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Ancient royal tomb found in Scotland

Archaeologists stunned as dig unearths 4,000-year-old burial treasures unrivalled anywhere in Britain

By David Keys, Archaeology correspondent

A Bronze Age burial ritual similar to the Forteviot find

English Heritage

A Bronze Age burial ritual similar to the Forteviot find

Hidden beneath a four-ton slab of rock and surrounded by ancient carved symbols of prehistoric power, a spectacular high-status potentially royal tomb, dating back 4,000 years, has been discovered by archaeologists in Scotland.

The find – of international importance – is unique in Britain. The excavations at Forteviot, near Perth, have yielded the remains of an early Bronze Age ruler buried on a bed of white quartz pebbles and birch bark with at least a dozen personal possessions – including a bronze and gold dagger, a bronze knife, a wooden bowl and a leather bag.

The discovery has huge implications for Scottish history. Forteviot has long been known to have been a great royal centre in the early medieval period. It was a "capital" of a Pictish Kingdom in the 8/9th century AD – and one of Scotland's earliest kings, Kenneth MacAlpin, is said to have had a palace there.

But up until now nobody suspected that Forteviot's royal roots might be thousands of years older. The newly discovered prehistoric tomb is of particular importance because it lies at the very heart of Scotland's largest pre-historic ritual/religious ceremonial complex. The excavations are now revealing that back in around 2600 BC, local Neolithic people constructed a giant 250m diameter circle of 200 timber obelisks with a ceremonial processional way leading to its entrance and an inner timber circle at its centre. Each oak obelisk was up to a metre in diameter. Then, by 2400BC, a massive earthwork enclosure with a 10m wide, 3m deep moat was built inside that inner timber circle.

At roughly the same time two other similar earthwork enclosures – "henges" – were built, north of the large timber circle. And finally in around 2000BC the tomb was built underground in what was probably the most prestigious location – immediately opposite the entrance to the henge at the centre of the entire complex.

Uniquely, the tomb's stone wall, at the head end of the grave, was decorated with carvings of two bronze axes. What's more, the tomb's great 2m by 2m, four-ton stone roof was decorated with a much older carving of a probable Neolithic stone battle axe or ceremonial mace head – a fact which suggests that it was removed from an older monument specifically for use in this ultra-high-status prehistoric tomb.

The use of white quartz pebbles and white birch bark as bedding for the dead man may well have been seen as a way of helping to guarantee rebirth in the next world.

The excavation is being directed by Professor Stephen Driscoll and Dr Kenneth Brophy of the University of Glasgow and Dr Gordon Noble of the University of Aberdeen.

"The sheer size of the stone slabs used to construct the tomb, the extremely rare rock engraving, the rare preservation of the leather, wood and bark items and the high status location make this a find of both national and international importance," said prehistorian Dr Noble.

"In terms of preservation, location and scale, this tomb is unparalleled in Britain," he said.

The excavation is continuing on site – and in Edinburgh where archaeologists are examining large blocks of excavated earth from the tomb under laboratory conditions.

2000BC: A snapshot of prehistoric Britain...

*In 2000BC Stonehenge was in its heyday as a ritual centre.

*Society in Britain was becoming more hierarchical and the change brought a greater concentration of power in the hands of fewer people.

*It is likely that during this time Silbury Hill in Wiltshire, the world's greatest ancient man-made mound, was undergoing expansion to make it even more impressive.

*Gold extraction was in full swing in Ireland – much of it was being sent to Britain. Simultaneously there was a big increase in bronze production in Britain.

*Continental influence was increasing substantially in southern Britain.

... while in Egypt

*Ancient Egyptian civilisation was more than 1,000 years old by the time the Forteviot burial took place in Scotland.

*By 2000BC the Great Pyramid at Giza was, at more than 500 years old, already an ancient structure. The other great pyramids were completed by 2150BC.

*The world's first calendar, based on the timings of the Nile floods, had been used by Egyptians for more than 1,000 years. It split the year into 12 months and 365 days.

*Hieroglyphic writing had been developed at least 1,300 years earlier and by 2000BC ancient Egyptians used 800 different symbols.

*The successful mummification of bodies had been carried out for more than 500 years.

