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We predict a riot: Meet the anarchists plotting to overthrow capitalism

As the world's grandees jet into London for the G20 summit, they'll be confronted by a mob of incensed anti-capitalists intent on revolution. But since anarchists live by chaos, will they be organised enough to change the world?

By Lena Corner

Bone of contention: the Whitechapel Anarchist Group's Ian Bone (third from right) and his fellow WAGs

Immo Klink

Bone of contention: the Whitechapel Anarchist Group's Ian Bone (third from right) and his fellow WAGs

Thursday lunch time at the City of London headquarters of Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), and at the stroke of one o'clock, 200 people arrive on the pavement outside. Some are wearing red nooses around their necks, others are parading around in top hats and City-boy pinstripes, a few are carrying placards that read, "Storm the banks". A pedal-powered sound system is cranked up and The Fall's anthem to grinding poverty, "F'oldin' Money", blares out across the street.

This is a flash-mob demonstration, mobilised through a Facebook event called "Give us our money back". It's a protest against the Government pouring billions of pounds into the banking industry and the £16.9m pension pot awarded to the former RBS chief executive Sir Fred Goodwin. A man picks up a megaphone. "Congratulations, people," he says. "After the biggest bailout from the poor to the rich that this country has ever seen, this bank now belongs to us. The time has come to claim what is rightfully ours." The protesters applaud wildly. "Whose money?" they chant over and over, "Our money."

Armoured police vehicles are scattered up and down Bishopsgate and the grand glass-fronted entrance to the RBS building is guarded by a phalanx of the Met's finest. From within, a few bemused RBS workers look nervously out at the street. It's probably not the best day to be slipping out for a boozy banker's lunch.

Standing cackling on the sidelines is Ian Bone, a self- confessed "lifelong enemy of the state" and member of the Whitechapel Anarchist Group (WAG). "This is just a taste of things to come," he says. "That was the spring offensive. Next up is the summer of rage." Bone is referring to a wave of mass demonstrations planned for the capital which kicked off yesterday with the Put People First march, organised by a coalition of trade unions and environmentalists. On Wednesday, 1 April – or "Financial Fools Day" – thousands more are due to take to the streets of the City for the biggest show of public anger since the credit crunch began. And Thursday, dubbed G20 Meltdown, is when protesters will descend on the Excel Centre in London's Docklands – the day that world leaders arrive in the capital for the G20 summit.

According to media reports, police are gearing up to deal with unprecedented numbers of protesters and terrifying levels of violence. Fears are also growing for the safety of City financial workers. The G20 Meltdown campaign posters show a besuited mannequin being hanged. City staff are being advised to dress down and cancel all non-essential meetings.

"People are in an incendiary mood," says Bone. "1 April will see the biggest ructions on the street since the poll-tax riots and possibly even the Gordon riots of 1780. I don't think politicians realise quite how angry we are. In the past six months, this country has been turned upside-down. A deep recession has been created by a few greedy bankers and as a result, thousands have lost their homes and jobs. A dam of resentment has built up and 1 April is when all these pissed-off people march on the City to take what's theirs. Capitalism itself is on the ropes."

Bone believes the anarchists' moment has finally come. With the banking system on its knees and capitalism ' floundering, a window of opportunity for real change has arisen. "We need to seize the moment," he says. "There was a moment in May 1968 and another in the 1980s under Thatcher when the miners were on strike, but we failed to grasp either. This one is different. No one's ever seen what we are seeing now with the economy and it's the economy that drives people to the streets."

Bone's own particular brand of anarchism is extreme. "I'm full of class hatred," he tells me cheerfully over a pint in the local Wetherspoons pub after the demonstration. "I just want to overthrow the ruling classes." He was radicalised from an early age: his father was a butler for one Sir Gerald Coke, and the young Bone spent his formative years witnessing him bowing and scraping to his superior. By the age of 15, he was a regular on the Aldermaston CND marches and in 1983 he set up the anarchist journal Class War, "Britain's most unruly tabloid", which still runs to this day.

Although there are no membership figures – anarchists don't deal in such administrative formalities – Bone claims the numbers of people joining the movement has risen significantly in the past six months. But what makes him more convinced that the anarchists' moment has come is that the types of people joining are entirely different.

