Summertime camps boom: The 'Godless alternative' for non-believers
Even atheists are joining the rush to take the American way and pack off the kids for fresh air holidays. Jerome Taylor reports
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The British camp, which will be held in Somerset at the end of July, is the first that Camp Quest has held outside of North America
Atheists have become the latest group to cash in on Britain's booming summer camp industry by creating the country's first-ever retreat for irreligious children. Billed as a "godless alternative" to traditional religious summer camps, the five-day retreat is being hosted by Camp Quest, an American organisation which uses the advertising slogan "Beyond Belief" and has a growing following in the States.
The existence of a humanist summer camp where religion is approached in a critical and rational manner adds to a growing pantheon of US-style holiday getaways in Britain ranging from evangelical Bible schools to fat camps for obese teenagers.
Camp Quest was founded in 1996 as an alternative to the Boy Scouts of America, which insists on members signing a "Declaration of Religious Belief". In response Camp Quest set up an alternative summer camp for the children of "atheists, agnostics, humanists, freethinkers and all those who embrace a naturalistic rather than supernatural world view".
The organisation has steadily grown in popularity and Camp Quest now holds annual gatherings in five American states and in Ontario, Canada.
The British camp, which will be held in Somerset at the end of July, is the first that Camp Quest has held outside of North America.
Samantha Stein, the 23-year-old organiser of the British version, attended a Camp Quest in Michigan in 2007 and decided to open up an equivalent camp in the UK.
"When I got back from Michigan I began researching summer camps in the UK and I was surprised by how many had a distinctly religious affiliation," she said. "There are many summer camps that cater for children with religious beliefs but there was nothing for children who are not religious and want to be able to discuss rational humanism with other non-believers."
In recent years Britain's summer camp industry has evolved to offer a vast array of American-inspired retreats, particularly within the evangelical Christian community.
The exact number of religious camps in the UK is unknown but Christian Camping International, an umbrella organisation which represents many of the evangelical groups that run religious getaways, claims more than one million Britons attend faith vacations through their affiliates every year.
Britain's growing obesity problem has also led to an explosion of American-style "boot camps" for overweight children and other versions, from rock camps to eco-retreats.
Camp Quest hopes that non-religious parents who might have been put off from sending their children to a faith-based retreat will now consider it instead. The organisers remain adamant, however, that the camp will not have a proselytising "atheist agenda".
"We don't teach children not to believe in God, we simply tell them it's OK not to believe in God," said Edwin Kagin, the 68-year-old founder of Camp Quest.
Miss Stein, studying for a Masters in religion at King's College London, said you do not have to be an aetheist to attend. "Most who have signed up come from non-religious backgrounds but the camp would be open to anyone who was religious as well," she said.
"We want to provide a space where people can learn that it is OK to be an atheist and that a lack of religion does not mean a lack of morals or ethics."
More than half of the 30 places have already been booked on the camp, which costs £275. Crispian Jago, an IT consultant from Hampshire, is sending his 12-year-old daughter India and 11-year-old son Peter to the camp.
"We're a non-religious family but not anti-religion," he said. "A lot of my religious friends insist their morality stems from a divine source rather than a natural one but I want my children to know they can have morals and ethics without needing to resort to a faith."
The five days in Somerset will consist of traditional outdoor activities such as canoeing and cycling, combined with discussions about religion and non-belief. The centrepiece of the camp is an ongoing discussion where participants are encouraged to try to disprove the existence of unicorns, which serve as a metaphor for God.
Campers are told that two unicorns live in the area and cannot be seen, heard or touched. The adult councillors pretend to believe in the unicorns on the basis that an ancient book handed down through the generations says they exist. The children are encouraged to try to prove that the unicorns do not exist. If anyone is successful they will be awarded a £10 note which has a picture of Charles Darwin on it and is signed by leading atheist academic Richard Dawkins.
In the US the prize is a "godless" $100 bill from before 1957, which was when the US placed the phrase "In God We Trust" on all its notes. No child has definitively disproved the existence of unicorns and won the prize. "The idea of the unicorn debate is not to prove God doesn't exist, it is to illustrate that having such debates with religious people is futile because in the end faith trumps everything," said Miss Stein.
In recent months British atheists have begun reasserting themselves against what they believe is the increasing political demandsof faith groups. In January, Christian evangelical groups were forced to launch an advertising blitz after a coalition of non-believers, led by the comedian Ariane Sherine and Professor Dawkins, paid for bus adverts stating: "There is probably no God: now stop worrying and enjoy your life."
Forget 'Hi-De-Hi!': The new breed of camps
Street dancing camp: Want your child to wow the Britain's Got Talent judges? Try urban dance camps in Birmingham.
Rock camp: The YMCA at Fairthorne Manor near Southampton runs a School of Rock but without the drugs.
Eco-camp: Mill on the Brue is a non-profit Somerset based camp that teaches kids the benefits of a environmentally sustainable lifestyle.
Fat camp: Fit Farms in the Peak District has a series of "boot camps" for the overweight, including young people.
