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Synod votes to ban clergy from joining the BNP

By Jerome Taylor

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, addresses the General Synod yesterday. Anglicans have become increasingly concerned that the British National Party is portraying itself as a mainly Christian organisation

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The Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, addresses the General Synod yesterday. Anglicans have become increasingly concerned that the British National Party is portraying itself as a mainly Christian organisation

The Church of England has voted, in an emotionally charged debate at the General Synod, to ban clergy from becoming members of the BNP.

Anglicans have become increasingly concerned that the British National Party is portraying itself as a mainly Christian organisation. Yesterday's vote represented a clear desire to distance the Church from any far-right nationalist sentiment.

The proposal to ban the BNP was put forward by a lay synod member who works for the police and received backing from the archbishops of Canterbury and York, and the former Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Ian Blair. The motion does not immediately forbid clergy from becoming members of the BNP but it does ask the House of Bishops to formulate a policy comparable to the one adopted by Britain's police forces which forbids their members from supporting the BNP. The motion would also effect some lay church staff.

Vasantha Gnanadoss, a civilian who works for the Met and the ban's architect, urged synod members to vote in favour of the motion in order to make it "much more difficult" for far-right organisations to portray themselves as ideologically Christian or claim that they had support within the Church.

She said: "If supporting organisations like the BNP is inconsistent with Christian discipleship, it seems obvious that clergy and others who speak for the Church should not be members."

Last year, a list of 12,000 BNP members was leaked on the internet. Five Church of England clergy members were on the list although none was a serving Anglican priest at the time. Others members on the list showed clear Christian affiliations, including bell ringers and cathedral tour guides.

Although previous synods in 2004 and 2007 said racism was incompatible with Christian values, this is the first time that the Church has specifically approved a ban on political membership. Under current guidelines there are no restrictions on members of the clergy or those working for the Church from joining a political party.

If the ban comes into effect, Anglican clergy will join police, prison guards and immigration officers as being one of a few professions where being a member of the BNP is forbidden.

The motion was passed overwhelmingly and without any of the three amendments which would have watered down the ban or removed specific reference to the BNP. When the vote came in, it was revealed that 322 members voted in favour of a ban compared to just 13 against and 20 abstentions.

The motion was also passed despite concerns that it will not be legally enforceable. William Fittal, secretary general to the Synod, has warned that human rights law may make a ban on the BNP impossible to enforce because the party is not politically proscribed. Supporters of the motion managed to argue that a ban should be looked at regardless of its legal enforceability.

Simon Darby, the deputy leader of the BNP, reacted angrily to yesterday's vote and accused the Church of England of being "un-Christian". "It's a witch-hunt," he said. "You can't have an organisation passing itself off as Christian while embarking on thoroughly vindictive and un-Christian behaviour."

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The bnp...
[info]eddy767 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 02:08 am (UTC)
Hello. im a british citizen 17, and everywhere i see people calling bnp when most of the members are great, down to earth people, and most likely is, afew nutcases in the bnp, but. By God! how many people in the labour and all them others are nutcases, stealing money for doing nothing, and hireing their son's to work for them and paying them though Dads wagers all over the uk... im not radical or whatever they are, ive heard this on the bbc news channel 1.
Re: The bnp...
[info]jimg66 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 08:24 am (UTC)
And Adolph Hitler loved his mum and was kind to dogs. He meant well and was a right laugh, just that he held slightly dodgy ideals about race and was responsible for the odd genocide or two. But, hey, there's always a few 'nutters' out there are.
Re: The bnp...
[info]boudica_brown wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 08:44 am (UTC)
Well-meaning people don't join neo-nazi nationalist organisations. Full stop.

