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Has science found the cause of ME?

Breakthrough offers hope to millions of sufferers around the world

By Steve Connor, Science Editor

Scientists say they have made a dramatic breakthrough in understanding the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome – a debilitating condition affecting 250,000 people in Britain which for decades has defied a rational medical explanation.

The researchers have discovered a strong link between chronic fatigue syndrome, which is sometimes known as ME or myalgic encephalomyelitis, and an obscure retrovirus related to a group of viruses found to infect mice.

Although the published data falls short of proving a definitive cause-and-effect, one of the scientists behind the study said last night that she was confident that further unpublished data she had gathered over the past few weeks implicated the retrovirus as an important and perhaps sole cause of the condition.

Chronic fatigue syndrome has blighted the lives of an estimated 17 million people worldwide because its symptoms, long-term tiredness and aching limbs, do not go away with sleep or rest. Famous sufferers have included the author and yachtswoman Clare Francis, the film director Lord Puttnam, the pop singer Suzanne Shaw and the Labour politician Yvette Cooper, who has made a full recovery.

The condition initially generated much controversy in the 1980s, when it was known as "yuppie flu", because some medical authorities even doubted whether it was a genuine physical illness. In the absence of a proven cause, many scientists have questioned whether there could ever be one reason behind so many different symptoms, so the latest research showing a strong link to a single virus has generated intense excitement among experts.

The study, published in the journal Science, shows that the virus, called murine leukaemia virus-related virus (XMRV), was found in 68 of 101 patients from around the US with chronic fatigue syndrome. This compared with just eight of 218 healthy "controls" drawn at random from the same parts of the US, the scientists said.

But the senior author of the study, Judy Mikovits, director of research at the Whittemore Peterson Institute in Reno, Nevada, said further blood tests have revealed that more than 95 per cent of patients with the syndrome have antibodies to the virus – indicating they have been infected with XMRV, which can lie dormant within a patient's DNA. "With those numbers, I would say, yes we've found the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome. We also have data showing that the virus attacks the human immune system," said Dr Mikovits. She is testing a further 500 blood samples gathered from chronic fatigue patients diagnosed in London. "The same percentages are holding up," she said.

If the findings are replicated by other groups and the XMRV virus is accepted as a cause of chronic fatigue syndrome then it could be possible to treat patients with antivirals, just like treating HIV, or to develop a vaccine against the virus to protect people from developing the condition, said Dr Mikovits.

"We now have compelling proof that a retrovirus named XMRV is present in more than two-thirds of patient samples with chronic fatigue syndrome. This finding could be a major step in the discovery of vital treatment options for millions of patients," she said.

The genetic structure of the XMRV virus indicates that it has evolved from a similar virus found in wild field mice. Dr Mikovits suggested it could have jumped the "species barrier" from mouse to man like many other human viruses, such as HIV, another retrovirus, which is thought to have infected humans from monkeys or apes.

XMRV was originally found in men suffering from prostate cancer and it was this discovery that led Dr Mikovits and her collaborators at the US National Institutes of Health to test blood samples stored from patients with chronic fatigue syndrome. "The discovery of XMRV in two major diseases, prostate cancer and now chronic fatigue syndrome, is very exciting. If cause-and-effect is established, there would be a new opportunity for prevention and treatment of these diseases," said Professor Robert Silverman, of the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio, who worked on the fatigue syndrome study.

However, other researchers emphasised that the numbers published so far are too small to conclude anything about the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome. "It's spectacular but needs replication. And I hope that no one is thinking of prescribing anti-retrovirals on the basis of this," said Simon Wessely, professor of psychological medicine at King's College London. "It's very preliminary and there no evidence to say this is relevant to the vast majority of people in the UK with the condition."

