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Prejudice and ignorance skew public view of asylum-seekers

Study shows 'reality gap' for Britons who think they know about immigration

By Cahal Milmo, Chief Reporter

Would-be immigrants and applicants for asylum in the UK wait outside a food delivery service in Calais, France

TOM PILSTON

Would-be immigrants and applicants for asylum in the UK wait outside a food delivery service in Calais, France

Attitudes to asylum-seekers in Britain are being skewed by gross over-estimation of the numbers of refugees reaching the United Kingdom and prejudice towards immigrants among young people, the British Red Cross says today.

Nearly a quarter of people believe there are more than 100,000 asylum applications every year – about four times the annual figure of 25,670, and just 5 per cent of Britons know to within 10,000 how many refugees come to the UK every year, according to a survey carried out for the charity.

The Red Cross said that the study, published to coincide with a campaign to combat prejudice against refugees, highlights a "reality gap" among Britons on the issue of asylum. It said most people saw refugees as poorly educated and believed that the UK offered shelter to far more migrants that it does.

Of particular concern was the negative image of asylum-seekers among the 18-24 age group, where nearly two-thirds chose the word "uneducated" and 33 per cent used "hostile" when asked to describe refugees.

A spokesman for the Red Cross said: "There is a clear gap between what people think is the level of asylum-seekers entering the UK and the reality. They are getting figures from the media and basing their opinions on perceptions that are not true. The number of refugees coming to the UK is far lower than most people think. It is interesting to note that when people are asked to describe refugees and base their opinions on people they know or have met then you find many more positive associations."

The charity said its survey of 1,000 people, conducted by ICM, had uncovered a succession of misconceptions about asylum-seeker numbers, including a belief that Britain had a disproportionate share of the world's refugees.

85 per cent do not know how many asylum-seekers are hosted by the UK.

On average, people think that the UK is home to 24 per cent of all asylum-seekers – eight times the actual figure of 3 per cent. Of those surveyed, just 3 per cent could give the correct percentage while 85 per cent said they simply did not know.

Nick Scott-Flynn, the head of the British Red Cross refugee service, said: "We provide sanctuary to far fewer people than many developing countries which are less obviously able to cope, such as Chad, Tanzania and Pakistan. We should be proud of the UK's role offering refuge to people in desperate need of safety, and celebrate the skills, talents and contributions that these people bring to the UK."

23 per cent think Britain receives 100,000 asylum applications a year.

The current total is 25,670. Home Office figures show that applications have fallen from a peak of 84,130 in 2002 to 25,670 last year. But public perception has yet to catch up, with the average person estimating there are 58,000 new arrivals each year – more than double the 2008 figure.

The study found that men are twice as likely as women to believe that asylum applications exceed 100,000 a year. Only five per cent of those interviewed could name the correct range of 20,000 to 30,000, meaning that 95 per cent of people live in ignorance of the level of refugees coming into Britain.

34 per cent believe refugees are jobless or unskilled workers.

Perceptions of the skills offered by asylum-seekers are also out of step with reality. Seven per cent thought refugees were mostly jobless while 27 per cent they were unskilled, blue-collar workers from the farming and manufacturing sectors in their countries of origins. Only 10 per cent of asylum-seekers were judged to have been in higher education when in fact about a third of refugees have university degrees or professional qualifications.

92 per cent attach positive attributes to refugees but one in two also sees them in a negative light.

Despite ignorance of asylum figures, Britons broadly see refugees in a positive light. When asked to pick from a list of character traits, more than nine out of ten chose at least one of the following words: hardworking, intelligent, brave and friendly. Forty-eight 48 per cent said refugees were either uneducated, hostile, lazy or cowardly.

Negative descriptions rose dramatically among young people with 61 per cent choosing "uneducated" compared to an average across all age groups of 29 per cent. A third of those in the 18-24 age group chose "hostile" with another 18 per cent seeing refugees as "lazy" and 12 per cent as "cowardly".

Charities hope to reverse the trend with a campaign ahead of Refugee Week this month which will encourage people to replace their photographs on social networking sites such as Facebook with an image of an asylum-seeker.

Titcha Kanjanda, 38, who fled Zimbabwe and is now studying for a social care degree in Portsmouth, said refugees needed to be allowed to feel proud of themselves by contributing to their adoptive country. She said: "I didn't want to leave but circumstances forced me to. I'm not a liability, I want to be an asset. I want people to realise 'she's a refugee, but she's working towards the development of this country'."