There is nothing 'down to earth' the BNP's policies, desires and outlook -- not on British soil. Here in Britain we have anti-neo-nationalist earth.
Synod votes to ban clergy from joining the BNP
[info]notolabour wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 02:08 am (UTC)
I was thinking of becoming a member of the BNP but now I will have to settle for just voting for them.
Grafted Branch
[info]redroseandy wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 04:43 am (UTC)
Christianity is a branch that is grafted onto the Jewish tree, and could be easily cut off again by too many hypocrites. As the early Christians were Jewish there is no room for racism in the Church.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 04:51 am (UTC)
Can Black or Asian people join the BNP ? Is there a Black Chapter or Asian Chapter in the BNP ?
BNP and christianity
[info]abdulbasit2 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 06:40 am (UTC)
It brings a smile to my lips when I consider the BNP's claim to be Christian. If Jesus and Mary were present day Church leaders the group that would oppose them the most would be...erm... the BNP. They want to take the King of the Jews as their leader? Oh the hypocrisy of it all!!!
Judas' all of them.
Re: BNP and christianity
[info]singingbird85 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 03:11 pm (UTC)
Errr,who was it who said that 'Religion was the opiate of the Masses',Karl Marx I think.And where do we find committed Communists?Nu Labour I think.Who advocated Globalisation in his theories?Karl Marx who postulated that Communism would result after the revolution and all national boundaries would be destroyed.
Brown's mad vision of a Globalised World is fired by his Marxists beliefs and is a con to destroy British Society as Nu Labour want a Marxist world with no national boundaries and no religion.
BNP and the Church
[info]isaacbrown1 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 08:39 am (UTC)
The Church has sent a strong and offensive signal to white people in the UK (and anywhere else for that matter) that they (the Church) disapprove of the right of people to excercise their natural choice or preference towards others with whom they percieve to have a closer ancestry, closer shared history. This is not only a fundamental denial of the human rights of BNP members but is wicked, sinful and unchristian. Imagine if the Church discriminated against a black or Muslim organisation!
BNP
[info]scot_in_canada wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 08:48 am (UTC)
As an ignorant Canadian, can someone fill me in on this BNP? What do they stand for, what are they trying to accomplish? Apparently, the Anglican church, police, prison guards, and immigration officers have just given them some free publicity. However, "ultra-right wing" cannot be a good thing in a multicultural country like yours.
Re: BNP
[info]singingbird85 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 05:45 pm (UTC)
Try looking at B.N.P. website to answer your questions.If you do I think you might forget about other 'British' P.C. websites.
CoE v BNP
[info]marcovanpenners wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 09:16 am (UTC)
Quite right too.

Even if it is not legally enforcable it puts the message across that the BNP has no link with the CoE and any claim made by the BNP otherwise can and would be clearly refuted by the symbolic ban.

Mark, London
[info]peteloud wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 09:35 am (UTC)
It is a shocking assessment of C of E clergy that such ban a ban needs to be considered.
GOOD
[info]soaring_eagle1 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 09:43 am (UTC)
Thank goodness someone is showing common sense.

This insidiouse party must not be allowed to continue its racist, Nazi ways by a whispering campaign and turning the people stupid enough to listen to thier deeply disturbing lies. Ably assisted by this government and the medias fear mongering.

Isn't it funny that so called democracy only works when bad people want to rule the world!

This is how Molsley and his black shirts started, the Hitler youth and all the bad stuff that started the war that was fought to prevent people like these from ever getting to power again. The veterans of both the WW1 and WW2 must wonder what has gone wrong with the world, many of them lost friends, brothers and sisters to make this country free, and not to allow the rise of Nazism again, if you read about what happend leading up to the second world war, the similarities are so close it is like deja vue.


We must fight to keep Britain BNP free, by fighting seats in elections and getting someone else in and not voting anymore onto the councils, and for God sake people who support them in anyway you are all starting to sound like a lynch mob not something to be proud of at all and certainly not British.
Re: GOOD
[info]saleriat wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 11:05 am (UTC)
The CoE is itself wedded to the notion that some people are better than others. Their attitudes towards women and homosexuals, the traditional notion of the family is identical to the policies of the odious BNP. the BNP do in fact have some Asian supporters and many members who articulate traditional Christian moral values. The fact that Christians find this embarassing is irrelevant. Those who have actually read Hitler's Mein Kampf could also point out that Hitler justified anti-Semitism with frequent quotes from the New Testament's anti-Jewish clobber verses.
Synod votes to ban clergy from joining the BNP
[info]exportskip wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 10:36 am (UTC)
Thank goodness someone's making a stand and showing some leadership in these times. Do people really think there is something fundamentally flawed about the German people that they allowed the Nazi regime to flourish to the point of genocide? The BNP is a fundamentalist group, founded on the notion that some types of people are better than others. Such ideologies are insidious and use what at first glance might seem to be quite reasonable rhetoric to further their cause, preying on the fears and insecurities of ordinary citizens. The church has done well to distance itself from the BNP.
Prescription for trouble
[info]quapstealer wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 11:07 am (UTC)
One may disagree with a party's policies , but that does'nt mean one should be banned from being a member of it; bombing other countries on trumped up charges of having weapons that they don't have, for example, I would think is very un-Christian, the church, however, seems quite happy to let this particular type of xenephobe stay in their fold.
Down the centuries, time and time again people have resorted to violence in order to fight for their rights; put bluntly, they become terrorists. The nationalists in Northern Ireland, for example would still have one vote per household if they had not resorted to vioence. I hope I'm wrong, but I feel that with these BNP members gradually being squeezed by threats of not being able to keep their jobs in the church, police, prison service, immigration service, etc, we are creating a ticking bomb.
The BNP and the Clergy
[info]jd_hummerstone wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 11:10 am (UTC)
I am a parish priest in the Church of England and would no more join the BNP than I would any other socialist organization, but what the General Synod says about it will play no part whatever in any decision I might take. All their huffing and puffing is a waste of breath.

