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'We are trained to kill, so civilian life is tough'

In a remarkable and brave interview, Johnson Beharry reveals the daily torment he faces after fighting for his country – and explains why he is still fighting for his Army comrades

Interview by Terri Judd

Lance Corporal Johnson Beharry: 'If I fall asleep, I relive all the battles. I start sweating'

TERI PENGILLEY

Lance Corporal Johnson Beharry: 'If I fall asleep, I relive all the battles. I start sweating'

Two young men stood nose to nose on a south London street a few months ago, in a furious argument over a minor car accident so heated it had to be broken up by police.

The scene would have been utterly common place, banal even, had one of the young men involved not been the country's greatest living war hero – Victoria Cross recipient Lance Corporal Johnson Beharry.

"I actually wanted to kill the person. The police had to come," explained the 29-year-old, who is one of only 10 living VC holders. "It was not about the car, it was not about the accident. I have been told that because of what happened to me [in Iraq] all my body can remember is defence. Any time something happens I go into a defence mode."

Cpl Beharry's gentle face is now familiar across the country. He is the quiet, solemn figure who stood behind 110-year-old veteran Harry Patch on Armistice Day. Since becoming the first living recipient of a VC for 40 years for "repeated extreme gallantry and unquestioned valour", the young Grenadian has been portrayed, somewhat patronisingly, as a humble, almost docile Caribbean soldier.

Cpl Beharry is a confident, self-possessed, yet modest, man, driven to make something of his life and help others. But he is also a soldier tortured by mental and physical wounds, who has had to learn to live with constant pain, nightmares, mood swings and unexplained rages. He has decided to speak out for the first time on behalf of the thousands of servicemen and women suffering in the UK, who are forced to turn to charities for help because the Government is failing them.

The soldier cannot remember the last time he had a good night's sleep. Almost five years after he saved the lives of 30 comrades in Iraq by driving through a series of ambushes – his head sticking out of the burning Warrior armoured vehicle "despite a harrowing weight of incoming fire" – he can get no rest.

"If I fall asleep, I relive all the contacts [battles]. I start sweating. Even thinking about it now I am beginning to sweat," he explained. "Kosovo, Northern Ireland, Iraq, training – it all blends into one. One minute, I will be in Iraq on top of a building and the next thing I am in Grenada with my friends during the same contact. I have been told I kick in my sleep and worse. I used to get a couple of hours a night but recently, I can't sleep again. I lie there at night, tossing and turning. I put on the TV. I try to read to get tired but I can't. You think the next night you are so tired you will sleep but you don't."

The rocket-propelled grenade that tore open his skull put him in a coma for eight days but, Cpl Beharry explained in an unemotional tone, he survived because his head was so smashed up that it allowed room for his swelling brain. Today, his hair has largely grown over the scar which extends from one ear to the other. But the pain persists, jumping from his back to his shoulder and bouncing around in his head. He likened it to an agonising toothache but he refuses to take painkillers for fear of becoming dependent.

"No one expected me to walk or talk or even be alive. My mind is telling me everything is fine and my body is reminding me it is not. I have been told it is memory pain, the body catching up. My psychotherapist explained that the body could only deal with a certain amount of pain at a time so it comes out later. When I get those moments, I get angry."

Ironically, he chose to endure more pain when he decided to have the Victoria Cross tattooed across his entire back. It is a reminder that he his not just a man who will go down in history for his bravery but an ordinary young soldier with the customary penchant for the artist's needle.

On his uninjured shoulder is a tattoo of his late grandmother, to whom he would run as a child when his father was violently abusive, and who instilled in him values, aspirations, and a respect for religion. The body art represents the most important things in his life alongside his fiancée, Tamara Vincent.

The boy who walked to school barefoot speaks with informal ease of meeting royalty and heads of state. When he was presented to the then US President, George Bush, before the election, he boldly asked him who he thought would win. Bush replied "Obama". When Cpl Beharry met the Queen on his investiture at the Palace, she said to him that it was the injuries people could not see that would take the longest to heal. The combination of brain injuries and combat stress has made an angry young man of him at times, often completely irrational, he said. During his time in Amarah with the 1st Battalion, The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment, his battle group came under attack more than 800 times.