*The first Book of the Dead texts had been created to describe the Ancient Egyptian concept of the afterlife and to provide instructions on how the deceased could overcome obstacles to reach it.

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HISTORY NEEDS QUESTIONING
[info]georgesign wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 06:36 am (UTC)
Many inconvenient artefacts come to light that question the authenticity of conventional the historic time-line. An iron hammer with a petrified wooden handle was found in London. The hammer was sticking-out from 200 million year old rock. There are many discoveries that academia "secret" away so as not to disturb the "official" history of the World. Even the Sphinx is thousands of years older than we are led to believe and shows heavy markings from water erosion but Egyptologists will not let scientific tests be carried out. Lumps of coal have been broken open and inside gold jewellery has been found. There is a piece of rock, found 1968, that shows a shoe-print ( not a footprint) next to a trilobite extinct 300 million years ago. Darwin was only partially right. The World has had many high civilisations that have been destroyed by regular catastrophes.
Re: HISTORY NEEDS QUESTIONING
[info]wilox wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 08:33 am (UTC)
:-)

Are you suggesting that there were humans on earth 300 million years ago?
Re: HISTORY NEEDS QUESTIONING
[info]georgesign wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 09:28 am (UTC)
Who knows. Evidence is evidence. You can't just ignore it or do what the Smithsonian Institute was rumoured to have done by dumping "inconvenient" artefacts into the sea. in 1912 two electricity workers broke a large lump of coal and found an iron pot inside (witnesses and photographs). According to Robert O. Fay of the Oklahoma Geological Survey, the Wilburton mine coal in which the pot was found is about 312 million years old. There are many items like this if you look. Historians have too much of their lives invested in their conventional studies so they would rather ignore these strange anomalies. It's the same with Medicine and Science. The hierarchy who have too much to lose always resist. Once you could be executed for suggesting the Earth went round the Sun.
Re: HISTORY NEEDS QUESTIONING
[info]georgesign wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 09:35 am (UTC)
I did mean to say the Sun went round the Earth but .............
Re: HISTORY NEEDS QUESTIONING
[info]mountainman52 wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 10:50 am (UTC)
There are lots of rumours about what has been hidden in vaults, buried away, dumped at sea etc etc by the Smithsonian, British Museum and other museums because they present inconvenient "proofs". In some cases, blurry photos also exist or photos which often turn out to be staged, ie the alien autopsy photos and films. What makes these claims even harder to believe is that none of the "facts" offered by the authors of such books can be independently verified. Would they be proof of ancient civilizations if they existed? Not neccesarily. They could be proof of extraterrestrial visitation or even proof that in the future, time travel will become a way of observing history and might even become a new tourist industry. So, rather than making a bunch of claims that do not even relate to this article, why not celebrate it for what it is, another glimpse back in time. History does need to be revisited because what we know is based on interpretation of evidence and the more we find, the more detail we can see.
Re: HISTORY NEEDS QUESTIONING
[info]tomstreamer wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 11:01 am (UTC)
The Hammer Hoax has been widely documented as fake - the so called discoverer was a staunch creationist and has never allowed the evidence to be accurately and openly tested. The following link is a very good summary of the claim:

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/hammer.htm
Re: HISTORY NEEDS QUESTIONING
[info]hervicus wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 11:57 am (UTC)
Fascinating stuff. What are your sources for this information?
YOUR SANITY NEEDS QUESTIONING
[info]prof_use wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 06:43 pm (UTC)
There is no point in bringing up fake history and putting it in threads on an interesting article about a fascinating discovery. Just because somebody says a Top Shop pair of jeans were found in a quarry that is 200m years old does not mean that statement and piece of evidence carries the same weight as a properly investigated study.
Re: YOUR SANITY NEEDS QUESTIONING
[info]bader99 wrote:
Sunday, 16 August 2009 at 11:32 am (UTC)
A lot of the academic teachings are used as facts in all aspects and fields, not questioned even when you have clear proof that states otherwise, so your sanity needs questioning not the people who doubt or think differently from the academic BS
Re: HISTORY NEEDS QUESTIONING
[info]dnmurphy wrote:
Sunday, 16 August 2009 at 03:10 pm (UTC)
Where is this evidence ? I have never heard of it anywhere before.
Similarities in disparate communities
[info]barnabyk wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 07:49 am (UTC)
How did the idea of 'henges' spread so far around the Island? Also, how did the idea of pyramids spread around the world. It seems that ancient peoples were far better travelled than we are willing to admit. Either we accept that early civilisations were far more advanced than we currently accept or we start seriously considering lost advanced civilisations or even the idea of a collective unconscious.
Re: Similarities in disparate communities
[info]edwren wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 10:16 am (UTC)
Its a very small island and there were trade routes throughout Europe anyway. A tiered structure is the most stable if you building out of stone blocks. Ancient cultures lined monuments according to the cardinal points not because of a collective unconscious but because of the rising and setting of the sun which would explain them being square. You dont need mumbo jumbo crap to explain why they used the easiest form when building.
Re: Similarities in disparate communities
[info]dara123 wrote:
Sunday, 16 August 2009 at 12:14 am (UTC)
Am an American living in the Midwest and have found it fascinating for years that there is a "Woodhenge" right here in this part of the country and its description is very similar to this find. Other types of henges have been found in different parts of the country, too.
Re: Similarities in disparate communities
[info]edwren wrote:
Tuesday, 18 August 2009 at 11:13 pm (UTC)
Thats interesting. Doesn't convince me of universal consciouness though. Maybe within the program we operate we are constrained. we build pyramids because our brains are able to. we build henges and barrows in earlier times because that is what we do. Doesnt matter where we are we will always follow the same programming and come up with the same understanding and outlets.
The serpent is another one pops up everywhere in every age on every continent
Ignoring, OF COURSE...
[info]lairdy wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 08:47 am (UTC)
the fact that, by 2000BC, Skara Brae in Orkney was already over 1000 old! Scottish civilisation, of course, is considerably older than that of England ( where it would still be a good idea!)
There's another one in Wales
[info]ouldbob wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 09:34 am (UTC)
Seriously! Google Earth showed a severe disparity between the OS height measurement and the 'real' height generated by radar. It lies at the top of hill, the Twyn Y Glog, near Ynysybwl in Rhondda Cynon Taff. There are soakaways around the lower periphery, and a massive flat stone covers the entrance. All the locals know about it, but nobody bothers to excavate it, which is a pity, since it would be a wonderful find.
[info]edwren wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 09:48 am (UTC)
Way to piss on our bonfire! Did you have to bring up the Egyptians.
RE: Ignoring, OF COURSE...
[info]concerned1982 wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 10:21 am (UTC)


Scotland was not Scotland when Skara Brae was constructed, there were no Scots....to claim that the Scottish (who, if you know anything about ancient british history, came for Ireland) built the highly impressive Skara Brae, is akin to claiming that the English built Stone Henge!!
Re: Ignoring, OF COURSE...
[info]havre_de_grace wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 02:30 pm (UTC)
Only some of the modern population of Scotland would have ancestors who came from Ireland in Roman times. Others would have Pictish, Nordic and other strains. Most of todays Scots probably are mixtures of all these ancient strains. No reason to believe the descendants of Skara Brae inhabitants are not still with us.
Written by an Englishman was it?
[info]goatjuggler wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 10:23 am (UTC)
I'm laughing here but the whole of the end of the article was a put down. Yes, well done those Egyptians but if the Mesopotamians had had the same easy access to building stone then Egypt would be a footnote and the same is likely true of other bronze age cultures. It's fair to say their principle building material was wood and in this climate... heck only knows what we've lost, heart-breaking really. And the Neolithics had the same transport capability as the Romans and the Crusaders (the riding horse excluded) and they got about. We really do underestimate the capabilities of our ancestors.