"Traditionally, anarchism appealed to young, inner- city types," he says. "Now we've got people coming into the anarchist movement we've never seen before. There's older people, whose pensions or savings have been wiped out, as well as people from the suburbs – the aspirational working-class who voted Tory, bought their own council flats and moved up in the world. These are people who were sold all that stuff about the free-market dream and now are being repossessed or made redundant. Capitalism has failed them and they are angry as hell. In the past we've needed to create rage. We don't need to do that now because the rage is already there."

Despite his own hardline stance, Bone is astute enough to realise that not all of these "anarchists" want actual revolution. Some simply want to voice their anger at the greed and recklessness of the City, others want peaceful protest, and some just want a ruck with the police. But if there is one uniting consensus among them, it's the belief that there is something fundamentally wrong with a capitalist system that has allowed the rich of the world to carry on getting endlessly richer.

Chris Knight, a professor of anthropology at the University of East London, and one of the co-ordinators of G20 Meltdown, describes himself as moderate. "I'm the kind of anarchist that adheres to some form of organisation," he says. "I'm not into throwing bricks through windows; what I'm talking about is something closer to revolutionary, or anarcho, communism."

Since the economic crisis began, Knight has regularly taken to the streets brandishing a placard reading, "Eat the bankers". "We haven't got any secrets," he tells me. "On 1 April, we fully intend to overthrow the Government. ' Gordon Brown is on his last legs, this is his last throw of the dice. The revolution starts here."

Knight adds that 1 April is a date that is highly pertinent to the anarchist calendar: it's exactly 360 years to the day that the Diggers, the English civil-war revolutionaries and arguably the UK's first anarchistic group, set up an independent commune and issued a call for equality.

"If we succeed," Knight continues, "and New Labour falls, we say let's immediately nationalise all banks and redistribute the wealth. In other words, we take the power and we don't let the bankers dictate to us any more. We stop the money pouring into bankers' pockets, where it disappears, and start giving it to the people who will spend it – students, single mums, the unemployed. We need to spend money to stop this country going bankrupt: well, that is a solution.

"It's seismic," Knight concludes. "There has already been a whole balance-of-power shift and the world has been turned upside-down, but it's all happened peacefully. There is going to be a velvet revolution. Not a violent one."

Commander Bob Broadhurst of the Metropolitan Police doesn't seem to think so. He has £7.2m earmarked for the police operation from Wednesday until the conclusion of G20 and believes there to be "unprecedented" planning between protest groups, which are now using technology such as Twitter to organise themselves. What further worries him is that certain groups – Reclaim the Streets and the anarchist group the Wombles, for example – that have lain dormant for much of the boom years of the noughties, are showing signs of remobilisation. Groups such as these are the ones that gave the authorities such an enormous headache throughout the 1990s – from the poll-tax riots in 1990 to the protests over the Criminal Justice Bill in the mid-1990s and finally the violent Reclaim the Streets protests at the end of the decade.

Alexander Callinicos, professor of European Studies at King's College, London, who is speaking at this week's demonstration, backs up Broadhurst's belief that new allegiances between protest groups are being forged. He went to an anti-capitalist demonstration on Halloween last year at Canary Wharf following the collapse of Lehman Brothers. "It was an unusual event," he says, "because for the first time there was an unlikely alliance between anarchists, Marxists and other groups that don't usually get on terribly well. Whatever our disagreements, we are all united in the belief that the blind hunt for profit leads to catastrophe. That is what has brought us all together."

Like his fellow protesters, Callinicos is feeling buoyant about the situation. "I have high hopes for this week," he says. "The economic crisis has exposed the bankruptcy of capitalism and the dire need for an alternative. Anyone who feels there is something fundamentally wrong with capitalism is entitled to feel this is their moment."

But is this all just talk? Is the country really ready for revolution? Tim Harford, Financial Times journalist and author of The Logic of Life (just published in paperback) doesn't think so. "The last time we had a really bad economic depression, we got National Socialism and I'm sure this isn't the alternative these guys have in mind. We have to ask the question, is it really all that bad? Unemployment is clearly terrible but it's nothing like America in the Great Depression of the 1930s. In 1981, it was also bad, it was a rotten time. But was that the end of capitalism as we know it? People have a tendency to engage in wishful thinking. Journalists want it to be really appalling because it makes an exciting story; anarchists want it be the end of capitalism because that's what they've spent their lives hoping for; and economists think that it's nothing really that remarkable."