"People don't realise how hard it is for soldiers. You spend six months on the battlefield and you have to defend yourself every day and then you come back to normal life and go to Tesco's and someone runs into your trolley. You have to stop and think it is only a trolley, you are not on the battlefield. We are trained to be angry. We are trained to kill and then at five o'clock you have to go home, adjust, change completely to a different person. You can't react the same way." He continued: "The only people who can relate to it is other soldiers or ex-soldiers who have been through the same. I find it difficult to talk to normal civilians."

The wail of a siren, the bang of a door, any loud noise, reminds him of the RPGs that blasted into the Warrior armoured vehicle he was driving, of the day he repeatedly leapt on to the burning vehicle to drag injured colleagues to safety, or the moment six weeks later when he was injured again, this time almost fatally. "It brings me back into the killing zone, to the explosion. When you hear a bang in Iraq, you know it is going to be followed by something and back home you still feel the same. You go tense, waiting. I go into that defence mode. Everyone experiences combat stress differently. But we are all linked.

"The guys are dealing with it in their own way," he added. "A lot of soldiers who were there in Telic 4 [the Iraq campaign of summer 2004] have left the Army. Those who are still serving get some form of help for combat stress, but not enough."

War veterans are supposed to get priority treatment in the health system for conditions resulting from military service but many complain that the reality is very different. "It is disgraceful that an ex-serviceman or woman has to go to the NHS. The Government should have something in place," he said. "I don't think the Government is doing enough for soldiers, personally. That is why you have all these different organisations like Help for Heroes."

The burden of the VC has placed incredible pressure to be a "superman". "I am no different to anyone else. I did something out of the ordinary but I hope that someone else would have done the same thing in my position. There is a lot of stress. The hardest part of it is so much is expected of me. I now have to carry myself in a certain manner and it is hard work."

His brain injury has also left him with a terrible short-term memory. "If people can see the problem, maybe they can sympathise, but when they can't it is very difficult. People see me acting normally but inside I am dealing with the pain of the injury." But he added: "I worry something is going to happen to me, that one day my injury is going to creep up on me and I will be in bed all the time."

While he is grateful for all the care he has received, he worries for others. "Two years ago, I went to King's College Hospital because I was in so much pain. I sat in the waiting room for three hours before I could see a doctor. It was ridiculous. It is not because of who I am that I should be treated first. I think all soldiers should be treated equally.

"Ex-servicemen and women should get the treatment but they don't get it. We need to raise awareness in the NHS. These are people who have served this country. Why can't they get treatment?"

Sitting in a smart London hotel, he is all too aware that many of his regiment are in Iraq and Afghanistan and, like VC recipients before him, he will never return to the frontline. He is deeply frustrated by the enforced inactivity, unable to join his regiment and desperate for the Army to find him a role. "I don't regret anything that happened to me but I feel like I am 60 years old because I don't have a job. I am employed but I don't feel employed. I want to achieve something in life."

Four years after being awarded the VC, he lives in a small house on a quiet south London street, living off a Lance Corporal's salary, boosted by a reported £1m book deal. He is sanguine about the press coverage which followed his split from his wife, Lynthia, days after the investiture. "Everything about me is in the open. I have nothing to hide," he said. He spends his time promoting his book, Barefoot Soldier, which describes his early days growing up in an impoverished Caribbean family, his move to the UK at 19 and decision to join the Army – and pursuing his passion to inspire children from difficult backgrounds. "Because I was involved in drink and smoking weed, I can say I was there and look at how my life turned around, tell them they have a choice: a job or prison."

He also helps out with countless charities, including Combat Stress, which offers a lifeline to thousands of servicemen dealing with mental health problems. The charity has experienced a 53 per cent increase in the past three years in veterans presenting with post-traumatic stress or complications brought on by combat. A £4m grant from the Ministry of Defence covers less than half its costs, and it must rely on other donations. A portrait of Cpl Beharry is among items being auctioned at Combat Stress's 90th anniversary ball, organised by another decorated former soldier, Kevin Godlington, in London on 11 June.

But while Cpl Beharry is happy to put himself in the public eye to help such causes, he finds attention difficult and rarely takes public transport.

