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Warning: Oil supplies are running out fast

Catastrophic shortfalls threaten economic recovery, says world's top energy economist

By Steve Connor, Science Editor

The world is heading for a catastrophic energy crunch that could cripple a global economic recovery because most of the major oil fields in the world have passed their peak production, a leading energy economist has warned.

Higher oil prices brought on by a rapid increase in demand and a stagnation, or even decline, in supply could blow any recovery off course, said Dr Fatih Birol, the chief economist at the respected International Energy Agency (IEA) in Paris, which is charged with the task of assessing future energy supplies by OECD countries.

In an interview with The Independent, Dr Birol said that the public and many governments appeared to be oblivious to the fact that the oil on which modern civilisation depends is running out far faster than previously predicted and that global production is likely to peak in about 10 years – at least a decade earlier than most governments had estimated.

But the first detailed assessment of more than 800 oil fields in the world, covering three quarters of global reserves, has found that most of the biggest fields have already peaked and that the rate of decline in oil production is now running at nearly twice the pace as calculated just two years ago. On top of this, there is a problem of chronic under-investment by oil-producing countries, a feature that is set to result in an "oil crunch" within the next five years which will jeopardise any hope of a recovery from the present global economic recession, he said.

In a stark warning to Britain and the other Western powers, Dr Birol said that the market power of the very few oil-producing countries that hold substantial reserves of oil – mostly in the Middle East – would increase rapidly as the oil crisis begins to grip after 2010.

"One day we will run out of oil, it is not today or tomorrow, but one day we will run out of oil and we have to leave oil before oil leaves us, and we have to prepare ourselves for that day," Dr Birol said. "The earlier we start, the better, because all of our economic and social system is based on oil, so to change from that will take a lot of time and a lot of money and we should take this issue very seriously," he said.

"The market power of the very few oil-producing countries, mainly in the Middle East, will increase very quickly. They already have about 40 per cent share of the oil market and this will increase much more strongly in the future," he said.

There is now a real risk of a crunch in the oil supply after next year when demand picks up because not enough is being done to build up new supplies of oil to compensate for the rapid decline in existing fields.

The IEA estimates that the decline in oil production in existing fields is now running at 6.7 per cent a year compared to the 3.7 per cent decline it had estimated in 2007, which it now acknowledges to be wrong.

"If we see a tightness of the markets, people in the street will see it in terms of higher prices, much higher than we see now. It will have an impact on the economy, definitely, especially if we see this tightness in the markets in the next few years," Dr Birol said.

"It will be especially important because the global economy will still be very fragile, very vulnerable. Many people think there will be a recovery in a few years' time but it will be a slow recovery and a fragile recovery and we will have the risk that the recovery will be strangled with higher oil prices," he told The Independent.

In its first-ever assessment of the world's major oil fields, the IEA concluded that the global energy system was at a crossroads and that consumption of oil was "patently unsustainable", with expected demand far outstripping supply.

Oil production has already peaked in non-Opec countries and the era of cheap oil has come to an end, it warned.

In most fields, oil production has now peaked, which means that other sources of supply have to be found to meet existing demand.

Even if demand remained steady, the world would have to find the equivalent of four Saudi Arabias to maintain production, and six Saudi Arabias if it is to keep up with the expected increase in demand between now and 2030, Dr Birol said.

"It's a big challenge in terms of the geology, in terms of the investment and in terms of the geopolitics. So this is a big risk and it's mainly because of the rates of the declining oil fields," he said.

"Many governments now are more and more aware that at least the day of cheap and easy oil is over... [however] I'm not very optimistic about governments being aware of the difficulties we may face in the oil supply," he said.

Environmentalists fear that as supplies of conventional oil run out, governments will be forced to exploit even dirtier alternatives, such as the massive reserves of tar sands in Alberta, Canada, which would be immensely damaging to the environment because of the amount of energy needed to recover a barrel of tar-sand oil compared to the energy needed to collect the same amount of crude oil.

