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The protests: Baton charges as protesters break into RBS branch

By Chris Green, Jerome Taylor and Mark Hughes

Some demonstrators paid with blood

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Some demonstrators paid with blood

Anti-capitalist demonstrators attacked police officers, stormed a bank and smashed windows as thousands of protesters converged on the City of London for a series events timed to coincide with the G20 summit.

Thirty-two people had been arrested by 10pm, including 11 who drove an armoured car marked Riot Police through the crowd. A man died after collapsing during a protest near the Bank of England last night, despite the efforts of police and paramedics who tried to revive him.

When stopped, the vehicle was searched and police uniforms were found, prompting fears the group had planned to infiltrate police ranks.

Others were held on offences that ranged from possession of class A drugs to criminal damage and obstruction of the highway – a charge that could perhaps have been levelled at all of the 5,000 people who packed the streets and roads around the capital's financial centre.

Two men were arrested on suspicion of aggravated burglary after they smashed their way inside a Royal Bank of Scotland building, lit a fire and then threw computer terminals outside.

But those arrested were in the minority. The four marches, which started at Cannon Street, Moorgate, Liverpool Street and London Bridge stations before arriving at the Bank of England, were largely peaceful.

The first signs of tension came when bankers in the buildings above taunted the protesters by waving £10 notes. This prompted cries of "Jump!" from the crowd below. Police moved in when canisters of red smoke were let off. One officer had his hat snatched from his head. Another was knocked over by one of the anarchist's flagpoles.

One eyewitness claimed he saw a policeman break someone's arm with his baton. Seven protesters were taken to hospital, as was one of the 5,000 police officers on duty across London. As City workers watched from balconies, protesters broke through the police lines and stormed into the Royal Bank of Scotland building on Threadneedle Street.

Some urinated against the walls of the bank while others launched missiles or hung from the signs of the surrounding shops, shouting: "Stand your ground, do not back down," and chanting "revolution". As well as their chants, the protesters carried banners proclaiming messages such as "punish the looters" and "abolish money".

Some of the protesters, whose number included the comedian Russell Brand and the musician Billy Bragg, were veterans who had demonstrated at the May Day protests in 2000 and at the poll tax demonstrations in the 1980s. Russell Hicks, 48, from Hackney, east London, was one of them.

He said: "I thought it was my duty to be here as a citizen of this country. I personally don't feel anger, it's just a matter of supporting one another. If I'm honest, I don't think protesting is going to do very much, because I've got a lot of experience of civil disobedience. The violence is just playing into the hands of the police."

But as early evening arrived, the violence intensified. Outside the Bank of England, protesters burned an effigy of a banker hung from traffic lights.

Others, who were blocked in by police cordons, threw plastic bottles, banners and toilet rolls at officers and chanted: "Let us out. Let us out." At 7.20pm a protester alerted police to the collapsed man, who was found lying in St Michael's Alley. Pelted with bottles, officers moved him to a space outside the Royal Exchange Building where they tried to resuscitate him until paramedics arrived and took over.

The police line at Mansion House Place was also targeted. Protesters threw bottles and the crowd surged towards another line of police nearby only to flee in panic as officers baton-charged. Police also evacuated pubs in the streets around the Bank of England as the night wore on, amid fears that the violence would spill into a larger area. One victim of an outbreak of violence on Bishopsgate, half a mile to the north, said he had been hit in the face by a policeman with a baton.

"They were pushing and hitting people with batons and shields just to move the protesters back by about 20 metres," he said. "It was a completely pointless show of violence. I was just walking along here when they decided to form these lines to contain the protesters. I came down just to see what was happening and I was swept up in it and was hit in the face. The people at the front were shouting 'peace not violence' and 'this is not a riot' but they were brandishing the batons anyway."

Earlier on Bishopsgate, the climate change camp set up by environmental activists had been remarkably peaceful. Despite a heavy police presence , the authorities made no attempt to stop the camp being set up.

At 12.30pm, more than 1,000 environmental activists arrived en masse banging drums, dancing to carnival music and turning the usually staid and grey streets of the Square Mile into a carnival of colour and dancing.

Within minutes the streets were transformed as activists pitched their tents, unfurled banners and covered the street with pro-environment graffiti. The smell of vegan food, incense and cannabis drifted through the air.

