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Rail passengers face cut in services as recession bites

Train companies hit by fall in commuter numbers as Transport Secretary holds talks with 'big five' operators

By Michael Savage, Political Correspondent

Both the rail operators and the Government last night refused to comment on their discussions

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Both the rail operators and the Government last night refused to comment on their discussions

Rail passengers face cuts to services and higher prices after talks between the Government and rail chiefs over the prospect of the first fall in passenger numbers for 15 years.

Geoff Hoon, the Transport Secretary, met the "big five" operators, Stagecoach, National Express, Go-Ahead, Arriva and FirstGroup, amid fears they will have to reduce service commitments to cope during the recession.

Figures to be released soon by the rail industry will show that past year saw the first slowdown in passenger growth in six years.

Since the start of 2009, significant numbers of jobs have been lost, which will directly hit commuter numbers travelling to major cities.

Most rail companies are tied into tough franchise contracts with the Government which were agreed during the boom years and assumed continued growth in passenger numbers.

Several companies have already shed jobs and instituted wide-ranging internal restructuring to cut costs, but a slump in passenger numbers has led to a real fear of cuts to services.

One industry insider said: "There is historic evidence to suggest a retraction in demand in certain areas is on the cards this year. If that happens, companies will have to go back to the Government to discuss a change to their franchise agreements."

Last night, analysts raised concerns over the East Coast Main Line services run by National Express. The company paid £1.4bn for the franchise last year. "The franchise was one of the most recent sold and the company has said already it needs 10 per cent revenue growth to meet targets," said Gert Zonneveld, analyst at Panmure Gordon.

Both the rail operators and the Government last night refused to comment on their discussions. But the meeting came after senior figures in the rail industry admitted that they may have to renegotiate the terms of franchise deals agreed long before the downturn. Keith Ludeman, chief executive of Go-Ahead, said: "There is nothing to stop us, if demand falls, going to the department and asking to take services out."

A DfT spokesman said: "This was one of a regular series of pre-planned meetings the Secretary of State holds with train operating companies. A range of issues was discussed, including the fact that passengers and operating companies are facing uncertain economic times. The companies said passenger numbers were still growing but they would monitor the situation closely. The train operating companies did not propose any cuts in services."

Industry sources said that companies are looking to boost online ticket sales and increase use of automatic ticket machines to reduce costs. The moves could see ticket offices under renewed threat. "It is an area that companies are looking at as research suggests online and ticket machines are popular with customers," one said.

Unions also said they were concerned that cuts to services could be on the horizon and urged the Government to resist attempts from rail operators to change their franchise obligations.

Bob Crow, general secretary of the Rail Maritime and Transport union, said: "Revenues, profits and dividends have been rising steadily, but at the first hint of a slowdown they want to slash services and sack staff when that is the reverse of what the economy and environment need."

Gerry Doherty, leader of the Transport Salaried Staffs Association, said: "If the companies are allowed to cut services it can lead to more cattle truck conditions for passengers."

The Association of Train Operating Companies conceded that some operators may consider reducing train sizes, but said that the industry was fundamentally in good shape.

"If a major retailer announced growth of just under 5 per cent at a time like this, I think they would be pretty pleased," said a spokesman. "There is still growth in the industry."

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Surprise, surprise
[info]ourmaninferney wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 12:48 am (UTC)
Well, here's a surprise: in good times the TOCs want to retain their profits and act like the privatised companies that they are, but as soon as the going gets rough they want to renege on their agreements! Prudent business management would have thought about, and planned for, a potential downturn instead of presuming a constant increase in passenger revenues. Or maybe they did, and decided that any downside would be covered by running to the government for cash... They should never have been privatised in the first place: anybody with an ounce of sense could foresee this happening one day.

Bob Crow hit the nail right on the head.
Cuts in Rail services Due to recession
[info]soaring_eagle1 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 08:43 am (UTC)
I would just like to say this is a load of old rubbish.

This has nothing to do with the recession, it is due to the unaturally high increases in rail fares. I also believe that if you buy a ticket this should entitle you to a seat in the train.

As someone who is cutting thier carbon footprint, by using public transport I find that both bus and train services are doing thier utmost to keep evey polluting car on the road. Traffic jams are due to the fact that we have far too many cars on the road, most of these cars do not need to be on the road at all, they are very short journeys that could be covered by walking, bus and train.

Make fares fair and cut them back to a usable price and you will find that more people will shun the traffic snarl ups and use the transport again.

We want more people using trains and buses and more rolling stock to take the passengers that will come, more frequent trains and buses and in the case of buses more routes.

When I moved to this area, buses were on every road, we now have to walk to the middle of the village to get a bus, quite a distance for some elderly people who had been used to getting a bus from the top of the road.

We need to reduce traffic now, just think how lovely it would be for the workforce to get on a train, not get stuck because of accidents on the Motorway get snarled up because of snow or ice, high winds etc the stress would be so much less.


I recently travelled to Manchester by train, it was bliss, no hunting for parking which was usually full, no stress of getting stuck in miles long tailbacks.