Oh, as for there being picnics in the Paleozoic? I hear the Eifell tower's for sale; get in touch, I can get you a great deal for cash.
Re: Written by an Englishman was it?
[info]mountainman52 wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 11:34 am (UTC)
Ah, and the gold earring in a lump of coal does present a bit of a dilemna because studies show that the atmosphere in that era was in the 40%-60% CO2 range. So, if you follow the Global Warming theory of Al Gore, there must have been some heavy industry going on in the Devonian, Carboniferous and Permian eras. The earring prooves it. Of course, as some creationist theologians have stated, all forms of site dating are wrong and any evidence of any form of life before God created the universe in October 5000BC was put there by God to fool the non believers or by Satan to trap the weak.
Why the Egyptian timeline was deemed relevant to this find is beyond me. A short statement that this was post pyramid era would have sufficed to place it in perspective but even that was not needed. What was happening in the Isles at that time was separate from development anywhere else. They had to start from scratch. Mesopotamia, Egypt, Babylon followed in the footsteps of Ur, or so some have claimed and some 100,000 stone tablets purported to be from a library of sorts in Ur supposedly tell the stories which the Quoran, Bible, Torah and basically, all religions were derived along with a history of man and civilization going back thousands of years and supposedly copied from more ancient texts. None of which seems to be able to be verified except through the authors.
[info]dr_indijones wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 12:52 pm (UTC)
So are you saying that there is an element of truth in the latest Indiana Jones instalment in that the intelligence and advancement of the human race is not as recently chronological as the current history textbooks describe?
Hey... did they find something in Scotland?
[info]hamymac wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 06:16 pm (UTC)
Honestly... how hijacked can a thread be? There's some very interesting archaeology here and all you guys are interested in is conspiracy theories. Read the article again and check the relevance of your comments. It is a potentially fascinating and enlightening discovery.
Re: Hey... did they find something in Scotland?
[info]wise_athene wrote:
Friday, 14 August 2009 at 10:11 pm (UTC)
Well said, Hamymac. This is an interesting find. I wish the article had been more detailed about the actual discovery or had a link to a website with more information. I am curious - did they find the bones of who was in the grave? If a leather bag and birch bark are detectable then what other organic remains have been preserved?
The History Books Are Being Rewritten
[info]poddys wrote:
Saturday, 15 August 2009 at 07:14 am (UTC)
There are so many ancient discoveries being made these days that the history books do need rewriting, and many of the old writings from mankind's most ancient past need further studying and re-translation in light of modern technology.

Since it's evident that the further back you go in time, the more advanced his knowledge, it's very possible that there were more advanced civilisations prior to Egypt and Sumeria, possibly prior to the last ice age, but owing to the eons of time, practically everything has been eroded away.

Maybe, just maybe, something will be found to turn history upside down.
egyptian calandar
[info]mind_ful wrote:
Saturday, 15 August 2009 at 07:52 am (UTC)
An ancient egyptian calandar, based on lunar activity, could not have given rise to a 12 month calandar. There are 13 lunar months in a year of 28 days each) as seen in pregnancy, which takes exactly 10 lunar months. (hence people wrongly getting their dates mixed up as we have a roman-based solar calandar now). Any thing with water in it, tides, pregnancy, etc, will be in tune with the moon which regulates water on this planet, and therefore will have a lunar not a roman (12 month) cycle.
Carbon 14 is calibrated...
[info]sciencehistory wrote:
Saturday, 15 August 2009 at 06:05 pm (UTC)
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating#Calibration

Pyramids were built with concrete:
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article656117.ece

Also,
A linear approach, based on Physics(Astronomic dating) & Maths(Topological textual-analysis):
http://books.google.com/books?q=fomenko+history&btnG=Search+Books


