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Generals go to war over Iraq inquiry

Secret investigation will be seen as cover-up, warn Army and intelligence chiefs

By Kim Sengupta, Defence Correspondent and Michael Savage

Senior military and intelligence officers have condemned Gordon Brown's decision to hold the Iraq war inquiry in secret, warning that it looks like a cover-up.

Military leaders, who have lost 179 personnel in Iraq, want their actions judged by the public, and intelligence officials say that politicians' manipulation of intelligence should be thoroughly examined.

The pressure on No 10 mounted yesterday as the shadow Foreign Secretary, William Hague, tabled a Commons debate for next week demanding that inquiry evidence be heard in public. The Conservatives will be supported by rebelling Labour backbenchers and by Liberal Democrats, who could force another embarrassing parliamentary defeat on Mr Brown.

General Sir Mike Jackson, head of the Army during the Iraq invasion, said: "I would have no problem at all in giving my evidence in public." He said Mr Brown's decision that the proceedings be held in private fed "the climate of suspicion and scepticism about government", adding that the Prime Minister ought to consider requiring witnesses to give evidence on oath.

"I do not see why it could not have gone for a halfway house with sessions in public and then having private hearings when it comes to intelligence," said General Jackson. "And they do have to look at the intelligence that Blair used in the run-up to the war... which at the end turned out to be fool's gold.

"They say they are modelling this on the Franks inquiry into the Falklands War. Well that was 30 years ago in a very different world. The main problem with a secret inquiry in the current climate of suspicion and scepticism about government is that people would think there is something to hide. And public perception at the moment is terribly important."

He added: "We are told that having a private inquiry will make people more candid. But none of the evidence will be given under oath and also the inquiry has no power of subpoena. These are things that should be looked at."

Air Marshal Sir John Walker, the former head of Defence Intelligence, said: "There is only one reason that the inquiry is being heard in private and that is to protect past and present members of this Government. There are 179 reasons why the military want the truth to be out on what happened over Iraq."

As a former deputy chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee, Sir John was asked for advice by members of the Defence Intelligence Service unhappy at the way the "dodgy dossier" on weapons of mass destruction was being put together. "We have worrying questions about how intelligence was ramped up to suit Tony Blair and his cronies and their reasoning for invasion," he said. "There is no reason why intelligence officials alone should have to carry the can for this. If there is anything particularly secret – and God knows there is precious little left secret over Iraq – then that can be heard in camera."

Major General Julian Thompson, who was highly decorated for his command of the Royal Marines in the Falklands, said: "I do not see why this has been based on the Franks inquiry into the Falklands. At that time the Cold War was on and protecting Western secrets in things like communication was used as the reason to hold the inquiry in secret. That is certainly not the case now. Also, the Falklands was essentially a failure of intelligence.

"Here we are looking at something much more serious: the allegation that a British government manipulated intelligence to take part in an illegal war.

"There is no reason why the public should not be able to hear the witnesses and judge what they say for themselves. We should not have to depend on a group of people handpicked by the current Government. A report from a secret inquiry will look like a whitewash."

One serving senior officer who was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan said: "It was a political decision to go to war and we followed orders, although a lot of us had private reservations.

"One thing I do remember is how urgent procurement orders were delayed and delayed because the Government wanted to pretend it was still following diplomatic channels. This was one of the main reason for the shortages we faced and this resulted in lives being lost. We won't mind details of that coming out to the public."

The Tories hope to defeat the Government next Wednesday by holding an opposition day debate demanding that "the proceedings of the Committee of Inquiry should whenever possible be held in public". Labour rebels are drumming up support among colleagues to back the motion, with one saying he would do "everything in my power" to force Mr Brown into a U-turn. Defeat six weeks ago in a Liberal Democrat opposition day debate about Gurkhas' rights to live in the UK made the Prime Minister change government policy.