Nor does Harford think it's time for capitalism to be brought to its knees. "Clearly the free market has its faults, but no one could argue we haven't all done very well out of it in the West," he says. "It's lifted an awful lot of people out of poverty. Generally, the places in the world that have not been successful in letting the market take off tend to be the places that are poorer. Capitalism has had a fairly good track record. I hope it's not on its last legs because I doubt it could be replaced by anything more effective."

Meanwhile, back at the flash-mob gathering, Madonna's "Material Girl" has started up and the obligatory crazy dancing has broken out. Tamsin Omond, one of the five who were arrested after climbing on to the roof of the House of Commons in a protest against the expansion of Heathrow, and the current poster girl for climate change, is right in the thick of it. "What shall we chant?" she asks her friend breathlessly. "Something about banks, maybe?"

"Stupid twat," says Ian Bone. "Listen to her accent. She's just one of those climate-change lot who do a bit of environmental action to get it on their CV before going back to live in their big house with mum and dad. You watch: she'll be an overpaid environmental consultant before you know it."

If this is the unity Commander Broadhurst is so worried about, perhaps he can relax a little. It's hard to tell if anything really has changed; today, it looks like the same old faces doing the same old thing. Should we really be in fear of revolution? We'll have to wait until Wednesday to find out.

Here comes trouble: A brief history of anarchy

1649

The Diggers, a group of agrian communists, are formed. They believe man can be free only in a society without government interference, wherein all products are shared

1780

Anti-Catholic riots are led by Lord George Gordon; 60,000 people proclaiming "No Popery" march on Parliament. Homes are burned, churches attacked and prisoners freed. Nearly 300 are left dead

1840

In "What is Property?", the French political writer Pierre-Joseph Proudhon coins the slogan "Property is theft". He is the first person to define himself as an anarchist

1868

Mikhail Bakunin founds the Social Democratic Alliance with the doctrine of Collectivism and the belief that anarchy is possible only through violent revolution

1876

Prince Peter Kropotkin of Russia renounces his royal title and develops the theory of anarchist communism. He also helps found the London-based Freedom Magazine, still published today

1911

The Siege of Sidney Street between the police and two Latvian burglars. The stand-off ends in death for the Latvians, who have become anarchist heroes for resisting the authorities

1936

During the Spanish Civil War, anarchist militias gain control of much of eastern Spain. Autonomous libertarian villages are set up, money is abolished and the land is tilled collectively

1972

The Angry Brigade, also known as the Stoke Newington Eight, a British libertarian militant group, is responsible for bomb attacks between 1970 and 1972. Strongly influenced by anarchists, their targets include banks, embassies and the homes of Tory MPs.

1976

"Anarchy in the UK", the first single by the Sex Pistols, is released on 26 November. The three-and- a-half minute song reaches number 38 in the UK charts. Its lyrics espouse a nihilistic concept of anarchy

1983

Class War, a cobbled-together tabloid newspaper that has become the voice of the movement, is founded by Ian Bone. The cover, right, refers to the birth of Prince William

1994

The anarchist Zapatista army declares war on the Mexican state and seizes part of their Chiapas homeland, and in the process kickstarts a resurgence in the global anarchy movement

1999

J18, an international day of anti-capitalist protest on 18 June, coincides with the G8 summit. A battle breaks out as 5,000 people converge on the London International Financial Futures Exchange

2008

A young schoolboy is shot dead by police in Athens, resulting in four weeks of rioting across Greece. Anarchists seize control of government buildings. Similar riots kick off in other parts of Europe

Anarchy in the EU: How one boy's death sparked riots across Europe

The demonstrations that took place in cities across Europe last December, as protesters took to the streets in solidarity with Greek rioters, were a stark indication that anarchism is alive and kicking throughout the EU. In Athens, it was the shooting of 15-year-old Alexis Grigoropoulos by police that triggered weeks of violent clashes between the authorities and youths frustrated by government corruption, crony capitalism and high unemployment. Almost immediately, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Sweden and Denmark saw unrest and, in some cases, similar outbreaks of serious violence, sparking fears that mass insurrection was the shape of things to come.