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my view of asylum-seekers ...
[info]unclemontyuk wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 02:33 am (UTC)
when i attended the recent "strangers into citizens" rally at london's trafalgar square, the whole point of the rally was to highlight their plea to legalize between 450.000 to 900.000 failed asylum-seekers and illegal immigrants to the uk. now i read this rubblish here from the british red cross that states britons suffer from a "reality gap" concerning the actual numbers of asylum-seekers entering the uk. what does it matter if the numbers are then say almost 26,000 per year instead of the perceived 100,000+? what aids the so-called "prejudice and ignorance" toward asylum seekers is the sheer numbers of immigrants that have flooded the uk by the insane immigration policy of new labour that now sees the country swamped by hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people who arrive really as ecomonic migrants and not as truly political and/or persecuted people that they often claim to be. even if we accept the annual figure of the british red cross of almost 26,000, that number alone in the course of ten years brings us over 250,000 asylum-seekers that we cannot afford to house and feed indefinitely like we do now. we cannot continue to be the "nanny-of-the-world" to those seeking shelter due primarily to our well-known "benefit culture" that acts as a big beacon to the third world's unwanted masses. one reason now for the rejection of new labour is its almost criminal disregard for the feelings of those who oppose its never-ending onslaught of immigrants and so-called asylum-seekers that constantly plays havoc on our infrastructure and national well-being beyond the point of no return.
truly, uncle monty. http://thebiggerissue.org/
Re: my view of asylum-seekers ...
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 04:16 am (UTC)
Absolutely right!!
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Asylum seekers
[info]gwilliamm wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 03:20 am (UTC)
The writer has obviously not done his homework this is why there are 2 BNP MEPs this morning because people like him are in denial of the way the country has infiltrated by a large number of false asylum seekers. The average person has been deceived by the establishment of all colours about the true cost of these economic migrants who come to UK for education and all the benefits that I have contributed to for all my working life.
My wife is a black African and she is astounded how much better treated an asylum seeker/economic migrant is treated compared to local people. They do not pay rent, they get furniture, food and they do not have to get a TV licence (we lock up local little old ladies who do not pay up).
I and a lot of other people will be looking towards the BNP to try and save what is left of a second tier society we are a banana republic without the weather.
Re: Asylum seekers
[info]m_a_s_p_r wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 07:58 am (UTC)
"My wife is a black African"
I sincerely doubt this statement if you're supporting the BNP.
If this is true, then you're in serious denial of what and who the BNP stands for.
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Re: Asylum seekers - [info]tomstreamer - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 11:59 am (UTC) Expand
asylum seekers
[info]chinmonkeymetal wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 03:51 am (UTC)
We need more asylum seekers like we need Bubonic plague. The only party that is prepared to put an end to this problem is the BNP. I am not a racist just stating a fact.
Re: asylum seekers
[info]blahflowers wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 07:09 am (UTC)
No, you ARE a racist and you're talking rubbish. The two giveaways are the fact that you feel the need to say that you 'are not a racist' after claiming that a social group is like a deadly non-human disease, and by supporting the BNP, who are racists, fascists and thankfully, very very stupid people. Bit of a giveaway really.
dear me bnp!! - [info]wetgash - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 02:23 pm (UTC) Expand
asylum seekers
[info]chinmonkeymetal wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 04:02 am (UTC)
We need more asylum seekers like we need Bubonic plague. The only party that is prepared to put an end to this problem is the BNP. I am not a racist just stating a fact.
Re: asylum seekers
[info]angryamerican67 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 06:35 am (UTC)
We have the same problem here in the US. They will let an uneducated Somali into the US with no problem. They will have nothing to contribute to our country. Now I work with a lady working to stay in the US. She is a white SA and she has a degree and has won two awards in jewelry design. ICE treats her like a terrorist trying to get into the US. Her and her family have been threatened by ICE officials. Telling them they will find out the truth about them and find out what they are really up to. She is young, educated and a christian and can contribute to the good (taxes) of the country. And then they want to bring all those detainees from Gitmo and will end up cutting them loose in the US. So our government is just a bunch of idiots like yours. They don't listen to us. It's our own fault for not getting rid of them.
WHAT UTTER AND COMPLETE RUBBISH!
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 04:21 am (UTC)
This author is living in fairyland. The British people have been demanding curbs on immigration for YEARS and have been treated by contempt by both the labour party and their left-leaning followers. Good British citizens have been accused of racism when they have raised quite legitimate concerns about the unfettered levels of immigration into our country. This tactic has been VERY effective in stifling debate about immigration in the UK. But not any more. People can see with their own eyes the consequences of the sheer numbers of immigrants being allowed into our country on a daily basis. Many of these immigrants are:

