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Moon 'bombing' makes an impact - really

By John von Radowitz, Press Association

NASA's Lunar CRater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS) and its Centaur booster rocket crashes into the moon in this artist's illustration released October 9, 2009. The mission is designed  to determine whether there is useful water ice hidden in the rocks and soil of a deep polar crater.

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NASA's Lunar CRater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS) and its Centaur booster rocket crashes into the moon in this artist's illustration released October 9, 2009. The mission is designed to determine whether there is useful water ice hidden in the rocks and soil of a deep polar crater.

A mission that promised dramatic fireworks as two spacecraft smashed into the Moon at more than 5,000 mph started looking like a damp squib today, but Nasa scientists hailed it as a success.

The "bombing" mission was supposed to kick up a six-mile high cloud of debris that scientists hoped would contain signs of water.

But live pictures relayed back from the Moon showed no sign of an impact - even though both craft dived into a darkened crater as planned.

Without an adequate plume of material to analyse, scientists may not find the answers they are looking for.

A British expert who helped the American space agency Nasa pick the location near the Moon's south pole said the lunar surface may not have reacted as expected.

But Dr Vincent Eke, from the University of Durham, stressed it was still too early to know if the mission had been a success or failure.

"If it turns out to be as dull as it looked, I'd imagine the soil just didn't respond as was hoped to being hit," said Dr Eke. "It might mean we don't get sufficient data, which would be a shame."

Dr Eke's team discovered strong evidence of hydrogen - a key component of water - within cold permanently shadowed craters at the Moon's poles, where temperatures fall to minus 200C.

Today's mission was intended to find out if water ice exists at the bottom of the crater Cabeus, 100 kilometres from the lunar south pole

Finding water, which could be used for drinking, making fuel and providing oxygen, would have major implications for the future of moon exploration.

A ready supply of water would make it far more practicable to build lunar bases or launch missions to Mars from the Moon.

The crashing spacecraft consisted of a Moon-mapping orbiter, LCROSS (Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite) and a 2.2 tonne empty Centaur rocket.

After they were blasted into space in June, the probe hung on to the rocket, which formed the upper stage of its launch vehicle.

Video: NASA bombs the moon

In the early hours of today, UK time, the pair separated and the final countdown began to send them both crashing into the crater Cabeus.

Nasa broadcast the final moments of the drama, filmed by the LCROSS spacecraft, live on its website.

The pictures continued beaming back to Earth as the larger rocket took the first plunge just after 12.30am, UK time.

But the dramatic explosion that was predicted failed to materialise. The only evidence of an impact was a small "thermal signature" picked up by the LCROSS probe's infra-red camera.

Bemused experts commenting live on the mission continued to be up-beat. One said: "All the indications are that the instruments were working, and no matter what we find, it's going to be important."

The webcast images of the crater loomed larger and larger as the satellite approached on its collision course, but still showed no sign of debris.

LCROSS was supposed to carry out analysis of the material as it flew through the cloud, slamming into the crater four minutes after the rocket.

It was important for studying the debris composition that it was thrown up high enough to be caught by sunlight.

Evidence of water would be revealed in spectrographic patterns in the reflected light.

Instruments on Earth-based telescopes will also be looking for signs of water from the impacts.

Dr Eke, who led a study of data from Nasa's 1998 Lunar Prospector mission which revealed hydrogen concentrated in darkened craters, said: "There's absolutely no doubt that they hit the place they were aiming for, but how material gets thrown out from the surface depends on whether it's rocky or loose. If you hit a sponge, you're not going to see anything.

"It sounds like they got an infrared signal, but its too early to predict yet what they're likely to get."

Scientists know the Earth's oceans were created by an early bombardment by water-carrying comets.

It is likely the same hailstorm of comets brought water to the Moon. What is not known is if any of the water survived in the Moon's airless atmosphere.

If the hydrogen found by Dr Eke's team exists in the form of water ice, it implies that craters at the Moon's north and south poles could hold as much as 200,000 million litres of water.

"It's entirely possible because its so cold in these craters that water ice could be stable for billions of years," said Dr Eke.

"The water would be in the form of ice crystals in what is mainly rock. Given how expensive it is to take water to the Moon, having access to a ready-made water supply would make setting lunar bases a lot easier.

"Even if no water is found, you would then have to ask 'why not?' which would be interesting from a scientific point of view."

Last month new findings from three spacecraft, including India's Chandrayaan-1 probe, showed that small amounts of water might be chemically bound up with the Moon's soil.

Later as mystery over the fate of the mission deepened, Nasa confirmed that all nine instruments on board the LCROSS probe had been working and received "good data".

The first impact should have hit with force equivalent to 1.5 tons of exploding TNT, leaving a hole half the size of an Olympic swimming pool.

Nasa said further images were "on the way in".

One possibility was that the lighting made the debris cloud difficult to see.

Project manager Dan Andrews said the images could be "grey against black".

Expectations by the public may also have been too high, based on pre-crash animations, some of which were not produced by Nasa, he said.

Mr Andrews added: "What matters for us is: What is the nature of the stuff that was kicked up going in?"

He said ground-based telescopes had obtained good images.