While many of the protestors were quick to identify themselves with a unified anarchist scene, political commentators agree that in reality, the European picture is ideologically and strategically fragmented, composed of more or less self-contained groups. In each country, individual factions are engaged in their own specific battles with the political establishment, from economic to environmental issues, linked only by a broad anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist stance. Although overlaps with the ultra-Left exist, leading to widespread confusion between the two, what ultimately separates anarchist groups is their belief in practical, militant action.

Not surprisingly, the European countries in which the anarchist movement tends to be strongest are those in which a capitalist status quo exists, as is the case in Germany, Switzerland and Scandinavia. In Greece, Italy and Spain, the situation is aggravated by a deeply felt divide between the Right and Left, and – in the case of the latter two – relatively fresh memories of right-wing dictatorships.

Nevertheless, recent events suggest that anarchist activity is on the rise in nations where it has not previously been a major concern. In France, for example, where a strong far-Left has traditionally stifled any anarchist movement, the Interior Minister Michèle Alliot-Marie has spoken of a serious threat from "ultra-Leftist" and "anarchist" terrorists. In November, nine members of a group of young men and women living in a commune in southern France were arrested in connection with sabotaging the power supply to high-speed train lines and "associating with wrong-doers with terrorist aims". All but one of the "Tarnac Nine" has now been released, amid accusations of absurd heavy-handiness on the part of the authorities.

Rhiannon Harries

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Already Anarchy
[info]charles_geach wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 01:39 am (UTC)
What we have is basically global anarchy for a few rich business people and high level politicians. What result? Power in the hands of a few bullies. General anarchy would only work if everyone was fully into it. Not possible in modern urban society. Actual result would be the rule of the small scale local tyrant. Not very appealling to most people!

We should be converging on parliament to massively demand real democracy, which has now become possible thanks to the Internet, and demanding an end to this useless "three" party system we currently have. The other thing to change is the media. If you want to see how sick this country really is , check out the websites of The Sun, The Star, etc. Now that is what I call a force for keeping people ignorant!

Anyone every heard of a US tv news program called Democracy Now! That's what news should be - in depth reporting about the issues that effect us all. Shame on the UK media, there's nothing like that coming out of our blighted isle!
Re: Already Anarchy
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 03:28 am (UTC)
Agree with you there.

I too think that we should be looking at means to rid this country of the corrupt politicians and force in real democracy, maybe even follow the Canton system where power is controlled locally and also fully accountable with very harsh punishments for corrupt practices overseen by the people.

Well if the media and the police are to be believed nuLabour not only made Britain broke, they also broke Britain, no political party for a long time has done so much to bring the UK to the point of mass civil disobedience and potentially fracturing and causing the breakup of British society.

Brown should be taking stock right now, what is more important? His mates in the Freemasons and Jewish banking circles or his hide and this country? History will not remember Brown well that much is assured.
Re: Already Anarchy - [info]charles_geach - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 08:57 am (UTC) Expand
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Re: Already Anarchy - [info]cronyblatcher - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 05:32 pm (UTC) Expand
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Re: Already Anarchy - [info]ancientoneuk - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 11:38 am (UTC) Expand
A silly idea
[info]tobyandtoby wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 02:06 am (UTC)
Anarchism is daft- who will refine the oil into petrol to supply a bus driver, and who will be the bus driver?
Changing this awful version of capitalism into one that recognises that without the customer the company wouldn't exist. At moment they seem to think they exist for the benefit of the shareholder. They don't.
Re: A silly idea
[info]d_subversiv wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 07:52 am (UTC)
Can you really not picture a place where people do things without payment?

Money, especially Profit is NOT a requirement.

It probably sounds 'twee' but actually the energy LOVE can do lots..
Re: A silly idea - [info]ancientoneuk - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 12:16 pm (UTC) Expand
Stupid crack-smoking hippies
[info]r_small wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 02:22 am (UTC)
Stupid crack-smoking hippies... the anticipated crowds on the 1st and 2nd will be every fringe group under the sun from wooly-jumpered anarchists to climate-change protestors to militant Atheists to Stop The War-type socialists. They probably don't represent any genuine grievances and are just looking to play victim and get on the front page of the Daily Mirror or Socialist Worker being manhandled by a copper.

And also, about the environmental consultant remark.... the woman in question, let's call her Arabella or Cecily, might well be a middle class, gap-year-in-Mali-type educated liberal but over zealous climate change protestor, but why does Ian Bone think that is somehow better than being an environmental consultant? Who has done more for the environment; a Heathrow sit-in guitar-strumming climate change protestor (replete with unwashed braided hair, a frisbee and an ample amount of weed), or an environmental consultant who devises a carbon reduction programme for the airport, say?