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According to friends of mine who have attended the rival Catholic Scouts or Guides de France, some branches of the religious version can resemble quasi military training camps, where young aristo and upper class boys are pushed to their limits to be tough, the backbone of Catholic France. My friends do not exaggerating, we surely all remember the teenage boys drowned at Peros Guirec, ordered to cross a dangerous tidal bay in cockleshell boats by their rather strange, devout and fanatical priest scoutmaster.
Dawkins et al talk a lot about religious indoctrination as child abuse, about Muslim children and Catholic children as being dangerous names. Is irreligious or atheist children the same thing?
How about camps where you just have fun and the whole religious thing is left out completely.
I can't wait for the day when religion is just seen as a terribly quaint idea from a bygone era and no one has to argue for or against it.
No. All atheism is is a lack of belief in god/gods therefore it isn't a belief system. Presumably there will be no mention of a god. It will be a non religious secular alternative. So yes these will be camps where you just have fun and the whole religious thing is left out completely.
I also like the following:
"The existence of a humanist summer camp where religion is approached in a critical and rational manner..."
As if those who are religious are neither rational or capable of critical analysis and engage in neither.
Why not just have a camp? Just...camp. I went on several school camps, and scout camps where religion didn't come into either, so why the heavy focus on a "godless" camp, and the assertation that there is no alternative for "non-believers"? Surely a secular or general camp IS an alternative to a faith one.
Did you actually read the article with an open mind, or just through the goggles of your faith-head prejudices, wer_wind_blows? You completely missed this bit, obviously: ' The organisers remain adamant, however, that the camp will not have a proselytising "atheist agenda". "We don't teach children not to believe in God, we simply tell them it's OK not to believe in God," '
'"The existence of a humanist summer camp where religion is approached in a critical and rational manner..."
As if those who are religious are neither rational or capable of critical analysis and engage in neither.'
Well, I'm sorry, but if the shoe fits, wear it. Irrationality and poor skills of critical analysis ARE traits of your typical god-botherer, I'm afraid. You might not recognize this unflattering truth, or want to accept it, but that doesn't make it any less true.
And while I agree with your last comment about how there shouldn't really be a need for a specifically humanist summer camp, the sad reality is that while faith groups and religious proselytizers hijack summer camps to infect children with the mind-viruses of their silly, dangerous beliefs, there will also be a need for humanist summer camps to inoculate children against them. Only when faith-based summer camps disappear, along with their proselytizing, indoctrinating threat, will it be safe for humanist summer camps to do likewise.
We all have a bias, so don't pretend like I'm the only one with a world-view.
Irrationality and poor skills of cricial analysis are traits typical of human beings in general, but people will always assume that those of faith are the only ones who have these traits :) it's true that there are many who do irrationally and poorly defend their faith, but there are also many who do the opposite. The point I'm making is that an assumption is made that NO ONE of faith is rational or critical when there is an entire field around criticically analysing the Bible undertaken by those who believe it.
So I do accept that there are those who are irrational, but I don't accept that that applies to all. And how would you deal with those who are? Also, are you willing to recognise or accept the unflattering truth that ALL people are capable of being irrational, uncritical and close-minded, atheists included?
How are religious people hijacking summer camps? If they make their own summer camps and invite anyone to come or not come, they're hardly hijacking.
And what exactly is the "mind virus" they are "infecting" children with?
In this particular camp, they're not taught specifically not to believe God's exist, but they're taught how to potentially believe He doesn't exist. Subtle indoctrination, but still indoctrination.
You said it yourself. Anyone who believes in an invisible man in the sky despite all evidence pointing otherwise demonstrates the point. Faith isn't rational or indeed logical. Faith is believing without evidence. Religions are lies. One day Christianity will be treated as mythology just like the ancient world's religions. And I for one can't wait! Bring on the secular camps!
Who believes in an invisible man in the sky? Common misconception there ;)
Faith isn't rational or logical? Interesting then that many people believe that nothing can produce everything we see in the universe despite evidence to the contrary, or that given enough time, the impossible becomes highly probable. It takes a greater deal of faith to believe that all we see here came through random processes despite all evidence to the contrary.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. It is not believing without evidence, it's confidence in what isn't right in front of you in it's entirety, but that you're absolutely certain will come.
Those who place faith in God do so because they see evidence of His existence, His majesty, His justice, His love and His creativity, and they believe that He is active in what He created.
Religions are misconceptions. Mankinds own attempt to build a stairway to heaven from his own resources. Doesn't work that way. Indeed, one day religions will cease for Jesus Himself said:
"For the day is coming when you shall neither worship on this mountain or in temples, but those who worship the Father shall worship Him in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such to be His worshippers."
I for one can't wait either :p
I will say before I go though that it's ironic that people say other religions will fade into mythology like the ancient world religions, when Greek Mythology has had and still has a MASSIVE influence on modern thought and science. Even though they may have attributed gods to different aspects of creation, the greek ideas were very similar to naturalism and neo-darwinism.
