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Bishop 'urges gays to repent and be changed'

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A Church of England bishop urged homosexuals to "repent and be changed", it was reported today.

In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, The Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, said people who stray from traditional Bible teachings "do not share the same faith".

Dr Nazir-Ali spoke after more than half a million people, including the Prime Minister's wife Sarah Brown, took to the streets of London yesterday to celebrate gay culture at the annual Pride festival.

His controversial comments also come ahead of the launch in the UK and Ireland of the Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans, a coalition of conservative parishes from around the world.

The evangelical group, which campaigns against active homosexuality in the Anglican communion, counts Dr Nazir-Ali among its supporters.

The bishop, who is stepping down from his post in September, told the newspaper: "We want to uphold the traditional teaching of the Bible. We believe that God has revealed his purpose about how we are made.

"People who depart from this don't share the same faith. They are acting in a way that is not normative according to what God has revealed in the Bible.

"The Bible's teaching shows that marriage is between a man and a woman. That is the way to express our sexual nature.

"We welcome homosexuals, we don't want to exclude people, but we want them to repent and be changed."

He added: "We want to hold on to the traditional teaching of the Church. We don't want to be rolled over by culture and trends in the Church. We want a movement for renewal. We need a reformation of the Church and the life of the Communion."

Derek Munn, director of public affairs for gay rights group Stonewall, criticised Dr Nazir-Ali's comments.

He told the paper: "It is unfortunate that in 2009, a church leader should continue to promote inequality and intolerance.

"Stonewall knows that most people of faith are accepting of lesbian and gay people. We also know that many lesbian and gay people who are themselves religious believers are not well served by some of those who claim to speak on their behalf."

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Welcome, Dr. Nazir-Ali
[info]francisking wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 08:27 am (UTC)
I also welcome Dr. Nazir-Ali, but I want him to repent and be changed.

Mumbo jumbo
[info]timspooner wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 08:46 am (UTC)
"What God has revealed in the Bible". Its about time this bogus stone age nonsense was consigned to the same rubbish bin as Flat Earth and Creationism. People should turn their back on the various churches and watch them wither away.
Do like your frock, though!
[info]chiennoir wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)
" We believe that God has revealed his purpose about how we are made." Oh, so Natural Selection had nothing to do with it then.
[info]andyfrance wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:29 am (UTC)
Good on Dr Nazir-ali speaking out, homosexuality is imoral and wrong it is not normal behaviour, PC Goverments need to stop promoting it is ok to be "gay". We see so much in society today and on tv programes, emmerdale,coranation street,hollyoaks,eastenders, all have homosexual characters in as though it is normal and ok! God shall be the judge in this immoral behaviour.
You can't spell
[info]felipe_segundo wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 10:12 am (UTC)
or use grammar correctly. Please learn to do so before pontificating further.
You are joking aren't you?
[info]fourpie wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 10:52 am (UTC)
I can't believe that you did not deliberately write what you did, just to get a reaction. With the ever growing population of humans remaining the biggest threat to this planet, homosexuality carries no risk whatasoever of adding to the threat. Who could deny individuals the right to enjoy their own bodies in whatever way they choose, that is non-threatening to others. It is no-one else's business but theirs.
Immorality is about how you treat others, with fat cat greed and selfishness high up the list. Good Old Dr. Nazir indeed.
Which "God" would that be then?
[info]abs1978 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:37 pm (UTC)
Please, I'd like to know, as there are quite a few Sky fairies that deluded Human's worship (you included).
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:16 pm (UTC)

I agree - It's all homosexuality in the media, day-in, day-out.

Its an illness, which is sad, but its the act of homosexual sex that's the sin.

When the embryo is developing, physical gender assignment occurs. But along side the physical assignment, is the preparation of parts of the brain that relate to future sexual activation. When there is this mis-alignment between the physical attributes and the processing of sexual orientation, this is where it all goes wrong.