"Just because oil is running out faster than we have collectively assumed, does not mean the pressure is off on climate change," said Jeremy Leggett, a former oil-industry consultant and now a green entrepreneur with Solar Century.

"Shell and others want to turn to tar, and extract oil from coal. But these are very carbon-intensive processes, and will deepen the climate problem," Dr Leggett said.

"What we need to do is accelerate the mobilisation of renewables, energy efficiency and alternative transport.

"We have to do this for global warming reasons anyway, but the imminent energy crisis redoubles the imperative," he said.

Oil: An unclear future

*Why is oil so important as an energy source?

Crude oil has been critical for economic development and the smooth functioning of almost every aspect of society. Agriculture and food production is heavily dependent on oil for fuel and fertilisers. In the US, for instance, it takes the direct and indirect use of about six barrels of oil to raise one beef steer. It is the basis of most transport systems. Oil is also crucial to the drugs and chemicals industries and is a strategic asset for the military.

*How are oil reserves estimated?

The amount of oil recoverable is always going to be an assessment subject to the vagaries of economics – which determines the price of the oil and whether it is worth the costs of pumping it out –and technology, which determines how easy it is to discover and recover. Probable reserves have a better than 50 per cent chance of getting oil out. Possible reserves have less than 50 per cent chance.

*Why is there such disagreement over oil reserves?

All numbers tend to be informed estimates. Different experts make different assumptions so it is under- standable that they can come to different conclusions. Some countries see the size of their oilfields as a national security issue and do not want to provide accurate information. Another problem concerns how fast oil production is declining in fields that are past their peak production. The rate of decline can vary from field to field and this affects calculations on the size of the reserves. A further factor is the expected size of future demand for oil.

*What is "peak oil" and when will it be reached?

This is the point when the maximum rate at which oil is extracted reaches a peak because of technical and geological constraints, with global production going into decline from then on. The UK Government, along with many other governments, has believed that peak oil will not occur until well into the 21st Century, at least not until after 2030. The International Energy Agency believes peak oil will come perhaps by 2020. But it also believes that we are heading for an even earlier "oil crunch" because demand after 2010 is likely to exceed dwindling supplies.

*With global warming, why should we be worried about peak oil?

There are large reserves of non-conventional oil, such as the tar sands of Canada. But this oil is dirty and will produce vast amounts of carbon dioxide which will make a nonsense of any climate change agreement. Another problem concerns how fast oil production is declining in fields that are past their peak production. The rate of decline can vary from field to field and this affects calculations on the size of the reserves. If we are not adequately prepared for peak oil, global warming could become far worse than expected.

Steve Connor, Science Editor

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Oh dear...
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Sunday, 2 August 2009 at 11:59 pm (UTC)
And with Obama applying his Israeli guided threats once again to Iran, it doesn't bode well for any of us.

But something that has always, always been ducked as an issue:

Just how much fuel is being wasted in our futile crusades in the Middle East and elsewhere?

Think about how much fuel these helicopters, drones, 4 wheel drives, armoured trucks and lorries all consume plus the logistics, "leisure facilities" and their use is immensely damaging environmentally, on the obverse the "evil" Taleban use far more efficient Toyota's which at least have a modicum of fuel economy versus the 6 mpg Hummer.

So another cause to abandon the unwinnable war in Afghanistan, without the need to waste all those billions of litres of fuel, it would at least put a brake on our approaching disaster.
Re: Oh dear...
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:43 am (UTC)
As I wrote in my book three years ago, we can be fairly certain the last of the oil will be used fighting [futile] wars to secure the last of the oil.

Governments are incapable of responding appropriately to the peak oil crisis, to the climate change crisis, to the food crisis, or to the envronmental crisis, since most politicians are sociopaths who are in the pockets of multinational corporations -mostly connected to oil, banking, agrichemicals and weapons manufacture.
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Global Oil Production Peaked in 2008
[info]cjwirth wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:28 am (UTC)
According to most independent sources, global oil production peaked in 2008. The IEA is NOT an independent agency, as it tends to speaks for global oil interests.