While the anarchists and all these other fringe groups are having their fun in the limelight on the 1st and 2nd, us normal people whom the recession will have hit moreso will carry on at work, or in search of work, sacrificing to make ends meet.
Re: Stupid people who actually believe in crack-smoking hippies
[info]quiet_onetwo wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 02:55 am (UTC)
The generalisation in this comment are outstanding! If anyone has bothered to attend any campaign march/rally, it would be obvious that these stereotypes don't exist anymore. People are taking to radical action because protesting doesn't seem to do anything- like Iraq, where 1 million people took to the streets and the government sat in their seats laughing at them.

And anarchism is an umbrella term in the first place- it doesn't mean no form of political organisation (look at the differences between anarcho-primitivism and crypto-anarchism!).

Anyway, without any radical action in the past colonialism would have never been removed, women would have never been given equal rights and racism would still be prevalent. Freedom rides were just about as radical as someone lying on the ground in Stansted or campaigning about Shell's human rights injustices in Nigeria.

Seeing as no initiatives or regulations have really been taken to tackle possibly the worst threat to our current status of living (Climate Change), Ian Bone has some credibility in his statement - as much as I disagree with his politics.

The whole media scaremongering is actually shockingly disgusting. People are crying for help and they're just told off for not conforming with a government that doesn't listen to them and brings in a randomer (Mandelson) without election for a key government position. Where's the democracy in that?

Protesters are normal people looking for a job and a meaning to life just as much as anyone else.
Re: Stupid crack-smoking hippies - [info]d_subversiv - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 07:48 am (UTC) Expand
Chaos
[info]hjaffe wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 02:43 am (UTC)
Lena Corner has it backwards: Anarchy is not chaos; rather it is the global bigs, otherwise known as G-20, that generate chaos and call it "order."
Re: Chaos
[info]d_subversiv wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 07:58 am (UTC)
Actually she has got it half right.

At the top level Anarchy is simply no government and no authority.

Then its split into two -
1) Those that say we do not need laws etc as we are responsible for ourselves and do not need another to lord it over us.
2) Those that want to destroy all forms of authority.

Both actually are pure forms as neither can be sustained for any length of time.

Study Napoleon and how he became dictator after the chaos of the Paris revolution.
Statement from the Real Anarchists.
[info]terryphi wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 06:25 am (UTC)
Instead of pandering to the media in London real anarchists know what needs to be done. We must prepare for the collapse of capitalism by creating structures to maintain the essentials of life in our communities. Increasingly governents will become powerless and irrelevant and we will all be forced by circumstances to take control of our lives, workplaces and communities. We can build the new society in the decaying shell of the old order.
Re: Statement from the Real Anarchists.
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 10:42 am (UTC)
I agree with this. Responsible politics now is working to construct the new way of doing things (i.e. everything) that will become necessary when everyone realises that this is not "a downturn" and that things are not going to "pick up" again.

This is a change, and some of us are adjusting to it.
Re: Statement from the Real Anarchists. - [info]cronyblatcher - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 05:59 pm (UTC) Expand
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Not Exactly A Majority
[info]mike4626 wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 07:31 am (UTC)
35000 people out of a population of 64,000,000 - 0.054% - doesn't exactly seem to be a large minority wanting a revolution.
Re: Not Exactly A Majority
[info]d_subversiv wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 08:04 am (UTC)
Yeah you are quite right.

The English are spineless, aren't they?

If you dont revolt now, you are ripe for a fascist takeover. If you find that hard to believe. Fascism in England?

Then you are asleep and deserve to be ripped off for ever.