i) UNHEALTHY because they have no health service to speak of in their home countries and therefore present a massive burden on public health services. Immigrants are IMMEDIATELY allowed the same level of medical treatment as UK citizens - without having paid a penny in taxes. In New Zealand Canada and Australia prospective immigrants have to take a very stringent medical which includes a HIV test. Any member of the family that does not pass this medical is refused residence. The philosophy here is they would pose too high a burden on medical services. And also why would you have an unhealthy immigrant when you could have a healthy one! The UK does not ask for ANY (yes, ANY!) medical exam - it does not even require an HIV test. It is also interesting to note that immigration activists have successfully demanded that all HIV-positive immigrants be given the same standard of medical treatment as UK citizens.

ii) UNSKILLED and require support by social services. Again, New Zealand Canada and Australia only allow immigrants who are skilled and who fit within certain skills categories. Most immigrants have to have a degree.

iii) VERY POOR and require social housing - in the past immigrants who had been in the country months were places at the top of the housing queue, ahead of UK citizens who had been waiting for YEARS. This fact is often (brazenly) denies by trendy-lefties.

iv) HABOURING RELIGIOUS BELIEFS WHICH ARE STRAIGHT OUR OF THE MIDDLE AGES - including immigration due to so-called 'arranged marriages'.

Labour's irresponsible (some would say treacherous) immigration policy has changed the very character of the UK - you only have to walk down any street to see evidence of that. Labour has become so politically correct that it does not even deport FAILED asylum-seekers. How contemptible of the British people is THAT!

Labour has brazenly refused to set any targets for immigration - even when the economic situation demands it. Look at the the response of Australia to the current financial crisis. It has cut its immigration intake by a significant amount because it places the rights of its people - its citizens above any PROSPECTIVE immigrant - that is just a fair and common-sense approach. Remember, Australia does not accept ANY unskilled migrants so one can appreciate the massive extra burden imposed by continuing unfettered immigration in the UK by people I have listed above.

For too long trendy lefties, in their houses in Hampstead and Islington, have stiffled all debate about immigration by labeling people as "racists" who dare to question it. This might have worked very effectively 10 or 20 years ago but people have become aware of this disgraceful strategy and it will no longer work. Trendy lefties are partly responsible for the failure of entire immigrant communities (more noticeably the Muslim community) to integrate into our society. Trendy lefties, for example, led Hate campaigns against any person who dared to criticize the wasteful practices of councils in printing information leaflets in all known languages under the sun. Now we are paying the price for this. Just look at the treatment of British soldiers returning from battle in Afghanistan by SOME Muslims - they were abused and screamed at when they paraded down the street in what should have been a celebration of their contribution.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The reason why the BNP have gained such inroads is because of these things. We MUST have a sensible immigration policy where only those who can contribute can have residency.
Re: WHAT UTTER AND COMPLETE RUBBISH!
[info]terry_walpole wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:14 am (UTC)
Quite so Richard. Nu Labor's two-fingers to conservative opinion, especially from what was its 'core voters', no door immigration etc is the very reason that has allowed the BNP the success it has had.

Recognising and acting in accord with the conservative aspects of the British character is the best bulwark against parties like the BNP.

Nu Labor are in denial, though, aren't they. McShane and Toynbee in craven desperation have already blamed the Conservative Party for the BNP.

What cowards these people are.

Re: WHAT UTTER AND COMPLETE RUBBISH! - [info]richardm30 - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:23 am (UTC) Expand
WHAT UTTER AND COMPLETE RUBBISH! - [info]davilad - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:32 am (UTC) Expand
Re: WHAT UTTER AND COMPLETE RUBBISH! - [info]wetgash - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 02:37 pm (UTC) Expand
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Astonished
[info]49niner wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 05:09 am (UTC)
I am astonished and saddened by the very bigoted comments on this article. Our obligations to refugees go back to the immediate aftermath of WW2 and we are obliged by international treaty to take our share of refugees. If you look at the places they tend to come from, they include Zimbabwe, Iraq and Afghanistan where Britain has contributed either directly, or indirectly to the troubles in those countries. You reap what you sow as they say.

