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David Cameron: I'll pull the plug on Brown

He's miles ahead in the polls, and is set to score handsomely in next month's elections. This time next year, the Conservative leader can expect to be Prime Minister. Except that he knows he can afford to take nothing for granted

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'It's a big thing to change your government, to throw out the lot that you've got at the moment,' says Cameron

David Cameron's bicycle, his prized possession, was stolen from outside his home in west London last Wednesday. The shiny silver and black Scott bike was there shortly after 8am, securely locked to the railings. Minutes later it disappeared. Nicked in an audacious raid, from practically right under his nose.

To the Tory leader and his party, this must be what waiting for power is like.

As it stands, Gordon Brown's Government is reeling from setback after setback. The Prime Minister's authority appears to be draining away. He is openly ridiculed by members of his own Cabinet, his expenses claim left open to question, his Government's policy dictated to a minister by Joanna Lumley, the economy trapped in recession.

To Mr Cameron, the glittering prize of election victory must seem safe, locked in place, despite his protestations of "no room for complacency". This is what all the polls suggest. But the risk is, as Mr Cameron witnessed as a young Tory adviser in 1992 when Labour seemed on course to win, that victory can be snatched away.

The day after the bike theft, I join Mr Cameron for nine hours of campaigning for the 4 June local and European elections.

It is Thursday 7 May, and in exactly a year's time, if the polls are right and if Mr Brown is not ejected from office before then, Mr Cameron could be standing on the steps of 10 Downing Street having overnight brought to an end 13 years of Labour government. I point out the date to the Tory leader as we sit in the back of his car, travelling between picturesque towns in Derbyshire, one of the county councils the Tories hope to win from Labour next month.

Mr Cameron, taking an opportunity to grab lunch between campaign visits, remains expressionless as he eats his BLT sandwich.

But, as it is widely expected that Mr Brown plans a 6 May election, this date must now be etched in his brain; he has probably already thought about the suit, and the words he hopes to use to launch his premiership.

Paraphrasing Boris Johnson, I ask whether he accepts there will be voters, on 6 May 2010, whose pencils will hover over the Conservative name on the ballot paper because they are not yet convinced by his Tory party, by what he offers as prime minister.

"Of course, of course," Mr Cameron says. "You have an enormous task in opposition to convince people. It's a big thing to change your government, to throw out the lot that you've got at the moment. It's a very big thing you're asking." But, he claims, the Tory party is already "demonstrating that we have a strong team, it's a united team, it's got a lot of talent in it, strengthened by the arrival of Ken Clarke".

"There is never one moment when the deal is sealed, the bargain is struck. You've got to convince people all the time that yes, we are the right people to bring the changes you want to see, but also yes, we will be strong, united, dedicated, and work hard, and be responsible, and you've got to go on convincing people of that. I accept there's always more to be done.

"And there really isn't any complacency by my office, me, the top team. We know what a big ask it is to win an election when you start with only 190 or so MPs; it's an enormous ask. But I think we are ready to give that service, and people want it."

His reference to serving sounds a little Blairite, and it is easy to make comparisons between Mr Cameron today and the Tony Blair who appeared effortlessly to charm voters in 1997. In fact, on several occasions, from the moment we board the train at St Pancras to arriving back in London shortly after 8pm, members of the public spontaneously approach him with open warmth, which is reciprocated.

On the homeward journey, he invites a young Indian woman, fighting the closure of her centre against forced marriages, to sit down next to him for a five-minute chat. Later a young man, his arm in a sling, approaches to wish him luck. I start to wonder whether I should demand they prove they are not party workers hired from Central Office. This enthusiasm from strangers must be what it was like for Mr Blair before people turned against him over Iraq.

There is, however, one point during the day when Mr Cameron is greeted with dissent. Leaving a school in Nottinghamshire, his car sweeps past a one-woman protest at the side of the road. Her placard reads: "No state funeral for Margaret Thatcher or Boris Johnson", but he pretends to ignore it.