Lucy Jones, a 25-year-old demonstrator who has taken part in several protests, including the climate camp at Kingsnorth power station in Kent, said: "I'm very relieved the police didn't try to stop us. I was prepared for a fight but in the end they just let us set up our camp. The Metropolitan Police seem to have learned this time around that confrontation is not the way forward."

But not everyone was happy with the lenient approach of the police. Two anarchists wandering through the camp looked bemused at the lack of violence. One of them said: "I don't believe it, we're in the wrong place for the riot."

The climate change activists plan to stay in the City for 24 hours, meaning their camp, complete with compost toilets, vegan canteens and environmental workshops, will last well into today and for the duration of the G20 summit.

Speaking about yesterday's violence, the Scotland Yard commander, Simon O'Brien, said that most of the protesters had behaved lawfully, but that had been spoiled by "a small hardcore element who wanted to hijack the lawful protest".

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Happy that protests were peaceful
[info]fiery55 wrote:
Wednesday, 1 April 2009 at 11:29 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad that protests were largely peaceful and it seems like police handled it all very well.
Police Should Be Congratulated
[info]mike4626 wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 07:03 am (UTC)
they did a remarkable job of containing a tiny minority of yobs. 'Anti-capitalist demonstrators' - no just run of the mill Friday night yobs
pointless invented details
[info]bondigrybwyll wrote:
Wednesday, 1 April 2009 at 11:38 pm (UTC)
"the smell of vegan food, incense and canabis drifted in the air." i'd like to know how the idiot that wrote this can tell that an item of food is vegan just by smelling it , and do they get paid for this flowery nonsense?
Re: pointless invented details
[info]dd113 wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 02:13 pm (UTC)
"the smell of vegan food, incense and cannabis drifted in the air." Such a manipulative comment...
In other words... 'stay calm, it is just a group of extremists with funny taste in food and the hobby of smoking cannabis. You don't want to be one of them, do you?'

Well... actually it is NOT just a group of anarchists or environmental extremists and the rest that is disgusted with middle classes getting poorer and poorer around the world as small elites are getting richer, more selfish and more arrogant. People start to wake up, from Greece last December to Eastern Europe in the past few months, France last week and London today.

The economic crise was just the final drop. The majority and not some extremists demand a fairer distribution of income and a new approach to economic development. Infinite development on a finite plan is just absurd.

As for the Independent, I am disappointed...
late
[info]wit_ackman wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 12:05 am (UTC)
I was there today, at the protests outside the Bank.

The reporting of the day is quite dodgy. The Guardian seems to have done the best job, so far.

First, let me object to the casual use of the word 'anarchist'. 'Anarchist' seems to be used by all the papers to describe anyone seeking violent protest. This is completely inaccurate. To be an anarchist is to hold certain political convictions; it is not synonymous with 'thug'.

Second, the Police did cause the violence today, though there was very little. The manner in which the 'operation' was carried out suggests that they are either idiots or criminals: either it was a stupidly botched job, or they were trying deliberately to provoke protestors.

First of all they blocked protestors into a small area, unnecessarily. If they hadn't, perhaps the crowd would have dispersed quite early (which would have been disappointing). The article mentions protestors urinating on the bank - well, actually they were mostly urinating in the tube stations, but they had little choice, as all exits to any facilities were blocked.

Not only did they hem us in, but before this they were attempting to arrest children - children: teenagers, 16-19 - for such things as general non-cooperation, refusing to be crammed into the very small pens planned for us (a much smaller area than we eventually claimed, after breaking certain police lines).

They also stamped on protestors hands, attempted to steal banners and flags off some, and generally seemed desperate to demonstrate the weight of their authority (which, if you think about it, IS provoking: it is attempting to inhibit a lawful protest).

And THIS was before it kicked off properly, when officers started brutalising protestors with their state-sanctioned weapons in order to maintain imaginary lines, for no purpose. Why? There is no answer, except, as I have said, idiocy, or the perverse desire to spark violence. I go for the first, but the second is tempting.

But, all in all, enough sensationalising. The protest was not as big as it should have been; the violence was relative little. The protestors were not thugs and 'anarchists'; there were a whole range of different people there - old, young, rich, poor, black, brown, white, red and green. There were a whole range of different views.

