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There's another Earth out there – and we'll find it

Habitable planet could be located in the next four years, scientists say

Reports by Steve Connor, Science editor, in Chicago

The Corot space telescope scrutinises stars seeking another Earth

The Corot space telescope scrutinises stars seeking another Earth

The first Earth-like planet orbiting a distant star could be discovered within four years, astronomers believe. None of the 300 "extra-solar" planets so far identified beyond our own system is thought to be suitable for life, so the discovery of an Earth-like planet made of rock rather than hot gas or frozen ice would significantly increase the chances of finding the second habitable world, scientists said.

A leading astronomer confidently predicted yesterday that the discovery of an earth-like planet – possibly in the water-friendly "habitable zone" around a nearby star – would soon be announced, after two satellite studies by the European Space Agency (ESA) and the US National Aeronautics and Space Administration (Nasa).

"Within about three or four years, there will be a press conference at Nasa headquarters and they will tell us just how frequently Earth-like planets occur and once we know that we will know how to take the next steps in the search for habitable planets," said Alan Boss of the Carnegie Institution for Science in Washington.

"I think it's inevitable that there are Earth-like planets out there. I suspect that every star we look at in the night sky has an Earth-like planet around it. We already know that most stars have planets," Dr Boss told the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Chicago.

"We've been able to find planets a few times the mass of the Earth around lower-mass stars but while they are not quite earth analogues, they are getting closer and closer to Earth. The fact that we can find them already implies we are seeing just the tip of the iceberg."

Scientists believe up to a third of the sun-like stars in the Milky Way galaxy have planets that are several times larger than Earth. Dr Boss said the figure could be even higher for smaller planets the size of Earth. "I think we are talking about a number that is very close to one, one Earth-sized planet around each sun-like star," he said. This would mean there could be 100 billion earth-like planets in our galaxy alone, and at least 100 billion galaxies in the Universe.

"What we're going to find is that the number of Earths is quite large and that's going to tell us how to build the next telescopes to go out and examine these finds," Dr Boss said.

At present, ground-based telescopes able to detect only planets that are substantially larger than Earth, which means the "gas giant" planets such as Jupiter or the ice-giants such Neptune which are both unsuitable for life.

But smaller, rocky planets could be identified for the first time with two space-based telescopes, ESA's Corot satellite, which began collecting data last year, and Nasa's Kepler mission, which is scheduled for launch next month. "I think we'll be absolutely astonished if Kepler and Corot did not find any Earth-like planets because basically we're finding them already, so I don't think it's possible that we won't find some," Dr Boss said.

Suggestions that there could be as many as 100 billion Earth-like planets in the galaxy, with a sizeable fraction of them orbiting with the habitable zone where liquid water exists, means that extraterrestial life is inevitable, Dr Boss told the meeting.

"If you have a habitable world that is sitting around for four, five or ten billion years around a star, how are you going to stop it from forming life? It's like taking a refrigerator, unplugging it, shutting the door and then coming back a couple of months later; you'd be amazed to find what's growing there," he said. "That's what life's like. The fridge analogy may not be the same as the origins of life, but life is so tenacious, it's hard to stop. If you had a planet sitting there at the right temperature with water for a million years, something's going to come out of it."

But finding a planet with life is not the same as finding intelligent life. "It is quite a bit harder to estimate what the likelihood is of finding intelligent life, probably because intelligent life, we believe, probably exists for only a fraction of the time period of when a planet may be inhabitable," Dr Boss said.

"Do you really think that our civilisation is going to last for a billion years? That's the timescale we talk about in astronomy. I don't think we are going to be around in a billion years. On the other hand, there are just real practical reasons why we may not have detected intelligent life. Maybe we haven't found them yet because we just haven't look far enough and long enough in the galaxy," he added.

... and there may be another form of life right here

We know that life evolved at least once in the Universe but could it have originated twice on the same planet – just not as we know it? That is the question posed by a scientist who believes that a second form of "weird life" which has yet to be discovered may have originated on Earth.