With a wistful grin he explained: "Eric Wilson [the country's oldest VC holder, who died last year aged 96] said to me 'Young man, your life will never be the same again.' At the time, I thought it was just a saying but, trust me, it is not."

The 90th Anniversary Ball for Combat Stress is being held on 11 June at the Berkeley Hotel in London. Tickets are available from Robert Marsh at Combat Stress by telephone: 01372 841615; email: robert.marsh@combatstress.org.uk; or through the website: www.combatstress.org.uk. Donations can also be made at the Matterhorn Challenge Team website www.matterhornchallenge2009.org.

Medal-winning heroism: 'Extreme gallantry and unquestioned valour'

An edited extract of the VC citation for L/Cpl Beharry, then a private

Private Beharry carried out two acts of great heroism which saved the lives of his comrades under intense enemy fire and at great personal risk to himself.

On 1 May 2004, Beharry's company was ordered to replenish an outpost in the city of al-Amarah. He was the driver of the platoon commander's Warrior armoured fighting vehicle.

As his platoon passed a roundabout, they saw the road in front was empty. The platoon commander ordered the vehicle to halt. It was hit by multiple rocket-propelled grenades (RPG).

The platoon commander and the vehicle's gunner were incapacitated and a number of the soldiers were also wounded. Beharry closed his hatch and moved toward a barricade. The vehicle was hit again by RPGs. He drove his Warrior through the barricade. By doing this, he led the remaining five Warriors behind him towards safety.

Another RPG destroyed his periscope, so he was forced to drive with his head exposed. The vehicle was again hit by RPGs and small arms fire. He was hit by a bullet, which lodged on his helmet's inner surface. He continued to push through the extended ambush until he broke clean.

On 11 June 2004, Beharry's Warrior was part of an attempt to cut off a mortar team in al-Amarah. He was moving towards the suspected firing point when his vehicle was ambushed. A RPG detonated six inches from his head. Other rockets hit the vehicle, incapacitating his commander and injuring several of the crew. Beharry reversed the Warrior out until it hit a wall. Beharry then lost consciousness. By moving the vehicle he enabled other Warrior crews to extract his crew.

Despite receiving a serious head injury, his level-headed actions almost certainly saved the lives of his crew. Beharry displayed repeated extreme gallantry and unquestioned valour in the face of relentless enemy action.

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Sorry m8... no excuses...
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 01:45 am (UTC)
A lot of us older ex-servicemen believe that one of the reasons soldiers are having issues today, is the piss-poor training they receive, moving the British soldier from the one in my time, the man with initiative, flair, that didn't shoot up civilian nor would he be asked to, to the Americanised version of cannon fodder that seems to be churned out by todays passing out parades.

Soldiers today are being asked to do things that are repugnant to a British person subconsciously, I did some dodgy stuff when in service and we were in higher pressure situations than Afghanistan I can assure you, just because the world was at peace then, did not mean some of us were not fighting HMG's private wars but it would have never crossed the CO's mind to send us in against civilian targets, weapons free and women and children as viable targets as the man with the AK47, it was likely we would of refused such an order because we were taught from the beginning that civilians was a no-no as targets.

We never had any reason or thought to, abuse or ill treat people we came into contact with, it is highly telling that our soldiers are developing the same ailments, disorders and psychological problems as the Americans began to in Vietnam, some of us think that this is resultant from human beings being asked to wage war in a despicable manner.

We were the best, not in the arrogant and repulsive way the Americans think they are but the best being highly charged, highly self motivated people, that knew their craft and did the job quietly and to the best of their ability, the famous "Tommy spirit", we knew why the old equation of "One British soldier is worth a company of any other army" because we were so tenacious, rugged, able to think without the need for over-reliance on technology, I too was trained to kill, probably in many more ways than the author but I was also trained to cope with that knowledge, having that knowledge taught me that I should have to work harder to avoid confrontation and physical altercation, having the ability to end someone with my bare hands taught me a sense of urgency if anything became threatening, that if I couldn't talk the other person down, then he was in danger...
did the job quiety
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 07:45 am (UTC)
indeed
Re: Sorry m8... no excuses...
[info]paul999 wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 08:33 am (UTC)
"but it would have never crossed the CO's mind to send us in against civilian targets, weapons free and women and children as viable targets as the man with the AK47". Ever heard of Bomber Harris?