Correctable or not, using drugs or any other alternatives, I dont know.
Disgraceful comments...
[info]abs1978 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 08:15 pm (UTC)
This type of comment only highlights how pathetic, childish and above all dangerous those of a religious tilt are. Discriminating on ground of sexual orientation has no place in a modern secular society.
dis-proportionate access to the media
[info]pete_emerson wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:33 am (UTC)
Here in the UK, we live in a broadly liberal and tollerant society. There will always be those who hold views different from others, and I for one am happy for people to express their views whether they are in line with my own or not. What I am taking issue with here is the disporportionate access that religious leadership have to media exposure given the reduced proportion of the population that they represent.
*Yawns and repeats well known mantra...*
[info]incey wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:46 am (UTC)
'Traditional teachings' - hmmm, so the Bish ensures that he is not wearing clothes that mix materials, believes that those who eat meat on fridays should be stoned to death and that the words of men (whether the originals came from god or not) should be adhered to against the greater messages of love and peace to all men. Tosh.
I be gay
[info]brinksman wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:48 am (UTC)
I'd rather be sitting with a member of the gay community, than a clergy man.
www.millarcrime.com
Literacy and bigotry
[info]sidcum wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:57 am (UTC)

Yet again we see the strange link between illiteracy and bigotry ...
Church setting priorities?
[info]pete_emerson wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 10:40 am (UTC)
Shoulnt the religious instutions be focusing on where they can do the greatest good (or at least the least harm) - I would prefer to see this august group of instutions meaningfully address the known abuses of children in their 'care' by the institutions 'carers' rather than throwing stones at gays.

Stop protecting known abusers. Then maybe people will be more inclined to listen to you.

Actions speak louder than words.
Religion
[info]donknee wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 11:06 am (UTC)
Religion, aint it great, you can say what you want about anything.
I hope Will Self is reading because he also wrote a Bible, he'll be able to open a church to Dave soon.

'To thick for Science ? Try religion'
When Nazir Ali should kill his own children
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 11:38 am (UTC)
If this daft imbecile in a frock wants to obey the bible surely he has to obey ALL of it. He should not be allowed to cherry pick the nice bits. Having said that - if his children (if he has any) are cheeky to him he should kill them. He should also take advantage of the fact that god (apparently) allows for the keeping of slaves. Does he have genocide planned? If not why not?

People like this sicken me. Especially the religious ones. Almost on a daily basis we see some priestly pervert jailed for sexually abusing children - AND HE DARES TO LECTURE THE GAY COMMUNITY!!!!!! He should keep his bigoted mouth SHUT and keep to serving cucumber sandwiches at rectory tea parties.

It rubbish like this that hurts real people - and for what? Some imaginary friend. Sickening.


The message of the Gospel is to repent, believe & be baptised
[info]aconservative wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 11:41 am (UTC)
The Message of the Christian Gospel is to Repent, Believe and be Baptised. It is the same message for all people not just gays. We are all sinners and we are all called to repentance in order to be reconciled to God.

With the recent news of 100,000 new swine flu cases a day in the UK predicted by the end of August, these are uncertain times we live in.

A simple message of the Christian faith for all those who feel like turning to God in prayer at this time of uncertainty............

We are reminded yet again of mankind's limitations and the reality of our human frailty, of many people's 'arrogance' and belief in self, perhaps placing their trust in, man's limited knowledge, material possessions, money, science etc and the many false prophets and idols of this world and this age. Which I believe will be shown for their emptiness and false hope over the coming weeks and months.

It is time for people to humble themselves and repent and turn to the Lord Jesus in prayer...Remembering God's promise 'To Fear not, for the Lord your God is with you'. All those who have built their lives on the rock of Jesus will still be standing when the storm has abated. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, and no man/ woman will come to the Father except through Him. Jesus is the door to eternal life. Knock and the door will be opened, seek and you will find, ask and you will be answered. Even those who die in this life have the complete assurance of eternal life.

Nothing will separate us from the love of God; not even death. Give your life to the living Lord Jesus today and be saved. His salvation which brings peace, hope, joy, calmness, inner strength, unconditional love and blessed assurance, is there for everyone who turns to Him. He paid the price on the cross for our salvation and it is by His GRACE we are saved, we can share in His resurrection life and be born again, by the power and love of His Holy Spirit. Amen

Re: The message of the Gospel is to repent, believe & be baptised
[info]chiennoir wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:32 pm (UTC)
Yawn, yawn
Yawn...
[info]abs1978 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:34 pm (UTC)
Your entire rant details perfectly why sane, reasonable and intelligent people have little time for sky fairies and those that champion them.
Re: The message of the Gospel is to repent, believe & be baptised
[info]chiennoir wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:38 pm (UTC)
Wake me up when the sermon is over.
Re: The message of the Gospel is to repent, believe & be baptised
[info]ratcatcher911 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:23 pm (UTC)
No, please, keep it up... the more you rant and squawk the sillier you all look.