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Good news.
[info]llienomot wrote:
Thursday, 8 October 2009 at 11:19 pm (UTC)
As a sufferer this is a rare and very welcome piece of good news.
Re: Good news.
[info]minamatania wrote:
Monday, 12 October 2009 at 11:15 am (UTC)
I think my response may have been lost whilst trying to Log In. Still, I like your brief comment. Also, the picture you have is one I know well. How did you come across that?
Hope CFS days are numbered.
Mina
More biological research now needed
[info]wntkno2 wrote:
Thursday, 8 October 2009 at 11:31 pm (UTC)
Hopefully, the Medical Research Council will now start funding biological research into the condition.

Up to now, it has approved no grants for any biological research into the condition. But has given millions to studies led by psychiatrists and psychologists who think all patients need to do is push themselves a bit more. These same psychiatrists and psychologists then ignore the numerous surveys that found that many patients have been made worse by pushing themselves. If their treatments were drugs, they'd have been taken off the market by now but unfortunately patients with ME or CFS who are told to exercise and then get worse don't have the safeguards that people who are prescribed drugs have.

Hopefully this will bring a sea change in research in the field in the UK and now more biological research will occur.
Simon Wessley - go away
[info]flopsyuk wrote:
Thursday, 8 October 2009 at 11:34 pm (UTC)
This is the time for Simon Wessley to walk away and shut the door. We don't want to see him ever again mentioned in relation to this disease.

Didn't he read the news - 500 blood samples from London are being tested and the figures are holding up.

We need the help of Virologists and Immunologists to test and treat people with ME and CFS in the UK.

No more fobbing off.

I have spent my entire adult life with this disease and I would like to have some illness free years before I eventually die.

The UK government and medical research council squandered millions chasing a psychological cause.

We would like to money back, and to spend it on treatment now.
Re: Simon Wessley - go away
[info]hardo_x wrote:
Sunday, 11 October 2009 at 12:46 pm (UTC)
He's not fobbing off, he's giving the scientifically responsible answer - this is exciting news, but we need to do a LOT more research so that, before prescribing potentially very harmful (not to mention crazy expensive) drugs, we can be sure (or as close as possible) that they're going to work.

Before this research, there was no evidence of CFS being a biological illness - there was speculation and anecdote, but no actual evidence. Even these small studies simply suggests that there may be, possibly, some sort of link between CFS and murine leukaemia virus-related virus - but you'll notice that 33 of 101 patients with CFS did not have the virus.

So saying "interesting, lets study this some more before changing our practices" is actually the best thing at the moment.
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Re: Simon Wessley - go away - [info]renethorpe - Monday, 12 October 2009 at 10:58 am (UTC) Expand
Thank you for publishing this article
[info]gentlejules wrote:
Thursday, 8 October 2009 at 11:43 pm (UTC)
Thank you for publishing this article. My chronic fatigue began with a flu like virus. I felt perfectly healthy one day and the next day I could hardly stand up. I have improved the condition through natural therapies and learned, through psychological therapy, to manage the condition. However the condition persists and is frustrating.
Re: Thank you for publishing this article
[info]amdurbin wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 10:12 pm (UTC)
that is interesting- it is possible that the flu virus activated the ME virus, which was latent- viruses can often interact this way, with one parasitizing the proteins produced by another..fascinating. Or perhaps the virus is transmissable from mice like hantavirus. I am sure this discovery is a great relief to those suffering from this disease, I am happy for you.
Re: Thank you for publishing this article - [info]gentlejules - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 11:12 pm (UTC) Expand
myalgic encaphmyolitis (m.e)
[info]bobbymcd wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 12:22 am (UTC)
i caught this ilness in spain,i had flu and the house was plagued by mice.Iv'e often wondered if they could have passed it on to me...had it for 15 yrs

robert11460@aol.co.uk
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Re: myyshop8888
[info]mikedd wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 02:47 am (UTC)
WTF is up with the myyshop8888 add above?

Anyways, I know as bad as things are in the U.S in regard to ME, the U.K seems even worse. That Wessley guys is a total moron.

This disease has so many consistent biological abnormalities across the ME/CFS population and they are continually being ignored.

Will these people ever listen!!!!

God Bless

Mike
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[info]crag2000 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 05:27 am (UTC)
Wessley, it is time for you to accept the truth and give up. Those of us with CFS and our families know it is real!