PS I am actually a lover of England - but that England is becoming more strange by the day.
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"democratic process"? - [info]cronyblatcher - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 06:24 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Not Exactly A Majority - [info]belfastboy - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 08:55 pm (UTC) Expand
morality first
[info]jaffgyp wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 07:46 am (UTC)
not much point in faffing around with no agenda - it'll just end in tears with anarchists instead of bankers and politicians bleating that they saw nothing wrong with what they were doing, that nothing like this must ever happen again , blah blah blah...;
and no point in looking to the church -any church - for moral guidance ; none of them, especially the rotten to the core capitalist, sexist, royalist C of E ( ask all those vicarage wives about repressed homosexuality and fear of assertive females) seem to have any useful moral philosphy to offer;
how about launching a new improved universal morality which concentrates on private and public behaviours and intentions towards society as a whole (OK, i can hear all that sniggering ..... )
Anarchy in history
[info]datbeit wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 08:28 am (UTC)
It is interesting to see the mention of the anarchist movement during the Spanish Civil War. They were fragmented and unorganised-probably a function of being anarchist. They could not sustain themselves. What is important here is that the anarchists are not offering a better option to capitalism just like socialism has proven time and again it is not a better option. I do not want to be a part of a system that does not reward hard work and drive. Is capitalism perfect? Of course not, but anarchy, socialism and communism are not any better. Look at Venezeula, Cuba, China and the former USSR. Do any of you want to live in any of those places if you are not in a position of power and privledge? Of course not because you would essentially be a slave of the State.
Re: Anarchy in history
[info]davertheraver wrote:
Saturday, 4 April 2009 at 06:48 pm (UTC)
"They could not sustain themselves"

They couldn't sustain themselves because the so-called communists blocked the flow of arms and supplies to the anarchist lines out of spite, ordered by Stalin. This led those fighting to lose a sense of what they were fighting for and hence the war was lost.

The anarchist revolution in Spain was incredibly successful before it was crushed by armed force by the above-mentioned 'communists' and later the fascists under Franco.
Get your facts straight
[info]pete500 wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 08:53 am (UTC)
You lot (especially Rhiannon Harries - she gets paid for this drivel) need to read a couple of books before you write about political philosophy : anarchy doesn't mean the absence of government, order or anything like that. In fact there's nothing contradictory between anarchism and capitalism. Have a look at 'Demanding the Impossible' by Peter Marshall.
[info]glewis1000 wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 10:37 am (UTC)
The statement "since anarchists live by chaos" is nonsense. The link between chaos and anarchy is simply media sensation. An anarchist society is not chaos, but a society with an absense of government or hierarchy.
chaos
[info]ericblaire wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 10:37 am (UTC)
Anarchists don't "live by chaos": what a ridiculous summation in a glib headline. Anarchists live by society self-organizing, rather than in a hierarchy of an imposed a sado-masochistic pyramid structure. Self-organizing is what people do when left un-manipulated by warmongers and profit takers. If you think our neo-feudal system is advanced, try living with the Masai or some other surviving self-organizing peoples. It's a lot more fun! less punitive and more mutually supportive.

Oh, but I forgot, we're busy destroying the last remaining tribal societies either by 'developing' them (everywhere), or by bombing them (AfPak etc.).

What a dreadful lack of imagination!
Anarchy - Bring it On!!
[info]neil639 wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 11:12 am (UTC)
Unless you are one of the very few who lives in what our politicians call a "marginal" Parliamentary Constituency, one's vote has absolutely no effect at all on our very undemocratic and archaic electoral system. Perhaps it is time people took matters into their own hands. Particularly when we see the corruption practiced by Lord this and Lord that - unelected nobodys who actually have a say in Government and lawmaking. Not to mention a Head of State for life, which in reality is just a very privileged and disfunctional family, who seem to be able to do just whatever they like, and when engulfed in scandal just re-invent themselves. We the public have no say at all in that ridiculous institution. Get rid of the lot of them I say.
Re: Anarchy - Bring it On!!
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 11:39 am (UTC)
and who's going to get rid of them - if not us?
Discontent with Labour/Tories, Tories/Labour - Democrats/Republicans, Republicans/Democrats ....
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 11:25 am (UTC)
Cancer/Cholera, Cholera/Cancer. Capitalism/democracy my ass/ democracy/my ass/ unreported realities. So called Western democracies are running out of ideas. Too busy criticising and killing Muslims!
Why don't you choke in your own manipulated democracy that is not really working because it's fake Westeren democracy as well as hypocrite, unacountable invaders who lie and kill civilian populations!
I think this is the beginning of the downfall of the West. The West has lost it!
Bring it on
[info]chiennoir wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 11:40 am (UTC)
I agree with those who say that anarchy does not equal chaos. You have anarchists, but you don't have chaosists. Anarchy is simply absense of government - a condition we have lived under for 90% of our time on this planet - and genetically the most crucial 90%. There are many different kinds of anarchist from anarcho-syndicalists to anarcho-capitalists and from green anarchists to national anarchists - a sort of anarchist development from national socialists. Anarchists in Spain did wonders in very difficult conditions. Barcelona worked more efficiently under anarchist ideas of workers' self-management than it had ever done under the bosses. We tend to forget that it is natural for human beings to co-operate; it even floods the brain with dopamine and brings on a high. All competition does is increase stress, and make people more angry. But we have so many stereotypes about anarchism that we tend to forget that it is the only 'political' philosophy which is rooted in our evolution.
From an American friend - anarchy is not the answer
[info]midgebaker wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 01:08 pm (UTC)
Breaking The Banks - That's the answer:

Open Letter to Both US Houses of Congress

The current banking crisis is a result not just of Wall Street greed, but of the Republican-dominated Legislature of the 90's giving more and more freedoms to Big Corporations by deregulation. Going forward, campaign contributions donated to candidates from both parties helped to ensure Legislative compliance in giving the Big Corporations their stranglehold over We the People.

I have solutions.

First, on the AIG affair:

It is not just the money in the bonuses, it's that they were paid at all to those who brought down our taxpayer-owned company. Stop listening to these executives' fear-mongering and terror tactics. Stop letting them hold the taxpayers hostage. You take taxpayer money, you are now taxpayer
employees. Do as you're told, or do without your jobs.

Regardless of whatever loopholes were left in the law, regardless of who knew what and when, you greedy executives CHOSE to take the risks -- fraught with moral hazard -- which have so damaged the US and World economy. Then you paid advertisers and set up agencies to encourage the public to overspend. Then you packaged them up and sold them to other banks and other countries.

And when the housing bubble burst, the people you defrauded lost their jobs and homes and dreams.

1) Taxing to get back the bonuses won't work and is probably unconstitutional.
2) The unwarranted bonuses just paid were the morally-hazardous fruit of fraud, so charge them with it and sue as the company owners.
3) Going forward, it's simple: Unwarranted bonuses = No more bailouts. Period.
4) Repeal the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1998 and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000.
5) Use the Anti-Trust laws to break up AIG (and other financial giants) so it is no longer possible to be "too big to fail."
6) After the breakup(s), let us deal with the remaining US institutions, and let the other countries deal with their own.

We US taxpayers don't have the resources or the will to bailout the whole world. And we shouldn't be expected to.

On Congressional Reform, "The Voters' Revolution":

1) We demand that the House and Senate set term limits for themselves.
No elected legislator may serve more than four terms in office. This
acknowledges that it does take some acquired experience on your part.

2) We demand reform of the system of campaign contributions. Each
Legislator may add to their individual "war chests" only the contributions
of individuals. All corporate contributions must go into a general fund to
be distributed equally to ALL candidates for election. This includes not
just the Reps and Dems but the smaller parties as well. This would
effectively level the playing field and give us voters more options. "Money
talks" in campaigns. We voters must therefore control the money.

3) We demand the right to recall our elected officials by referendum. Our
letters of our officials can be -- and often are -- ignored. I suspect that
getting dragged back to your home states to explain to your constituents
WILL get your attention. If you fail to explain adequately, we will THEN
replace you.

(A version of this letter has been sent to several high-ranking officials in both US Houses. If you agree with me, tell your Congressional representatives so, in no uncertain terms.)





Re: From an American friend - anarchy is not the answer
[info]d_subversiv wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 03:01 pm (UTC)
>> From an American friend - anarchy is not the answer <<

An American.

OK - its now 2009, do I trust what you say as an American when you talk about politics or business?

NO. Got that message? Its NO.

As for 'anarchy is not the answer' - rubbish. It is! No profit though..

Maybe, just maybe dear Karl Marx was right. Oh dear..
Damn Yankees.
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 01:15 pm (UTC)
It is completely coincidental that my laptop has been remotely hacked.After I wrote about G20.
Re: Damn Yankees.
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 02:30 pm (UTC)
We'll all be rounded up, eventually - even if Jacqui Smith and her abandoned husband (reduced to watching late-night porn but paid a handsome salary by her) is replaced by someone else equally authoritarian and repressive.