The real problem we face is illegal immigration - people trafficking from which criminal gangs make a lot of money. We simply don't know how many people slip under the net and arrive in our country by this means. And this problem is not confined to our country - it's Europe-wide. Here's where government action needs to be concentrated, and it needs to be done in cooperation with other EU governments and beyond. This is an international problem that only international action can solve.

Those who propose a "send them all back" policy are impractical and naive. Just how do they propose to organise such a vast project and who is going to pay for it? In the case of many asylum-seekers, sending them back to their country of origin may well be giving them a death sentence. Are we really saying as a country that we are in favour of that?

This debate is short on facts, and the Red Cross, as an established operator in this field, with no motivation other than humanitarian concerns, has at least tried to present some facts. If people are going to dispute those facts, then at least let them quote from credible sources. What appears in some of the red-top newspapers usually just panders to some of the wilder aspects of public opinion.

I never though to hear such bigotry in a British newspaper. If this is representative of our nation today, God help us all.
Re: Astonished
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 06:06 am (UTC)
Why not send them all back? Many come from ountries that are their cultural as well as actual birthplace. If they are oppressed back home then they should maybe organise themselves to remove their oppressors and perhaps install democracy? It won't happen languishing on benefits stealing somones place on the council list here will it?
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Re: Astonished - [info]49niner - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:29 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Astonished - [info]m_a_s_p_r - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:20 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Astonished - [info]richardm30 - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:26 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Astonished - [info]49niner - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:07 pm (UTC) Expand
You want mass immigration, you pay for it ! - [info]mike_spain - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:11 am (UTC) Expand
Re: You want mass immigration, you pay for it ! - [info]richardm30 - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:30 am (UTC) Expand
Re: You want mass immigration, you pay for it ! - [info]49niner - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:02 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: You want mass immigration, you pay for it ! - [info]mike_spain - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:15 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: You want mass immigration, you pay for it ! - [info]49niner - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 04:47 am (UTC) Expand
Officers are paid by Human Trafikkers.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 05:13 am (UTC)
The human trafikking industry is huge; the "Mr Bigs" of human trafikking live in mansions in Dubai; they charge between $5000 to $10,000 to get anyone into Europe and a bit more for entry into the UK.

Most asylum seekers have paid these trafikkers for false papers and passports and immigration stamps; the "Mr Bigs" are mainly Indian mafia characters who front their organisations with respectable businesses, whilst conducting their evil clandestine operations, ranging from prostitution, human trafikking, drug running, setting up fraudulant companies to claim non existent VAT repayments. All their ill-gotten gains are then invested in Dubai property where no questions are asked.

The big question is why is this scam not being investigated ? Could it be that the various immigration departments / officers and the chain of individuals starting from embassy visa officers, police officers, customs officers have succumbed to temptation and taken the generous bribes offered by these gangs to turn a blind eye ? ??

In the meantime the genuine asylum seeker (of which there are only a few) remain the real victims, simply because they do not have the means to escape their unfortunate circumstances!
Re: Officers are paid by Human Trafikkers.
[info]mj0911 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 07:48 am (UTC)
You are confusing human smuggling and human trafficking. Those who are trafficked usually do not pay for papers etc (wheras those who are smuggled do, and then often find themselves enslaved by their smuggler once they reach this country, sold into prostitution etc). Often it is not even the choice of trafficked people to leave thier own country. They are real victims as much as asylum seekers as they are victims of modern slavery.
Re: Officers are paid by Human Trafikkers. - [info]drug_baron - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:38 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Officers are paid by Human Trafikkers. - [info]mj0911 - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:45 am (UTC) Expand
Population Density
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 06:02 am (UTC)
It's not how many are coming in that should worry policy makers but carrying capacity. If the UK is already amongst the most overcrowded places on earth, and it is, then what is the point in allowing more in? surely it is foresight that socio-economic catastrophes are best avoided by having a low population density? our landfills are overfilled and the fresh water tables are drying up and food needs to imported to feed three quarters of the current population. It isn't rocket science that enough is enough is enough, here.
Reasons for ignorance - Government statistics inadequate
[info]mannygoldstein wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 06:12 am (UTC)
For all the billions of pounds spent by this administration spent on the 'surveillance society', the Government has no idea on the real situation with regard to legal and illegal asylum seekers and economic migrants. In the absence of reliable statistics, it come as no surprise that any discussions cannot be regarded as informed.