The Tory leader says he wants to engage with people, one by one, in train seats or marginal seats. If Mr Cameron wins in a year's time, he will find himself in a bubble of security and officials, and this easy contact will be gone.

Mr Cameron sees last year's Crewe and Nantwich by-election as a landmark, when traditional Labour voters, who had never even voted for Margaret Thatcher, switched straight to the Conservatives. But in September, Lehman Brothers collapsed and the economy crashed, and those voters began to drift back to Labour. They are returning once again to the Tories, he believes, but slowly. Their pencils are still hovering.

As part of the day's campaigning, Mr Cameron will attend his 30th "Cameron Direct" – his version of a town hall Q&A – where any voters and any questions are invited. By polling day, he says, he will have visited 100 of the most marginal seats.

Despite this relentless schedule, Mr Cameron, and his wife Samantha, remain grieving parents. After their eldest son Ivan died in February, Mr Cameron took two weeks off work. The Camerons comforted each other as a family, but the Tory leader also found solace by gardening at their home in Oxfordshire. He boasts about the orderly rows of broad beans and parsnips he is growing, but also, scattered haphazardly, are the first shoots of carrots, the work of Nancy, five.

At the Cameron Direct session later, he is asked about special needs provision in schools, and he refers to Ivan. Later that evening, he will join Samantha at a fundraising event for the Special Yoga Centre in north-west London, which helped their son.

On the day that Ivan died, a Wednesday, Mr Brown paid a touching tribute to the six-year-old before Prime Minister's Questions was suspended. When Mr Cameron returned to the Commons cockpit, there seemed to be a new understanding and respect between the two leaders.

Yet, 24 hours before the Derbyshire visit, the Commons chamber rang with Tory jeers as Mr Brown was the subject of relentless and personal attacks by Mr Cameron and his backbench MPs. It was painful to watch. I ask Mr Cameron whether he is concerned of a perception that he comes across as a "public school bully", but the Old Etonian disagrees.

"I profoundly believe this country is facing a completely wasted year under a Prime Minister who, for whatever reason, has lost political authority, moral authority and has also run out of money, and leaves a disastrous economic legacy.

"I have been frustrated that we have got to have this wasted year. If my frustration occasionally surfaces at Prime Minister's Questions, then that's life, that's how I feel.

"I think people expect a robust exchange at Prime Minister's Questions, particularly when the country has been left with this appalling debt hangover by a government that now everyone can see has been absolutely incompetent on an absolutely massive scale. They don't expect us to take teacups and talk about it in a reasonable way. I think the Labour Government has behaved in a very unreasonable way, and I don't apologise for letting my passion about this show."

Mr Cameron laughs at the idea that Mr Brown is a victim of bullying by comparing his press secretary to the No 10 spin doctor who resigned over attempts to smear the Tory leader.

"Look at the people who I employ and the people he employs. Let's have a line-up; let's have a compare and contrast between, you know, Gabby Bertin and Damian McBride."

This is disingenuous, because while Ms Bertin is well liked by journalists, he fails to mention Andy Coulson, his hard-nosed director of communications. Mr Coulson is back at Tory HQ overseeing the Tory response to the Gurkha story. As we speak, chaotic scenes are unfolding at 4 Millbank between Joanna Lumley and the immigration minister, Phil Woolas.

In the market towns of the east Midlands, this farcical turbulence of the Westminster village seems thousands of miles away. But, in the Commons next month, Mr Cameron has the potential to bring down the Government over the part-privatisation of Royal Mail. There could be as many as 120 Labour rebels against the Bill, forcing Mr Brown to rely on Tory votes.

Mr Cameron stops short of giving a cast-iron guarantee that his party will back the Government and rescue the Prime Minister, suggesting that any compromises inserted into the Bill to appease the rebels will lose Tory support. Asked to offer the guarantee, he says: "Yes, as long as the Government doesn't do something crazy and change its mind and do a U-turn. We support part-privatisation of the Post Office... So as long as they don't do something crazy and suddenly change their plans, and as long as they answer reasonable questions about the structures of what they are putting in place, and as long as they are reasonable about how much time the House of Commons has to debate and discuss this."