I have had CFS for 7 years this week and it has completely consumed my life. Many treatments commonly used to treat CFS just have not worked for me at all.

CBT made my condition much worse. Paced exercise is a real no no for me. And rest makes no difference at all.

Money put into the research has been very limited, mostly due to the political connections of Wessley, his partner and the labour party. I know. I worked in there, for my sins.

Thank you for your article, I look forward to reading more in the future, and hopefully the discovery of a treatment to help all of us manage or stop this terrible deliberating illness.

Craig
[info]simil_68 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 06:11 am (UTC)
I had glandular fever followed by ME. I got so fed up being dismissed by the regular medical people for 2 years I went to a homeopath. Very soon I was back to a life of vastly improved energy and concentration with a near-normal activity level (including squash and skiing). Whatever people think of homeopathy, my experience was great, and I strongly recommend it for physical and well as mental/emotional symptoms and ailments.
(no subject) - [info]brooksie1111 - Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 05:27 pm (UTC) Expand
It's in Simon's mind.
[info]billyoh wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 06:15 am (UTC)
I hope Simon Wessley burns in a hell of his own imagining.

I have lost 15 years to CFS and exhortations that CBT and graded exercise (which I have done in spades) have on more than one occassion pushed me to the edge. Should this work prove a biological cause I vote Simon is given a good dose of CFS for a year or so and then a cure.

What a pathetic scam to let millions suffer on a pretense.

Part of a larger issue?
[info]barrieredfern wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 06:45 am (UTC)
I wholeheartedly agree with comments made against Simon Wessley. His title says it all - professor of psychological medicine. Unfortunately there are a great many people like him who have held back the frontiers of modern research by dismissing findings and instead promoting psychological causes.
ME is one of a group of diseases given the "all in the mind" label. Another lesser known one, yet fast developing into a real problem, is nicknamed Morgellons otherwise known as a fibre disease. Unfortunate victims suffer small coloured fibres emerging from their bodies and intense itching and burning sensations - to name just a few. A constant in all cases seems to be black dots emerging on the surface from deep in the skin and development of co-infections, notably Lyme or Borrelia. Lyme is traditionally associated with bites from ticks found in woodland. However a great many "Morgellons" sufferers know they have not been infected from a tick bite. For this reason (there being no evidence - no trademark red mark) many doctors dismiss the disease as being imagined - despite being presented with a huge number of very real symptoms and physical evidence. The result is that the Borrelia infection is left untreated and patients go on to suffer all kinds of complications including heart palpitations, problems walking, deteriorating eyesight etc. As for the Morgellons co-infection forget it.

There are many hundreds of thousands of sufferers around the world including a famous pop singer and American baseball player. Their plight is very real yet dismissed by professors like Wessley. Whether there is viral link as in the case of ME is unknown - there might be. There is certainly some kind of bacterial and fungal association. As for possible vectors, mice (mentioned in this ME article) and possibly fleas or mites seem a viable source of infection. Whether there are any common links between all these modern day syndromes including Gulf War Syndrome is unknown but what is for sure is that doctors are being wrongly trained to dismiss such symptoms as psychological when physical and clinical evidence shows otherwise. And as a result researchers are being denied sufficient funding or in the case of Morgellons none at all.

Re: Part of a larger issue?
[info]wixamtree wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:10 am (UTC)
barrieredfern: excellent post. From my lifelong experience, some GPs look to their own speciality first when diagnosing, and this is especially true of those trained in psychology.
Re: Part of a larger issue? - [info]joanne60 - Saturday, 10 October 2009 at 08:47 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Part of a larger issue? - [info]barrieredfern - Saturday, 10 October 2009 at 12:59 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Part of a larger issue? - [info]joanne60 - Saturday, 10 October 2009 at 03:09 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Part of a larger issue? - [info]barrieredfern - Sunday, 11 October 2009 at 09:08 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Part of a larger issue? - [info]joanne60 - Sunday, 11 October 2009 at 12:28 pm (UTC) Expand
Lyme/Morgellons live radio/tv internet show - [info]barrieredfern - Sunday, 11 October 2009 at 04:10 pm (UTC) Expand
Watching with interest
[info]wolfstan wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 06:50 am (UTC)
If Judy Mikovits is right then it will be better than winning the lottery for our family and thousands of others.
Sandra
Faces in the sand
[info]humble_sparrow wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 06:57 am (UTC)
Don't know if ME really exists or not but if one looks long and hard enough one can always see faces in the sand.