Global crude oil production had been rising briskly until 2004, then plateaued for four years. Because oil producers were extracting at maximum effort to profit from high oil prices, this plateau is a clear indication of Peak Oil.

Then in July and August of 2008 while oil prices were still very high, global crude oil production fell nearly one million barrels per day, clear evidence of Peak Oil (See Rembrandt Koppelaar, Editor of "Oil Watch Monthly," page 1).

Credit for accurate Peak Oil predictions (within a few years) goes to the following (projected year for peak given in parentheses):

* Association for the Study of Peak Oil (2007)

* Rembrandt Koppelaar, Editor of “Oil Watch Monthly” (2008)

* Tony Eriksen, Oil stock analyst and Samuel Foucher, oil analyst (2008)

* Matthew Simmons, Energy investment banker, (2007)

* T. Boone Pickens, Oil and gas investor (2007)

* U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (2005)

* Kenneth S. Deffeyes, Princeton professor and retired shell geologist (2005)

* Sam Sam Bakhtiari, Retired Iranian National Oil Company geologist (2005)

* Chris Skrebowski, Editor of “Petroleum Review” (2010)

* Sadad Al Husseini, former head of production and exploration, Saudi Aramco (2008)

* Energy Watch Group in Germany (2006)

* Fredrik Robelius, Oil analyst and author of "Giant Oil Fields" (2008 to 2018)

Oil production is now declining terminally.

Within a year or two, it is likely that oil prices will skyrocket as supply falls below demand. OPEC cuts could exacerbate the gap between supply and demand and drive prices even higher.
Re: Global Oil Production Peaked in 2008
[info]ricardo_maxwell wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 11:36 am (UTC)
Does a genius like you understand the difference between production and what actually remains in the ground because of geo-political resaons and crazy zealot left wing enviro-Nazis?
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[info]miker55 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:29 am (UTC)
Now that the U.S. is fighting three wars (two unwinnable) instead of one, please refresh me about what was it that you limies hated so much about Bush?
The great GW
[info]geo32 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 08:56 am (UTC)
To put it simply G W Bush was a knobhead
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GW Bush - [info]jack_dawes - Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:04 pm (UTC) Expand
a knobhead eh - [info]akmarkus - Monday, 3 August 2009 at 04:02 pm (UTC) Expand
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'be happy, think positive'
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:32 am (UTC)
'global production is likely to peak in about 10 years'

Firstly, oil is not produced, it is extracted. The earth produces oil at an extremely slow [geological] rate compared to the insane rate at which we are using it ..... around 84 million barrels a day, down from a peak of 87 million barrels a day.

Secondly, it's a nice line, but it does not match the facts. Global extraction of light sweet crude peaked in 2005, and absolute peak of extraction almost certainly occured between 2005 and 2008.

Desperation attempts to prop up the system (tar sands, deep water etc.) are unlikely to compensate for loss of extraction from old oil fields, such as Cantarell, which is now experiencing double digit annual depletion.

Thirdly, since we are headed for an abrupt climate change event (due to massively excessive emissions, very much related ot the use of oil), the last thing we need is an economic recovery that spurs increased oil use and increased emissions.

So here we are, falling off the energy cliff and headed into enviornmental catstrophe, with clowns and criminals in control, squandering one of the most precious substrances we have on futile wars and the construction of white elephants, such as the absurd Olympic venue.

The crux of peak oil is, of course, that there can be NO economic growth with a declining energy supply. And a little further down the track the industrialised food production system, which is totally dependent on cheap oil, will collapse, either rather slowly, or very rapidly -we just don;lt know..

Governments totally ignore all these issues.

It all goes to show what many of us have been sating for a long time: mainstream culture is completely insane and we are headed for a series of catastrophe of almost unimaginable proportions.

However, in the culture of 'be happy, think positive', reality rarely gets a mention.
Re: 'be happy, think positive'
[info]beauxdog wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:49 am (UTC)

No wonder the UK lost the War with the Colonies, your a bunch of whinny, sissies, that buy into the "War are Unwinnable", and the Al Gore Climate Change hoax...I guess that's why we had an American in charge of WWII cause the rest of you would just give up....and don't even get me started on WWI....bunch of whining pansies!
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And all this time I thought...
[info]kidshare wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:36 am (UTC)
And all this time I thought peak oil was back in the early 70s...now it's 2020?