Mr Cameron says it is not a case of rescuing the Government, but voting for legislation that he thinks is right. "You are not going to bring the Government down over this. You are going to bring the Government down if there's an issue of confidence."

The Tory leader is also determined to push ahead, after the 4 June elections, with his controversial commitment to withdraw from the European People's Party of Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel and form a new Eurosceptic grouping which will include the Polish PiS party, one of whose members views homosexuality as the "downfall of civilisation".

He insists the Tories want to remain members of the EU and support free trade and co-operation between nation states.

But he adds: "We think Europe needs to change its agenda from being obsessed with institutional reform and endlessly taking further powers unto itself. I think actually forming a group of like-minded parties across Europe that share the elements of this agenda is a sensible thing to do."

President Sarkozy and Chancellor Merkel "understand" his position, Mr Cameron claims, and that the Conservative Party and its new grouping will be "good neighbours rather than unhappy tenants" of the EPP.

I ask whether "like-minded people" includes a party that is anti-gay rights. He says: "Of course, in any group, you may not agree with all your partners about everything. But the key thing is on the issue of the shape and development of the European Union."

The Cameron Direct event is held at Carlton le Willows school, in the Nottinghamshire constituency of Gedling, 91st on the Tory target list with a Labour majority of 3,811.

From the audience of 150, Mr Cameron spends an hour taking questions dominated by the economy but including fossil fuels, education and MPs' expenses. It is a few hours before news breaks that The Daily Telegraph has the detail of every expense claim by every MP, but here it is already a huge issue. Mr Cameron reassures them that "MPs should be scrutinised" and "be held accountable". Later, as the train pulls in to St Pancras, the Telegraph story is emerging. I don't detect any hint that there are Tory scandals about to break, but he is clearly practised in giving little away.

In future, the Tory leader's new bicycle will not be left outside chained to the railings. But with the likely date of the election a year away, there is always the chance that victory could be snatched from him.

Cameron's path to the top

1966 David William Duncan Cameron born in London.

1979-84 Attends Eton.

1985-88 Studies politics, philosophy and economics at Brasenose College, Oxford. Belongs to the notoriously exclusive and hard-partying Bullingdon Club.

1988-92 Works at Conservative Research Department.

1992 Adviser to John Major on election campaign.

1992-93 Special adviser to Chancellor Norman Lamont.

1993-94 Special adviser to Home Secretary Michael Howard.

1994-2001 Works at Carlton Communications.

2001 Elected MP for Witney.

2005 Elected Conservative leader. Refuses to deny dabbling with drugs as a student.

July 2006 Delivers his "hug a hoodie" speech, repositioning party's stance on law and order.

October 2007 Impresses conference with a passionate speech without notes. Subsequent poll rise is a factor in Gordon Brown's opting against a snap election.

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(no subject) - [info] - Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 12:41 am (UTC)
Re: So still no policies
[info]mike4626 wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 05:57 am (UTC)
I am amazed the disgraced Coulson is back with Cameron it makes me question his integrity
Re: So still no policies - [info]richleau - Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 07:52 pm (UTC) Expand
So, he is the best man for job
[info]mackname wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 01:43 am (UTC)

I have a feeling that his pushbike will be return to him soon, for that's all we can afford to pay him for his transformation to 'recovery'.
TALK IS CHEAP ACTIONS SPEAK.!
[info]fantazamaraz wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 02:14 am (UTC)


Enough of the political spin

hoorah hooray yes you may win

so if and when labour is smitten

howyergonna fix broken britain ?

everyone says at the end of the day

they'll do some magic in their own way

with magic wand you can restore ?

hey guess what...wev'e heard it before

the voters are under great duress

the uk is in a mighty big mess

if you don't find a fast solution

there might well be a revolution

whatever your plan it better be good

to restore our pride and nationhood

it's very easy to get elected

then later to get rejected

if you don't get the job done

the BNP will be the next one.!
The Army must prepare for Office, Martial Law is the only solution.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 05:01 am (UTC)
The current government must be dissolved immediately; the Army must take control and prepare for office; until the time is right to elect a clean and honourable body to run the affairs of the country.