Airbrushing an embarrassing fact, and being inconsistent...
[info]sickofstupidity wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 12:50 pm (UTC)
While the Synod no doubt wants to portray this decision as a principled stand against racist bigotry, I suspect it has as much to do with them wanting to conceal the embarrassing fact that not all Christians are as nice, tolerant and enlightened in their views as they would like us to believe.

Why should it come as any surprise that there are racists amongst the faithful of the CoE? After all, we already know they have plenty of misogynists (who oppose the ordination of women bishops) and homophobes (who kicked up a stink about the ordination of the American gay bishop, Gene Robinson, and who never seem to miss an opportunity to express their vicious, Old Testament intolerance of homosexuals).

Let's face facts; for all their smug, self-righteous, holier-then-thou piety, many Christians are basically deeply unpleasant people with deeply unpleasant ideas and beliefs, racism being only one of them.

If the Synod finds this reality embarrassing, and wishes to airbrush the image of its institution to conceal (though not remove) these ugly blemishes, then it should at least try to be consistent in its - supposedly principled - moral stance on bigotry and intolerance; it should not only forbid membership of the BNP, but also expressions of ANY form of intolerance, including resistance to the ordination of women bishops, and the naked homophobia of many in its ranks. And regarding the latter, it is deeply ironic (though I suspect the irony is lost on the CoE) that homophobia seems to be particularly vehement and nasty amongst Afro-Caribbean congregations and African bishops - as the recent schism over homosexuality in the Anglican Communion has clearly exposed. It seems that the CoE is all for protecting ethnic minorities from racism, and yet is not prepared to protect the gay minority from the homophobia of ethnic minorities (especially when the latter fill its pews in such large - and growing - numbers). So it appears that, in this case, what is sauce for the goose is evidently not sauce for the gander.

But then, I suppose it's asking too much for the CoE to be morally consistent, isn't it? We have come to expect no better from these silly, muddle-headed old fools in frocks.
What do the BNP stand for?
[info]isaacbrown wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 02:37 pm (UTC)
Scot in Canada, you ask what do the BNP stand for? Well, after so many years of globalisation, immigration, liberalism and internationalism, plus the Marxist political correctness which has been invented to enforce these ideas, it seems rather strange and unfamiliar to espouse nationalism - the antithesis of those aforementioned. But that's what a nationalist party like the British National [geddit?] Party stands for. Unlike internationalism, nationalism is natural - all living beings are attached to a place, their place. What seems to be powering the BNP's rising popularity is a general and increasing dislike of the products of globalisation and internationalism, the current banking crisis being a perfect axample. For many years the global ownership of the media has ensured nationalism in general and the BNP in particular have been denigrated and put in the worst possible light - you have only to read the ignorant and irrational comments criticizing the BNP on this discussion to see that. Think of policies which put you and your nation first and you have the essence of the BNP.
Re: What do the BNP stand for?
[info]richardjeff wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 03:20 pm (UTC)
"all living beings are attached to a place, their place" - Wel think about it man's history is of Nomads, mass migrations, exoduses. We are all the result of a constant too and froing of various wandering groups. The British come from ancient tribes from the steppes of Russia, invadingSaxons, Vikings, Romans, Celts, Picts, Scots, Normans, etc. We invaded and cross fertilised with peoples from Africa, India and many other places. We moved people from place to place as slaves. We have been a territory of France, a ruler of territories across the globe, a number of separate nations and still have internal Nationalisms stretching the concept of British. The only place we are all attached to is the Earth. I am no more "attached" to Britain than I am to my Cat. I will fight for ideals, tolerance, my home and my living and to defend innocents, I will fight to protect my family and friends but not for some muddled idea of race, or nationality, or country.
Re: What do the BNP stand for?
[info]isaacbrown wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 04:12 pm (UTC)
Yes, tribes wandered but within boundaries. Before "we" (and by we, I think you mean Britons) "moved slaves", the people of sub Saharan Africa had been evolving for hundreds of thousands of years in isolation, the vast majority of them kept in by desert and sea. After moving out of Africa about 150,000 years ago some went to E Asia to evolve into the Orientals, others stayed in Europe to evolve into our white European peoples. This evolutionary ancestry has meant that the three different sub races of homo sapiens are better suited within their original environment - Nature made it so. For the last 5000 years since the first Neolithic farmers settled in what we now know as Britain, populations have been mainly fixed to localities - it's only this last 50 or 100 years that transport has allowed mass movement, and I don't think it has been to our advantage, especially when immigration into the UK is concerned. The problem is this - there has never been a free and open public debate about immigration and its advantages or disadvantages. At least the BNP is the only group which is offering this debate to the nation and the voters. And look who opposes it.
Re: What do the BNP stand for?
[info]isaacbrown wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 04:31 pm (UTC)
richardjeff: I see you are "no more "attached" to Britain" than to your Cat". Does this mean that you would give up your ancestral links to Britain [I'm assuming you have such links, but your attitude suggests perhaps you do not], your home and property, leave family and friends and all that makes up British culture and identity, which has made the UK the best country in the world?