Anyone believe the earth just kinda churns out crude all by itself, fossil or not?
Re: And all this time I thought...
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 01:22 am (UTC)
The 1970 peak was the peak of lower 48 state USA, correctly predicted by M King Hubbert in 1956. The extraction of from Alaska gave the US a second chance, which it squandered.

It's off the cliff from here onwards.

'Anyone believe the earth just kinda churns out crude all by itself, fossil or not?'

Only non-scientists and hope freaks.
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Belief
[info]epete22 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:39 am (UTC)
It is said to say that the people just don't believe the media anymore. This was the excuse for the last hike in oil prices while the whole world knew the wall street traders are the ones that manipulated the prices. But the media just keept reporting that the cause is price spike was because of a shortage like good little propaganda agents. Your time is coming, we can only take so much of your lies.
no biggie
[info]jjobamaman wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:42 am (UTC)
Brazil just found a ton of oil off their coast...
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47265
and...
http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=10677726

This is just more "Global Warming / Climate Change" BS!!

Whatever, yawn.
Re: no biggie
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 01:32 am (UTC)
Yep.

And it is estimated it will take them at lest 30 years to get it out, since it is several kilometres underwater in the middle of the Atlantic, which gives and EROEI of perhaps 5 or 8 .... rather different from the EROEI of 100 that the present industrial civilisation is founded on.

Don't yawn for too long because the supermarket shelves will be emptying soon.

Actually I jest, because we do need a die-off, since the world has an excess population of around 5 billion who are only alive because of cheap oil.

So actually it's better for those of us who want to get through all this if you stay asleep.
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Oil Reserves yes or no!
[info]jackolantyrn356 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:44 am (UTC)
Frankly, I'm to the point of having to ask who made the report and has he made reports with gross erroprs before. And what reason would he financially want to mis-report an important event. Sorry, but I can no longer trust a report to be honest or just another Leftist Lie.
I own a beautiful Antique report which set down the events of IGY 57, (International Geophyisical Year 1957. The thing was so famous it made lots of entriesin the Comic Books of the late 1950s. I took a reliable figure from this report and started working on it over the years. There should be 800 years worth of oil above Europe and some 1600 years off the coast of Amereica, Of course America has never used any of it and paid dopuble or triple for the gasoline we did use.
Re: Oil Reserves yes or no!
[info]shegelu wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 10:09 am (UTC)
Leftist lie? Interesting choice of words. Where did this term "leftist" come from? I've been trying to figure out who it refers to. Are you talking perhaps about the Communists, Maoists, Trotskyists, neo-Trotskyists, crypto-Trotskyists, union leaders, Communist union leaders, atheists, agnostics, long-haired weirdos, and short-haired weirdos?
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More oil than we can ever use-
[info]dwlieber wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:49 am (UTC)
The Sky is falling. CO2 causes global warming. We are running out of oil. Please... If you don't want to buy this kind of thinking try reading about real science look up Thomas Gold....and many other top scientists about Oil, CO2 and man made global warming.... Please open your eyes....WE are being fed large helpings of cow patties.... ....Sorry guys I quite buying a long time ago.... The truth will set you free.............
Oil Boom Ending?
[info]nickatdabeach wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:49 am (UTC)
Typical economist, typically wrong. There's more oil yet to be discovered than we have consumed in the last 100 years. Please put a ballgag and cuffs on this creepy Dr. Birol, keep him away from sharp objects.
Re: Oil Boom Ending?
[info]martinhanson wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 01:43 am (UTC)
How do you know that "There's more oil yet to be discovered than we have consumed in the last 100 years", if it hasn't yet been discovered? A perfect example of people's inability to distinguish between hopes and thoughts. As Uton Sinclair put it:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something if his salary depends on his not understanding it".
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Don't drink the Kool-Aid, boneheads
[info]justjoeindenver wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:50 am (UTC)
Idiots. The entire oil "spike" last year was caused by greedy speculators looking to exploit one of the remaining markets that they haven't burst already. Corporate power is waning and the powers that be are freaking out. Remain calm, and enjoy your view from the restaurant at the end of the universe folks. Stop spending money and see how quickly the veils fall.
Re: Don't drink the Kool-Aid, boneheads
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Running out of Oil
[info]jumo004 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:50 am (UTC)
This piece is so laughable that it is either a hoax or the author was told to write something to cause panic on a slow day of selling papers.
I have been in the Oil/Natural gas business all of my adult life. I can tell you this: We've only found about one tenth of what's available. The United States alone has enough reserves to be energy independent for centuries to come.
If you still believe the myth that oil was made by decomposing dinosaurs or vegetation you are so behind the times. Our planet makes oil and it has never stopped making oil. Oil is a fundamental element of the earth just like water, methane, carbon dioxide, oxygen, iron, etc.
Stop the panic mongering.
Re: Running out of Oil
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 01:43 am (UTC)
Do you see how ridiculous your statement is?