Mr Hague said there was "clearly a widespread dissatisfaction across all parties and throughout the country" over the format. "There is still time for them to put this right. To have real credibility, the inquiry needs to be open to the public whenever possible and to have a wider and more diverse membership."

Even senior Labour loyalists have been angered by the inquiry's parameters. The chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, Mike Gapes, openly criticised the Prime Minister last night. It was "a missed opportunity", he said. "A major reason for holding this inquiry was to reassure the public that nothing was being held back because it has been such a controversial topic. This will not help," he added.

Cameron would not stop Blair's EU bid

David Cameron has said he would allow Tony Blair a free run at becoming the EU's first president. According to reports, the Tory leader has informed senior colleagues not to oppose a Blair candidacy if the Lisbon Treaty, which creates the role, is ratified later this year. The issue is a thorny one for Mr Cameron, who has refused to answer questions about a Blair candidacy on the grounds that his party opposes the treaty.

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The secrecy is clearly not for the troops
[info]reiksares wrote:
Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 11:17 pm (UTC)
but to conceal the criminal lies and traitorous actions of

# Tony Blair
# Geoff Hoon
# Gordon Brown
# Jack Straw
# Des Browne
# John Reid
# David Miliband
# John Hutton
# "Sir" John Scarlett

Brown has claimed that his gerrymandered whitewash will not be looking for "blame". WRONG, Gordon - that's exactly what is needed, and those found guilty must face the consequences of their actions.
Re: The secrecy is clearly not for the troops
[info]slyfas wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 12:43 am (UTC)
Wham! You hit the nail on the head. No one could have said it better.
Re: The secrecy is clearly not for the troops - [info]oszkowice - Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 04:00 am (UTC) Expand
Re: The secrecy is clearly not for the troops - [info]penny_reese - Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 07:32 am (UTC) Expand
Of Course Its A Cover-up - [info]mike4626 - Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 08:05 am (UTC) Expand
Re: The secrecy is clearly not for the troops - [info]blairsupporter - Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 09:59 pm (UTC) Expand
Blair
[info]thomasth wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 12:20 am (UTC)
The People will not accept Blair in high office again. It as simple as that. His taking us to war absolutely and totally rules him out. If the Establishment doesn't get this, they will face a revolutionary situation.
Re: Blair
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 01:54 am (UTC)
Better get used to the idea, as its feted with the support of such as Sarkozy that Blair will become the President of the EU without a vote being cast...

Just hope and pray that the Irish refuse still to accept the Lisbon treaty as that is what is stopping Blair from becoming the new King of Europe right now.
Re: Blair - [info]mannygoldstein - Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 04:29 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Blair - [info]ancientoneuk - Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 11:41 am (UTC) Expand
Generals go to war over Iraq enquiry
[info]dougiemac wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 12:50 am (UTC)
The secrecy is to protect the politicians who barefaced lied to the British public. So much for Herr Browns promise to have open and accountable government.
Re: Generals go to war over Iraq enquiry
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 01:58 am (UTC)
Brown is up to his neck in it as is Blair and the rest of the nuLabour thugs, Brown knows that his name will at some point be attached to war crimes and he like the rest of the scum in power will use every means to stop themselves being implicated as war criminals and traitors that they are.

Its not just the lies, its the fact that those lies led to the deaths of up to a million people, notwithstanding that it is also that these people led our own people to their deaths which makes it at least manslaughter.

Someone must pay, our soldiers paid with their lives, their sacrifice must be matched with justice for them, and if its seeing Brown, Blair and their cronies locked up, so be it because sooner or later if the politicians don't start policing themselves to the extent of the law, then it will be the case of one day Brown and others being found strung up on a lamppost.
Re: Generals go to war over Iraq enquiry - [info]oszkowice - Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 04:03 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Follow the Iranian Example.... - [info]esotericeric - Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 12:32 pm (UTC) Expand
Follow the Iranian example
[info]colinscarr wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 02:12 am (UTC)
If Brown and cronies continue to insist on a private, blame free inquiry; we should do as the Iranians did and put a million protesters on the streets of London.
It will look like a cover up?
[info]colinscarr wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 02:15 am (UTC)
No, it will actually BE a cover up of a thoroughly shameful period in our modern history, designed to let the British war criminals (see list in the first post) off the hook!
BEYOND OUTRAGE
[info]nled63 wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 02:21 am (UTC)