Paul Davies, a British-born physicist at Arizona State University in Tempe, said that the conventional view that all life on Earth originated once from a common ancestor may be wrong and that another form of microbial life may exist in parallel to life as we know it.

"There has been no systematic search for life as we don't know it on Earth. We're not talking about some kind of life we can't see for mystical reasons," Professor Davies said at the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Chicago. "We're talking about microbial life, and in this realm some little organisms may have an alternative biochemistry derived from a second or subsequent genesis event."

Scientists believe that the first lifeform originated between 3.5 and 4 billion years ago when the Earth was a very different place. It was being bombarded by comets and meteoroids and bathed in ultraviolet radiation to create a kind of "primordial soup" of pre-biotic chemicals that began to replicate and evolve. Professor Davies believes that genesis event may have occurred more than once and that it is possible that two or more forms of life came about which used quite different sets of biological molecules.

"If we imagine the origin of life on Earth some three and half to four billion years ago, we can imagine a series of stop-go experiments where life was formed and annihilated, formed and annihilated," Professor Davies said.

"As a result of that sequence it is entirely possible that another form of life was left, and then the issue is whether it would have survived today and formed a shadow biosphere," he said.

"It could be right under our noses, or even in our noses. It could be that weird life and regular life are intermingled."

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Great, now all we have to do is get to it
[info]mounty1 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 12:49 am (UTC)
Why don't we just give up this ludicrous blind alley, and learn to live within our means instead ? Slap down the obsession with growing the economy, plan for a massive but controlled reduction in population, learn that lifestyle is not the same as consumption. Of course, all of this is tree-hugger nonsense say the 'realists', as they guide us safely to destruction.
Re: Great, now all we have to do is get to it
[info]testing_times wrote:
Wednesday, 18 February 2009 at 10:24 am (UTC)
"Great, now all we have to do is get to it"

Get with the programme - have you never heard of a Tardis?
Why does it have to be earth-like?
[info]maxrpg wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 01:57 am (UTC)
All these scientists talk about finding life on earth-like planets but who says "LIFE" needs an earth-like atmosphere in order to exist!. Simply because we need air in order to survive doesnt meen that other possible lifeforms need the same thing. Even here on earth we have some types of bacteria/viruses which can survive without the need for air and they are alive, they are lifeforms. Im certain that other life does exist somewhere in the universe but we will be unable to find them and possibly even see them for 100s of years yet to come and technology advances enough to give us the means to do so. Im not into aliens and things like that but from all the storys of aliens visiting us and taking people for study it is very highly possible that it is all true because if you think about it we will be doing the same thing soon. In a few 100 years time we will be taking our "spaceships" to other planets to study them and if we find it we will also study the life on those planets. You may laugh but deep down you know im actually making some sense. It wont happen in our lifetimes though unfortunately.
rubbish
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 02:09 am (UTC)
we all instinctively know that we are totally alone in the universe and only psychopaths fantasise about mythical technologically advanced other being s being out there somewhere.if there are other beings similar to the beings of the planet Earth they are probably living quietly and minding their own business, if they have any sense
Re: rubbish
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 05:08 am (UTC)
Why would someone looking for life elsewhere in this universe be suffering specifically from Psychopathy?

In fact I would say that the term is pretty much self exclusive as psychopaths tend to be inward focused and probably wouldn't even consider life out there unless directly asked...