'We've only found about one tenth of what's available.'

How do you know it's available if you haven't found it?

Why has the US been importing ever more oil as its indigenous extraction falls if it is awash with local oil?

Oil geologists doi not say oil came from dinosaurs of vegetation. they say it came from algal blooms tens of millions of yeara go.

Water. methane etc. are not elements

For someone who has been in the oil industry your level of ignorance of basic chemistry and geology is truly astounding.

Your statements make no sense whatsoever.
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Re: Running out of Oil - [info]kentwbetts - Monday, 3 August 2009 at 03:53 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Running out of Oil - [info]jumo004 - Monday, 3 August 2009 at 11:25 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Running out of Oil - [info]jumo004 - Monday, 3 August 2009 at 11:29 am (UTC) Expand
Birol is a ......
[info]nickatdabeach wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:51 am (UTC)
Bet Birol is a bigmouth on global warming warnings too huh? DRILL BABY DRILL.
Re: Birol is a ......
[info]cjauregui10 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 04:12 pm (UTC)
Peak Oil! Permanent and accelerating decline in oil production world-wide is now confirmed! This is indeed good news for the planet! This obviates the need for Cap&Trade fees and carbon-offset taxes. We are home free, folks. The planet is saved by a geological quirk of nature. Using "the rule of 72", a decline rate over 6 percent means we will reduce global oil consumption by half in less than 12 years! That means reducing today's oil consumption from 84 million barrels per day to 42 million barrels by 2020! Everyone will meet their Kyoto targets without even trying! Aggressive environmental political action got the job done. A side benefit is that liberals have finally pounded the environmental stake into the heart of capitalism and our industrial production is also in permanent decline. We have attained heaven on earth and peace in our time. Today is "VOC Day" (Victory Over Capitalism). We should all rejoice and dance in the streets. The deed is done.
running out of oil - NOT!
[info]mspeachy123 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:51 am (UTC)
The Saudi's have been stockpiling excess oil (from a gi-normous find in their oil fields) in their tankers off the gulf (read that in the Economist about a month ago - a wonderful magazine), holding it until the price goes up again. Fear-mongering is what the article is all about. It is a lie. There is plenty of oil in the world...America too. Maybe its time to think alternative energy. Every home ought to have two or three solar panels anyway which would help get the majority off the "grid". And really, isn't time to allow the technology to produce cold fusion energy to take up where the "oil shortage" falls short.

I once read that there is so much energy in harnessing supercooled helium 3 that a theoretical pick-up (a truck) load of moon rocks (which are full of helium-3) could power the entire world's energy needs for at least 10 years (non-polluting I might add).

The public is not as dumb as it used to be. Are we to all bow to British Petro?
Re: running out of oil - NOT!
[info]billdavy1949 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 09:36 am (UTC)
Helium is very light and escapes the earth's atmosphere. It is indeed a strategic material because of this.

