Lesley Douglas on Broadcasting

American TV, yes. American radio, no. Unless it's Bob Dylan...
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I must admit I didn't see it coming myself at first. I'd seen a press release some time ago about Theme Time Radio Hour, Bob Dylan's show on the American satellite station XM, and thought it sounded interesting. But it was only when I noticed a buzz building around the shows in America that I went out and got hold of a couple and listened to them. What I heard blew me away. It was nothing short of public service broadcasting - Bob Dylan sharing his musical enthusiasms in a Bob Dylan way.

The result was the first buy-in of a radio show I have ever done. And it begs a question: could there be a whole raft of other audio gems out there in the world of English-language broadcasting waiting to be snapped up by British radio stations?

Look at the television schedules. Most of the programmes made by HBO are fantastic, although I'm the only woman I know of my age who didn't watch Sex and the City. My favourite comedy of all time is Frasier - and the Golden Girls when I was younger. And then there's The Simpsons, which most people would acknowledge as the top animation show ever.

When the Americans get it right, they get it very, very right and they can test your own standards. Let's face it, there's not exactly a massive cultural divide between America and the UK.

But there is a difference between radio and television. The nature of radio is about that special one-to-one relationship between the listener and the presenter, who should be able to provide reference points that the audience can relate to. Bob Dylan manages that perfectly.

When you are considering a buy-in for radio you are talking about America or Australia to get English-speaking programmes. And I'm afraid that for quite a long time American radio has been in the doldrums.

I do think that XM and the other satellite broadcaster, Sirius, are doing some quite interesting things in the States, and when I have been in America I have been listening to them. The problem is, the things that they are doing are actually the sort of things we are already doing. They have got a Sixties service on XM and a lot of the music they play you wouldn't hear anywhere else. Except on Sounds of the Sixties on Radio 2.

The one presenter who has always stood out in America is Howard Stern. But nowadays I'm not so sure about him. I know he has got this considerable satellite deal with Sirius but in my view he is pushing it too far now. In his heyday he was a radio genius, the ultimate shock jock. But would I ever think of taking Howard Stern into Radio 2? No, I would not.

I was listening to him when I went to Austin, Texas, for the South by Southwest Music Festival. I thought to myself "This sounds old-fashioned. It's purely shock." There was a time when Howard Stern was witty and shocking and pushing the boundaries. Now it feels like all he's doing is pushing the boundaries. And he's pushing them further and further and further.

And as for Australian radio, I've heard little bits but I don't think there's anything that would enhance what we already do.

Of course, you can't deny the influence of America on the growth of popular music and we cover it in great depth. Americans come here to work. Paul Gambaccini is the best example of a great music broadcaster and musicologist who happens to be American and brings an American slant to things. We also regularly use big American names to front documentaries and other shows. Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp and Val Kilmer have hosted shows for Radio 2. Kris Kristofferson is working on a programme about Willie Nelson, and Michael Buble is doing a show for us at Christmas.

But in all honesty I think there's little scope for us to do more buy-ins from overseas. The real reason is that we have, I think, the greatest craft skills here in the UK, both in terms of production and presenters.

The only possible reason for bringing in programmes is that they enhance your output, and the Bob Dylan show is the only thing I have ever heard that would do that.

Lesley Douglas is controller of Radio 2 and 6 Music

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