Maybe if the rat race we exist in slowed down then chronic fatigue syndrome would not need to exist.
Re: Faces in the sand
[info]cfs_sufferer wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:19 am (UTC)
Faces in the sand....I defy you to live with this disease and then say that it's "faces in the sand" My pain is very very real, and so is my sadness.
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Re: Faces in the sand - [info]cfs_sufferer - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:26 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Faces in the sand - [info]jennyjenkinz - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 01:42 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Faces in the sand - [info]makeresponsible - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 11:41 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Faces in the sand - [info]angels_matrix - Saturday, 10 October 2009 at 12:23 am (UTC) Expand
Only in the first world
[info]crazylikeafox34 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 07:37 am (UTC)
If there is a pathological/virological cause for chronic fatigue syndrome then why is it not a condition that affects people in the third world. It is a psychosomatic condition often triggered by a normal episode of post viral fatigue.

It is virtually always the same personality types who suffer with it and it tends to go hand in hand with irritable bowel syndrome, depression, fybromyalgia and other psychosomatic conditions.

This doesn't make it any easier for people to live with but accepting that the 'cure' is likely to be CBT and SSRI/psychological treatment is the first step. Stop chasing rainbows!
Re: Only in the first world
[info]tesria wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:39 am (UTC)
Actually, it does exist in the Third World - where there are doctors to confirm it. Bear in mind, in many cases, the disease would not be recognised as "ME" or "CFS" over there so it doesn't get reported in the more remote areas.

Also, fibromyalgia is a rheumatic condition, I'm not sure why you think that should be included.

And I've tried SSRIs and CBT for my ME. It hasn't helped except to manage the depressed feeling that comes from being in my mid-twenties and effectively housebound (I was not depressed at the onset of this illness). I'm curious what "personality type" you think I must have. My specialist was telling me that most people he's come across with the illness have been otherwise healthy, extremely outgoing and energetic individuals who live life to the full until this disease stops them.
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Re: Only in the first world - [info]kittycath1 - Thursday, 15 October 2009 at 08:26 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Only in the first world - [info]kg001 - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 10:50 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Only in the first world - [info]pixiequeen10thk - Saturday, 10 October 2009 at 11:46 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Only in the first world - [info]foramgirl - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 12:54 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Only in the first world - [info]dustybun - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 11:09 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Only in the first world - [info]muso212 - Sunday, 11 October 2009 at 05:00 pm (UTC) Expand
Glorious news
[info]freedommonger wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 07:39 am (UTC)
My wife has suffered from ME for over 15 years, starting with glandular fever as seems to be a common trigger event for this disease.

In all this time I have become convinced this a sub-clinical virus. People who live with ME suffers can see what is happening. So today's news is simply overwhelmingly brilliant.

My wife has had all the CBT and other therapies. Some helped, some made it worse, most did nothing.

Today however I don't want to criticise the medical profession today for what were no doubt their best intentions but nonetheless failures of the past. Medicine doesn't always get it right but by god, it looks and I pray they have got it right now.

Lets not make perfect the enemy of good today. Lets be optimistic. Lets be happy!!