But, one common factor I think we can all agree - even the most conservative: that injustice is evident in the world; that our governments are not fighting injustice, but causing injustice. And so, then, in a country where democracy is a myth, we are all, in the eyes of a government that despises us, 'anarchists': we are all anti-government thugs who must be beaten and broken until they submit.

Please forgive any typos, it's late, and it's been a long day.
Love
CW
Re: late
[info]penny_reese wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 06:59 am (UTC)
I don't know the facts for most of this but the 11 arrested with the "riot vehicle" and the "fake police uniforms" are the Space Invaders - an anarchist comedy cabal who do exaggerated impersonations of the people they're protesting to send them up. You'd be about convinced that they were real police as you would be convinced that Al Johnson was Barack Obama. I've seen the "riot vehicle" and it was great, I haven't seen the uniforms, but the suggestion that they were planning to infiltrate the police is rubbish.
Re: late
[info]wit_ackman wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 11:45 am (UTC)
I said that little violence took place; but, having heard about the atrocities at the Climate Camp, let me correct that: the violence of the protestors was very minor. But, it seems from reports that police brutality was majorly excessive.

As other people have noted, there will be no justice for the protestors beaten. Our government, our police, our justice system - they have become abstract, semi-automated, self-serving, over-professionalized. They no longer serve the public.

Some people will still read these accounts and think: "these are just extremists, anarchists: the great silent majority...". Wake up, open your damn eyes, smell the bullshit. The governments of the G20 despise us - they demonstrate this with every new day.

Solidarity
Re: late
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 04:30 pm (UTC)
"Some people will still read these accounts and think: "these are just extremists, anarchists: the great silent majority...". Wake up, open your damn eyes, smell the bullshit. The governments of the G20 despise us - they demonstrate this with every new day."

Very true - these are also the same idiots who put themselves forward for DNA testing and ID cards chanting the imbecilic mantra 'if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear' blissfully unaware that the statement completely undermines our one saving grace from this police state; the technicality 'innocent until proven guilty'
[info]lahaine86 wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 12:11 am (UTC)
Do not comment on how the police handled it well if you weren't there, it was a disgrace they were as up for a fight as the anarchists were. It was peaceful until they got into their riot gear and slowly pushed people back. Someone was smashed round the head sitting down, i saw a man who was taking refuge from the baton charge(who hadn't been in front of the police he was merely avoiding being crushed) take a brutal beating.
They held us in for 5 hours with no communication as to when we could leave. Their brutal handling of this tells a far wider story of the growing yet subtle oppression of the general populous. The message they were trying to get across is that protesting in the future will be futile.
protests
[info]johnnywi wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 12:19 am (UTC)
Both the left and right are taking to the streets. It looks like the thirties all over again. Hope it doesn't end up the same way.
Re: protests
[info]maria68 wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 02:51 am (UTC)
It is true that the Climate Camping had a very peaceful start. But whoever followed what happened next knows it is necessary to do some amends at this stage.

After a few hours of a peaceful demonstration in front of Climate Exchange, the Climate Camping was surrounded by an uncountable number of policemen from all sides. People were sitting down and offering flowers to the police, but they decided for a much quicker way to finish everything: they have pushed everyone, beaten with shields and batons and, finally, released the dogs after the demonstrators. Some people were pursued by the police and their dogs until the end of Shoreditch High Street. What kind of job is this government doing to its people?
Cosh cannabis citizens.
[info]raffred wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 02:45 am (UTC)
first let's straighten a fact, thoses batons are not wooden batons they are metal coshes. I served in the french legion and have had training in crowd control. The police were there to justify the need, so mass problems need to be provoked, but let me tell you it's all part of the plan, truth is no longer needed just as long as i can have mine screw the rest of you is the mind set of our people and culture, and we are all to blame for being spineless, cowardly spoilt self-serving sic o phants. Kiss the future good bye and prepare for dark days as seen so often in history. P.s Quote: nevermind what's been selling, it's what your buying./
Re: Cosh cannabis citizens.
[info]itsthemechanic wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 03:49 am (UTC)
+1
dissent
[info]hjaffe wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 04:54 am (UTC)
Ethical dissent is not continuous but perennial, and now seems the time for it to resurface armed with the elusive knowledge of globalism, the IMF, the G20, the Internet, along with the too palpable evidence of colonialist wars, widespread poverty, and the perilously endangered environment.