So lets stop all this rubbish talk, and get our public transport system back up and running properly.
Rail Fares Increases Chase Away Travellers
[info]mike4626 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 08:50 am (UTC)
since the increase in fares passenger numbers have declined. Reduce passenger fare prices and profits will return
[info]had_it wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 08:59 am (UTC)
OK, tell us, what prudent provisions did Ourmaninferney make while planning for a potential downturn?
Rail back in public ownership now!
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 09:30 am (UTC)
Time to force the issue with a series of national fares strikes and stay-away days. Hopefully they will all collapse and the system can be brought back into public ownership like it should be - all for virtually nothing compared with the bank bailouts. Then it can be controlled by a mutual ownership organisation with the customers, the passengers, in majority control, like traditional building societies.
It's official - all industries now run by imbeciles
[info]stunthemullet wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 10:01 am (UTC)
What's the surprise when it's cheaper to drive or fly than take the train?
Say what?
[info]valonya wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 10:06 am (UTC)
Slump in passenger numbers? I've yet to notice a difference! And they've already cut services and hiked prices this year. Words fail...
Good thing really
[info]humble_sparrow wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 11:22 am (UTC)
Yes, maybe there will be less money for stripping out the wild life corridors beside railway tracks because of leaves falling on the lines.

My fellow sparrows and I are finding it increasingly difficult to find anywhere to live because of this type of human activity.

Sorry folks you will have to learn to be more patient and not worry about the concept of time and wanting to be everywhere else all at the same time, because we don't.

So it is possible to do with less and be of benefit, hmmm ?

What am I saying, everyone is going to use the car more, oh, please don't !
This is a monopoly hiding behind the word service.
[info]unlikelylad wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 11:52 am (UTC)
The rail service is an offensive one, it neither delivers efficiency nor pleasure. The passengers pay through the nose for the experience of being crammed into a confined, invariably crowded space for too long a period of time. The only way to travel and guarantee a seat is to pay for a first class ticket which, due to cost, is out of reach of the many. Customer service is a falacy, punctuality is better but the sacrifice is over crowding. For the most part the passenger is made to feel unwanted and an inconvenience. All of this and they want 6% a year more! I was met last night by a man shouting about the loss of service because 350 jobs are to go. I would have far greater sympathy if what went before was indeed a service worthy of saving. Every day and every night people sit on the floor, trampled on and kicked. Beyond a certain time train travel is not safe. Abusive behaviour and unruly drunks put normal people in fear. There is no protection and no railway presence to control or comfort the single traveller. It is a horror story that never gets told unless it ends in tragedy. So don't expect me to feel grateful that dividends are rising or that National Express own my frachise, I am not. This industry is only in good shape because customer satisfaction is hidden below a mountain of inane statistics and lies. It is in good shape because the taxpayer pays for the government guaranteed loans and then again for the privalidge of using the product. It is another shameful part of UK PLC.
Let them go to the wall
[info]barrie_redfern wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 11:58 am (UTC)
Quite frankly if any companies have to go to the wall in the recession it should be this lot. I am sick of their whining and excuses. What a perfect way of taking rail back into public ownership without paying a penny!
Poppycock
[info]spnfl wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 01:43 pm (UTC)
Passenger numbers drop because people like me are so scared of losing their jobs due to lateness caused by our p*ss-poor public transport. God DAMN those conservative wolves in socialist clothing who have done this. I still don't have a driving licence at 28 years of age and i certainly don't want to be a car-owner, but I can totally understand why people do bite the bullet and succumb to the urge, as at least twice a week my whole day is ruined (i.e. my mood) by the sub-standard, extortionately priced bus and train services in Leeds. I doubt they are much better anywhere else in the UK. It doesn't take a complete half-wit to figure out that this is the legacy left by privatisation, as businesses have their own interests held above public interests. The worst thing of all is that we have no light at the end of the tunnel, as all we can vote for are fat, grey, pompous a-holes who claim to be "Labour" and who are marginally less socially conservative than the real Tories, or the demons themselves.
Not a surprise
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Thursday, 22 January 2009 at 12:24 am (UTC)
Anyone who travels by rail these days is either crazy or has not passed their driving test yet, but even then they could walk or cycle or hitchhike or some other alternative. No wonder the roads are so busy! Having recently spent 2 years commuting to London I cannot conceive of why anyone would choose to use the railways when there is another option available. How can they ever expect to increase passenger numbers when the cards are so stacked against them:

* cost - for one person use of (3rd class) rail and use of car are similar; parking can be expensive but not everyone lives near a station and may have to use expensive station car parks anyway. If more than one person is travelling rail does not stand a chance. How come EasyJet can fly me to Rome for less than it costs for me to take the train to London (with a seat too) - and they make money without government subsidies?

* convenience - no waiting, no taxis, no delays, no having to stand up in grubby smelly corridors, no rude patronising staff

* comfort - you are guaranteed a seat, you will be warm in winter and cool in summer (the trains from Reading to Paddington have their heaters on full blast in the middle of summer to encourage you to shell out the extra for the "second class" compartments (note I have downgraded the class of tickets because it would not be legal to claim the compartments were in any way first class)), trains crammed so full that if it was cattle it would not be legal, you don't get off after a 30 minute journey feeling burnt out and dishevelled.

* rude staff - like the guy who thought it was highly amusing that my ticket did not work and I had to queue to have it replaced for the fourth time that month, the driver who laughed out of the window at me instead of letting me on, sitting on the station for 2 minutes watching me, the ticket office guy who shouted at me to "f*ck off from my station" when the train was cancelled and I decided to walk to the next station (admittedly saying "stupid f*cking railways" under my breath)... And of course rail and underground strikes - if you want to be communists f*ck off to Russia, comrades.

Basically, if you show contempt for your customers they will go elsewhere regardless of how environmentally unfriendly it may be. It won't be long before the rail companies are being bailed out by the government like the banks are now...
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