Gordon Brown is utterly, utterly unbelievable. If there is ANY way, in ANY situation, where Gordon Brown could cock things up & dig himself & his tawdry gang of tax-thieves into the mire even deeper, then trust "Clown" to find it. I am an ex-serviceman. Young enough for Aden & elsewhere, but obviously ancient by the time The Falklands thing blew up & after. I'm just so disgusted. Where the hell does Brown think he's living? - Soviet Russia? (Well, in his mind he may be). The British Army, its officers & other ranks have nothing whatsoever to feel "guilty" about. We serve. That's it. Skulking politicians - happy enough to send our boys & girls into the shit, happy enough to sign-off on the bodies that get returned home in bags & boxes, happy enough to steal the taxes that soldiers' families & others have paid for national upkeep & to squander it on draining moats & leering at porno films, but unwilling, unable & contemptuous enough to deprive the public of their absolute right to know why, how, & where our soldiers' lives were thrown away on Blair's egotistical & deeply deluded power-trip, & more pointedly, to deprive the public of their right to mourn, their right to closure on this most disgusting of needless & fraudulent military ventures.

ENOUGH! ENOUGH I SAY!

We must start to get ourselves in gear, folks. A major clear-out of all these hacks - right & left. Are there ANY worthies left who might represent us & our nation more openly & honestly? We'd better start trying to find them.
Re: BEYOND OUTRAGE
[info]oszkowice wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 04:05 am (UTC)
Absolutely right
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Cameron's slip.
[info]berewic wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 03:08 am (UTC)
We already know Tony Blair is a war criminal. We already know his part in the death and cover-up in the Dr Kelly affair and why. We all already know this inquiry is an attempt to whitewash those involved and their attempts to escape prosecution.
The question must be. "What are we, as voters, going to do about it"?

I always thought the Conservatives attempt to block the legality of the Parliaments vote on the EU treaty, via the courts, was half arsed and now it appears I was right.
Cameron previously promised the country, that if the Conservative party win the next general election, he would hold a referendum on the EU treaty. His statement in this report shows us that promise to be as false as any ever made by Blair or Brown. Add that to his comment of "he would allow Tony Blair a free run at becoming the EU's first President", and the conspiracy widens still.
Nick Clegg has already announced his support for the EU treaty, so the country is screwed whichever way we vote. If we vote for any of the main three political parties that is.
Vote Blair get Brown.
Vote Brown get Blair.
Vote Clegg get Blair.
Vote Cameron get Blair.

It will be no good writing on the ballot paper 'none of the above', as that would be the same as not voting at all. It simply would not be counted. In order to keep Tony Blair from becoming President of the EU we only have two options.

UKIP = old Conservative.
BNP = old Labour.

Re: Cameron's slip.
[info]oszkowice wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 04:07 am (UTC)
Nobody in their right minds would buy into that con trick other than a few half wits in Hull and Burnley
Re: Cameron&#39;s slip. - [info]berewic - Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 04:33 am (UTC) Expand
The democratic deficit and the road to war
[info]mannygoldstein wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 03:45 am (UTC)
""Here we are looking at something much more serious: the allegation that a British government manipulated intelligence to take part in an illegal war." (Major General Julian Thompson)

Despite massive opposition from the general public at the time, reservations from the military and intelligence communities and the dubious legal basis for the war. the massive government majority allowed the Labour Government to involve the UK in a war that has caused nearly a million deaths and several million wounded or forced to be refugees.