I think ol' Douglas Adams put it succinctly enough, that in an infinite universe, there must be an infinite amount of habitable planets, an infinite amount of intelligent life... QED

I always chuckle though when the Americans automatically think that Aliens would meet up with them first, if Aliens were observing the earth, it is more likely that the US's recent actions would make aliens probably move on without disturbing us, that is if they were moral Aliens, if they were conquering Aliens, it is very likely that they would take the Yanks out first... Of course, if they were tourist Aliens, no doubt Disneyland would welcome them, the same as anyone else :P
Re: rubbish
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 12:05 pm (UTC)
I suppose you make a fair point about psychopaths, it just seems silly to me when we know we are totally alone in the universe which, being a tidly bit big is like a beach of sand in which we are a grain. I'm actually writing a book about aliens who visit, but without space ships
Re: rubbish
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 12:23 pm (UTC)
Clearly not true. 'We know' is very different to 'we believe' and when people use the phrase 'we know' that is often not literally what they mean, merely semantics of language.

Logically speaking, given the fact that we are, as you said, merely a grain of sand on this big, beach universe, why would you then assume that we are alone? We have barely explored even Mars, the closest planet by a loooooooooooooong way and our brains and technology cannot comprehend the magnitude of the universe, hence why we haven't got very far and can't really see very far (in great detail, anyway), so I'd say it's more than a litle naive to claim to 'know' anything.

When writing your book, you may way to read a little bit about the universe and theoretical physics if you wnt your book to hold 'gravity' in the fantasy world (heh heh heh - couldn't resist...)
Re: rubbish
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 12:29 pm (UTC)
this so called "we ". I have not explorer any other planets- have you? my characters don't need theories
Re: rubbish
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 12:55 pm (UTC)
'We' means us as a the human race, implemented by a certain few incredibly intelligent, learned people and read about by me and many others. Something I'm guessing you don't partake in?

On that note, who do you mean when you mean 'we'? As in "we all instinctively know that we are totally alone in the universe and only psychopaths fantasise about mythical technologically advanced other being s being out there somewhere" (a quote from you, by the way). Are you including me in 'we all'? How about Steven Hawking? How about the other posters here who surmise we are not, in fact, alone?

So, let me get this straight:

claim 1: we all instinctively know that we are alone and only psychopaths fantasise about advances being out there.

claim 2: you are writing a book about a fantasy you have about aliens visiting the earth.

Corollary 1: you think of yourself as a psychopath.

Although, logically speaking, since being proven that claim 1 is not true, corollary 1 does not hold (phew, close call for you!).

And are you trying to claim that I have no right to deduce that there is 'life' on other planets because i have not been to other planets (fair point, I have not) but then... nor have you.... so how would you know, unless you had been to every other planet in the whole entire universe, that there is no life? Because someone would only have to find one tiny speck of life somewhere to prove you wrong, whereas you'd have to go to all the planets... It's just logic, buddy.





Re: rubbish
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 01:00 pm (UTC)
when I say we I mean my presumed interlocutor and myself,the human race never went anywhere the odd individual may well have done so but not the entire human race amongst whom I beg to include myself
Re: rubbish
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 01:10 pm (UTC)
My apologies. I assumed when you said 'we all' you actually meant 'we all' as opposed to just the two of you. I can see now that I was wrong to think you might have meant what you said. Out of interest, who is this 'presumed interlocutor' of yours?
Re: rubbish
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 01:42 pm (UTC)
ah, fair point, loose language on my part. to be clearer I think that all people instinctively feel/know that we are alone, arrogantly attributing my feelings to humanity as a whole
Re: rubbish
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 02:01 pm (UTC)
Well, for a start, that isn't true as many people have pointed out here (not claiming to know that there is life out there, but, by believing there is life out there, what you say about all people instinctively knowing we're alone isn't true). There are obvisouly people who do think we're alone (your good self) and obvisouly people who think we aren't (my good self!)


My personal view on it is that our brains as mere humans are 'naive' to comprehend the sheer magnitude of the universe which and also the conditions on a planet different to ours that would precure life and what that life would be like (looks, communication, numbers etc) and this, in turn, translates to a feeling of being alone
Re: rubbish
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 02:06 pm (UTC)
I must respectfully bow to your beliefs, however unsupported by any evidence they may be, but one could say the same thing of god
Re: rubbish
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 02:38 pm (UTC)
Well I suppose we have the same amount of evidence to go on, except that as our* telescopes reach further with more accurate vision, more and planets orbiting distant stars are being found and I would not rule out, one day, finding one which shows signs of 'life'. However that may appear and whether we will notice it and what we will do if/when we find it remains to be seen, but it is not impossible and is getting more and more probable.