"having the ability to end someone with my bare hands" You really should stop reading all those Chris Ryan books.

Every week another body or 2 (or next week 4) a brought through the town of Wootton Bassett and the ex servicemen, many medals prodly displayed, gather to pay their respects, they appear to think more highly of the servicemen of today than you do.

Re: Sorry m8... no excuses...
[info]nightblogger wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 10:31 am (UTC)
"...it would have never crossed the CO's mind to send us in against civilian targets, weapons free and women and children as viable targets as the man with the AK47, it was likely we would of refused such an order because we were taught from the beginning that civilians was a no-no as targets."

And that's a scandalous allegation that any serving soldier would reject. Not only are today's soldiers well versed in the 'laws of war' and know their rules of engagement but the moral calibre of (almost) all service personnel in the UK armed forces is second to none. They also clearly know that unarmed civilians are not legal targets and in the unlikely event of an order being given to fire upon them they would also refuse it.

I also know for a fact that air strikes are called off by JTACs (see: http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/TrainingAndAdventure/RafTornadoCrewsTrainForAfghanistanWithUsArmy.htm) because of the risk to civilians and that our brave boys on the ground regularly pay the price for their reticence to risk civilian lives.

'Weapons free' is not an authorised ROE even in very extreme circumstances in Afghanistan and would be unlikely to happen unless the contact was extremely desperate - which would indicate a level of enemy activity unlikely in an area occupied by lots of civilians.
to the writer/Cpl Beharry
[info]solutionsplease wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 03:53 am (UTC)
Sorry to write this way,but unlike the Washington Post and other papers there is no way to write to the reporter who wrote the artice, so to the webperson, please forward this.

Cpl. Beharry should know there is a PTSD treatment that works quite effectively called rapid eye movement desensitisation. He needs to ask any psychologist/psychiatrist for referral to someone trained in this (my wife is a therapist and while not trained has seen its results in many of her patients; I have also seen it in my clients who have used it--I am an attorney [barrister in the UK]). Best of luck to the Cpl. Beharry, and to the writer: as you may know, PTSD and also head trauma from the concussive effects of munitions, especially in the case of explosions that occur to combat vehicles (where the metal walls redirect the shock waves toward the occupants, rather like a speedboat going up a canal), have caused a similar disparity between numbers and available treatment for head injury sequelae in the US.

Trained to kill...
[info]jochebed2 wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 06:22 am (UTC)
Mr Beharry, if you have the money, please find yourself a trained psychoanalyst - Freudian or Jungian, it doesn't matter. As well as your flashbacks and sleeplessness, he or she can also address your pre-existing rage because you were already victimised and short-changed as a child, and then traumatised on top of that by your battlefield experiences.

Yes, you - and everyone else - should have such treatment readily available on the NHS, especially people like you with severe post-traumatic stress disorder. With people who are specialised on your kind of predicament.

I am a disabled woman and old enough to be your mother, and I tend to react to severe trauma with depression (suppressed rage, if you will), and I was, and am, against the wars that earned you your VC at the cost of your health and happiness. I wish you all the best. Try intensive psychoanalytical therapy, and if you have the strength, do lobby for others to have it too. It helps - and I'm speaking from experience.

The VC like educational qualifications
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 07:41 am (UTC)
has evidently been equally degraded for political purposes in the banana republic of Britain. It was evident at the time it was doled out, that it was an inappropriate award - and to pre-empt the question yes I do have pertinent experience
Re: The VC like educational qualifications
[info]paul999 wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 08:35 am (UTC)
If that was even vaguely true there would be a lot more VCs from the conflict that just the one living recepient.

