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Outrage at government plan for secret inquests

Ministers vow to press ahead with controversial proposal despite Lords defeat

By Robert Verkaik, Home Affairs Editor

The inquest into the death of Jean Charles de Menezes, shot in error by police at Stockwell Tube station, could have been held in secret under the new rules

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The inquest into the death of Jean Charles de Menezes, shot in error by police at Stockwell Tube station, could have been held in secret under the new rules

Plans to introduce secret inquiries into controversial deaths from which the public and bereaved families could be banned are to be pushed through the House of Commons by the Government.

Last night ministers suffered a humiliating defeat for the proposals in the House of Lords, but insisted that they were "clear" that "harmful material" must not be made public, and would reintroduce the measures in the Commons.

The new powers would allow them to turn inquests like that of Jean Charles de Menezes or those involving the deaths of British soldiers into secret hearings.

Civil rights campaigners, peers and MPs attacked the Government for trying to sneak through an "abuse of power" which struck at the heart of Britain's ancient inquest system.

Baroness Miller, the Liberal Democrats' home affairs spokeswoman in the Lords, whose party tabled an amendment which succeeded in removing the secret inquiry clause, said that the Government had suffered a "self-inflicted" defeat.

She said: "Inquiries are a thing of the state and inquests are the thing of citizens. The Government could have come up with the correct conditions to guard against secrecy without setting up a parallel inquest system. It's not a good argument to say, 'But if you knew what we knew you wouldn't object.'"

The measure, buried in the Coroners and Justice Bill, gives the Lord Chancellor, currently Jack Straw, absolute discretion to order a secret inquiry in place of a public inquest. It could mean that inquests that might expose the negligence of government or a public body or embarrass ministers or foreign allies could be censored.

It comes less than six months after Mr Straw dropped proposals to hold sensitive inquests behind closed doors without juries from the Bill following widespread opposition. But the new plan has been quietly added to the Bill, in the shape of a provision allowing for an inquest to be suspended and a secret inquiry held in its place.

Liberty, the human rights group, said the illiberal powers would prevent bereaved families from discovering the truth about the death of a loved one.

Liberty's director of policy, Isabella Sankey, said: "It beggars belief that this rotten policy has been resurrected. It is thoroughly perverse for a Government that has spent over a decade lecturing the public about victims' rights to attempt to exclude bereaved families from open justice. When will New Labour's obsession with secret courts and parallel legal systems end? There is no accountability without transparency."

Deborah Coles, of the charity Inquest, said she was dismayed that the Government wanted to end the right to public inquests for all deaths: "This is yet another attempt to shroud in secrecy the details and actions of the most serious conduct of state agents."

The Government says that the change is aimed at allowing inquests to go ahead when sensitive information needs to be considered by the inquiry. Ministers point to the case of a 24-year-old Londoner, Azelle Rodney, shot dead by police in 2005. More than four years after he was killed, his family is still waiting for an inquest to establish the exact circumstances of his death. The case has raised concerns about the accountability of armed police and has fuelled accusations of a cover-up of a shoot-to-kill policy.

Mr Rodney was in a car with two other men what was stopped by armed police who had been tailing their vehicle. An officer fired eight shots into the side of the car at Mr Rodney, who was in the back. Six bullets hit him in the face, head, neck and chest. Police maintain that his behaviour made the officer believe he was about to fire a weapon.

The other two men were jailed after admitting possessing guns in the car. There is no evidence that Mr Rodney was holding a gun when he was shot.

The Rodney family has been told that an inquest into his death cannot go ahead because it would lead to the release of sensitive information about police operations. In 2007 the coroner presiding over a pre-hearing into the killing said police editing of information made under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 – which covers information obtained from covert surveillance devices such as telephone taps and bugs – meant it was not possible to hold a meaningful inquest.

Last night the Government pledged to overturn the Liberal Democrat amendment. A Ministry of Justice spokeswoman said it was important that an inquiry into any death should be able to hear all the evidence, even if it meant that part of the hearing should be closed to the public. She said to do otherwise would be a breach of a family's human rights. She added: "But it is also important that evidence is not allowed to harm police operations or the national interest."

She said: "Liberty's complaints are really about the terms of the Inquiries Act, which has been on the statute book since 2005. We have tabled some minor amendments in this Bill to give better effect to the policy, but those amendments do not lead to the lack of transparency and accountability that Liberty sets out."