[info]george0 wrote:
Saturday, 15 August 2009 at 07:24 pm (UTC)
It is usually the case that artifacts are discovered where good climate tends to assure their preservation. From this fact, court archaeologists declare the site of such findings to be the oldest in the world and the very origin of mankind or civilization, particularly if the declaration serves politically correct notions. All the bones dredged up in Africa have led these "scientists" to assert that Africa is the wellspring of human civilization, and the gullible take it in. This marvelous Scottish find begins to shake things up a bit, and it gives a lesson for us to keep on digging. It's likely at this point that really little known about ancient civilization, nor is it known how really ancient it is.
History needs questioning
[info]wmcraig wrote:
Saturday, 15 August 2009 at 07:46 pm (UTC)
How did those 'primitive people' in Peru depict accurate images of dinosaurs in their pottery?
If the great migration to North America took place 10,000 years ago via the Bering Bridge, then how did the "Kenniwick' man, a European get to the state of Washington. And what of the European "Red Paint" people of Maine? And the 13, 00 year old buildings in South America. One one hand the tell us that men of 100,000 years ago were just as smart as we are today. Then they say that they lived in caves, yet
know nothing of what happened 5,000 years ago! Earlier civilizations could have just as easily gone to
the moon, Mars, etc. And why not? Because it goes beyond conventional thought? As it has been said,
"think outside of the box".
Craig
Good G_D
[info]chorn46562 wrote:
Saturday, 15 August 2009 at 10:56 pm (UTC)
Is it that hard, in this digital age, to maybe put up some photos as well, I mean really, you tempt me with this wonderful story and not a photo or video of the tomb, treasures or even the area near it.
Why Egypt?
[info]dara123 wrote:
Sunday, 16 August 2009 at 12:21 am (UTC)
Was interested in this article because though an American I am of Scottish heritage and am very interested in the history of the the place and peoples. I see that others also posted remarks about the "facts" at the end of the article about Egypt. Seemed a bit strange to me in some ways, too.
Of course ther are government cover ups
[info]xring223 wrote:
Sunday, 16 August 2009 at 05:58 pm (UTC)
Have the skeletons of a caucasian Tall (giant) race and short (fairy) race been uncovered in New Zealand? Did the Maoris know about them and live together with them at one time, and do many of their legends talk about them? Is the evidence (in the form of skeletons, dwellings etc) being deliberately destroyed and kept from you by the New Zealand government, who has deemed it 'sensitive'?
(charges of racism are often levelled at anyone who mentions this stuff, but that would mean that the maori elders themselves are racist too, becuz this stuff is in their legends, and i am sure that the elders believe it is true. I think its racist to say the elders and nz legends are wrong, when it looks like there is evidence to back it up, personally.)
QUOTE BELOW:
In 2004, Member of Parliament, the Hon. Chris Carter, was asked, under an “official information” request, how many archaeological “embargoes” were presently in place. He forwarded a written response that there were 105 current embargoes, mostly concerning burial sites. It was stated that “DOC administers the New Zealand Archaeological Associations Central file ...of which, 105 ... were classified as sensitive records”. The response stated: “File keepers may create sensitive files ....if this is requested by the site recorder...”
One of these embargos of recent years included a 75-year suppression of information related to a cache of large stature skeletons at Waikaretu, 12-miles SSE of Port Waikato. The very tall people (measured to be 7-feet or more) were laid out on cut shelves in a cavern, which was exposed during road widening excavations. Anthropologists from Auckland and Waikato Universities were called in and, to the dismay and disgust of the roading contractors, they slapped a moratorium over the find, requiring that it be kept secret from the New Zealand public. Maurice Tyson of Tuakau, a contractor in the area for 50 years, recalls how this upset the men who had discovered the cave. They could not understand why such a valuable, history-changing, archaeological site should be kept secret. In 1988, archaeologist, Michael Taylor slapped an embargo on any release of information concerning the ancient, stacked stone structures in the Waipoua Forest, but that embargo was partially broken by a private citizen’s legal challenge after 8-years.


Original Post is http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread489677/pg1
Of course the "official" account is doctored, facts hidden
[info]leschwartz wrote:
Sunday, 16 August 2009 at 06:50 pm (UTC)
Check out;

1) Michael A. Cremo's books which prove many unexplainable artifacts suppressed and ignored
http://www.amazon.com/Michael-A.-Cremo/e/B000APJC1I

2) Lloyd Pye, humanities genetic inheritance record misconstrued -
http://www.amazon.com/Lloyd-Pye/e/B001JRVQIS/ref=sr_tc_img_2_0
http://www.youtube.com/user/OfficialLloydPye?view=videos

3) Michael Tellinger - Adam's calendar - 75,000 year old "henge" in South Africa
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_0_9?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=adam's+calendar&x=0&y=0&sprefix=Adam's+Ca

4) Zecharia Sitchin proof that the Sumerian culture which officially came instantly from the human stone age to the pinnacle of classical human society, had its origins in extraterrestrial contact and intervention
http://www.amazon.com/Zecharia-Sitchin/e/B000APVA3G/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1

None of these facts are "comfortable" for either the religious or the academic establishment and they will never admit to the truth, in my personal view, for them these alternative views undermine their influence and control over society.