With respect to your comment about 'God' yes I agree, I'm not a believer in any of the traditional faiths myself as I find them bizarre, but would not rule out a higher 'power' than us (by power I don't mean someone that made us in his image, I mean a complex 'structure' of which we are a part of) whose rules are not about coveting someone's wife or not making images of the deity, but of little impact on nature and avoiding distruction wherever possible (yes, I realise that means we're already screwed!)) but as for my beliefs, that doesn't rule out life on other planets, but I realise that some people who hold different faith ideas might find the idea of extra-terrestrial life contradictory to that of a monotheistic faith.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is we all have our own idiosyncratic ideas and beliefs about the rhetoric, I just tend to get a bit defensive when I feel someone is trying to push their ideas on me, whatever they a be; life's hard enough without that!!

*by our, I mean 'their' really :-)
Re: rubbish
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 03:23 pm (UTC)
quite right avoid al proselytisers like the plague, if I came across as one I regret it as I do being an opinionated old sod and I am justly rebuked
Re: rubbish
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 04:01 pm (UTC)
No probs, I know it's hard to get tone of voice across in written word!
Re: rubbish
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 04:23 pm (UTC)
tell me about it:)-looking at your profile you are obviously frightfully clever and know a lot more than me
Re: rubbish
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 09:16 pm (UTC)
Haha, don't know about that, you old charmer!
Re: rubbish
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 09:46 pm (UTC)
you don't get all those high powered qualifications and work for a hedge fund unless you are a rocket scientist of sorts and without meaning to detract from that the average hedgehog knows more than me.The one time I had to understand complicated accounts I had to call in a forensic accountant to explain all the numbers to me and even then I was clueless- I'm disnumeric
Re: rubbish
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 10:24 pm (UTC)
oops I mean dysnumeric
Re: rubbish
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 02:21 pm (UTC)
actually, just think about it, in a universe of gazillions of gazillions of things odds of 5 gazilliongazillion gazillion to 1 against are pretty good odds
Re: rubbish
[info]handybendy wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 06:29 am (UTC)
We all instictively know nothing of the sort. What on Earth (no pun intended) has postulating the existence of extraterrestrial life got to do with psychopathy? I suspect you don't really understand what a psychopath actually is.
Re: rubbish
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 10:49 pm (UTC)
strictly it means someone who has no empathy often just generally crackers or deluded- heaven forfend that you should think that that is meant to apply to you- real psychopaths are seriously scary but can seem quite sane and jolly. Many salesmen are psychopaths; it is often a necessary qualification for the job. I accept entirely that belief in extra terrestrial life is not a symptom of it

I just happen to sense that we are totally alone, needless to say I do not accept the theory of evolution in its entirety but it is awful persuasive and the anthropomorphic phraseology of some of its proponents interests me from a psychological point of view
Another Earth? I don't get it.
[info]odlanier wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 02:36 am (UTC)
We have been led to believe (I'd say "understand" rather) that both time and space are illusions of our perception. So how come we insist in space travel to search for aliens?

As far as this premise is concerned the whole of the Universe is within our minds. There is nos such a thing as aliens, because we ARE the aliens. Our illusion of "out there" is what made us rivet the habit of considering "out there" and "other people" as something different from ourselves.

As long as we keep on thinking that there is us and the rest of the Universe we will be stuck on singleness, individuality and will keep spending zillions and pressing ourselves dry to find an answer to why we have never found the slightest trace of other living beings "out there" despite all the superb technologies we have device and built to look "Beyond" ourselves.

