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World's most ancient race traced in DNA study

By Steve Connor, Science Editor

The San people of southern Africa, who have lived as hunter-gatherers for thousands of years, are likely to be the oldest population of humans on Earth, according to the biggest and most detailed analysis of African DNA. The San, also known as bushmen, are directly descended from the original population of early human ancestors who gave rise to all other groups of Africans and, eventually, to the people who left the continent to populate other parts of the world.

A study of 121 distinct populations of modern-day Africans has found that they are all descended from 14 ancestral populations and that the differences and similarities of their genes closely follows the differences and similarities of their spoken languages.

The scientists analysed the genetic variation within the DNA of more than 3,000 Africans and found that the San were among the most genetically diverse group, indicating that they are probably the oldest continuous population of humans on the continent – and on Earth.

The study, published in the journal Science, took 10 years of research involving trips to some of the most remote and dangerous parts of Africa to collect blood samples. The project found modern Africans had the most diverse DNA of all racial groups in the world, confirming the idea that Africa is the birthplace of humanity, said Sarah Tishkoff of the University of Pennsylvania.

The scientists also found genetic "markers" in the DNA of the present-day inhabitants of East Africa living near to the Red Sea, which indicated that they belonged to the same ancestral group who migrated out of Africa to populate Asia and the rest of the world. West Africans speaking the Niger-Kordofanian language were found to share many genetic traits with African-Americans, indicating they were the ancestors of most of the slaves sent to the New World.

One of the main findings to emerge was the genetic similarity between groups who shared similar languages despite living many thousands of miles from one another. The Sandawe and Hadza of Tanzania shared common ancestors with the Khoisan speakers of southern Africa: all three groups speak "click" languages.

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ADAM and EVE were probably BLACK
[info]georgesign wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 06:33 am (UTC)
So Adam and Eve are not the white, good-looking, blonde haired couple that the church likes to portray. The Bible pushers will be choking on their corn flakes.
Re: ADAM and EVE were probably BLACK
[info]wer_wind_blows wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 09:42 am (UTC)
Is really annoying when they're portrayed that way.

In actual fact, it's most likely that by appearance they would have looked more mixed, as they would have the genetic information for every single ethnicity we see today within their DNA.

Kinda like if dark skin DNA was represented by AA-aa and light skin represented by BB-bb, Adam and Eve would likely have been AB-ab, having the potential to produce children of all ranges.

So those who are aware of this probably won't be choking on their cornflakes :p
Re: ADAM and EVE were probably BLACK
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Saturday, 2 May 2009 at 10:16 am (UTC)

Possibly. The fact to bear in mind is that, you can take any human race and place them in another environment and they will physically adapt accordingly. For example, if you took a African Sans tribal group to Norway, then after N generations (without marriage to native Norwegians), the migrant Sans descendants would become white skinned, blonde haired and blue eyed.

This is because our genes have sufficient programming to create all the physical characteristics of all the races on earth. This was the DNA coding embedded into Adam (and therefore Eve).
Re: ADAM and EVE were probably BLACK
[info]0pi0 wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 08:00 am (UTC)
Populations adapted to the conditions of the Far North aren't necessarily blond - not in my native Canada, anyway.
Re: ADAM and EVE were probably BLACK
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 10:47 am (UTC)

Yes you are right. I have worked in Norway. I thought most would be blonde but thats not the case. But I was giving a general case scenario of the adaptive capability in built into all of us.

Obviously, my explaination doesnt explain how you might get Chinese (Mongoliod) type traits. But that too will be with the instruction set of the DNA and something would cause it to trigger.
[info]0pi0 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 09:23 am (UTC)
Might still be good-looking, though
The San people
[info]frankyfingers wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 09:32 am (UTC)
I live in South Africa, and one thing I can testify to, is that the Bushmen (the Khoisan and other tribes under the category Bushmen) are amongst the most fascinating people you could have the honour to meet. You can see they've been around for a very, very long time. Just the way they seamlessly fuse with nature is a marvel on it's own. There is much we can learn from them.
They'll roam the deserts for days on end, and they'll find water in the most unlikely places. Something modern day man would not be able to do without his fancy tech equipment. It's just such a pity that the government of South Africa doesn't give them the credit they deserve.