But I do believe you - you do probably have educational qualifications that have been doled out.
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"We are trained..."
[info]jochebed2 wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 09:01 am (UTC)
PS., Mr Beharry, a possible little "quick-fix":

Does absorption in music help you? It helped me and still does, and it's something you can carry around with you for instant self-therapy whenever you want. We are about as different as possible both in what happened to us and what we want of life, but music as "instant self-therapy" might be for you too, just as it is for me? It's not an alternative to therapy by others, but a wonderful add-on.
"a wonderful add-on"
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 02:07 pm (UTC)
to public posturing as a 'trained killer ' (splutter)

Former bearers of the VC are twirling in their graves
Use the Force of Mind .... Heal the Pain you Find ... if you Can/are so Equipped.
[info]amanfrommars wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 09:23 am (UTC)
'We are trained to kill, so civilian life is tough' ..... Quite so, young sir. In fact, in a normal, peaceful society and/or civilian environment, has it no valid place and yet so many would choose it and many more forced into it, to stay alive.

And then there are the Fools and Tools in the Political Landscape of War Mongering Profiteers who would deliberately engineer the theatres for such displays of deadly skills with no place in any modern society, but which line their pockets with glittering gold and wealth too plentiful to spend. Criminals in high places and always on the Run from their Follies. That is where any Pain and Anger should be directed for they are guilty for your Rage? Although they will counter that the Past has no Bearing on the Future and their Future, as it is all a Mind Game which we play to Create the Future, and therefore you must plan for your own with the Past behind you.

However, they would knowingly, have conveniently forgotten that their actions would have resulted in your Plight and the Pain of War beyond its Time and Place, with the Automatic Obedience of Just Following War Games Orders in Live Situations. There is no Lower Order of Being than they who Order Wars and Maintain their Theatres of Traumatic Operations and resultant Post Traumatic Sress Disorders, and from Both of which they would try to Wash their hands clean with Weasel Words in Ignoble Rhetoric of Magnificent Cause for Negative Equity Gain.

J'accuse.

Veterans International Aid
[info]bmacl wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 09:42 am (UTC)
I have just started a charity up called Veterans International Aid to help ex service personnel adjust to civilian life after serving on operational duties.

We are planning to take ex service personnel on adventurous expeditions to help them adjust by using the skills they learned in the Forces to help the people we come in contact with.

L/Cpl Beharry's incident of fighting in the street is very common amongst ex service personnel. They feel isolated and unable to talk to civilians about their experiences and feel they don't fit into civilian life.

They miss the camaraderie of the daily Forces life, the banter and the friendships.

Even after leaving the Forces, we never really become civilians, just ex Forces. I was in the Army myself, and the Army take great pains in teaching you how not to be a civilian and to work as part of a team.

They don't then teach you how to become a civilian at the end of your service.

Many of the injured whether it be through battlefield injuries or normal rigours of the job injuries, have to leave the services early through no choice of their own.

That leaves a massive void in their lives that they find hard to fill. The Forces are very social and everything revolves around doing things together.

Once you take that structure away, they find it hard to fit in.

This is what VIA intends to help with.

We are planning our first expedition, which is an overland expedition around the coastline of Africa.

We plan to leave at the end of 2010 depending on the funding we receive and political situations. We will leave the UK and travel through France and Spain, then cross to Morocco.

From there we will follow the coastline, where possible down the west coast of Africa. Upon reaching Cameroon, we will team up with the charity Drive Against Malaria and help distribute mosquito nets in remote areas of the country.

We will also be looking for other tasks to do on the way or arrange before we go.

The idea of helping with aid work around the continent is to get our ex service personnel to help themselves by helping others.

It's the kind of jobs that the British military used to do all the time but because of limited manpower and too many commitments, our forces get less chance to do these days.

Our Forces accumulate so many skills during their service, most never use them again after leaving but it is such a waste as these skills can be used throughout the world to help others.

L/Cpl Beharry would be the ideal person to be involved in our expedition and I hope this can be passed on to him.

If anyone would like to contact me about VIA or the expedition you can email me on www.billymacleod@hotmail.com
Just asking for help...
[info]sportingmac wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 10:23 am (UTC)
.....All he is doing is asking for help. It is sad that when I listened to Barak Obama's addressing the US troops in Oregon yesterday (BBC News - Live) he talked of 'having done your bit for the nation - it was now time for the nation to it's bit. He went on to outlines plans to build up the Veterans support systems and add more troops to teh Army - to relieve the troops of multiple tour stress.