It is also chemically very inert so forms compounds very reluctantly. It is a noble gas.

So, on which mood do you imagine this helium exists? Not ours for sure; it has no atmosphere.

And whoever said education was failing was hopelessly optimistic.
Oil Reserves
[info]daileyb wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:52 am (UTC)
This author should familiarize himself with Julian Simon. Simon's work has demonstrated that human ingenuity has always outpaced natural resource scarcity. (In fact, he won a bet with John Holdren, the alleged scientist, who is Obama's chief science advisor.) The warnings about the exhaustion of oil reserves have been made many times in the past and have always proven wrong. Currently natural gas reserves have effectively been increased substantially by new drilling techniques.

JD
Re: Oil Reserves
[info]zakalwe2008 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 06:42 pm (UTC)
So... you, and he, basically believe in infinite resources?

Good luck with that. Past results are not indicative of future performance. By the way, the previous prognostications on peak oil were proven true e.g. the peaking of the US lower 48 states, or the North Sea and Indonesia. You may go back to sleep now.
Re: Oil Reserves - [info]ocschwar - Monday, 3 August 2009 at 08:15 pm (UTC) Expand
LOL - Try Again
[info]smaypower wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:56 am (UTC)
It looks like all they are doing is trying to get prices to go up again. Nice Try. If supplies are running out then maybe we should start drilling off the cost of the Carolinas which we should do anyway.
What A Bunch Of Garbage!
[info]beauxdog wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 12:56 am (UTC)
Get a Grip! With more than half of the areas that hold huge potential reserves currently off limits due to government restrictions due to the whims of the eco-Nazis we've only scratched the surface of potential reserves. My guess is that this is just another attempt to run the price of oil up so governments will subsidize the mythical Green Energy with our tax dollars. If you believe anything that come out of Paris, or Washington DC I’ve got some ocean front property in Colorado I’d like to sell you. Brazil, the Dakota' Billiions of Barrels Found! No telling what's in Alaska, and the East and West Coast! And don't get me stared on the Global Warming Junk Scienc!
Plenty of oil..
[info]txgunnut wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 01:07 am (UTC)
We have plenty of oil for many decades, not to mention hundreds of years worth of coal we're not using... The whole article centers around that last paragraph... "Gorebull Warming"... folks, the weather changes... it has for millions of years... sometimes it's warmer, sometimes it's cooler... right now, temperatures are declining and have been for a couple of decades... someday they'll warm up again...

Don't sweat the weather... sweat the socialism these liberal nutcases are pedaling..
Re: Plenty of oil..
[info]grautr wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 03:27 pm (UTC)
have you got charts, figures or references for this statement?