The real story of why Baron Peter Goldsmith, Attorney General, changed his advice has never been made public. If Elizabeth Wilmshurst is allowed to speak in public, and Goldsmith also called as a witness to the inquiry, the truth may finally be revealed.

It comes as no surprise that the man who was not elected as Leader of the Labour Party and has never been endorsed by the electorate as Prime Minister wants to keep all matters related to this war secret.

Are you listening Gordon?
Brown Clown, Bliar Liar
[info]oszkowice wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 03:57 am (UTC)
I am totally in agreement with the conclusions of our military.Once again that absolute buffoon Brown screws things up as he tries to worm his way out of being held accountable. If that slug ever mentions being "candid" again I willl scream. Better get Joanna Lumley on the case because the politicians haven't got the balls to deal with this/

As for Cameron letting the Middle East "Peace Envoy" and war criminal Bliar have a free run at the EU Presidency that tells you all you need to know about Bullingdon Bertie Cameron.
Re: Brown Clown, Bliar Liar
[info]alanski wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 05:15 am (UTC)
Well said. I liked the Joanna Lumley idea for a woman she's shown alot more cajones than the politicians. Let's face it the tories went along all the way with the Iraq war only the Liberals said no way. Likewise as with Afghanistan the never ending war the military just have to make the best of very bad decisions. But then one Nulabour defense secretary said that British troops may never fire a shot! Just shows what he knew about the subject. Of course Browns lot are going to deny everything and they will be aided by the tories who have nowhere to hide. Blair has no chance on the EU presidency my guess is that a German would get the job and no harm done with that. In fact ANYONE other than Blair would be okay.
Re: Brown Clown, Bliar Liar - [info]petercelt - Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 05:55 am (UTC) Expand
Liar Bliar - [info]peteq8 - Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 05:26 am (UTC) Expand
Iraq enquiry
[info]urbanmeister wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 06:06 am (UTC)
Quite right, having this in public is the right thing to do on so many levels. Again, the stupidity of Brown in trying to have this in private shows how out of touch with the public he is. An oxymoron indeed - the intelligent fool. How regrettable that the premiership he so craved has turned into dust. Unfortunately, this is deserved. He appears to have no logic, no ethics, and therefore does not deserve any power. For their own survival, the Labour MPs need to replace him as soon as possible.

Brown had his chance to show courage regarding having this enquiry in public, not doing so shows how he is an expert at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. He's a moral coward...
[info]simon_london wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 06:13 am (UTC)
Everyone knows that the UK participation in the invasion of Iraq was a cold blooded decision to establish geopolitical dominance in the oil 'bread basket' of the world. The excuses for invading were undoubtadly cooked up to suit this aim. We will never get a meaningful enquiry because to do so would open the UK (plus Blair et al) to prosecution and war reparations.
Brown is the right colour for this PM
[info]rhinocircus wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 06:23 am (UTC)
As General Jackson says:

"We are told that having a private inquiry will make people more candid. But none of the evidence will be given under oath and also the inquiry has no power of subpoena. These are things that should be looked at."

Not given on oath, no subpoena--but why should this be--is the inquiry only for military and intelligence academics?

Are the people, who have funded the illegal war with their taxes and those unfortunate relatives of the war dead, not to be given the truth?

"Lest we forget" is inscribed on many WW1 memorials, so that we do not treat going to future war, lightly--yet we have done so--for mercenary reasons--led by vainglorious college boys.

Parliament and the Country was lied to--worse--there was no proper debate in the House for the magnitude of the subject--the most damning evidence of the "blood-price" done deal, agreed in 2001, between Bliar and Bush.

Now, this sub-Prime Minister Brown scrapes the bottom of his political barrel for cloak and dagger excuses to dress that most bloody charade.

There is a new colour in the British market place--called "Despicable Brown"--and goes with the new verb: "to Bliar" (tell a treasonable lie).

Please will the Public demand from their MPs that, the whole truth be told--in public--so that we can glimpse Justice and know that, no one is above it?