LCROSS was fitted with five cameras and four other scientific instruments with which to scour the dust cloud from the first impact.

It might be two weeks before the analysis shows if there was water ice at the bottom of the Cabeus crater, said the space agency.

Nasa chief Doug Cooke later hailed the mission as a success.

"This is a great day for science and exploration," said Mr Cooke, associate administrator for the Exploration Systems Mission Directorate at Nasa headquarters in Washington DC. "The LCROSS data should prove to be an impressive addition to the tremendous leaps in knowledge about the Moon that have been achieved in recent weeks.

"I want to congratulate the LCROSS team for their tremendous achievement in development of this low cost spacecraft and for their perseverance through a number of difficult technical and operational challenges."

Anthony Colaprete, LCROSS principal investigator and project scientist at Nasa's Ames Research Centre in Moffet Field, California, said: "The LCROSS science instruments worked exceedingly well and returned a wealth of data that will greatly improve our understanding of our closest celestial neighbour."

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WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY FIRE BACK?
[info]georgesign wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 07:51 am (UTC)
"The Aliens on the Moon have announced they are going to "bomb" the Earth to see if there are any intelligent life forms on the planet" Report Lunar Daily.
Re: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY FIRE BACK?
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:08 am (UTC)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
What ever will we do??
No problem no there is no intelligent life on earth. So sorry to disappoint them.
Re: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY FIRE BACK?
[info]justicewhite wrote:
Friday, 30 October 2009 at 03:21 pm (UTC)

LOL :) don't forget the Martians, hahaha






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MOON MEN "BOMB" EARTH
[info]georgesign wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 07:54 am (UTC)
LUNAR DAILY REPORT:- "It has been decided to "bomb" Earth to see if there are any intelligent life forms on the planet"
No pollution?????
[info]smarttog wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:19 am (UTC)
I take it that these missiles do not contain any pollutants of any sort.

It will be really ironic if earthlings pollute all the pristine water on the moon, wouldn't it!!!

Duh!!

Re: No pollution?????
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:30 am (UTC)
Re: No pollution?????
[info]smarttog wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 10:16 am (UTC)
Great, got it thanks...
I am nervous
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
""""The plan is to slam the projectiles into a dark crater at the lunar south pole, kicking up a six-mile high dust cloud that may contain water."""""

Now I am not a Genius or anything but to create a 6 mile high dust cloud is going to take some doing. So they are going to bomb the crap out of the moon. Two tonnes of TNT??
If they knock it off it's Axis or knock it out of it's present Orbit this will have profound affects on the planet earth. You know that place we all live on.
I see this a very foolish endeavor.
The results could be catastrophic.

So just in Case, it was nice knowing you all.
Love ya.
Re: I am nervous
[info]smarttog wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:42 am (UTC)
So am I....

Space vehicles don't carry TNT but they are propelled be nuclear material.

Two questions for the experts..

1. Are there nuclear materials on these space vehicles........If so!!!
2. What will happen to it.

Also...Have you even considered the impact this will have on the indigenous biological life forms. Just because you can't see them it doesn't mean there not there.

We didn't know life forms lived around deep seas vents until recently. Life forms which don't actually need Oxygen...

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT MRS AND MR SPACE SCIENTIST??????
Re: I am nervous
[info]theelectrician wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:05 am (UTC)
You say that the space vehicles are propelled by nuclear materials.

The you ask "Are there nuclear materials on these space vehicles....."

Which one is it? Do you 'know' the spacecraft are propelled by nuclear materials? If so, say it.

Maybe you know about this in the same way you know about life on the moon. Just because YOU know it's there, that doesn't mean anyone else can see it or detect it. I have the same problem with the pixies that live at the bottom of my garden.
Re: I am nervous
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:15 am (UTC)

Lets settle for Duracell batteries which may or may not be nucear powered :o)
Re: I am nervous
[info]smarttog wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:52 am (UTC)
Not being privy to the design of these vehicles, I am afraid I cannot answer you question. I am led to believe that long range and duration space vehicles are generally powered by some form of radio active source.

Now that may not be the case but even if it is batteries powered by photoelectric cells, there is probably a pollutant present.

Which was the underlying point of what I was trying to say earlier.

Also, once we have introduced pollutants such as heavy metals and all the other composite materials of a space vehicle, how can we ever describe the moon's environment as being pristine?