Sadly it is now a choice of "Martial Law" or "No Law"; Britain is fast descending into a lawless state.

The streets are full of crime; the bankers are looting with glee; the police is unaccountable; the elected politicians have their snouts in the trough so deep that can't see what is in front of them; property is in freefall; criminals are being rewarded for looting.

The Army must step in ; before it is too late; then there will be nothing to defend.

Capital Punishment must be reinstated to stop the "Looting of State Funds".
Re: The Army must prepare for Office, Martial Law is the only solution.
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 06:02 am (UTC)
Sorry to be the one to tell, but although self-respecting banana republics can usually rely on the military to intervene when government becomes seriously dysfunctional (and goodness knows blatcherist governments have been enemises of the State and people for three decades), in our very own br, the military is officered by chinless jolly good chaps who don't do that kind of thing don't y'know.
VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE IN BROWN NEEDED NOW:
[info]bgarvie wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 05:43 am (UTC)
A Parliamentary vote of 'No Confidence' in Brown as PM is urgently required. Followed by a General Elewction.
a "glittering prize" for a slippery toff
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 05:55 am (UTC)
for winning a beauty contest, the judge of which is an unholy alliance of organised economic crime syndicates and the monstrous regiments of part-time parenting, planet busting, gluttonously consuming (anything and everyting in sight) wimmin who have always been Blatcherism's power base
[info]rickraider wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 07:02 am (UTC)
This cronyblatcher is a seriously disturbed individual as he/she appears to be unable to distinguish fact from fantasy. Courting a split personality of Blair and Thatcher says it all, these 2 politicians could not have been further apart despite Blair's window dressing to gain office. It is easy to see the difference now in hindisght one liberating the British economy and its people from the clutches of unproductive trade unionism the other intent on spending all the money on madcap Big Brother schemes and ludicrous public expenditure. One emphasised good housekeeping the other told us to borrow, borrow, borrow, so they could spend, spend, spend.
It is rather revealing in the last schizoid post by cronyblatcher "a glittering prize" his/her left wing nastiness emerges with the class war claim "toff". Why so bitter against a man who has yet to govern? Toff in the way implied is a discriminatory term akin to racism picking on someone because of their birth is just as bad. Cameron may turn out to be good or bad, but at least give him a chance he cannot be worse than the self-serving luddites currently sinking the good ship SS Great Britain. Corny or sorry it is Crony I would recommend you see your doctor before you morph into a Clingan - no not from Star Trek!
yes dear
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 07:23 am (UTC)
fortunately you need not take my word for it - research Thatcher's disclosure that the blatcherist Blair government was her greatest achievement.
Here's another (of many) corroboration of the fact.
http://www.socialaffairsunit.org.uk/blog/archives/000528.php

Oh, and about your "lfet wing nastiness" if you were not a new recruit you would be aware of how silly such a descriptor is, applied to an ID that is quite diferently characterised in this space and others - being for example banned from Gruanaid and BBC (and Murdoch's meeja) space for suppirting the concept of a needed military coup with a vote for the BNP as second best fallback position
no difference - [info]someofusknow - Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 08:32 am (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]bowesy - Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 08:35 am (UTC) Expand
HOW WILL THIS CHANGE ANYTHING?
[info]wellington1815 wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 07:37 am (UTC)
OK,how will voting Consevative at the next election change anything?They,the Cons, should be rebranded the Selfserving party and should form an alliance with Nu lab and the Dim wits.How will changing one set of PC,theiving,liars with another set of PC,theiving,liars and crooks change anything?Cameron relies on his not being Brown and the usual `useful idiots` of the media to move him into power.Remember 1997 and that Blair creature.Voting Cameron will be just the same.It will be voting for another smiley faced,vacious,airhead.Not only that,you can be sure the outcome will be the same as Blair/Brown.In just a few years almost everyone will screaming to be rid of him also.I want real change in so many aspects of our society.Cameron offers nothing new,but more of the same.
Pregnant silence
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 07:47 am (UTC)
from the slippery toff who (as you perceptively commented, in the mould of WonderTone) doesn't face people able to flay him alive in public. Encounters of their kind with citizens are part of a carefully stage managed meeja circus
Army was ready to take over during Wilson era
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 07:49 am (UTC)
The Army was preparing for office in 1966 during the Wilson rule !