'Everyone, young and not-so-young, should enjoy a camp once every year or maybe every couple of years,' says ianflewis. Why? What has 'everyone' done to diverse this torture? We really need to remember that not all kids are the same, and while summer camp may indeed do some of them some good, it will be a waking nightmare for others. Forget the doxia and think of the praxis - it is not one size fits all.
Thank God (?!) the notion of a British summer camp was unheard of in my day - that is, unless you watched 'The Double Deckers'!
Those that don't want to hear about a loving, caring God can choose themselves to go to an atheist camp if they wish to. That's their right to choose and make their own personal decision of faith or 'no faith'. Long may that option remain!
Jim Hammett, Chief Executive, CCI. www.cci.org.uk
"...despite comments to the contrary are not 'indoctrinated' ..."
not conflict with your second statement
"They are presented with biblical material that they can then make their own mind up about and decide whether it is something they wish to consider further."
????
If they are not intended as aids in indoctrination, then what are these 'biblical materials' doing there in the first place?
"Those that don't want to hear about a loving, caring God can choose themselves to go to an atheist camp if they wish to."
That statement is so incredibly smug and patronizing - it is a perfect example of what atheists find so irritating and offensive about the 'godly'.
I don't want to hear about your imaginary god. Presumably, if you believe in a caring god you also believe in an evil spiteful god that causes war, famine, death, poverty, starvation etc etc etc. The point is that there hasn't been alternative camps to go to. Until now if you wanted to go to camps you had to be indoctrinated by the Christian mafia. Also, its not really up to the kids to choose but the parents. Furthermore, if it is their own personal decision then they don't need the bible shoved down there throats when they could be doing more worthwhile and fun activities. If you allow them to make a choice then I guess you also present them with Koranic material? If you really want people to make a personal decision about faith then you shouldn't have "christian camps". Keep the religion out of it and let them decide when they are adults or are you scared they won't be as easy to brainwash once they grown up?
I am of course aware that journalists often take a number of sources and reviews and then distil them down to the story they are interested in, so I was fully prepared to be edited out completely or restricted to a short sentence. Especially as I was only providing a token parental anecdote to give a sample opinion of those signed up to the concept. The quote attributed to me in the article above was, I am pleased to say, relevant and accurately reported.
I did however want to use the comments facility to repeat my other reasons for booking my children onto the camp that did not make the final edit.
I did mention that I would be equally happy to send my children on a general summer camp not affiliated to any particular faith purely for the physical activities (which I know my kids are looking forward to). As I suspect a week away from home would help teach valuable responsibility and social skills. As long as I knew they was no hidden religious agenda. If we lived in a world were ancient myths were not afforded such reverence then I would concede that specific non religious camps would not be needed. Sadly we do not yet live in such a world.
I also mentioned the usefulness of learning some basic logical philosophy and critical thinking skills of which I have seen little evidence in their school work. I would hope that the thinking skills taught at Camp Quest are applied to a wider set of credulous beliefs to help children evaluate and reach their own decisions on a wide range of topics such as alternative medicines, paranormal claims and conspiracy theories.
The other point I made to the journalist was my belief in the need to teach children how to think, not what to think. From my research on Camp Quest I have confidence that this exactly what they aim to do. I have no more desire to have my children indoctrinated into an Atheist viewpoint than I have to have them indoctrinated into a Jewish, Islamic or Christian viewpoint. I just want them to be able to think for themselves and reach a logical and rational explanation for the world they will inherit from us.
Exactly - if the religious have their camps, the non-religious must have theirs too, to offer an alternative and strike a balance. And the religious cannot accuse non-religious summer camps of 'atheist indoctrination' (which is a lie, anyway) while still trying to claim that their religious camps do not attempt religious indoctrination (which is also a lie, of course - they patently DO).
When I was young, my parents were members of the local church, friends of the local vicar, and enrolled us in Sunday School, so it could be argued they tried their damnedest to turn me and my siblings into good little Christians (I am happy to report that they ultimately failed miserably). I also used to go to 'cubs', but I was eventually put off the whole thing, and never progressed to the 'scouts', because everything with Jesus-this and God-that, and I just got sick of everyone ramming religion down my throat at every turn (which I knew, even at that age, to be a load of silly, superstitious tosh). I wish there had been a humanist alternative to Sunday School and the cubs/scouts when I was young - I would have loved it!
And I've worked at a number of camps over the last ten years and religion doesn't come into at all. THis whole thing just actually baffles me... they're not 'godless' if they're asking children to prove a man-made creature doesn't exist. Why not just ask them to prove God or Allah or whoever doesn't exist?
All in all... does it matter if they do or don't? If everyone just kept their beliefs to themselves and got on with it, the world would be an incredibly peaceful place...
I don't understand their logic. Are atheists showing the kids that they can NOT disprove the existence of unicorns (God)? That seems to go against what the atheists' aim. Besides, Christians usually point more toward their evidence FOR God existence. It seems to me that the atheists would want to spend their time trying to argue AGAINST the Christians' arguments of evidence FOR God's existence. That is unless the atheists think that they don't have really good arguments against the Christians' arguments FOR God.
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