What you bizarely describe as a "muddled idea of race, or nationality, or country" is what has always been known to previous generations of our people as love of country, patriotism - it's a natural and healthy instinct, evolved to enable us to have a sense of place and protection. Your instincts appear to lie with the idea of the global village - that will lead to insecurity, destruction, mayhem and war. Good fences make for good neighbours.
Re: What do the BNP stand for?
[info]highlandlassy wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 04:36 pm (UTC)
Well based on your concept of 'what we all are', first things first; lets disband the 'British' forces. What are they fighting for anyway? If 'Not for some muddled idea of race, nationality or country'. what ARE they fighting for?? I am sure they will be the first to expect your answer.
BNP
[info]tom1959 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 04:19 pm (UTC)
Never mind they cant stop people voting BNP ,well not yet anyway.Facism comes in many forms.
BNP
[info]tom1959 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 04:22 pm (UTC)
Never mind they cant stop people voting BNP,well not yet anyway,Facism comes in many forms.
Synod bans BNP
[info]rayatcov wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 04:32 pm (UTC)
This is the same man (Rowan Williams) who thinks we should all embrace Islam the religion of peace.
The same religion of peace that advocates stoning women to death and hanging gay men.
How can they call themselves Christians when condoning these barbaric practices.
As for the BNP, why is it not racist to have a Black Police Association, an Asian Police Association but it is racist to want a white police association.
It's high time the church stopped meddling in politics and concerned it's self with what it is paid (handsomely) for.
Before anyone starts throwing racist remarks at me, let me just say that I am not a member of any political party, nor would wish to be, but would just like a level playing field.
The BNP is a legal political party and as such should have the same rights as other political parties to participate in elections.
But this is the new democracy.
As Henry Ford said all those years ago, "You can have any colour you like as long as it is black".
[info]tube_1 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 05:14 pm (UTC)
Mind your spelling, Jerome. It's "to affect", not "to effect"... (thrid paragraph).

Eric (France)
Is the church also political ?
[info]johnsmith007 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 06:14 pm (UTC)
I thought everyone had the right to religion. or is it only for a the chosen few ?
Extremism must be shown the door
[info]warelane wrote:
Friday, 13 February 2009 at 01:14 pm (UTC)
Well done to the Church of England.
sewer
[info]johannim wrote:
Wednesday, 3 June 2009 at 09:56 pm (UTC)
LIKE THE SEWER CRAWLERS CALL LABOUR/SOCIALISTS AND THEIR SHACKJOB THE TORYS, THE DYING, SELF RIGHTIOUS HYPOCRATES IN THE GAY-SOCIALIST RAINBOW SO-CALLED CHURCH OF ENGLAND SHOW JUST HOW MUCH THEY ARE IN LOVE WITH DEMOCRACY BY BANNING THEIR CLERICS FROM JOINING BNP SAME AS THE REAL FASCIST DID WITH THE LONDON METROPOLITAN POLICE,SEIL HEIL TO ALL THE LEFTIST CORRUPTED THIEVES WHO ARE LOSING THEIR GRIP ON THE ENGLISH, WELSH & SCOTTISH PEOPLE UR 19TH CENTURY ENLIGHTMENT BULLSHIT IS OVER (JUST NEEDS TO BE BURIED). THE BNP IS THE FORCE OF THE FUTURE, GUESS ALL U LABOURY TORY ELISTISTS WILL BE LOOKING TO RELOCATE TO ZIMBABWE OR S. AFRICA U OBVIOULY HAVE NO FUTURE IN THE BRITISH ISLE. OF COUNRCE THIS BLOG WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BY THIS LEFTIST WEDSITE IT'S NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT.

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