As all sufferers and their loved ones know, a cure for this disease will truly be life changing for many of us. Bring it on, as fast as we can, and lets start looking forwards.
NOW ALL WE NEED IS AN EXPENSIVE VACINE
[info]georgesign wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 07:40 am (UTC)
As soon as the drug industry has found a really expensive vaccine I'm sure it will be on the market. Of course there will be no side-effects.
Re: NOW ALL WE NEED IS AN EXPENSIVE VACINE
[info]freedommonger wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:09 am (UTC)
what a miserable comment to follow my preceding plea to look forwards.

many people whose lives have been blighted may be cured. yet you foretell costs and side effects. Is there a vaccine for your condition?
Re: NOW ALL WE NEED IS AN EXPENSIVE VACINE - [info]georgesign - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:30 am (UTC) Expand
Re: NOW ALL WE NEED IS AN EXPENSIVE VACINE - [info]freedommonger - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:43 am (UTC) Expand
Re: NOW ALL WE NEED IS AN EXPENSIVE VACINE - [info]georgesign - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:22 am (UTC) Expand
Re: NOW ALL WE NEED IS AN EXPENSIVE VACINE - [info]goldenmug - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 03:06 pm (UTC) Expand
Yeah! Yeah!
[info]soaring_eagle1 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:18 am (UTC)
More unsubstantiated guff!!!

Why do scientist blab before they have definitive results.

It makes me cringe when I see newspaper headlines Like 'Cure found for Common Cold' but nothing will be available for at least 10 years, why raise peoples hopes so cruelly.

Holistic and alternative treatments have been found to be good at relieving the symptoms I should know I use them and is some cases may have got rid of ME.

I think this is a virus that was released and tested on us without us knowing, and there have been too many questions asked, I believe it could be another side effect of over use of antibiotics

Personally I would take this news with a very large pinch of salt.

A healthy diet, gentle exercise and patience is the best cure for this malady
Re: Yeah! Yeah!
[info]carolineharrold wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:34 am (UTC)
What are your wild claims based on apart from hot air?
Re: Yeah! Yeah! - [info]nickpet - Monday, 12 October 2009 at 08:40 am (UTC) Expand
our increasing understanding...
[info]smarttog wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
Of genetics and mutating virus are leading us to realise that illnesses have a biological cause.

Hopefully this will lead to cures being found for some of our most resilient diseases.
Re: our increasing understanding...
[info]ripparoots wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 12:56 pm (UTC)
I thought that sparrow was looking at me funny this morning..... AGHHHHH run away and bury your head in the holistic sand dudes
Keep well and free
[info]kingofmumu wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:42 am (UTC)
ME and such illnesses are probably linked to Atom bomb testing, and the damage it did to DNA of animals and humans born after these tests. Luckily we (humans) are not that important in the Universal big picture. Nature will bury our mistakes and repair the damage. Research alternative medicine while you can and stay well away from pharmaceutical poisons. Keep well and free.
This is not all in the mind
[info]bushmillsman wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:48 am (UTC)
As sufferers and their families know ME/CSF is not some trick of the mind that just needs to be pushed in the right direction by a psychologist. It clearly has biolological roots and this research yet again supports that fact.

I was just another of those cynics who used to believe that it was all in the mind; I too commented loftily how strange it was that ME never seemed to effect anybody outside the monied middle class or people from the Third World ' because they were all too busy having to work for a living'. Well actually it does affect them, it's just not recognised because we aren't listened too properly.

My partner's son developed CSF 12 months ago and we have had to watch a bright, intelligent, gregarious and sports mad teenager turn into a shambling shadow of his former self. His dream of playing Centre for England was enough to drive him hard - so his inability to walk some days let alone run with a rugby ball is not in his head.

Enough of these comments that it's all about diet or positivity - sufferers do not need to eat more greens or get a grip. They are suffering from a biological condition that requires serious investment.
Re: This is not all in the mind
[info]mitchsmum wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 11:48 am (UTC)
If this illness was "all in the mind" the one person in the entire world who would never have been a candidate for it is my son. He has the most cheerful and optimistic character I have ever met in a 14 year old and even after a year of isolation, pain and exhaustion his bright smile and quiet determination is humbling to behold. As mentioned above, he strove for the best and he deserved it. His mind was always focused, bright and happy; its his body that became ill, not his mind.
Mr Wessley's views. Time to put your cards on the table.
[info]g1962 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:50 am (UTC)
I find it interesting that Wessley is so keen to keep ME "all in the mind", especially with a growing mass of evidence to suggest otherwise. I'd like to see his funding sources revealled, do they include other organisations reluctant to open their doors to new findings? I'm sure that behind closed doors there is more going on to douse the flame of truth than we actually know about.
Re: Mr Wessley's views. Time to put your cards on the table.
[info]crag2000 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:12 am (UTC)
You are right.
Look at who Wessley’s partner is and what she did for a living, who she worked for.