We ARE the aliens, we ARE outer space, ours IS the inhabited planet. Planets, man matter, light, energy are just ways of speaking. There is no more YOU than a part of ME. The faster we wake up to this realization, the more sober our behaviour will be towards man, towards the environment, towards animals.

WE ARE the Universe. We ARE all dimensions and there is nothing more than US out there.




Re: Another Earth? I don't get it.
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 11:41 am (UTC)
Alternatievly, when we discover new life on another planet and we realise how different it is to us, (assuming we don't kill it - which means get the Yanks out of control) perhaps we will gain a sense of perspective and realise that God or no God (no God), we're not the be-all-and-end-all of this universe and if we mess up this planet, 'God' will not step in and save us, (becuase he definitely does not exist in the momtheistic view of the deity) we will perish, just as we allowed (or even caused) everything else to perish.

Perhaps then we will understand that we've been unreasonably arrogant as a species.
Re: Another Earth? I don't get it.
[info]ganef wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 12:35 pm (UTC)
I am sure you know what you are talking about because I doubt anyone else does.
Re: Another Earth? I don't get it.
[info]odlanier wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 01:45 pm (UTC)
My friend. Ever since quantum mechanics came out, we have learnt that space and time are mere illusions of the mind. Being space an illusion it seems stupid to reach out to contact aliens, because we will be contacting illusions. If we dig even deeper (see William Tiller, on "intent"), we may reach the obvious conclusion that the Universe exists in such and such way because we "intent" it to be in such and such way. We ARE the creators; or rather, our collective consciousness IS the creator.

You may doubt whatever you wish. It doesn't change the facts an iota, though. But perhaps you would care to ask a physicist about this.
Re: Another Earth? I don't get it.
[info]ganef wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 02:00 pm (UTC)
I am sure you know what you are talking about because I doubt anyone else does.

I was a university lecturer in computing and wrote several training manuals for Microsoft Office products. My rule of thumb was to put myself in the position of my students, asking "do I understand what he is saying?" You may well be making valid points but why do I need a physicist to explain? This is The Independent, not a specialised magazine for boffins.
Re: Another Earth? I don't get it.
[info]odlanier wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 02:11 pm (UTC)
MS Office lecturer or not it is still stupid to think of space travel. But then I guess Bill Gates doesn't puts such things in Windows manuals.

Space IS an illusion. Period.
Re: Another Earth? I don't get it.
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 02:52 pm (UTC)
Did you know that a period is actually '.'

So you've actually said there:

Space is an illusion...

Which, to me, implies 'to be continued' :-)

I do love it when people such as yourself get so het up about their 'superior' knowledge. Perhaps the rest of us will use our collective consiousness to will life to burst into existence on other planets and prove you wrong.
Re: Another Earth? I don't get it.
[info]odlanier wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 05:08 pm (UTC)
Ha ha ha!. Ok, maybe that intent would prove many people wrong, me included. It will also prove how stupid would be to "will life to burst" anywhere else.

It would be far better to will Earth to grow larger to follow demographics or become healed or pour knowledge in our laps without the need to squander time and efforts and money travelling to search for Earth clone somewhere.

By the way mine is not superior knowledge. Mine are simple conjectures I happen to be persuaded of.
Re: Another Earth? I don't get it.
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 05:26 pm (UTC)
Well true, i was being facetious, perhaps not 'will life to burst into existence', or would we all merely condition our brains to perceive new life, is there any difference? All rhetorical and by definition, conjecture cannot be proven. So correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what you are saying is,'you might think you find life, but it's not really life, no more than any of us even exist anyway' followed by 'muahahahaha....'? I'm being facetious again, sorry.