Why is the army not prepaing to take office now , when we need it most.

Enough is enough; we can only be shafted for so long; the end is nigh.

Alas.
Re: Army was ready to take over during Wilson era
[info]andrea_2 wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 01:43 pm (UTC)
If you trust the army you must be out of your tiny mind.
down the drain
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 08:07 am (UTC)
'1985-88 Studies politics, philosophy and economics'.

How can anyone suffering from such a severe handicap ever make a good leader?

'Studies politics, philosophy and economics' tells us quite clearly that Cameron is yet another old-school 'clown' who is completely disconected from reality, only capable of delivering more of the same dysfunctional policies that have created the current mess.

If the British economy has not completely disappeared down the drain by mid-2010, Cameron will ensure that it does by the end of that year.
Re: down the drain
[info]dogsolitude_v2 wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 01:33 pm (UTC)
Are all those who study politics, philosophy and economics old-school 'clown's who are completely disconnected from reality?

What 'should' he have studied?

IT? Media Studies? Art History? Astrophysics? Music Technology? Archaeology? Management?
Re: down the drain - [info]media_myths - Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 05:09 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: down the drain - [info]stanstanstan7 - Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 08:31 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: down the drain - [info]someofusknow - Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 11:08 pm (UTC) Expand
The truth...abolished is it??
[info]borderreiver1 wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 08:22 am (UTC)
When are politicians going to have the backbone, to give it straight to the public whats really going on.
Over the last twenty years especially,we have seen a transference of wealth,and manufacturing power to the east.THIS is what really lies at the heart of Britain's problems.
No government has had the courage to address the fact that we all expect our standard of living to consistently improve,or at least stay the same,when really it should be decreasing as a reflection of how Britain's ability to produce has fallen.
No amount of 'fiddling about' using the square mile,inflated asset prices,tax receipts from the dwindling oil supply, or a phony consumer/service wealth creating platform, was ever going to mask indefinitely what is a serious structural problem with the UK production base.
All Nu Labour have done is continue what Thatcher and co found to be a temporary winning formula to make the public feel well off-unfortunately for Labour its all fell apart at the seams because of the world downturn-it could well have been a Tory government overseeing the financial carnage.
I doubt if the well presented Mr Cameron and company will be able-or willing to change things very much,as they will be stymied by the huge debts Brown has built up in order to ensure his colleagues continued feeding turn at the trough.The options seem grim-massive spending cuts,or much higher taxation in an already tax saturated system.
I don't believe for one minute, that any of these so called politicians are representative of average Joe public-otherwise we would not have the crime levels we have,or have taxpayers money spent on wasteful foreign military campaigns,or for that matter a health service that seems to have a cancer treatment programme like that of a third world country-whilst being available for the treatment of drunks,drug addicts,cosmetic hang-ups,non contributors,and multiple baby breeders for a few.
Or how about the bizarre system of social security??
How sick,and inverted is a system that appears to have a tenet of 'the more you pay in-the less you get' at its core?
I could show you countless families in my area-say a couple with two little kids, who have not worked for ten years, in a far stronger financial position than their neighbours,
who consist of two full time working adults with no kids.
And I take it this sort of thing is sustainable? and are YOU going to address this sort of absurdity Mr Cameron?
And just a final thought in lieu of the apparent bull market that going on.
What happens when the eventual world financial recovery starts in earnest,and the likes of Germany,Japan,China,India commence production,and the price of crude oil goes back up to $150 a barrel?