My understanding was that this all happened from a concern that the Phsyc community would lose out on funding/money should the labour party agree that the condition was classed as a physical and mental illness.

I know the Government were not happy when the world health organisation classified CFS as both.

I also know that the conclusions of the original CFS working group working for guidelines for NICE, were ignored so as to include both paced exercise and CBT. Much to the disgust of a number of the group. This ultimately led to a number of the group resigning.

It is a political mess.
MORE RESEARCH
[info]ch0c0cake wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:13 am (UTC)
I really hope that this transpires into something tangible. I was very saddened to read Simon Wesseley's comments at the bottom of the article and personally feel that the psychological explanation of ME/CFS is far from satisfactory.
My fiancée has had ME for 8 years now and it is such a horrible illness and it affects all aspects of both of our lives. However his experience motivated me to conduct some much needed research into the subject and I am now working on my PhD looking at the relationship ME/CFS, employment and Identity.
Please visit my website if you are interested in learning more about my research- I am interested in hearing from people both with ME/CFS and people that have RECOVERED from it. The website address is http://www.cfs-me-study.org.uk and the email link is the @ sign on the top right hand corner.

Many thanks
Kate Butlin
Re: MORE RESEARCH
[info]crag2000 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:35 am (UTC)
I have actually written a book on this very topic.

I worked in the Civil Service for both Jacqui Smith and Alan Johnson.

Once I became disabled with CFS I was horrible bullied by the Civil Service for my very poor health.

It was a truly terrible time. Trying to cope with a life altering disability and an employer who did not care.
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Re: MORE RESEARCH - [info]ch0c0cake - Saturday, 10 October 2009 at 07:54 am (UTC) Expand
Thank you
[info]jwred02 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:16 am (UTC)
Thank you for publishing this. As other people have commented hopefully this will lead to more research and more understanding from health professionals and eventually a cure.
Re: Thank you
[info]st9999 wrote:
Tuesday, 20 October 2009 at 10:48 am (UTC)
I'm not sure why you don't want scientist to look for the cause, but it is more likely that they will find it to be biological.
Same can be said of EBV and the Herpes 6 Virus
[info]tonyz2010 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:21 am (UTC)
The same type of stats exist for these two Viruses (EPstein Barr and Herpes 6) yet over the years
both have been dismissed as being the causes of ME (Chronic Fatigue)

My guess is that the same will eventually be said about this new Virus (murine leukaemia virus-related virus (XMRV)