To see civil liberties dramatically reduced in the UK since 1997 in the interests of 'security', while between one and two million illegal immigrants are estimated to be in the UK, it is not difficult to see why the government is regarded with a degree of cynicism which is rapidly turning onto contempt when any official announcements are made.

Migrationwatch attempts to deal with this information deficit, but is incumbent on the government to come up with realistic numbers. Unfortunately this article looks like another attempt by what the BNP refer to as the 'liberal elite' to ignore, patronise and condescend to the very real concerns shared by many of the population about the topic of immigration.
Reality check on Immigration
[info]mindful2020 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 06:36 am (UTC)
Public perception is garnered from the news media and if the belief that immigration is a problem widely exaggerated or not, its because media reporting has brought the issue to the fore.
To quote statistics is meaningless - when undisputed is the fact that Britain has limited space, limited employment prospects, limited health services and limited education facilities.
There is no reason Britain should hold open its doors to each and every asylum seeker when native Britain's are driven to escape their own country. Fear of conflict is not imaginary when a city skyline is altered by religious buildings and no-go areas abound in towns and cities due to racial conflict.
Who's the real racist?
[info]southover wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 07:06 am (UTC)
The racists are those who demonise the natural instinct of the English people NOT to be race-replaced in their own land.

It is not racism to wish one's people to live - and to live sovereign and free. But the left's denial that the English are worth preserving - something they would never say of Jews and Japanese and Tibetans and native Indians - or that we even exist, now THAT is racist.

The left is driving us towards our own extinction, trading its own sense of moral superiority for the birthright of our children. It is almost a mental disease.
Re: Who's the real racist?
[info]terry_walpole wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:16 am (UTC)
Well said.
Re: Who's the real racist? - [info]blahflowers - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 10:52 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Who's the real racist? - [info]l3enz0 - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 08:51 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Who's the real racist? - [info]tomstreamer - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 01:42 pm (UTC) Expand
Judging by the bigoted comments...
[info]m_a_s_p_r wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:03 am (UTC)
Judging by the bigoted comments this article has managed to attract in a short while surely proves that the "Refugee Week" campaign is absolutely necessary.

I'll be giving it all my support where I can and not just this month.
Holding Centres are the solution !
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:07 am (UTC)
Look the solution is very simple. Most of today's intake if migrants are a result of the organised mafia gangs controlling human trafikking; they are mainly Indian Mafia Organisations which have a virtual monopoly on people movement; they have the money to buy virtually any official including BNP supporters.

So lets not carried away and say that BNP will provide the solutions. Human Trafikking is a multi billion dollar industry !

Here is the solution

1) Any company employing individuals who do not have the right to work in the UK; must be fined and their owners imprisoned.

2) All asylum seekers must be dispatched to a holding centre; preferably an offshore Island where they can be housed in portakabins whilst the genuineness of their asylum application is processed. It is inevitable the vast majority of applicants will be found to be "customers" of the human trafikking gangs who charge about $10,000 per person to smuggle them into Europe providing them with fraudulant papers, passports etc etc.

3) Once word gets around; the opportunitic migration will stop which makes up more than 90% of these cases and only the genuine asylum seekers will remain; who in most cases are educated and politically persecuted individuals, who do deserve protection, as for the others they are as bad as the criminals who run this racket.