Keep an open mind, read, investigate and consider before you make up your own mind.
Re: Of course the "official" account is doctored, facts hidden
[info]leschwartz wrote:
Sunday, 16 August 2009 at 07:54 pm (UTC)
On the debunking of the religious establishment;

Something here to offend nearly everyone ..

1) Acharya S is the pen name of D. M. Murdock - The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold
http://www.amazon.com/Acharya-S/e/B001UXZSBM/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1

2) Zeitgeist the Movie
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Pushes those Christian "hot buttons" like nothing else

3) David Livingstone - Terrorism and the Illuminati: A Three Thousand Year History
http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/content/complete-online-version
Online book also documents how Christianisty developed out of mithraism; a scholarly mini-tome.

4) Barry Chamish -debunking Israel's current leadership
http://www.amazon.com/Barry-Chamish/e/B001JOH086/ref=sr_tc_img_2_0
Nothing really good and concise yet on debunking the ancient religion of Judaism - nothing that clearly enough lays out how the Sumerian's and the Egyptians created the fiction of the ancient Hebrew people and got that all started.

I'll take a pass on equally offending Moslems at the moment. But if your looking for a really good religion, in harmony with our times and world environment check out Jainism, except the nudity part.
Re: Of course ther are government cover ups
[info]conniemt wrote:
Tuesday, 22 September 2009 at 03:07 pm (UTC)
It all comes down to human nature. Humans are egotistical. "If it doesn't apply to me, I'm not interested." We tend to be perfectly content to wallow in our own ignorance. There are, of course, exceptions, but they have always had a difficult time shouting above the prevailing hum of mediocrity.
Speaking to the article...
[info]michaelbix wrote:
Monday, 17 August 2009 at 05:18 pm (UTC)
Taking a rather out-of-flavour stand here, I'd like to address what's here in the article as presented by writer David Keys and editors.

First off, I like to ask why the subhead "English Heritage" is so prominently displayed with this story? I see no reference to England or the English in this article.

Secondly, I'd like to ask if there is any credibility whatever in suggesting that the Egyptians authored the "first" calendar? (I believe it's utterly dicey for any author or archaeologist to use the word "first" with respect to a find or human construct without appending the word "known"... as in "first-known.") And in the case of the Egyptians and calendars, I don't even believe that's true.

Third - there are seemingly some interesting parallels here with votive burials from various other Irish/UK sites through the millenia (ie. Lindow Man). Sometimes great ceremony and effort went into creating burial circumstances for an individual not because the person was so great (which he/she may also be), but because the death's occurrence and accompanying rituals were in propitiation against a natural circumstance: a plague, crop die-off, weather disaster, volcanic sun-blocking, tsunami or other cataclysm. I would (as some other posters) like to see a link to the researchers' own work, journal articles, photos of artifacts, site surveys, etc. Volcanic eruptions from Iceland and elsewhere, for instance, caused abrupt shifts in weather patterns between 8000 and 1000 BCE, and rapidly rising sea levels (and tsunamis) that must have absolutely unnerved people... as well as made life very, very hard for several generations in a row.

And lastly, the trade in gold and tin-for-bronze from Scotland/Ireland/Britain/Cornwall was not only to a domestic market in 2000-1500 BCE but also was highly stimulated by Phoenician traders making regular visits to both Ireland and several stops in Anglia/Pictish Alba or whatever else it might have been called at the times.

These people were not isolated hicks - no matter who is interpreting the "history." Set upon by frequent traumatic circumstances, they managed to keep recovering fairly well while sometimes being forced to turn upon one another when circumstances reduced food resources to almost zero. And, as another poster said, they nonetheless kept alive a spiritual culture of sophisticated monuments and calendrical/sun-following megaliths that still awe us... those which were not made of perishable wood and have utterly disappeared, that is.

Michael Cerulli Billingsley
Irish Spiritual Heritage Association

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