What happens then to the probable weakling recovery in the UK?
"this is what really lies at the heart of Britain's problems" - not
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 08:45 am (UTC)
Such shifts of unskilled and semi-skilled manufacturing work are inevitable. The final stage (of a three decade process) of Britain's degradation to the status of banana republic with a de-skilled population and without any customers for its bananas, is that misgovernment, instead of reskilling the population, allied itself with orgnaiosed economic crime syndicates already in positions of inappropriate influence thanks to Thatcher, and turned Britain into a European ofshore Hong Kong - a den of traffickers, money launderers, and mercenaries, that for example Enron turned to (in the form of RBS) do money laundering that counterarts in 'Murka wouldn't touch because of the threat of draconian jail sentences.
The depth and breadth of the cronycapitalst disease is shown by the fact that both the goons in government and the slippery toff led alternatrive gang, *will not* divert resources on a the necessary massive scale, away from corporate welfare and the propping up of dead wood, into education, education, education - and infratsructural projects - necessary for recovery (now that our natural resources and most of the family silver have been looted with the help of subversive anti-socials in high office, who unlike Chaves and Hussain , subversively held out their personal pension plan begging bowls instead of putting up a stiff fight
A handwritten receipt also showed that she had claimed for an 85p bath plug. A PLUG!!!!!
[info]famulla wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 08:23 am (UTC)
David Cameron: I'll pull the plug on Brown. A handwritten receipt also showed that she had claimed for an 85p bath plug. A PLUG!!!!!
Mr. Cameron. When I can shoot a bird with the peanut, I do not go for the .22
The Tory leader says he wants to engage with people, one by one, in train seats or marginal seats. If Mr Cameron wins in a year's time, he will find himself in a bubble of security and officials, and this easy contact will be gone.
They revealed that Ms Smith had used Commons expenses to reclaim the cost of two pornographic films watched by her husband as part of a £67 Virgin media bill. A handwritten receipt also showed that she had claimed for an 85p bath plug. A PLUG!!!!!! Harriet Harman today insisted that there were ?no circumstances? in which she would run for the Labour leadership, even if the Prime Minister were to go. David Cameron holds Gordon Brown?s political life in his hands after the Prime Minister?s decision to risk a Commons defeat over the Royal Mail sell-off next month, senior government figures believe. Easy access to buy-to-let mortgages over the past decade has meant that the number of private landlords has risen to about one million in England and Wales, and ministers are worried that a growing number of unscrupulous property owners are exploiting tenants. All private landlords would have to be registered before letting residential property under government plans to curb abuses in the growing rental market, David Cameron and George Osborne are now well ahead as the better team, on 42 per cent. This compares with 35 per cent on Budget night itself. The Tory team is, however, still slightly below its 45 per cent rating on the weekend before the Budget David Cameron holds Gordon Brown?s political life in his hands after the Prime Minister?s decision to risk a Commons defeat over the Royal Mail sell-off next month, senior government figures believe. Downing Street insisted last night that Mr Brown was determined to press ahead, despite weekend reports that he was preparing to shelve reforms championed by Lord Mandelson, the Business Secretary.
Promises seem to grow on the trees daily.
Will you stop this tomorrow; I mean the theft or do we wait until we are dry totally?
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla.
Nothing at all in his CV to recommend him
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 08:42 am (UTC)
So we see he was 'special advisor' to Norman Lamont - remind me how good he was as Chancellor, with Sterling's collapse out of the ERM? - and to Michael Howard - previously responsible for the Poll Tax. A very fine experience to have for a politician in his formative years. Maybe he learnt from negative example. Now he is trying to adopt any kind of chameleon hue he can muster - green, pink, blue etc. - to try to get into power.