I remember in the old days the military use to use them as trackers, and use to be treated like kings because of their uncanny gifts. Their senses are so honed, that they'd make the American Indians look like amateurs at tracking. They are so in sync with their surroundings it's incredible. Those gifts some of the Euro-African troops at that time learnt from them. Which explains why, even today, the South African Reconnaissance Commandos are still considered amongst the best Special Forces Units on this planet.
Re: The San people
[info]rmcbride05 wrote:
Thursday, 7 May 2009 at 02:56 pm (UTC)
The South African government also attempted to steal the intellectual property of the San. The San were and are able to travel for long distances in the dessert by eating a plant named Hoodia, which is a type of cactus. The South African army noticed this and the plant was researched by the S.A government who were able to isolate a novel compound that acted as a hunger suppressent. Obviously a natural appetite suppressent is possibly worth billions in our crazy body sized concious world. Thankfully the San won a legal battle to get a percentage of all profits made from the compound, and should be entilted to a lot of money in the future that can help secure their culture and social development. After all they have persecuted not only by the White S.A government but also the ANC.
Africa.
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 04:33 pm (UTC)
Between 5 to 10% of the average English genome has sub-Saharan African markers,passed down from Roman times and the Elizabethan English slave population.
D iz an N iz an A. Respect.
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 05:00 pm (UTC)
So how come the 'stayers' have a low IQ and the movers are significantly more intelligent. Is this Government propaganda - tell the Brits they don't exist - open borders - rainbow nation that's backward and savage. Note, this is already the case in our major urban areas.
Re: D iz an N iz an A. Respect.
[info]manplant wrote:
Saturday, 2 May 2009 at 10:39 am (UTC)
Since when have majoe urban areas been peacefull havens? If you look back in history, walking through an most English cities throught the ages would have been hazardous. You had to know where to go to avoid danger such as mugging, murder, pressgangs etc.
Re: D iz an N iz an A. Respect.
[info]fred8787686 wrote:
Saturday, 2 May 2009 at 12:33 pm (UTC)
Because they didn't have 40k years of glaciation or an environment with 4 distinct seasons to deal with.

The Ice Ages are important because they are the crucible for the hominids that left Africa.

Climate selected for all those traits that would make Europeans and Asians similar (both are derivatives of the Cro-Magnons-- Africans are not). Traits like, you know, like IQ, technology (the wheel, agriculture, clothing, writing, complex abstract thought, etc.) and hence the capacity to sustain large civilizations.

If your group split from the San, say, 100k years ago and traveled to West Africa (instead of going North), you didn't have glaciation or four seasons and your skin didn't get white because of lack of sunlight and milk drinking. Your body kept its fast-twitch muscles and high testosterone. You didn't farm, and you didn't need to worry about making clothes or about how you would survive through the winter. You didn't build civilizations-- or any of that stuff, because the climate was not there to put pressure on you to select for pre-frontal cortex instead of for traits better suited to being a hunter gatherer that lived in a small band in a perpetual summertime.

Ever wonder why calendars are the mark of an intelligent race? If it's perpetual summer on the savanna, you don't need one. Sub-Saharan Africans never made one. The Mayans however did, even though they are at roughly the same latitude. The Mayans, of course, had 30k years of evolution in Europe that Africans did not before they left for the Americas. But I digress.

Of all the people of the world, the San are second to last on IQ test scores, beating out only the Australian aborigines, a people even genetically older than they are, who left Africa before what would become Europeans and Asians left it. They spread their genes all over southern India and some parts of the Pacific, but did not spawn direct decedents as the San did, and they got cut off once they made it to Australia.


Re: D iz an N iz an A. Respect.
[info]el42 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 02:53 pm (UTC)
IQ tests are only designed to measure certain types of intelligence, and, do a rather poor job of even that. There are many types of intelligence. I see that you enjoy your supposed superiority, however, if you are basing it on IQ testing then it is not real nor is it accurate.