Say Hi to the Pixies for me.......haha
Re: I am nervous
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 09:09 am (UTC)
The 5,600 mph, imagine those projectiles landing in your back yard. That's a lot of wallop.
Good question what exactly are in those projectiles?
The moon is a whole lot smaller then earth an can't absorb the impact like earth could either.
I have a bad feeling about this.
In days to come it wouldn't surprise me to see more weather changes and new problems with the tides.
It may not happen right away but it will.
The Elneno's (spelled wrong but you know what I mean)came about ten or so years after all the Nuclear bomb testing. Coincidentally.
The ozone started to disappear in a few places as well.
Coincidentally.
Re: I am nervous
[info]felipe_segundo wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 11:08 am (UTC)
Just to let you know, short range space probes don't carry nuclear material to provide electricity. They are powered by conventional chemical fuels and they derive electrical power from either batteries or photovoltaic cells. Due to the short duration of this mission, I would guess it will just be batteries.
I think I am halucinating already
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 08:36 am (UTC)
Is it just me or could it be the fall out from the moon bombing. I think there are duplicate story's all over the Independent.
They blew up the moon and messed up the computers.
Or I am now lunny.
One story had 4 duplicates. Honest I saw them with my own widdow eyes.
Re: I think I am halucinating already
[info]resumeapollo wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 10:24 am (UTC)
Rain1950: please stop gurning.
Bombing the Moon
[info]bettylou22 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 10:21 am (UTC)
So not content with destroying planet earth we are now starting on other planets that are vital to the earth- why not go the whole hog and wipe the entire solar system out - see where that gets us. Is it really so vital that we know what is on the moon? I don't thinks so- why can't scientist just accept what is and leave it all be?
Good Grief
[info]dunque123 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 10:39 am (UTC)
This story certainly brought out the nutter contingent. Marvellous stuff.
Just crashed the rockets on the moon..
[info]smarttog wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 11:57 am (UTC)
Just heard it on radio 1.

Off for fish and chips and a quick pint.....while there is still time.
The Bombing of the Moon
[info]jimfred wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 12:52 pm (UTC)
I have come to this story a bit late.Have I got this right.....the Americans have discovered that the mooneys have water weapons of mud -distruction and are going to liberate the people from the big moon cheese?
Is their a chance that they will miss ,and "Friendly Fire"Mars?
Prepare for some angry Martians arriving in their flying saucers and zapping us with their death-rays.

Seriously,the idea of the U.S. charging round space blowing things up,is beyond satire.
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[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 03:26 pm (UTC)

Blasphemy!
Moonmerica!
[info]kaptainkitten wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 01:38 pm (UTC)
Just like with the native americans any life on the moon is to be destroyed with so-called probes.

The buffalo know this fate only too well! I pity the fool who believes this is about water.

Clearly this is a mission of conquest and soon our moon which has shone brightly for over eight thousand years will be colonised by the people of the USA for who knows what ends?

Maybe these "moonmericans" will drop their garbage onto the pristine oceans of planet Earth or beam pornographic images into people homes forcing pets to watch their depraved moon ways.

I only hope that Tony Blair will declare war on the moonmericans and very soon, very soon...
Here US bomb countries for oil and moon for water.
[info]dastu11 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 01:49 pm (UTC)
Here US had enough bombing on other countries for stealing thier resources like oil, and now the bombing has started on moon. Lucky that none live there. If some was there they might say that are Al- Qaeda terrorists.
Armstrong didn't saw any water on Moon, so US is finding it by bombing.
[info]dastu11 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 02:23 pm (UTC)
What was Armstrong's mission when he went to Moon? Just only to put the American flag there?.
Relax, folks
[info]occamsghost wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 03:05 pm (UTC)
First of all, the Moon weighs roughly 73,000,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes. It's a very small bang on a very big object.
Secondly, every crater you see on the Moon is the result of a meteoritic impact orders of magnitude bigger than anything NASA just did, and yet the Moon still orbits the Earth as it has done for a few billion years now.

So don't worry about it.
Re: Relax, folks
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 05:21 pm (UTC)
So how about they decide to weaponise the moon and threaten the planet earth with laser's etc. Would that be a problem?

Like everything else the US wants to control the moon too. Now get with the program here. The US want control over everything they can get their grubby little hands on.
This is a test not for water, but to show the world they can bomb us from space.
Space the final frontier.
One of these days little aliens will come and blow the crap out of us. Can't say I blame them if they do considering how civilized we are killing millions each year in the name of greed and resources.
Don't be surprised when those little green men come to take you away. They want US weapons on their planet like a hole in the head I bet.
They are watching us you know.
They monitor everything we do including blowing up the moon.
They know we are a destructive race of stupid people who should be rubbed out.

Anyone who thinks we are the only race of folks in the Universe are very foolish indeed.
The US is so full of itself it makes one wanna puke.
Re: Relax, folks
[info]occamsghost wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 06:10 pm (UTC)
Laser weapons on the Moon wouldn't be a problem for me... because it's a damn silly and utterly pointless idea, just like the notion that the US was "showing the world they can bomb us from space".

Any nation with the ability to put a satellite in Earth orbit can "bomb us from space" and that's been the case for a good 50 years now - no need whatsoever to test it anew.

As for the little green men, since you seem to have an inside track, are they planning to obliterate us without warning and show they're even less civilised than we are?





Re: Relax, folks
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 07:14 pm (UTC)
Well ya know a few moons back i time the US had a plan for a false flag and it was that Aliens were attacking earth.
Some idiot thought it would be a good idea. They actually had a plan of that sort in progress.
I am not exactly nuts but those who were planning a false flag of that sort were.
It was one of those operations like Operation Northwods.
It never made it anywhere but they did plan it.
So who is more insane we nuts who are skeptical of what they are really doing, or those who were stupid enough to plan a false flag operation "We are being invaded by Aliens".

The Americans do come up with pretty bazzare ideas.

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