Unfortunately the purchasing power of these gangs; will persuade most officers to turn a blind eye in return for the huge bribes being touted and only token arrests are made whilst the leaders of these gangs live lavishly in off-shore tax havens like Dubai.
asylum seekers
[info]vauban33 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:16 am (UTC)
It may be that the actual ignorance and prejudice involved in the asylum business comes from the sort of people who wish our island with these people. With the BNP increasing, the indigenous inhabitants of the UK are at last being able to show their dissaproval of the current state of affairs. People who blithely comment on "only 25,000" came at such and such a time whould remember that this figure represents about half a fair-sized town in a country where building space is at a minimum.
Asylum seekers are not the problem
[info]slammer06 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:02 am (UTC)
At least Asylum seekers are managed within the system -good or bad as it may be. I think the people who mention the large numbers cited probably, wittingly or no, include illegal immigrants of whom virtually nothing is known. Having lived in a number of developing countries, I know of many specific cases of people who arrive in England and simply disappear. The process is simple: go in as a maid or employee of someone who can easily get a visa and then vanish (no hiding in trucks or trains). The immigration service will not take any notice until their visa has expired by which time they have vanished. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the numbers are as suggested nor the skills at the level suggested by "ignorant people". Tolerance and rational arguments are hindered by statements of polticians and the Red Cross who make sceptics of us all.
No taxation without representation
[info]mike_spain wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:03 am (UTC)
The British Red Cross doesn't pay for the cost of immigration so they should shut the **** up. Britain can not afford one more economic migrant or illegal immigrant let alone the the thousands that Labour has encouraged to come to Britain. Doesn't the Red Cross understand why thousands of asylum seekers are camped out at Calais trying to get into Britains benefits system rather than find a job in France. Its a no brainer thanks to Browns welfare state and benefits culture, as these itinerant low lifes are after a piece of Gordons hand outs be it free health care, queue jumping for housing, free schooling for the kids of their various wives and all the other bits & pieces of the welfare state. Even the laws of the land are flouted allowing Sharia law to supersede UK law, polygamy and removing young underage girls from school to be married abroad to some aged pedophile. All of this without a murmur from the government or the Red Cross. Why should indigenous Brits of all colour, race or ethnic background who have paid into the system for years have their lives made worse because of this government and their supporters of unfettered immigation. Australia, Canada & New Zealand have the right approach towards immigration. If you have a skill and they want it, you'll be let in on probation to work for a few years before being given residency. No access to public funds, no free bees and their primary culture rules overall. Its comments from groups like the Red Cross that actually promote the BNP campaign but they're too stupid to realise it. Keep it up guys and the BNP will go from strength to strength but is that what you really want ?
[info]shegelu wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:26 am (UTC)
So much ignorant racist bile in response to this article! Let's get one thing straight! Every poster who suggests that the country is swamped with immigrants or that Labour is biased towards immigrants is expressing racist ignorant opinions.

Firstly, the UK has seen successive waves of immigrants for centuries, and each time there is an economic crisis, exactly the same myths about immigrants have been recycled. Fact is, there are very few Britons in major cities and towns who can claim that all of their great-grandparents were British. The Royal Family certainly can't claim that. When did Prince Philip last do a day's work? Shall we throw him out for being a scrounging immigrant?

Secondly, far from being more tolerant of immigration, Labour governments over the last 30 years have consistently past more legislation restricting immigration than Tory governments. The current Labour government is no exception. Under the Tories, it was comparatively simple and easy for refugees to claim asylum, and more importanly, asylum seekers had the right to work. It was Labour that removed the right to work, condemning asylum seekers to become "scroungers". Labour have also made it much more difficult for economic migrants to come to the UK, and they have recently made it near impossible for non-EU musicians and artists to perform here.

There is no need to vote BNP, if you insist on keeping Britain White, sorry, I mean British. Just vote Labour!
[info]mike_spain wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:26 pm (UTC)
As with most things Labour, immigration laws aren't working despite all the legislation they may have passed. Under the Tories we brought in many Asians from East Africa all of whom worked hard, integrated well and contributed to the country. Under Labour, we've seen the worst type of immigration by many refusing to integrate, demanding their own legal system, collecting multiple benefits for multiple wives, marrying off their under age daughters to pedophiles and honor killing those that resist. This isn't racism, this is Britain today under Labour in 2009.
[info]safis_uk09 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:44 am (UTC)
I know plenty of people who come to the U.K with degrees my father included, he was a qualified vet back home but his degree was not accepted here back in the 80's so he was not allowed to practise. The sterotype that most aslyum seekers are lazy etc is true to some extent but the truth is most of them actually want a better life mostly through education and healthcare.
Still too many
[info]andyoo220011 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 10:26 am (UTC)
The bottom line with this is surely with the millions un employed already can we actually afford to support even more. There also in no mention of the thousands that have effectively disappeared since coming here. Tax payers money could be better spent than supporting anyone who can dream up a reason to come here.
Asylum seekers
[info]fedup14 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 10:33 am (UTC)
The majority are economic migrants as seen by the solely male makeup of those waiting at Calais. I agree the system is not robust enough. There is no screening on security or health grounds. Many very violent people from places such as Somalia, Sri Lanka, Rwanda, DR Congo are here and have no reference point for living in a lawful society. The police are challenged keeping up with the drug/people trafficking and the criminal gangs ranging from Triads endlessly onward.When they are convicted of crimes, they are rarely deported. Those who are deported laugh at us and come right back on a fake passport in a different name.