Ongoing, purposeful dissent is in the offing.
well done the MET!
[info]leonore35 wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 05:21 am (UTC)
I demoed with CND in the 60s, there was little trouble. Today you get all these vermin coming out of the woodwork dying for a punch up with the police, they are the same ones who cause mayhem
everywhere. So called Anarchists are against any kind of authority so they have to attack it because they have no other argument. Anarchy is apolitical. Ironically it is Anarchy that got us where we are today, they are ridiculous and always have been. A world of anarchy is not even tenable, laws are they basis of civilisation
If you go and get mixed in a crowd with people looking for trouble you cannot blame anyone but yourself for the consequences. The demos achieved nothing except to vent spleen. Trashing a bank office is childish and stupid and I hope they are caught and dealt with severely. It is my bank!
Perhaps it will give a job to whoever has to clean and repair the damage
Old Bill
[info]oldskald wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 05:35 am (UTC)
It's hardly surprising that this thing ended in violence.

As a couple of posters have mentioned the police need to justify their existence. They hyped the fear of violence before the event, and lo and behold, violence we get. A largely disproportionate response, baton charges etc against a whole crowd penned in (even an MP observing was unable to leave) with nowhere to go because perhaps 1% were violent. We've seen this all before. More thoughtful coppers have admitted that the police were largely responsible for the 1981 riots; in the industrial disputes of the 1980s the old bill were up for the fight and provocative; in 1990 again the police were indiscriminate in their response, the list goes on.

I personally know two police officers, although I avoid their company nowadays. I was too disturbed by their language which frankly sounded more like the language of football hooligans. Both of them happily described the pleasure they felt in beating suspects with batons, how they looked forward to demonstrations as an excuse to put their riot control training to use, etc. I should point out that the officers don't know each other, and serve in different forces, and the conversations took place separated by time and place. Now, the nay-sayers will point out that 2 officers are not representative of the mass of honest coppers. Sorry, but I disagree in that, added to the other evidence I have seen with my own eyes, and some shocking cases we have all seen, this is indicative of a thuggish mentality which regards us, the people who pay for the police, as the "enemy", to be treated accordingly.
COWARDS AND BULLIES
[info]potwalloper wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 06:08 am (UTC)
The police behaved disgracefully yesterday - I saw one man with his hands up hit on the legs and then on the head as he fell down, he was then surrounded by police two of them began kicking him; this man had his hands up and was no threat but he was dragged away by these cowards streaming with blood! One young woman was knocked unconscious and carried away by her friends with blood everywhere.

There was little surprise as to their actions unfortunately - after all the police are the means by which this government suppresses legitimate protest while lining their pockets with huge expenses claims and taking back-handers to turn a blind eye to the excesses of the bankers.

The worst of all was their behaviour at the climate camp when they attacked people who were behaving completely peacefully and set the dogs on them.

And these people are supposed to be here to protect us...disgusting.
I believe in Pigs with Wings
[info]xyberia44 wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 06:09 am (UTC)
The Hardcore Mr O'Brien is talking about was the Police, The strong arm of Oppression raises its ugly head.
Quote"Speaking about yesterday's violence, the Scotland Yard commander, Simon O'Brien, said that most of the protesters had behaved lawfully, but that had been spoiled by "a small hardcore element who wanted to hijack the lawful protest".

We all know who the real hijackers are..................

And one should bear in mind a police man/woman is not an OFFICER but a constable..ie PC and WPC. I somehow cant see any of these no brainers ever making it through Sandhurst even if they lowered the entry requirements both on Intelligence and BMI.

Officers are a Salvation Army hahahahaha & Armed forces ranking system, who luckily is yet to be used as a tool of oppression against its own citizens, but for how long, one can only wonder and hope for the best. As Memories of Pinochet and Chile springs to mind.....