Re: Same can be said of EBV and the Herpes 6 Virus
[info]kg001 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 11:06 am (UTC)
A lot of the people posting on here ought to READ THE RESEARCH PAPER. The numbers you refer to for EBV and HHV6 were nothing like those for XMRV. If you're going to spout a load of nonsense at least give the impression you've read the paper. A laboratory in London is already running 500 samples for XMRV from a properly-diagnosed group of CFS patients. Perhaps when this is published we might hear a bit less crap. Look at the data. Unless of course you're suggesting two researchers with many years of experience in HIV and cancer ( Mikovits and Silverman ) have fabricated data and pulled the wool over the eyes of that slipshod publication "Science" ? Wake up.
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Re: Same can be said of EBV and the Herpes 6 Virus - [info]tonyz2010 - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 11:30 am (UTC) Expand
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Re: Same can be said of EBV and the Herpes 6 Virus - [info]sebbybaby - Friday, 9 October 2009 at 01:52 pm (UTC) Expand
andy_normal
[info]andy_normal wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)
Chinese medicine has classed ME as an invasive agent trapped in the body for years. If western medicine listened a bit more and was more ready to exchange ideas, i think this sort of thing wouldn't seem such a surprise.
Sense of humour
[info]idontvote wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:40 am (UTC)
The people that named this imaginary condition certainly had a sense of humour when they named it ME.
Re: Sense of humour
[info]dundeefruitcake wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 10:56 am (UTC)
Ha Ha. How I am laughing. At your glib naivety. I developed this condition following shingles. I have endured it for 12 years. I was an outgoing primary school teacher who for years had taught full time and worked in the hospitality industry part time too because I enjoyed it. I only took a week off work with shingles. Three weeks later I could barely get through the day and a week after that I could hardly walk. This continued for a year. Following that I was well enough to return to work but only part-time and I wasn't well enough to do a lot else. After a year I got flu and although I did nothing this illness came back with a vengeance and I had to give up teaching completely.
I have a degree in Psychology and worked for a teaching qualification as a mature student. I had a lot of enthusiasm and a love of life until this cruel affliction took over my life and turned it upside down. I can no longer do the job I loved and we have had to cancel holidays at the last minute and many social engagements too. I can no longer swim, cycle, go walking or go to the gym - activities I enjoyed regularly before.
I have learnt to live with this condition, keep quiet about it and don't feel sorry for myself. A lot of people endure a lot worse. The cruellest thing about this illness is enduring the silly comments of people like yourself. And, by the way, your comment isn't even original. All of us with ME will have come across it before. I wouldn't wish this illness on my worst enemy but I have often wished people like yourself could experience it for just 24 hours. Then, just maybe, you would keep your mouth shut until you have put your brain into gear.
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Finally, hope for CFS sufferers!
[info]neuronutter wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 10:01 am (UTC)
The news today in the independent that the cause of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, CFS, or ME as it is also known, may have been discovered is marvellous and a long time due. It gives hope to the millions that suffer from this debilitating condition, that the illness will be treatable in the foreseeable future. It also gives hope that the world will start treating this condition with the respect it deserves. I've had CFS for five years and it has turned my life upside down. I've had to take many months off work at a time and when I returned the reception was less than warm. I've had to cancel most social engagements during this time and have lost contact with all but my closest and most sympathetic of friends. I've also had to sacrifice most things in my life in order to recover and getting back to work has taken almost two years. The lack of public understanding towards this illness is baffling and one of the unexpected effects when you are diagnosed with this condition.


This finding offers hope to the millions of people who suffer from this illness that they will be free from it one day, that they won't have to suffer in silence, locked away from the world by extreme fatigue. It also brings hope that they may finally get the change in public opinion that is due. I hope this finding will begin to change the way the public sees an illness that, until now, had no known root cause and was difficult to sympathise with. I look forward to the next discovery with much anticipation.
Re: Finally, hope for CFS sufferers!
[info]treesrgreen80 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 06:11 pm (UTC)
I also welcome any bio-medical research in this field, since the likes of Prof Wessley have made it incredibly difficult to get funding for such research in this country.

For those very few posters who have suggested that CBT is an adequate treatment for this illness: I had the misfortune of being referred to the Chronic Fatigue Unit at King's College (where SW is resident) and approached CBT with an open mind. While it helped me to some extent come to terms with chronic illness, it also made me feel like a failure, and incredibly frustrated, when of course it did absolutely nothing for my physical symptoms. When I think about it now, I'm amazed that I ever thought it would help. The disappointment at discovering that CBT and GET was the best the NHS had to offer was certainly not worth the very small psychological benefits of the treatment.

In the States and other countries there are already some drugs that have been shown to help, if not cure this awful disease. It is time that the treatment fitted the illness - CFS/ME is a neurological illness, and it is ridiculous to expect that a 12 week course of CBT therapy can improve the actual conditions.

Finally, of all the many people I now know suffering with this illness, I would say that there is not one among them who could be called lazy. We have to cope with the spectre of Simon Wessley's 'work' hanging over us, which is ridiculous when you consider the active, social and energetic lifestyles many of us pursued before getting this. I am 28 and am still hoping that there will some form of treatment in time for me to begin a career, and resume the life I once had.
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