...all he is asking for is the same for our troops. So - Mr Gordon 'I am listening' Brown - do something wonderful today - sort it and sort it proper.
That's disgusting
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 11:45 am (UTC)
"trained to kill"- disgusting way of creating psychological malformation- I've read about how soldiers are trained to kill. They are intentionally given a blood-lust, a desire to be violent and to kill. Horrible.
Re: That's disgusting - not
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 01:00 pm (UTC)
That which these hysterical girlie boys *are* trained to do, is call in air strikes (too often against civilians) and this guy was trained to drive - no more and no less. They no more do face to killing these days than does an average typist.

For these creatures, unleashed, armed to the teeth, against a disarmed society to come whingheing and posturing about "trauma" is the ultimate circus act. If in fact they were presneted with a face to face 'kill'ing (or be killed, manually) situation they'ld wet themselves and run a mile

The thought of someone striking back is cause for hysteria and everlasting "trauma". I put the latter down to the high level of female hormones in Britain's drinking water.

This guy was equiipped with a powerful armoured vehicle and the armoury pitted was not "rockets" but hand help RPGs in the hands of ill-equipped homeland defenders, with which it is almost impossible to hit a moving target let alone kill a moving armoured one.

I say British society should demand the withdrawal of this VC as an abomination that brings its many predecessors into disrepute.

In my days if we were used to do this

http://geocities.com/cronyblatcher/ for commercial purposes,
we would have at least refused and maybe done a

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/dozens-more-bodies-found-at-bangladesh-mutiny-site-1634408.html

Furthermore no soldier is permitted in law to murder civilians merely because ordered to - that was decided at Nuremberg.
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Re: That's disgusting
[info]danzalez7 wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 04:35 pm (UTC)
Well if you want to go and try resolve the conflict and help to create a more stable region that doesn't breed terrorism that eventually lands on our doorstep, do you genuinely think that taking flowers and doves to the Taliban while you're in a happy mood is going to solve anything? No didn't think so, so wake up and smell reality. These soldiers have to do the job you and every other judgemental civilian doesn't want to do and keep your hands clean. Unfortunately, there are people who have to do these jobs to get things done.
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A mother's perspective
[info]mamabird47 wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 12:50 pm (UTC)
I have a 25yr old son who, as a Royal Marine Commando, has experienced more stress, trauma and yes - fear than most people would meet in multiple lifetimes. I empathise with Teri Pengilley and feel some of his pain. The reasons for his present condition are complex - being psychological, physical and spiritual. I see shades of my own son in him and could weep. He doesn't have to be my son for me to feel this way. He is the universal son and most of us are universal mothers. Throughout the centuries women like me have wept over sons like Teri. I supported my son in his life choices and always would, but I loathe war.
Dear Teri Pengilley if you are ever out walking and a strange lady gives you a 'mother's' hug. It'll be me. There is a lot of love for you out here. Tap into it. In the meantime EFT might relieve some of your stress. I wish you well and hope you find peace. You are a lovely, warm, brave and worthy human being.
Re: A mother's perspective
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 04:57 pm (UTC)
Thank you for that portrayal of the military of poor ol' once self respecting Britain
No-one is above the law and no-one should be above the NHS.
[info]proximaking wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 01:04 pm (UTC)
Surely these soldiers were there to protect our way of life.

We can argue til the cows come home about whether they should ever have been there and of course unlike soldiers of the first and second world wars they were there by choice. No pedants please telling me many first world war soldiers were there by choice, there were many forces at play on those guys to ensure they volunteered "freely".

Part of our way of life is the NHS where care is the same for all, regardless of how they became ill or were hurt, whether by a muslim bus bomb, a bike accident, a UVF/IRA bomb, a car crash or getting blown up in Iraq or wherever.

I think the armed forces should spend more time and effort teaching people why they are really in those forces and rather less on the "kill kill kill" line that so many seem to swallow. Then these people might not go on thinking they have a right to jump the NHS queue or indeed have a better NHS than you or I when the truth is in a society without armed forces many of those with a tendency to the "kill kill kill" mentality wouldn't even have a job.

The real point is no-one forces you to defend Britain and no-one promises you anything more than anyone else on your return, alive, should you choose to defend Britain. What about those who died? Didn't they deserve better than that too? We all deserve better but what we want and what we get are two very different things and thank God they are. The dead deserve better than this man whingeing, both his dead colleagues and those he himself killed. His victims lived in their own country most of them, a long long way away from the UK and even further away from the Caribbean.