Photo of Bloody Protester
[info]2penny_boy wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 06:55 am (UTC)
This is either fake blood or heavily and poorly retouched by your art department. Shame.
biased reporting again
[info]nobblyknees wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 07:11 am (UTC)
The protestors claim that police started the violence. Where is your evidence that this is not the case? In my experience from going on several demonstrations it is nearly always the police that initiate violence. In this instance one claim that several demonstrators have made is that police baton charged the climate camp - which as you say is explicitly non-violent. (see indymedia for example) You don't report that at all - why? Instead you say "protestors attacked bank so got baton charged" but that's a different group of protestors. This is lazy and apparently biased journalism that wants to reduce all conflicts to "six of one and half a dozen of the other" and acts to excuse and obscure police brutality.
Storm in a tea cup
[info]northernsaddler wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 07:56 am (UTC)
From the pictures I've seen there were more press photographers than protestors smashing up the RBS building. Media sensationalism yet again - another case of the press goading morons into playing for the cameras.
Unwarranted Police attack on Peaceful Climate Camp
[info]caoamer wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 08:04 am (UTC)
The protests were not peaceful. Riot police attacked climate camp completely unprovoked, beating peaceful protests with shields and batons as protesters held their hands up in the air singing "peace, not riot, this is not a riot" while getting run down by police as police tore apart the camp where families with children were peacefully sitting. They blocked off the streets using the "kettling" technique trapping anyone and everyone in Bishopsgate, even innocent people who were just wandering through to have a curious look at the camp. They kept us there for hours with no information or explanation and wouldn't even let pregnant women out. Luckily, I was let out before they unleashed the 30 police dogs and chased a group of people, running for their lives, towards Liverpool St. It was one of the most horrific acts of unwarranted police violence I have ever seen.... But of course people are only going to publish things about the violent anarchists and how they beat the poor police. The police incite riots by beating people without cause, and then turn it around to say that it's all the protesters fault; If only we had shields, weapons, safety padding and helmets. I asked the police holding us in, keeping us closer to whatever violence they had provoked instead of letting us get to safety, if they had any extra helmets for us, but they wouldn't answer; They stood staring blankly at us like machines with absolutely no human compassion and no knowledge of the law. It was completely unlawful and they were trying to take away cameras from people who were trying to catch the police brutality under the ridiculous claim if "terrorism" by "capturing police doing their duty"... while at the same time delegates are deciding in a building that such twisted uses of the anti-terrorism laws was unlawful. Absolutely horrific experience.
I DON'T THINK SO
[info]soaring_eagle1 wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 08:10 am (UTC)
ONCE AGAIN THE POLICE HAVE TAKEN THIER IRE OUT ON THE PEACFUL DEMONSTRATORS.

REPORTS ARE LIES AND DAMN LIES AS USUAL.

HAS ANYONE HEARD OF AGITATORS, THESE ARE PEOPLE PUT INTO CROWD SITUATIONS TO STIR UP ILL FEELING AND CAUSE MAYHEM, THE POLICE PUT THEM INTO ALL DEMONSTRATIONS ESPECIALLY ONES THEY WANT TO MAKE LOOK BAD.

LETS FACE IT IF THIS WORLD WAS A FAIR PLACE WE WOULDN'T NEED TO DEMONSTRATE AT ALL.

I COULDN'T GET THERE DUE TO ILL HEALTH. I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THESE PEOPLE DO EXCEPT VIOLENCE AND DAMAGE TO PROPERTY.

THANK GOODNESS SOME OF US ARE PREPARED TO STAND UP FOR PEOPLES RIGHTS INSTEAD OF SITTING THERE BEING CRITICAL OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY ARE DOING FOR THE POOR PEOPLE IN THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES AND THE PLANET AS A WHOLE.
LIKE U.S. VIOLENCE AT 2008 REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION
[info]marialamachete wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 08:21 am (UTC)
We are with you in fighting this state oppression! Please check out our links to support us and send us messages of solidarity. We need to stay together united to struggle peacefully for a better society here and in Europe and everywhere!
CRASS
(Community Response Arrestee Support Structure for the 818 illegally rounded up at the 99.9 % peaceful protests)
RNC8 ( for the 8 organizers facing terrorism for mere though crimes and verbal organizing!)
RNC08
RNC800
supportdustin.wordpress.com
supportjesse.wordpress.com
Coldsnap legal collective
National Lawyers guild
Democracy NOW! (regarding the false arrest of reporter Amy Goodman and other reporters, including college and A.P. )
Please post links to other continued efforts to document and sue. We are working together in the U.S. to support British citizen David Mahoney, falsey charged with felonies during the RNC. Activists at the NY 2004 RNC are now winning their civil suits, and we hope to do the same to show them we will not take this! What will you do? How can we help write about this, and spread the word in the media? Mainly Indymedia and other independent outlets are doing it, but we all need to get the word out.
I would be interested in hearing the accounts of those of you who were there-you can email me at McCain RetirementCommitte at g.mail.com
thanks, and keep up the resistance and documentation of this oppression and your PEACEFUL efforts!!!
climate camp Demo
[info]ayegrand wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 08:25 am (UTC)
Shockingly 1 sided reporting above.