I ask anyone here thinking of voting Conservative: Do any of you really know what he stands for and what his programme for government is? Let me know, because so far, there aren't really any policies and those there are are totally inconsistent and change according to the day of the week or the state of the political weather.
Re: Nothing at all in his CV to recommend him
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 08:57 am (UTC)
Plenty where it counts - among those looking at you over his shoulder who select the next top job holder, to whom the primary qualification is demonstrated ability to be as slippery a professional oportunist as Blair - a quality evidently lacked by Brown

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/healthy-living/how-happy-are-your-children-1680097.html
bankers or w.......s wastrels
[info]royhaines wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 09:53 am (UTC)
The ONLY person who started this malaise in personal politics was? Look up peterellwood.
Nuf said?
[info]nullius123 wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 09:58 am (UTC)
If there is ever another occasion when a Prime Minister resigns mid-term, we can be sure that his or her successor will go to the country right away - whatever the time of year. GB must kick himself every day for his procrastination in 2007, just as Callahan regretted his delaying in 1978. John Major is the (modern) exception, but he did have a successful war behind him.

But what this really shows is that we need some electoral reform in this country. Why must we persist with this antiquated system, in which one party gets to rule with a minority of the public's support, only to be replaced 10 or 15 years later by their opponents when they collapse with moral exhaustion. No wonder we hold politicians in such contempt. No other country in the world would choose our system.
Where are the policies?
[info]mark4210 wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 10:23 am (UTC)
We might as elect Simon Cowell as we know as much his policy detail as Cameron and the Conservatives.

There is no substance in this article more poor journalism from the Indy. Where were the questions about opposing MPs not taking second jobs and two years ago calling for lighter regulation of the Financial sector.
Re: Where are the policies?
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 11:00 am (UTC)
There aren't any. The organised political gang led by the slippery toff showed us a glimpse of its true colours, by elevating a slippery opportunist to the gang leader's job while relegating Davis (who resigned as a matter of principle about the rise and rise of the snooper State) to the role of insignifacant back seat snout.

A genuine 'opposition' would brandish not ignore research findings like the following:

http://uc.princeton.edu/main/images/stories/podcast/20090305SpiritLevelRSA.mp3

A self-serving gang of snouts tellingly, does
Nuff said ? familiy familliar sliver silver
[info]royhaines wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 10:24 am (UTC)
Margaret Thatcher started this avarisious selling the familiar silver and gold for short term gain/. SHE and only SHE took the "Old Fashioned" Trustee Savings Banks and took one thing which "nobody owned" took them - took their fine example of public servitude and prostituded them on the alter of "my menopause" will make people suffer.
Lest you wonder about the cause of the banking crisis let you look up "peterellwood.com"
the avaricious self masturbatory of his mind/intellect (oops sorry. did I say intellect - this "mind" said I wasted my money by seeing John Wood at the RSC).
Peter Ellwood was an importee designed by Maggie to engender a "feeel good" factor.
Sorry! Did I say that when I WAS at the RSC (Stratford) I sat, side of, Michael Foot, no donkey here3 times nonsense, IF "our" Gordon was able to have one ounce of the fine intelligencia of his preceps then parliament would happen to be a better place
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 11:11 am (UTC)
We have heard them all before !

We have seen them all before !

How many many more lies will we hear ?

Gosh, we must be stupid to believe yet more lies !

The only solution seems to either have a theocracy or a dictatorship or perhaps a combination of both; in which case we can use the Dictatorship to execute those who fall foul of the Theocracy; at least we won't have liars ruling the roost and greedy pigs honking nonsense at us.
[info]andrea_2 wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 01:46 pm (UTC)
What sort of human being wants a dictstorship? Besides the dictator himself, of course.