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[info]jamie129 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 11:32 pm (UTC)
Maximum state intrusion into the lives of citizens, maximum secrecy for the actions of the state. Voting and arguing for Labour through the 80s and 90s was the worst mistake of my life (so far).
[info]nick_bu wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 11:57 pm (UTC)
I am with you on this one. But what next?
(no subject) - [info]zugzwang43 - Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 12:55 am (UTC) Expand
Battery Farming - [info]snotcricket - Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 02:19 pm (UTC) Expand
DEATH THROES - [info]zugzwang43 - Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 01:05 am (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]tobyandtoby - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 01:44 am (UTC) Expand
Secret inquests
[info]ptolemy012 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 11:46 pm (UTC)
This appears to be another example of this Government's intention to erode the democratic process and personal freedoms and to introduce a police state.It is appalling to see the lack of transparency in this move.
(no subject) - [info] - Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 12:03 am (UTC)
Re: Secret inquests
[info]ptstroud wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 08:54 am (UTC)
Watching PMQs yesterday and looking at Brown and his front bench reminded me of Leonid Brezhnev and his Politburo towards the end of his reign. Brown looks worn out as do his bankrupt cabinet, and they seem to have lost all touch with reality. Now this mean despicable piece of legislative excrement is the last straw (no pun intended.) Surely we have not to put up with six more months of this political garbage.
Re: Secret inquests - [info]zugzwang43 - Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 12:06 pm (UTC) Expand
DEATH THROES
[info]zugzwang43 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 12:51 am (UTC)

I would only ask, why is this bunch of ++++'+ so pre-occupied in what the " children, should, should not know , Traditionally, stuff like this usually happens with regimes in terminal decline, again, I ask why, ten months or so , we can look forward to ...

Is this for real?
[info]ianpurdie wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 01:15 am (UTC)
What possible justification? Whenever any government says they know better than we do,
then for sure and certain they're on the wrong track. Who let the "big brother" genie out of the bottle? From a Labour govenment yet? Unbelievable!
(no subject) - [info] - Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 02:58 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info] - Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 09:39 am (UTC) Expand
Re: dsfgdfghgfhf - [info]amberspyglas666 - Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 05:05 pm (UTC) Expand
Secret inquests
[info]rogerccanada wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 03:12 am (UTC)
John Whitaker Straw wraps himself in the imagery of working class revolutionary by calling himself Jack Straw; maybe its time to change his name again. Lavrentii Beria seems a good fit....
Re: Secret inquests
[info]jamie129 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 10:33 am (UTC)
Perhaps I should warn the BBC that giving a platform to Jack Straw might be illegal.
Re: Secret inquests - [info]zugzwang43 - Friday, 23 October 2009 at 11:53 am (UTC) Expand
secret inquests
[info]paulmaxsi wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 03:18 am (UTC)
secret inquests for secret murders. you disappear withhout a trace.



p. bloomberg
old man
glendale, ca
Another nail in the coffin of personal freedom
[info]idonotbelieveit wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 05:57 am (UTC)
The underhand way in which the government have yet again attempted to sneak through draconian legislation to undermine our fundamental rights reveals their collective perspective.

'But if you knew what we knew you wouldn't object.'

The key to using this type of argument is to do so with people who have some sort of basic trust in the person or organisation saying it; this government lost what little moral authority it did have long ago when they demagnetised their moral compass and embraced the policies of spin and smear.

Really and truly, what do they have to fear from open inquests, do they not feel the need to learn from their and their agent's mistakes? Or does this reveal their arrogance, their contempt for justice?

You know, there's another expression very similar to the one in quotes above; and they like us to use it amongst ourselves when discussing other potential abuses of our civil liberties. And whether we are talking about the imposition of ID cards, DNA databases or flagrant abuses of the anti-terrorism laws, this expression reveals a rather selfish attitude.

'If you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to hide'.

I've always believed that the more altruistic approach to voting was to do what was best for the country, not what was best for each of us individually. And just because something doesn't affect us as individuals (we think at the time!!), does that mean we should allow governments to do anything they want so long as we think it won't affect us?

But I digress, perhaps the government should reflect on the selfish argument and ask themselves the following questions;

What have we done wrong?