The health service, housing, schools are overburdened and local councils do not have enough money to provide adequate services to taxpayers because the number of people resident in the UK is underestimated. I am amazed at the tolerance of the British taxpayer- having non contributors to the system take out from it so disproportionately thereby reducing the standard of services for the citizens and their children.Care in hospitals is abysmal. Drugs are being rationed for UK cancer sufferers so why should hugely expensive HIV meds be given to non-citizens with failed asylum claims? So many children in schools do not speak English, dragging the standard of education down for British kids. Transport is crowded. There is a shortage of housing. Asylum seekers are perceived as jumping the queue.

The welfare state was envisaged as a system you worked and paid into which would be a safety net if you fell ill, lost your job, or entered old age. It was not designed to support so many people who have not paid into it, and who make multiple claims on it for long periods of time.

Britain is perceived as a soft touch and those allowed in as refugees often do not bother to integrate. The straw that breaks the camel's back is when the British are treated worse than the immigrants under their own laws. I refer to recent protests in London. Brian Haw ( one man protesting about Iraq) and the Cenotaph ladies (reading the names of war dead out) were arrested and removed by the police for breaching antiterror laws that prohibit protests near parliament. The G20 protestors were kettled and were gone in one or two days. Yet Tamil protestors supporting a terrorist organisation( the Tamil Tigers) took over Parliament Sq for weeks, blocked roads, disrupted traffic, made thousands of Londoners late for work, climbed Westminster Abbey (a church-no respect) cost the police 8Million pounds, and reduced police cover to the rest of London for weeks.They were not moved despite the disruption and the law. On the contrary they were visited by MPs and taken to meet UK, EU and international representatives. A tad unfair, perhaps? Even more so when supporters of the Tigers have been convicted in this country of mass credit card fraud on UK citizens to fund the group.

The British have lost their identity bending over backwards for diversity and multiculturalism. It's time we were proud of being British and save that identity before it is lost.




Asylum seekers
[info]fedup14 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 10:37 am (UTC)
The majority are economic migrants as seen by the solely male makeup of those waiting at Calais. I agree the system is not robust enough. There is no screening on security or health grounds. Many very violent people from places such as Somalia, Sri Lanka, Rwanda, DR Congo are here and have no reference point for living in a lawful society. The police are challenged keeping up with the drug/people trafficking and the criminal gangs ranging from Triads endlessly onward.When they are convicted of crimes, they are rarely deported. Those who are deported laugh at us and come right back on a fake passport in a different name.

The health service, housing, schools are overburdened and local councils do not have enough money to provide adequate services to taxpayers because the number of people resident in the UK is underestimated. I am amazed at the tolerance of the British taxpayer- having non contributors to the system take out from it so disproportionately thereby reducing the standard of services for the citizens and their children.Care in hospitals is abysmal. Drugs are being rationed for UK cancer sufferers so why should hugely expensive HIV meds be given to non-citizens with failed asylum claims? So many children in schools do not speak English, dragging the standard of education down for British kids. Transport is crowded. There is a shortage of housing. Asylum seekers are perceived as jumping the queue.

The welfare state was envisaged as a system you worked and paid into which would be a safety net if you fell ill, lost your job, or entered old age. It was not designed to support so many people who have not paid into it, and who make multiple claims on it for long periods of time.This is even more significant in these recessionary times when so many are struggling. We do not have the tax revenue to fund people's pensions. Something has to give.

Britain is perceived as a soft touch and those allowed in as refugees often do not bother to integrate. The straw that breaks the camel's back is when the British are treated worse than the immigrants under their own laws. I refer to recent protests in London. Brian Haw ( one man protesting about Iraq) and the Cenotaph ladies (reading the names of war dead out) were arrested and removed by the police for breaching antiterror laws that prohibit protests near parliament. The G20 protestors were kettled and were gone in one or two days. Yet Tamil protestors supporting a terrorist organisation( the Tamil Tigers) took over Parliament Sq for weeks, blocked roads, disrupted traffic, made thousands of Londoners late for work, climbed Westminster Abbey (a church-no respect) cost the police 8Million pounds, and reduced police cover to the rest of London for weeks.They were not moved despite the disruption and the law. On the contrary they were visited by MPs and taken to meet UK, EU and international representatives. A tad unfair, perhaps? Even more so when supporters of the Tigers have been convicted in this country of mass credit card fraud on UK citizens to fund the group.