and how many shovel fulls of coal is your car going to run on?
Peak oil? Don't make me luagh.
[info]ajr_journal wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 01:08 am (UTC)
I have lived through more of these "catastrophic" predictions than I can remember. They are ALWAYS wrong. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, buy these predictions have never panned out.
The truth is that 95% of the known oil in the world is controlled by state-owned oil companies. These inept, corrupt brain dead bureaucrats couldn't find oil if they were floating in the middle of an oil lake. There is simply no way to measure the amount of oil in the world, as we just keep finding more of it everyday.
Oil today is about $65 per barrel and you can get all you want for that price.
Natural Gas
[info]orangepoke wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 01:09 am (UTC)
I sincerely hope the world quickly runs out of oil. Then maybe natural gas will have its day. Natural gas the clean enviromently friendly fuel which is abundant and cheap.
Oil Supplies
[info]mazutman1 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 01:09 am (UTC)
B**L S##T
The Sky is Falling
[info]dannitt10 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 01:10 am (UTC)
Oh my, the sky is falling - 40 years ago I was sitting in elementary school and the teacher was telling us we only had oil for 10 more years. As the article points out, huge oil reserves are available but junk science is preventing the use of those reserves. Moreover, in the United States we abandoned the cleanest and most economical replacement for oil, coal and gas for electrical power generation - Nuclear - because we have morons like Al Gore and Barack Obama running our government. There are great answers out there for our energy needs for the next 50 years, but junk scientists like Al Gore are saying no to it and making fortunes in the process. By the way the good answers are not solar or wind power.
oil running oit? again?
[info]redcliffe62 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 01:12 am (UTC)
the labour party advised scotland that the oil would run out in the 1980's. peter walker honestly admittted scotland would be very rich if not tied to wastemonster. he just did not publicise it too much!
so with oil running out SOON not worth the hassle of going independent. an oil fund wheteher within or outside the united kingdom was merited then and even more now. alaska is not independent, alberta is not independent, yet they have some control of their own resources. as they should in any federal style arrangement.
calman claimed it was all too hard, but clearly these clever americans and canadians managed to do it years ago.
as of now over half the oil remains and still can be removed, and if price goes up more fields can be developed and explored. supply and deman, don't you just love it.
kuwait and scotland have fairly similar oil reserves, the reason the kuwaitis are richer however is that they do not have cyclops and darlink and their predecessors for the last 30 years looking after the finances.
Do you believe this? I have a bridge to Brooklyn For Sale...
[info]buckfarack wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 01:13 am (UTC)
There is much oil but the Liberal Socialists Democrats will not let the USA drill on American Lands. Nope. They are hell bent on giving our business to countries who do not have our best interest at heart. This story is the biggest plant ever. Sunday night. Destined to try to rock financial markets tomorrow. There is gazillions of barrels off the Coasts, in the Mountains and in Alaska in the United States. But Barack Hussien Obama and the Liberal Socialist Democratic Party will not all us to offer American companies the rights to drill. We could be drilling in months if the Economic Terrorist Community Organizer in Charge would rule by Executive Order. The President could ORDER the oil companies to start drilling. But he will not. Why? Because he kissed the ring of the Saudi King. I am sorry, you are right, he was bowing to the King. DRILL BABY DRILL YOU KEEP THE CHANGE PALIN 2012
Re: Do you believe this? I have a bridge to Brooklyn For Sale...
[info]areuforeal wrote:
Monday, 17 August 2009 at 07:56 am (UTC)
well to make your point stronger you could refer to all the Onshore drilling that your previous president Bush allowed and made available to the oil companies. especially when going in to save Kuwait the huge cry from all to open up all onshore oil reserves or potential fields would have saved so many American lives...I guess both side of American politics just don't want to become oil independent no matter what the cost.

capitilsism being what it is is that after the last price scare of over $150 a barrel that all those oil companies with big reserves or potential new fields held their nerve knowing that they will get a better price in the future. wow to have their composure
The sky is falling the sky is falling!
[info]turkey_lurkey wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 01:13 am (UTC)
Some one better go tell Turkey-Lurky, Chicken Liken, and Henny-Penny so they can go tell Foxy-Loxy who really knows how to deal with the problem!!! And we better give up the war on the terrorists who have vowed to destroy us if we don't convert because in defending ourselves we are destroying the planet that was supposed to be out of oil by, what was it? about 1970... which was about the time we were supposed to be descending into the throws of another ice age...
I say drill here, drill now, pay less... and get as energy independent as possible as fast as possible!
Re: The sky is falling the sky is falling!
[info]horse_sense_1 wrote:
Monday, 3 August 2009 at 07:17 am (UTC)
Please Al Gore I plead with you...please...please explain how the last
ice age ended due to mega global warming 10,000 years ago!!!
That warming was so strong it melted 4 mile thick glaciers over
Chicagoland and gave birth to the great lakes.

Who caused THAT global warming? Man? Animals? Sun?
Yap it had to be Sun since man had not invented fire yet.
Re: The sky is falling the sky is falling! - [info]jaffgyp - Monday, 3 August 2009 at 08:16 am (UTC) Expand
Re: The sky is falling the sky is falling! - [info]cjauregui10 - Monday, 3 August 2009 at 02:23 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: The sky is falling the sky is falling! - [info]writersbloc0607 - Monday, 3 August 2009 at 02:45 pm (UTC) Expand
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