This world needs valour but not the unquestioning type that uses a gun to enforce the theft of oil for a multi-national company in an illegal war and which only starts to think about what weapons can do when shock horror the locals in their own countries dare to hit back at us us and ours with anything more than sharpened fruit.

A friend of mine's dad, now dead, was in tanks in the second world war, on one occasion the top was blown clean off and he was sitting there taking machine gun fire, he managed to save some of his crew but most died. No VC for him and no whingeing about his injuries and how he deserved special treatment but he was a soldier and not a bit player in an illegal war where the real heroes of the past have been used as cover for the thieves and whingers of today.

" these soldiers were there to protect our way of life"
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 01:17 pm (UTC)
Boll.x! Show us the evidence
Trained to kill - the wrong enemy
[info]hanif001 wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 02:29 pm (UTC)

The invasion of Iraq was wrong, history has shown that.

The threat of the 45 min WMD was constructed so that the USA could build the largest American embassy in the world - what for?

The US and British soldier have been killing Iraqis (and getting killed) for what? So that the USA can have presence in the Middle East to locally support Israel and to ensure that there are a western friendly deals for the worlds second largest oil reserve.
The toppling of Saddam, was necessary but not by the West.

It will be interesting to see how long the USA will be able to control Iraq from its green zone mega embassy. The major difference between Iraq and Afganistan is that 99% of Iraqi are literate, whilst 99% of Afgans are illetrate. Its much easier to control illetrate people if you can buy the controlling war lords.
"what for"
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 04:47 pm (UTC)
Chyeap oil to fatten bank balances and keep fat bottoms riding around cheaply in planet-busting gas guzzler
Re: Trained to kill - the wrong enemy - [info]nightblogger - Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 07:23 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Trained to kill - the wrong enemy - [info]hanif001 - Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 07:50 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Trained to kill - the wrong enemy - [info]nightblogger - Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 08:25 pm (UTC) Expand
Poor Show
[info]governbridge wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 03:09 pm (UTC)
What a suprising amount of vitriol and terrible grammar. Who'd have thought that Independent readers were such an angry and poorly educated lot? And despite her maternal warmth for Beharry how was it that Mamabird47 read the entire article and still came away thinking that the photographer who took the picture of Beharry was the subject of the piece?

CroneyBlatcher you really are a piece of work - you're wearing a pair of spectacles that are so rose tinted as to be entirely masking your vision. Do you really believe that PTSD is a new invention? Try telling that to the innumerable WWII vets living on Richmond Hill who suffered terrible "shell shock". Have you never encountered such a term before?

Any right-thinking person would agree that the war in Iraq is an illegal one but are you proposing that we should make Beharry and other soldiers like him whipping boys for Blair's and Bush's ill-planned mistakes. Beharry and thousands others like him have been unkowingly thrust into an extraordinarily dangerous arena (I know you don't think he's done anything all that incredible but the top of his head was blown off and with his brains hanging out he was still able to marshal his thoughts in a manner to which you are clearly a stranger) and the least we can do after subjecting them to such terrors is to give them the right NHS treatment they need and when they need it.
boll.x
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 04:43 pm (UTC)
"was still able to" drive an armoured vehicle peppered by the shot of disarmed homeland defenders armed with obsolete weaponry.

No I am not proposing that the girlie boys of Blair's army of aggressive invasion be "whipping boys" ( though it is disgustingly apparent that at least some of them would enjoy that role).

I just fall down laffing at their disgusting histrionics about being 'trained killers' of helpless civilians, who if presented with an old fashioned situation of man to man combat would piss themselves before being killed by a manly man

What about their victims?
Re: boll.x - [info]nightblogger - Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 07:33 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: boll.x - [info]cronyblatcher - Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 10:50 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Poor Show - [info]tominlondon - Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 10:39 pm (UTC) Expand
Pass Me Some Time, It's Next To Salt
[info]zenator wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 06:21 pm (UTC)
It's ok Corporal, time is what is necessary, teach children good, have a nice woman... not at once, do enjoy the things which never do bad to others... Just plz, no medicines which they say must calm a man down. Send then home on an early train, a healthy one can stand without them!