I was at climate camp until 11.40 last night. The protesters put up minimal resistance and were met by a surprising brutality by a large minority of police. They were vicious in many cases with their shields. I witnessed a girl being pushed over from behind and falling flat on her face. As her friend attempted to help her to her feet he was battered about the face and head with fist and sheild.

Having penned all of the climate camp in from 7.00 pm until at least 11.40 pm (when I left) the protesters remain surprisingly docile.

A tryumph for peaceful protest in the face of unquestionable inept policing.
What do they really want?
[info]solvoxuno wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
It is immensely difficult to get at any real news today. Pointing fingers is pretty purposeless, but the fact remains that we can only rely on ourselves and our abilities to reason to find sense between the lines. A massive war has been going on and it hasn't been fought with bombs and bullets, but with information, by corporatism, and the oligarchy and a substantial percentage of the work dependent people are the focus of their derision. I won't bother putting links to all the data in black and white because the article would not be printed and I won't waste my breath in lengthy explanations because I don't hold a degree in any academic indoctrination. Memorandum 200, the people behind the UN, IMF, World Bank and their political sponsorships and the damage they have caused to appear to produce solution, the financing of rightwing and leftwing political regimes in our history, funneling the wealth of countries to the top tier off shore, loss of pensions, jobs, savings, homes. Drug experimentation on the peoples within respective borders throughout the years. Advisors; financial and scientific, i.e. increase of taxes wealth confiscation, new taxes and depopulation plans, eugenics and genocide, the terrorist ties to secret services. Psychological, mental, medical, physical abuse of children and abductees in "care." See how many of the finite number of names and families popup with interests in various fields. If you think the looming desire for heavy internet censorship has anything to do with piracy, you are sorely mistaken; it is the only place to get independent non affiliated information from investigative reporters and vigilant people, but of course no degree, not taken seriously. Of course this is all nonsense; these powerful and super rich have simply made more mistakes recently and they really want the best for the peoples of the earth, sure!
protests
[info]nabuco0 wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 08:42 am (UTC)
The real anarchist criminals where not the people on the streets wich probably where provoked by the police, as usual, but the bankers waving with banknotes.Those anarchistic criminals where not bothered by the police. They where protected by the police... for the dammage wich they imposed on the world!

Power allways protects itself and they do this allso with comments like this article by Chris Green, Jerome Taylor and Mark Hughes.
Offencive weapons?
[info]berewic wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 09:15 am (UTC)
With all these media photographs/films of police carrying offencive weapons and assaulting members of the public, I wonder how many police officers will be prosecuted by our "justice" system.
I expect not one of the thousands of criminal offences committed by the security forces will see the inside of a court.

Actions liable to occasion a breach of the peace...
[info]oldskald wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 09:26 am (UTC)
And of course, we must ask why the police didn't march into the bankers buildings and arrest the bankers waving tenners under that wonderful catch-all "actions liable to occasion a breach of the peace"? Whatever you think about the protests yesterday that single omission indicates where the loyalties of the police really lie. You may believe that the protests were legitimate expressions of the feelings of a part of the population; you may believe them to be misguided or even destructive to the system in which you believe. However, whichever view you take we have to acknowledge that a foundation of a free society is equality before the law - including bankers and the police.

The actions of those bankers was deeply provocative, potentially inciting a riot, and the protestors are to be commended for not rising to the bait (or perhaps not - failure to break the law is simply a duty). If the riot had started at that point then serious questions would have to be asked about the actions of the bankers. Because it didn't they are free to insult and provoke the next time without any inkling of responsibility for their own behaviour. And perhaps one of the reasons that people are so angry is exactly that some parts of the population appear to be above the law, whilst others feel the full force of overkill by the agents of the law. I would urge all those who witnessed police brutality or over-reaction to complain to the IPCC as it is possibly the only way to make the police understand that they are also bound by the law, and that they need to modify their behaviour - or the next time it could be far, far worse.