aconservative
[info]donknee wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:08 pm (UTC)
Yea, good point but Harry Potter can do all that with style and Indiana Jones is good at saving stuff as well.
Biblical bishops
[info]abritabroad wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:57 pm (UTC)
The bishop is wrong: the bible says nothing about lesbians and nothing about genetically determined homosexuality and insofar as the Bible mentions man on man sex at all it does not call for men who do this to repent, it calls for them to be killed. He is trying to "spin" the message of the Bible, trying to make it less morally revolting that it actually is. I tend to agree with him, however, that trying to pretend Christianity, like all the Abrahamic faiths, is not deeply and perniciously homophobic and barbaric is a waste of time and effort. its like trying to "reinterpret" the religion of the Incas to suggest human sacrifice was not really necessary. The bible is simply wrong on the subject of gay sex, but gullible bigots dont want it to be wrong and so will never accept that it is. The truth is the bishop who needs to repent and ask for the forgiveness of all the people to whom he has given grossly immoral guidance on the subject. I am so glad he is resigning, but i am hoping he will be called by his vengeful, bloodthirsty, hyprocritical and generally horrible "God of the Bible" to become a trappist monk, where he can do no further harm.
Show us ya willy
[info]ortelius wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 02:04 pm (UTC)
Comments like Dr Nazer Ali's should be welcomed, I suppose, for the paucity of knowledge they reveal about the psycho-sexual nature of human beings. The Bishop gives us further confirmation that the church is willing to staff its upper ranks with stupid people. This can only be a good thing since it will help consign it and the many evils it has committed in the name of the fictions it entertains to oblivion.
Bishop Nazir-Ali is damn wrong
[info]slyfas wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 03:04 pm (UTC)
"We welcome homosexuals, we don't want to exclude people, but we want them to repent and be changed."

So if they can't; what do we do? As a Christian (not of the intolerant denomination) I do not believe that God wants us to hate homosexuals. The Bible itself says: "God loves us all". If he had qualms with homosexuals or other persecuted groups, he would not have created (if you believe in creation) them in the first place. So it is wrong of anyone to proclaim the hatred of homosexuals, or any other person for that matter, in the name of God.

I don't know what God Dr. Nazir-Ali serves, but I serve that God that created us all equal and that loves us all in spite of our imperfections. Besides, is this not one of the reasons -bigotry- why we have qualms with the Talibans interpretation of Islam?
[info]bobhutton wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 03:35 pm (UTC)
Evangelical Christians do not hate gays but we do believe that what they are doing is sinful (read Romans 1 v 18-32), consequently they need to repent.
repent yourself!
[info]ratcatcher911 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:28 pm (UTC)
And I believe that your ludicrous fairytales are sick and inhumane. It's you who should be asking forgiveness from the countless thousands of people that have been damaged by your twisted cult.
Go and read a book... a real one.
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:01 pm (UTC)

Amen.
The church that never learns
[info]samche wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 06:19 pm (UTC)
Is it news that a man who has devoted his life to nonsense wants to oppress people who have different lifestyles to his own?

"hold[ing] on to the traditional teaching of the Church." means bullying and tormenting anyone who doesn't bow their knee to these clown-suited fairy tale merchants of nastiness.

Reform the church, stop the lies, admit there is no god and the Bible is a stream of archaic nonsense. Honesty is better than godliness any day.
The Bishop
[info]virginia_1976 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 10:14 pm (UTC)
... is supposed to be a Christian. I thought Christians weren't supposed to judge.
Comments by Bishop
[info]bushspoodle wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 10:52 pm (UTC)
FELIPE SEGUNDO, and if that comment had no spelling errors would that have made any difference in your point of view?
A Plague on All your Houses
[info]bushspoodle wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 11:07 pm (UTC)
This is just more proof that people behave irrationally and say irresonsible things on both sides of the argument. In the United States, we have an African-American actor, Isaiah Washington, who a fired from a TV series for uttering an "anti-gay slur," then forced to be counseled! How is that for going to the other extreme, eh?
Who are the real perverts?
[info]lanzalady wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 11:07 pm (UTC)
This is the same church that has re-written the Bible over and over again to suit the masters of the day? How can people be so deluded to follow along like sheep after a group of people who have had such a corrupt history? Do they never study any history? If Jesus really existed, he would be so ashamed of those who have corrupted his simple beliefs and turned them into dogma that must be followed - or else!
livejournal/independent prevents free speech
[info]weejohnb wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 12:03 am (UTC)
after posting a comment no more offensive than any others here, it was removed - it is clear you are creating an artificial debate here and are not really interested in balance.

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