That might be so.
[info]brush5 wrote:
Saturday, 2 May 2009 at 10:37 am (UTC)
If you go back even more millions of years, we were all fish walking onto the beach on our fins. That doesn't mean we should interbreed.
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[info]famulla wrote:
Saturday, 2 May 2009 at 01:33 pm (UTC)
ADAM and EVE were probably BLACK NO MORE
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Re: The cream Fair and Lovely came into the market for the women.
[info]jaded63 wrote:
Saturday, 2 May 2009 at 07:41 pm (UTC)
'Independent Minds' is a nice concept, Indie, but don't you think replies such as the above could do with a teensy-eensy bit of monitoring, not to mention deleting?
Re: The cream Fair and Lovely came into the market for the women.
[info]famulla wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 03:18 am (UTC)
WE ARE PLEASED WIHT THE INDI AND THAT IS THE FREE MIND IF YOU WANT THE FREEDOM OF SPEACH THIS IS IT THE STORY IS AUTHTENTICATED AND NOT COOKED UP
My Allah help me. By Joe.
[info]famulla wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 08:45 am (UTC)
One of the main findings to emerge was the genetic similarity between groups who shared similar languages despite living many thousands of miles from one another. The Sandawe and Hadza of Tanzania shared common ancestors with the Khoisan speakers of southern Africa: all three groups speak "click" languages. The teeth held at one time and wind thrown out by force.
Now can we talk of Darwin too? He said we are from Apes; The African continent is full of Apes. So did Darwin make a hug hole in the talks and spoke to the apes and found out that these slave had the ancestors on the trees eating the bananas, talking in ?Clicks,? the movement of the tongue,
The truth is The Africans were sold as slaves in the ports of Zanzibar and Bagamoyo. These sites are still vivid and tourist comes to see these. Now if any one talks of Adam and Eve as Black, they know more that you too come from the same roots, if not different, if you follow Darwin, or you have used the whitening cream. Either way the theory of Adam and Eve is short of the colour. We have little knowledge and claim to know all. Then we may as well know and keep the zip tight and let the author dig up the truth, give this to us, we read and check it then comment. How can Adam and Eve be black? The suntan? On the other hand, they were made from the heavenly mud that is dust of colorless gold. I have no reply to the colour of Adam and Eve and rest my case here. My Allah help me. By Joe.
All we know is little.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
load of poppycock based on..
[info]tommytcg wrote:
Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 07:41 pm (UTC)
the false theory that humans evolved in Africa. What the governments dont want you to know is that we have a billion years of human history, that we are not of this planet, that the Universe teems with intelligent human life, and other life. Even today we have open contact with et, this goup having common ancestors with the white races. Go to www.theyfly.com for a re-education.
World's most ancient race
[info]levonet33 wrote:
Monday, 4 May 2009 at 04:34 am (UTC)
We know very litle about DNA in order to come to rhis conclusion.
DNA STUDY
[info]menmac wrote:
Sunday, 30 August 2009 at 08:48 pm (UTC)
I LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE VERY UNIQUE ABILITY TO BELIEVE OR JUSTIFY ANYTHING THAT WE WANT.IF YOU LOOK AROUND YOU JUSTIFICATION AND DENIAL ALL AROUND,I THINK THAT WHAT MAKES US HUMAN.THE VERY FACT THAT EUROPEANS(WHITE PEOPLE) BELIEVE THAT THE ADAM AND EVE OR EVEN THE BIBLE FOR THAT MATTER HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM IS PROOF OF THAT.IT SEEMS AS IF WHITE PEOPLE CREATE FACTS(OR REALITY) AND THEN INVENT CIRCUMSTANCES TO SUPPORT THEM.THERE WENT ANY WHITE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST AROUND THE TIME OF THE BIBLE "STORY" OR EVEN IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD, BUT YET THE CO OPTED THE RELIGION AND MADE GOD,ANGELS AND JESUS HIMSELF WHITE. THE EVEN USED THIS RELIGION (THEY STOLE) TO JUSTIFY SLAVERY OF THE ORIGINAL MAN.SO IT DOSE NOT MATER HOW MUCH SCIENTIST PROVES THESE THINGS WHITE PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT.

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