The problem, I guess, when getting into discussions like this, fit to topic, it's hard to know what is 'scientific' and what is 'philosophical'. Anyhoo, I read a bit about your William Tiller chap, he seems like a clever guy but I'd have to read more to be convinced, I'm always open to new ideas an concepts anyway!
Re: Another Earth? We already have one!
[info]odlanier wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 10:58 pm (UTC)
We could also cinsider the remarkable experiments Dr. Masaru Emoto has done with water. Tiller and Emoto seemed to prove that collective prayers upon a body of water do influence the chemistry within. He froze a few cristals to demonstrate it. And Tiller managed to print an electronic device with his thoughts!. The printed circuit device was designed to change pH in water. It happened that the mere proximity of the device to a glass of water did change the water's pH. Everything has been thoroughly documented. This points to the idea, held by Ken Wilder too, that though does influence (and actually makes) matter. Amazing, isn't it?

According to them we actually make the Universe with or thoughts!
Re: Another Earth? I don't get it.
[info]ganef wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 03:24 pm (UTC)
Now I think I am beginning to understand. The definition of illusion in my OED is a misapprehension of the true state of affairs; a figment of the imagination. So, as I think I understand you, what I can see out there exists only in my mind. If you will pardon my language please Mr Moderator, what a load of bollox.

Almost 60 years ago, at school, I was enthralled by the exploits of Dan Dare in a new comic called Eagle. My religion teacher scorned us advising that God will never allow man to leave the earth. Today we all know that several men have walked on the moon. And I have a truly wonderful book of close-up photographs of the planets and their moons taken by the two satellites now billions of miles into deep space and outside our universe, possibly captured by very puzzled little green men. But all this is in my mind?

Do the maths. Suppose the chances of a planet with oxygen are one in a million, one in five million, the number does not matter. There are billions of stars out there in millions of galaxies. Look at the beautiful Hubble pictures and tell me they are all in my mind. Guess that the average star has 5 planets orbiting, the actual number does not matter. Then do the multiplications and divisions and the chances mentioned at the start of this paragraph are pretty generous for lots of life.

What that life is, who knows and will we ever find out? Certainly not with today's technology. We have just found out there is water on Mars, the essential for our life. I am willing to bet that the next successful explorer to Mars will find some evidence of life, now or extinct, maybe only very simple. This will explode your illusion theory.

I cannot get into deep discussion with you on this, I lack the education and, quite probably, the intelligence. My IQ is only 160. So lets agree to disagree but, in future, make it simple for us morons.
Re: Another Earth? I don't get it.
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 02:48 pm (UTC)
Assuming that curently unproven ideas are true, that is...

Don't get me wrong, I love theoretical physics, but there is a lot we don't know about yet, and there are also (to use what has become an incredibly useful 'gormless phrase') there are still many unknown unknowns, so it difficult for anyone (yes, that includes you :p) to claim anything for sure, especially about something which, by definition, has different concept of 'reality' to what we initially thought.

But, on the subject of aliens, what if we find a planet which has the same spatial-illusionary perceptions as us? Perhaps the universe is the collective consiousness of all of us (aliens included)?

There was a time when marine biologists and oceanographers would have laughed at the idea of some of the species of sea creatures we now know to exist, many of the conditions they live in were previously thought to be inhabitable and, what do you knoiw? We developed tech. to go down that far and found them. Who's to say the same won't happen with exta-terrestrial life?
Story telling at it's best
[info]motorwayne wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 02:51 am (UTC)
The vagaries abound
New Earth-Like Planet?
[info]michelsoudee wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 03:29 am (UTC)
Great, another place we can colonize and make wars on.
Other Earth like planets?
[info]allan1982 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 06:33 am (UTC)
While finding another Habbitable world is good news, I'm sure ESA and NASA are basing there search criteria on orbit distance, general size of the planetary body, and intensity of the star in question. You couldn't live on a planet orbiting a star as powerful as our own, with an orbit half that of our own. Likewise if the planet is larger, then geothermal levels would also have to be larger to provide enough warmth for the planet.
So it's a one in a million find really.
Intelligent life ??
[info]bt_tommy wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 06:52 am (UTC)
"On the other hand, there are just real practical reasons why we may not have detected intelligent life. "