Lastly, I'm really quite concerned at the level of reporting of this story in the Independent. Surprisingly I got a more balanced view on CNN of all places...
Active Citizenship
[info]russell_higgs wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 10:05 am (UTC)
I am the slightly misspelled and paraphrased "veteran" activist mentioned above.

On the subject of violence. I appreciate the concept that the state itself is founded upon violence and therefore there are citizens who believe it is only through violence directed against the state and its representatives that affective changes can be brought about. But ultimately violence tends to feed those who wish to limit our liberty further. I believe that bad ideas can only really be defeated by better ideas.

Secondly I believe it to be crucial that we instigate mainstream public debates regarding police powers and citizen's rights. Among the many issues we need to examine is the absurd concept being propagated by the police that we are not allowed to take pictures of police "engaged in their duty." The police must never ever be allowed to operate without us recording and witnessing their actions. We must demand Equiveillance not just Surveillance.
Are we in agreement?
[info]andyfisk wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 10:34 am (UTC)
It seems to me the protesters are correct in assessing the failure of the system, the immediate of complete climate disaster and the corrupt nature of the system that takes from the poor i.e third world countries. If so then we should congratulate the protesters for taking to the streets on our behalf when the rest of us mostly don't have the nerve. Well done to you all - a few broken windows is nothing in comparison to the abuse the RBS trades in with fossil fuels and the arms trade via BAE
Very poor and biased reporting - Shame on you!
[info]independentista wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 10:49 am (UTC)
This is the sort of reporting I'd expect to find in the Daily Express. Check out the video on the Guardian site which clearly shows the police beating people sitting peacefully on the ground. As for the eye witness account from someone who left a 1 pm!!!!!!!!!!
police violence
[info]ouldbob wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 10:50 am (UTC)
Again?
Terrorism is Opposition.
[info]blastarrbxiii wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 12:21 pm (UTC)
I like the way in which these demonstrator have recently been portrayed in the Newspapers.
NOT far short of being terrorists. They'll be labeled Insurgents soon!!. Then militants..

Whipping up the Muppet Public AGAINST those that would have a voice.
Liebour et el, don't want you to have a voice against, or for anything.
That is what Dictatorships do.

If liebour actually listened to a word you said, [they don't] people wouldn't take to the streets to be heard in the first place.

These political parties want you to put an X on a piece of paper at a time to suit them, then to shut up for 5 years,
then to put another X on a piece of paper, then to shut up again.
Wanting people to take no further envolvement in the running of the Country other than to carry out the political idealism of the incombant government of the day.
Which is placed ABOVE that of the People and used to 'ride roughshod' over them.

Very similar to Nazism in the 1930's and 40's, IN BOTH CASES turning and fighting against the British People.

The police being the bully boy fascists that they are, will go along with anything as long as some of them get to crack a few heads now and then, Women, kids, pensioners, they don't mind the blood being spilt around the place... as long as it isn't there's!.

This government doesn't want ANY opposition in ANY shape or form.
It's why it doesn't like terrorism.

Terrorism is Opposition.
Terrorism is Opposition.
Terrorism is Opposition.

Shocking isn't it!.

It isn't a fight against Terrorism, it's a fight against Opposition.
They are out to stop all opposition, whatever form it takes.
.

protester killed?
[info]gokarna1234 wrote:
Thursday, 2 April 2009 at 02:02 pm (UTC)
I was on Cornhill in Bank yesterday and saw a man beaten to the ground with steel asps/truncheons and then dragged behind the police line - the police crowded round him on the ground and the crowd surged back and a couple of bottles were thrown - mostly, if not all plastic - I didn't see any hit the police, this was between 7-8 o'clock - if that was the guy that died then the police beat him to death, no question. I wasn't a protester, just went to look after work.
THE RBS AND IN ENGLAND?
[info]famulla wrote:
Friday, 3 April 2009 at 06:57 am (UTC)
RBS and the glasses broken. The Scots will be furious. Will they be? I wonder. As is, the bank had little cash. All knew this. Then why, why, why break the glasses? No offence, I saw this in the TV and comment exactly the way the reporter stated.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla

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