40% of Iraq Panel are Zionists
[info]isaaccohen wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 06:29 am (UTC)
Both the historians Lawrence Freedman and Martin Gilbert are fanatical supporters of the racist state of Israel, meaning at least 40% of the panel are Zionists. Jews make up less than 0.5% of the UK population and not all of them are Zionists. Is this relevant? Given that the people who pulled Bush's strings included the authors of "A Clean Break" written for Benjamin Netanyahoo which included the call for regime change in Iraq, I believe so. Couple this with Blair's allegiance to Israel when it came to Middle East policy rather than the UK, and it becomes clear why Gordon "I've always admired israel" Brown wants a cover up.
Excellent
[info]ptstroud wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 07:04 am (UTC)
Excellent. This is what many of us said yesterday. Much of the Inquiry could and should be held in public but it is clear that Brown wishes to do a cover up job. So much for openness. The fact that both senior military personnel and those from the Intelligence services wish for more openness in this matter shoots down one of the PM's main objections. Hopefully he will be defeated next week.
Polical expediency
[info]alanski wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 07:32 am (UTC)
Some years ago I lived and worked in Iraq during Saddams tme. Often I would meet with Thatchers front line politicians who came to pay homage to Saddam. At that time the Iraq/Iran war was still killing tens of thousands on both sides and Baghdad was hit on a regular basis with Scud missiles. As a warden for my area I had to attend the British Embassy discussions on the war. Soon most countries had advised their nationals to leave Iraq and they did in droves. But not so the British. Bravery perhaps? Nah political expediency and above all money. You see had the government advised the Brits to leave officially there would be heavy financial claims on the UK government insurance ECGD. Sooh all we got was 'We're waiting for a pattern to form' in answer to our requests of should we leave. Politics moves in mysterious ways and for sure the desire for secrecy is not about protection of secret communications etc. This is about stopping a raft of litigation against the perpetrators of this unjust war and the deaths of so many in the services. Not to mention the host of wounded ex servicemen who carry the scars in mind and body for the rest of their lives. It's cynical but it's true. There will be no justice for them of for that matter the millions of Iraqis whose lives were destroyed by the machinations of Bush and Blair. Browns actions are predictable and he will be supported at every turn by those who want to protect their own grubby agendas.
Re: Polical expediency
[info]trojan_horace wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 07:38 am (UTC)
I'm sure that also has a bearing. As Mark Steel put it "In an effort to represent the expertise of many layers of society, the team running the inquiry has been drawn from a wide cross-section of knights. (To be fair only four out of the five in the team are knights. The other is a baroness, because New Labour stands by its slogan, "For the many not the few")."
Generals go to war over Iraq inquiry
[info]desmond8819 wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 08:10 am (UTC)
Simple solution, both Conservitives and Liberals commit themselves to making the Inquiry go public if eleceted next year. Brown can stonewall all he likes meanwhile but cannot prevent it once booted out.
Re: Generals go to war over Iraq inquiry
[info]drahcir38 wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 09:00 am (UTC)
You seem to forget my friend that both the Tories and the Lib Dems were very much for the war in Iraq at the time. Dont give me the tired old arguement that they were fooled into thinking that there were weopons of mass destruction and that is why they supported it. The war never was about WMDs and they knew it. Saddam Hussein certainly didn't have the capability of hitting anyone anywhere near the UK so we weren't worried about that were we? I agree that the enquiry should be in the open wherever possible but dont let us kid ourselves that the Tories and Lib Dems have clean hands. like Lady Macbeth they have dark spots on them.
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question..
[info]mrnobodie wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 08:48 am (UTC)
Maybe a naive question but where were they,i mean the generals, right before blair's decision for invading Iraq? I dont think they didn't knew the fraudulence of that decision..