What are we trying to hide?

Of course, they'll know the answers to these questions each time they exercise their "right" to hold these inquests in secrecy, but what's the incentive for learning from their mistakes?

I think the carpets in Whitehall are going to become quite lumpy with all the crap destined to lie under them in the near future.

Re: Another nail in the coffin of personal freedom
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 11:35 am (UTC)
In what way are sceret inquiries draconian? Surely they're very pleasant for all those allowed to be involved.
[info]doug_piranha wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 06:02 am (UTC)
that's madness -

it's like the goverment stealing the body !

How can anyone suggest that a family has no right to attend the inquest
of a family member ?

I am speechless ..................................................
freedoms lost
[info]berthadeeblues wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 06:21 am (UTC)
I.d. cards, super injunctions, police d.n.a. databases, secret inquests, 96 days detention without trial, the abolition of the right to silence...and in a few weeks time those responsible will parade their hipocrisy at the cenotaph, the greatest symbol of the struggle for freedom.
Labor Party Paranoia
[info]delphicvi wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 06:22 am (UTC)
The Labour Party is sick! The signs have been there for some time, but now I'm convinced.
Harmful to Who?
[info]neil639 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 06:59 am (UTC)
They say that "harmful material" must not be made public. Who is going to be harmed by such disclosures - only our corrupt government ministers and the Establishment. Who knows what the Establishment will get up to behind a cloak of secrecy. One more reason for revolution in Britain.
Revolution?
[info]t_keane wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 12:17 pm (UTC)
Neil, I agree, we need a revolution, for a number of reasons:

1) We are subject to such a massive propoganda machine (corporate and political) that people have been turned in to producers and consumers who are either utterly disinterested in what goes on in our name or marginalised enough that this hugely powerful commercial and political elite can do more or less what they want and get away with it (Manufacturing Consent, Noam Chomsky).

Two examples:

According to Mervyn King this week the British public is now saddled with £1 TRILLION of debt from Bank bailouts and yet bankers continue unabated to line their own pockets at our expense.

We have murdered well over 100,000 Iraqis and Afghans in our illegal imperialist wars and yet the vast majority of the media insists on filling our screens and papers with the funerals of 'our boys' who not only signed up to take part in this sickening act of inhumainty but are being paid to do so, and who have murdered over 50 innocents for every dead serviceman (Johann Hari, 21.10.09, quoting US army sources).

2) Our political and electoral system is bankrupt. Before the expenses scandal of the 60% or so who might turn out at a general election, only c40+% would have to vote for a single party for them to be afforded a landslide majority. That's effectively c25% of the people. Add to this the fact that the two main parties are more or less indistinguishable and the third is kept out by first past the post. There is NO choice from this monopoly of unreason.

3) Party funding and commercial pressures on politicians means that the agenda of big business comes before any concerns for saving the planet or providing for citizens (The Silent Takeover, Noreena Hertz). How else could BAA get permission for a 3rd runway when we have committed to 80% reductions in gg emissions?

So where are the protests?

Nowhere, because we have been systematically divided and are being conquered by a small but incredibly powerful elite. This latest attempt to 'keep us out of the equation' is nought but perfectly illustrative of this systematic unravelling of democracy.

Revolution? YES, undoubtedly, we have to reclaim democracy for the planet and our children, but in the mean time VOTE GREEN.
Appalling
[info]dimlocator44 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 07:02 am (UTC)
And so, piece by piece, the NuLab closet totalitarians dismantle the UK's civil liberties.
UK = NORTH KOREA
[info]georgesign wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 07:13 am (UTC)
NORTH KOREA = UK
Re: UK = NORTH KOREA
[info]lexyboy wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 09:25 am (UTC)
It doesn't really, does it? But good work on making an important story sound absurd
Blame Jack Straw
[info]flacksteen wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 07:37 am (UTC)
Jack Straw's Justice Ministry is busy promoting injustice for all. The Labour Party does not believe in democracy and the right of the citizen to know what is being done in his name. Far too much time is spent by the Ministry listening to the police, who need to be kept in their place, They are our servants, not our masters. And it is for the public to decide what is revealed at inquests. We need to know as much as we can about policing methods: they should have no secrets. The de Menezes inquest was a farce, but at least we know it was a farce. Jack Straw wanted it held behind closed doors. As a result of that inquest at least we know how high handed the Metropolitan Police can be. I hope that one day a new administration will bring those who were responsible for de Menezes death to account. But I am not pinning my faith on Jack straw and his Ministry.