I am a peace loving person but I would quite happily supprt a civil war to bring down a dictator and as for a theocracy, a living hell on earth. The religious in charge of us. Nightmare.
Another catamite of Washington
[info]triffid2009 wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 12:38 pm (UTC)
'The shiny silver and black Scott bike '
Any chance of buying British David? Or are you in Murdoch's pay like Blair, Thatcher, Brown etc.?
Cameron's CV
[info]rhinocircus wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 12:50 pm (UTC)
Cameron's Curriculum Vitae, indicates that, he has not had a real job, but has been "groomed" to lead-- a man of the people, he is not.
A vote for this unashamed elitist will be a custard pie in your face.
Yet, I do admire the gentleman's audacity--he hands you the custard pie and you put your face in it.
It is time perhaps, for the richest Britons to have their turn at the fairground's Dodgem wheel.
[info]mickey_modster wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 01:40 pm (UTC)
If the country has been so run down, that a smug bastard like Cameron could end up being it's PM, then Gordon Brown should be hung for high treason
The hopeless pendulum
[info]rjd8 wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 01:52 pm (UTC)
Could somebody please explain why this country's voters and media can only imagine either a centre-right Labour Party or a centre-right Tory party in power? Does this country so lack any imagination and courage that this is the best they can do for change? Why are British minds so ossified in the Labour/Tory pendulum? Going back to the Tories after New Labour is like falling into the arms of the thug who set you up for the sucker punch that was delivered by his mate. The failure of the Lib Dems to widen the media's and public's vision to include them as contenders is probably as big a political failure as Labour is currently experiencing.
Where do they conduct these polls?
[info]andrea_2 wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 02:07 pm (UTC)
I have always voted Labour but I won't be doing so in the future, but I won't be voting Conservative either. Most life long Labour voters I know, who are unhappy with this government, might be planning to change their vote but they're certainly not planning to change it to Tory. The present government might be dire but the Conservative governments that went before it were just as bad if not worst. There was just as much sleaze then (brown paper envelopes anyone?) and present Tory MPs have been shown to be milking the system just as much as Labour MPs and Ministers.

Nothing David Cameron has said or done has inspired me in any way and I have no intention of helping him to number 10. I also know my local Conservative candidate personally and I'd rather vote for a chimp.
Re: Where do they conduct these polls?
[info]rickraider wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 05:15 pm (UTC)
Oh well at least you have finally found out that socialism is an evil ideology that wrecks peoples lives, generations lives and is designed to take away as much of our liberties and rights that they can get away with. It is all about control for them and they find it very irritating working in a so called democracy. I hope you find a better voting solution unfortunately none of the top 3 appeal to me.
scotland wont vote tory
[info]britfree wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 02:50 pm (UTC)
tory or labour ? chicken or horse manure ? so metropolitan you cant see anything north of the blue boar . the britain you wiitter on about means so little up here , we have to have the propagandist B B C increasingly ,desperately humming rule brittania in our sweaty ears day and night . if the british secret police will just desist from frauding our elections , we will be voting S N P .anti illegal war , the anti nuclear , anti i d card , wave and wind powered S N P . best of luck with the tories. B T W
Cameron
[info]hidflect wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 06:13 pm (UTC)
I'm a bit conflicted about Cameron. As a Tory I expect his filiality is to Corporations and the landed, entitled wealthy but I got an email response from him once that even this ex-PR flack found to be quite touching and sincere...
Re: Cameron
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 09:48 pm (UTC)
His former Oxford tutor Vernon Bogdanor recently called his proposal to replace a the human rights act with a bill of rights: "Filled with contradictions. There are one or two good things in it but one glimpses them, as it were, through a mist of misunderstanding".

There you have it. He is undoubtedly an intelligent man, but a confused one. And who wouldn't be under his circumstances? The whole Conservative Party ethos is based on how the free market and deregulation is the only hope for society, and yet that has just shown how it can backfire horribly. He is in an intellectual no-man's land, without any guiding star, fixed beliefs or analysis of what has gone wrong and how it can be sorted out.

Try voting Lib Dem instead. At least Vince Cable knows what he's talking about. They're a lot more consistent than the Tories on most issues, actually care about the environment (rather than just putting a green gloss on things like the Tories) and have Nick Clegg, who is at least as nice as Cameron without the arrogant toff cliquery.
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