Isn't it a bit hypocritical also of them?
Waste of time and money
[info]thorntongate wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 09:00 am (UTC)
Now might also be a good time to examine the people on Brown's Committee: Sir Lawrence Freedman is a Zionist and Sir Martin Gilbert apparently thinks Bush and Blair are up there with Roosevelt and Churchill.

So there's two people on the, er, inquiry who will have supported the war.

The Guardian's profile of Sir John Chilcot paints a picture of an elderly mandarin who won't rock any boats.

Why not go the whole hog and call Blair onto the Committee?

will he?can he? Today is good? 2 morrow better? I doubt no 10?
[info]famulla wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 09:45 am (UTC)
Waste of time and money
Bingo
I agree with you. Also, to add this is supposed to be in camera, hush, hush. No one is to know what is the problem, who created this, what we are doing about this, Is USA in it or not. Is Tony Blaire to be brought in the court or this query? All are so quite as if we do not have any CASE on IRAQ. Where is it anyway attitude?
I thank you
Firozali A Mulla
Iraq war enquiry
[info]tijum wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 10:05 am (UTC)
Oh the net is a wonderful thing.
There was I, thinking that I was alone in thinking that the proper place for A Blair in Europe was at The Hague facing a war crimes trial, but now I see that others think the same way.
Meanwhile, The Broon has blown his chance to be seen as other than an out of touch academic with a strong leaning to expediency.
Coup rumblings?
[info]fin_d_empire wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 11:03 am (UTC)
What, serving military officers of a Western democracy all saying their government is a bunch of lying ass-covering bastards who got British troops killed for nothing?

Is Brown going to be ushered out by khaki?

Why not? After all, you can't pretend that the UK is a democracy any more. Voters are manifestly either boycotting the system or voting for the loony right to protest it. The police state that Jacqui Smith put in place has everyone cowering in fear and pretending they don't give a toss.

Here's what happens when you do give a toss:



Well Now
[info]stickytruth2 wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 11:04 am (UTC)
It appears all the Top Brass of our military forces want the Iraqi war enquiry dealt with in the open, to them this does not seem a problem; only for Brown and Blair, the latter hoping for the President of Europe place with his track record which lays deep in the Iraqi war files, give him no chance of any job any where.
Let's take note of those top officers who served in Iraq, want to bring war crime charges against Blair, the former officers are more qualified in war matters than Blair, Bush and Aznar plus their parties they represent.
With this in mind, lets hope the Top Brass will take over the HoC's, HoL's plus MoD, then maybe the country will get back on their feet
Causes for concern
[info]thorntongate wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 11:27 am (UTC)
The "serving senior" officer's comment about kit delays is confirmed by The Indie's report of December 2006 on the inquest into the death of Sgt Steven Roberts, killed because the then Defence Minister Mr 'Buff' Hoon had delayed equipment orders to cover up the fact that the decision to go to war had already been taken.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article2086707.ece

It will be interesting to see if Brown's inquiry exams this deception.

The composition of the committee is a cause for extreme concern:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Freedman

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article2086707.ece
Launder the System and IT will Purge it of ITs Gremlins
[info]amanfrommars wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 12:05 pm (UTC)
"The People will not accept Blair in high office again. It as simple as that. His taking us to war absolutely and totally rules him out. If the Establishment doesn't get this, they will face a revolutionary situation." ..... thomasth wrote: Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 12:20 am (UTC)

The Measure of whether Wise Humility or Indifferent Arrogance drives Blair would surely be answered if he even should think to stand for such an Artificially Created High Office ..... for Past Sub Prime Performance being Studiously Avoided for Accountability of Prime Responsibility.

How about another Hutton Type Show ..... with everything Online Live and Transcribed for Posterity and Deeper Analysis/Semantic Packet Inspection.
Blair for EU president
[info]old_green wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC)
Don't think you've seen the last of him yet.

That's why it's really so important to campaign for his prosecution.
That's why the Iraq inquiry is so important.

This isn't all over - not for Iraq, and not for us.
The people responsible for this are not merely free but able to do all of this again.
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