Get rid of this corrupt, inefficient and illiberal government as soon as possible and replace it by one that believes in government by the people for the people.
Re: Blame Jack Straw
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 11:54 am (UTC)
You seem to have forgotten that those in Government are part of the people you're demanding the Government serves.
Re: Blame Jack Straw - [info]flacksteen - Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 05:07 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Blame Jack Straw - [info]john_b_ellis - Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 09:24 pm (UTC) Expand
Fascism Rules - OK
[info]rooster281 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 07:37 am (UTC)
These control freaks should never be allowed back in government, they treat Parliament with contempt and the public with disdain.
NEXT TIME VOTE BNP?
[info]sidsnot wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 07:38 am (UTC)
Not being able to comment about "When You Watch Question Time Tonight" and also not being able to comment when there is an article about the BNP is beginning to make me think they may have something.
They did not like the Oxford Coroner
[info]billdavy1949 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 08:06 am (UTC)
They have shifted inquests away to where the body landed (Brize Norton) so a coroner who was expert (and difficult) is cut out of the loop. That was said to be so the inquest could take place where he soldier lived. Well, just possibly. And yet embarrassing inquests keep cropping up. So the obedient Jack Straw sets out to fix it for his leader who hates embarrassment while being the biggest himself.

Thank heavens the Lib Dems are making life difficult for the government. And where was the Official Opposition while all this happened?
Revolting!
[info]arion444 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 08:07 am (UTC)
So, revolt now. No taxation without true representation. Lawful Rebellion...in the Magna Carta. Look it up.
There must be some mistake
[info]deimosp wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 08:11 am (UTC)
It was only recently the government announced it was dropping such plans. I assume that reports have become "out-of-step" because if the governmnet says it is dropping plans for something then I assume they are dropping those plans - not saying ne thing and doing something else.

If this government is lying about things to us then how can they be "our representatives" and just tell us lies ? were they to tell us lies then they would have last all credibility and if found out should immediately quit and allow us to select representatives who we feel can tell us the truth.
Government plan
[info]gf60 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 08:39 am (UTC)
I used to think that David Icke was barmy. Full stop. Now I'm getting to the comma stage.
[info]anja247 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 08:40 am (UTC)
i wonder why they would bother to have secret inquiries etc. it's not as if there are such major consequences when the findings are public, anyhow.
get rid
[info]ouldbob wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 08:51 am (UTC)
Blair/Brown and co have created a soviet state control system in Britain. Little by little by little they have eased in controls on everything we do. Each little push has changed things irrevocably, but it is only when the cumulative effect is perceived - when it is far far far too late - that people will wake up and realise what has happened.
This is already a police state now, and there is yet more to come. Our government is rotten and corrupt: a government of scoundrels, with not one honest decent person among them. The CJB now allows hear-say evidence in Court, which means that if your neighbours don't like you, they can stitch you up, and you will go to gaol. It also means that if PC Blogs arrested you, an entirely different cop is allowed to present Blogs' evidence in Court, - where you will be unable to question Bloggs because he does not have to attend. And just in caes the pro-europeans have forgotten, this wonderful government of ours will agree - upon our now almost compulsory accession, - to a clause which states quite clearly that once we are in, it will be a CRIMINAL offence to try to pull out, to advocate pulling out and even to discuss pulling out. Don't believe me, look it up for yourselves.
Re: get rid
[info]flacksteen wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 11:56 am (UTC)
Where do I look it up?
The return of the inquisition.
[info]mh656 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 09:01 am (UTC)
This is yet another draconian measure this Scottish led government wants to impose on British society, not only to hide it's own nefarious activities behind, but also another way of instilling fear into and derision in the minds of the people. One is reminded of the Spanish Inquisition that held sway over much of the Christian world.
Re: The return of the inquisition.
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Thursday, 22 October 2009 at 11:59 am (UTC)
You're right this exactly like the Spanish Inquisition, except they're not torturing people until they confess they're trying to avoid blaming anyone and setting everyone free. Actually this isn't like the Spanish Inquisition at all.
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