The British have lost their identity bending over backwards for diversity and multiculturalism. It's time we were proud of being British and save that identity before it is lost.




Mass Migration is as old as the hills...
[info]flybye88 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 11:04 am (UTC)
To listen to some people one would think that mass migration is something that started perhaps 10 or 15 years ago.

For more than 1000 years there have been large scale migration, individually and even en mass.

It was not Pakistanies at that time perhaps. But what about the Celts, the Hunn and the Visigoth. Those refered to as aryian today were once the residents of modern Iran before spreading out.

In the 18 hundreds it was 100's of thousands of (- sometimes desperate-) North and Central Europeans who headed off to N. America, parts of Asia, Australia, New Zealand etc. The Spaniards and Portuguese went to S. America in droves.

So why all this alarm and screams of injustice when this ancient and well- established reality is also to be observed today!?

What is so special about people moving? Why should humans have far less rights than the birds in this respect?

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To listen to some people one would think that mass migration is something that started perhaps 10 or 15 years ago.

For more than 1000 years there have been large scale migration, individually and even en mass.

It was not Pakistanies at that time perhaps. But what about the Celts, the Hunn and the Visigoth. Those refered to as aryian today were once the residents of modern Iran before spreading out.

In the 18 hundreds it was 100's of thousands of (- sometimes desperate-) North and Central Europeans who headed off to N. America, parts of Asia, Australia, New Zealand etc. The Spaniards and Portuguese went to S. America in droves.

So why all this alarm and screams of injustice when this ancient and well- established reality is also to be observed today!?

What is so special about people moving? Why should humans have far less rights than the birds in this respect?

<written: A disabled Royal Air Force veteran living in Germany the last 26 years.>
Disgusting Article
[info]whiterabbi7 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 11:19 am (UTC)
I'm appalled.

Whilst I can see straight through to the core of this article (that BNP members are a bit thick), the very crassness of it shocks me. Yes the BNP just got a seat (or two), yes, this is very disturbing, but the "Any true Scotsman believes X" (and anyone else is stupid) argument is straight out of the playground, not something I expect to see in a newspaper.

Repeating the same statistic for effect is really lame. (5% believe... 95% don't believe... Over 90% think.... Less than 10% think....)

How stupid do you think your readers are? I am staunchly against the BNP, but you win arguments with intelligence, superior logic and reason, not by screaming insults like some child.

On a more intelligent level: I am deeply concerned that the BNP are gaining seats, but not that surprised. I'm not going to throw silly insults at the BNP members as I am sure many of them are well educated - the simple fact that they are right wing nationalists is enough to keep me well away from them. I'm also concerned that the Tories gained a pile of seats because this whole political atmosphere reminds me of Britain in 1997 and the landslide victory that Labour won from the Tories because the Tories were so sleazy and corrupt. Nothing changed, we got a "Labour" government who were actually Tory and now I'm supposed to be jumping hoops at the return of the Tories?

Labour or Tory matters not, they both sing from the same hymn sheet.

So that leaves......? Well as a thinking voter it leaves me wondering. I will not vote BNP, but many will and the alternatives are equally crap. But all of this is a foregone conclusion anyway, the Lab / Tory pact will win as they always do and nothing will change.

It's a 2 horse race where both horses are lame.
Re: Disgusting Article
[info]eve_ntual92 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 12:39 pm (UTC)
Agreed. Almost an insult to any critical reader. In the past, many of these BNP votes would probably have gone to the Tory right. It no longer exists in the form it did. As you say, more of the same.
Re: Disgusting Article - [info]edlebon - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 04:10 pm (UTC) Expand
exercise your right to vote by all means.......
[info]wetgash wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 03:26 pm (UTC)
exercise your right to an opinion and debate before you vote bnp!

what a lot of small brained scaredy cats on this site today!
go home to the begining of time amoeba brains trace your anscestors back, it turns out we are all running from ourselves unless you marry your mother!!
stop this whining about having to share with the rest of the world which little britain squandered for many a century.
if you have a problem with britain being multicultural piss off to antartica. the future generations dont need any of these out dated views or parties dont hide embrace!
sharing is caring
cheers guys
Prejudice
[info]rendevou5 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 04:38 pm (UTC)
"Prejudice and ignorance skew public view of asylum-seekers":

What an utterly pointless statement: doesn't prejudice skew everyone's view of everything?
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