Really.... Doh!
and if you believe..
[info]tommytcg wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 07:11 am (UTC)
everything that the Govt. force feeds you through mainstream media, then you will go along with this article. If you have an open mind, simply open www.theyfly.com for a re-education. Learn that we have open one-on-one et contact, that this contact group share with us ancient common ancestors, are 1500 years ahead on tech etc. Hoax? Nah. 6 US invetigators spent 5 years on and off with contactee Billy Meier in Switzerland in an attempt to debunk him. They failed to debunk Billy, and ended up confirming Billy`s over 130 contacts, in their publication Light Years by Gary Kinder. Bily has published 1800 pages of contact notes with et, Message From The Pleiades. Evidence? 1000 clear and close-up Kodak pre-photoshop photos, metal fragment, cine film, and sound recordings. Those analysed were found to be genuine. Why do scientists lie? To break with the dogma would ruin their careers. So they keep up with their taunts of..if its not published in a peer reviewed Science Journal it doesnt exist, or,. what can you learn from a blurry black and white photo you saw on the net? Onwards then with wasteful SETI, space exploration and the rest of mainstream science`s empty research that gives us these meaningless reports.
Another inhabitable planet
[info]ganef wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
But how would we get there? The closest star to us 4 light years away and we have no idea how to travel at 186,000 miles per second.
NEW EARTH
[info]soaring_eagle1 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 09:07 am (UTC)
I SINCERLEY HOPE WE DON'T FIND ANOTHER EARTH, LETS PUT THIS ONE RIGHT RATHER THAN GO OF AND DESTROY ANOTHER PLANET!
Infinite space
[info]frwilliams wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 11:07 am (UTC)
Of course there's another Earth out there. If space is infinite, doesn't that mean there must be an infinite number of them? As soon as we just accept that time and space is infinite we can get on with thinking about the important things in life, instead of wasting time, money and mental effort on worrying about the answer to life, the universe and everything - the answer is it's all bollocks anyway.
Comment on exo planets
[info]hd70642 wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 02:00 pm (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone came across this web site or read this book Frontiers of Propulsion Science,
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-02/aioa-nbf020209.php
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Phone: 703.264.7558 Fax: 703.264.7551 www.aiaa.org
Books and Magazine articles
Single stage to orbit
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Air and space smithsonian
page 44-50

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Absurd!
[info]smoothop8388 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 05:14 am (UTC)
wow, with all the problems in the world, all the hunger, the diseases, the horrors n' wars; I can't believe that this is the most commented on subject.. I thought only americans fantasize about aliens n' UFOs.. I guess "Star trek", "star wars", "ET", n' all have succeeded..

"I think it's inevitable that there are Earth-like planets out there. I suspect that every star we look at in the night sky has an Earth-like planet around it. We already know that most stars have planets"

Very scientific n' logical.. I can imagine a hundred years from now; when the whole world is living like sheep in the "new world order", there'll be UFO's attacking planet earth, n' we'll have our alleged star wars, who knows we could have something like al Qaida, or Saddam alien prototypes!
Absurd
[info]smoothop8388 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 05:15 am (UTC)
wow, with all the problems in the world, all the hunger, the diseases, the horrors n' wars; I can't believe that this is the most commented on subject.. I thought only americans fantasize about aliens n' UFOs.. I guess "Star trek", "star wars", "ET", n' all have succeeded..

"I think it's inevitable that there are Earth-like planets out there. I suspect that every star we look at in the night sky has an Earth-like planet around it. We already know that most stars have planets"

Very scientific n' logical.. I can imagine a hundred years from now; when the whole world is living like sheep in the "new world order", there'll be UFO's attacking planet earth, n' we'll have our alleged star wars, who knows we could have something like al Qaida, or Saddam alien prototypes!

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