And, sweat dropping from eyebrows - that's right what doesn't let a man aim good, is it not?
Hmmm!
[info]sp_ops wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 08:24 pm (UTC)
As a former special forces soldier we had the best training and the best equipment. I was so proud at that time to serve for queen and country. During my long career we never had time to sit and reflect as we were always training or out on ops.

When I left through injury I then began to see things differently. I became exposed to other factors and also had time to think about the years past. It was then like L/cpl Beharry I began to realize that all was not what I had been led to believe. My exposure to other sources of information and my de-constructing of events I became aware that it was not operations to protect the country, it was not operations that would safeguard us from terrorism. It was something more sinister, it was about rebuilding empires, aspirations of multinationals, domination of wealth and resources around our collapsing economies. It was about the rape of a nation's assets and the destruction of communities and cultures. Unfortunately, many who leave service never get the time to reflect or to ponder, just like they never question the plausibility of their actions.

Many would do well to consider that words are cheap and that governments are fickle what was once the enemy will tomorrow be your political partner. Anyone doubting this should look no further than across the Irish sea, where murderers, torturers, villains, paid henchmen still roam free or take part in political process. However, people will still believe that men who walk mountains, live in rocky terrains with no money and no access to weapons of "mass destruction" are the enemies of today and the enemies of tomorrow-that is until behind closed door talks and secret negotiations are brought to a close and they then become those in a brokered cease-fire.

Let us not yet forget to ask those in their graves; How is your shiny piece of metal that you received for your actions? If the dead could talk and life could be given back to them, I am sure they would trade their places; with the wine drinking, five course meal, holidays in the Caribbean and beyond twisted tongue politicians that sent them.

Finally, if you want to know about war ask a soldier if you want to know about the art of lies then ask a politician........
What ever happened to the MC?
[info]nightflight75 wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 11:02 pm (UTC)
This VC doesn't sound anything like the VCs of wars gone by. Just deconstructing it we have as far as I can see just usual garden variety combat. Its as if no one is expecting a war in which the opposing force actually fights back.

"...by doing this he led the remaining 5 warriors behind him to safety" - couldn't any of the other warriors have led them to safety?...

"...another RPG destroyed his periscope, so he was forced to drive with his head exposed" - as opposed to just sitting there and doing nothing until he was surrounded and taken out...

"....by moving the vehicle he enabled other Warrior crews to extract his crew" - ditto above.

An MC, fine, but to deserve the VC he would surely have had to dismount from the relative safety of the armoured vehicle and engage and clear the enemy single handedly with his assault rifle. I don't doubt he is a good soldier but this kind of engagement must surely have happened on a daily basis in WW2. And the absurd tattoo he has had done on his back is another insult to those who truly earned it.
Re: What ever happened to the MC?
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 11:27 pm (UTC)
Agreed. It wasn't even combat between equals. It was flesh and blood with shoulder fired RPGs against high tech armour. The VC has been degraded by rat-brains in Whitehall, for political purpose.
Re: What ever happened to the MC? - [info]nightflight75 - Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 11:39 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: What ever happened to the MC? - [info]cronyblatcher - Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 11:52 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: What ever happened to the MC? - [info]harvestmouse22 - Sunday, 1 March 2009 at 12:46 pm (UTC) Expand
Respect
[info]alfxix wrote:
Tuesday, 5 May 2009 at 09:15 pm (UTC)
Who are some of the people commenting here? The 'ex-soldier who says it was worse in his day and the ill-educated idiot who hurls vitriole. Neither of you have clearly faced combat. It is the same today as it has ever been and soldiers are the same today as they have ever been - good, honest men, seeking to do the right thing in difficult circumstances. Those of us who serve today know this. Back off.
[info]rachel_rackoon wrote:
Saturday, 21 November 2009 at 07:02 pm (UTC)
Violence is not the answer. And for your information, it is the general public writing here, and so what if they haven't experienced combat?! You can learn something from the innocent. Who are we to judge a killing if we've never been in that situation? The same principles apply my friend. Violence is not the answer. Read the poem dulce et decorum est, it shall do you good.
Rachel
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