So don't worry about your computer being hacked. Simply by registering here as a user, you're offering yourself to Jacqui and her enforcers.
Re: Damn Yankees. - [info]cronyblatcher - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 05:48 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Damn Yankees. - [info]ron_broxted - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 07:22 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Damn Yankees. - [info]cronyblatcher - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 09:14 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Damn Yankees. - [info]ron_broxted - Monday, 30 March 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC) Expand
It won't be anarchy
[info]tremblethedevil wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 02:02 pm (UTC)
Violence, like any other force, finds an inherent sense of organization and always migrates towards an ideology - words and deeds work together. Find out more at the award-winning site:

www.TrembleTheDevil.com
W.A.G. Leader
[info]ladyabouttown wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 03:12 pm (UTC)
Q- What does Mr. Bone do for a living? Or is he on the dole?

I'm a simple concierge in NYC workin for a living. Should I worry that my daughter (who knows that I service many folks from all over the world) will become an anarchist? I don't think so.

Unfortunately, what happens in many places in the world is a case of the those who don't have and those who have. I'm not a millionaire, but a hard working woman. By the way, I get my work ethic from my father ...... and I thank him. I didn't turn around and become an anarchist! Talk about biting the hand that fed you !
Putting the record straight with this thing we call Anarchists
[info]alessiolong wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 03:42 pm (UTC)
Its amazing how so many people commenting on here are all of a sudden are experts on anarchy. Having been involved in the anarchist movement in London for the best part of 12 years, from a 19 year old working in a sorting office, to a 30+ year old working in the creative industry, one child and a prospect of the mortgage ahead - I still hold true to the aspiration of anarchy. Though I would want to clarify somethings. Anarchy is the abolishing of all power which has been forcible or coercively delegated from people - thats means representative democracy, state councils, the hierarchical nature of production, the control by a extremely few people of all the means of what can be classed a neccesities of life - food, production, culture...etc. Anarchy is not subjective, it is a description of a critique based on the notion that structures of power are enforced and by default they act against the majority. The issue of Anarchy or not is not a issue for just anarchists, it is a issue for billions of people across the globe (and I include the majority of people in the UK not directly part of the rulling elite) who are faced with these structures, and whether through learned culture or repression are forced to obey them.

Anarchists at best have a critique which could be seen as the ultimate critique against the way our society is run and organised. Anarchists criticised in the late 1890's,before even the possibility of a revolution was even concievable, that the proposals from communists to seizing the state for use in transforming society would lead to the despotic regimes that sadly had gaind dominance after mass uprisings in Russia and China. I think it is also true that, the next few years will see an explosion of ideas coming from those at the brunt of the recession that will lead people to questioning much more fundemental aspects of our society. As an anarchist this is a good thing, not because we seek to exploit the misery that we are all facing with the economic nose dive but because without a greater participation in a real democratic process we will just continue to defer and defer any solutions that capitalism truly poses us. Ultimately Capitalism, the market economy and the state are not fit for the future - humanity has come a long way, I think we either choose to continue with the same (or alot worst) or take up the struggle and make a world we would want to live in.
MEDIA PROPAGANDA
[info]copycat7 wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 04:04 pm (UTC)
The word Anarchist strikes fear in most peoples minds. Let us wake up and realise that the people demonstrating are mostly not anarchists. They are ordinary people who want to put things right. IT IS ONLY THE MEDIA THAT WANT US ALL TO THINK THEY ARE ANARCHISTS! DONT FALL FOR THE GOVT PROPAGANDA!
The horror is - [info]cronyblatcher - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 05:54 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Discontent with Labour/Tories, Tories/Labour - Democrats/Republicans, Republicans/Democrats ....
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 05:11 pm (UTC)
djang. Have you completed your Transexual treatment? I hear Dr Levy is your surgeon. Good luck.
Same old
[info]jaded63 wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 05:23 pm (UTC)

I used to be in CND in the early 60s, and it's always been the same old anarchist types attaching themselves to whatever demonstration is going. I'm quite fond of them, really, and I used to have a couple of anarchist friends. They are quite adoptable, perhaps everyone should adopt an anarchist. However, the sysndrome is always the same, the demos are always the same (I remember being nearly killed, accidentally, by a police horse in London in the final stage of the '63 Aldermaston - it's haunches, on a level with my head, slapped into the wall beside me, and if I had been on that spot I would have undoubtedly been crushed to death), and the result is always the same - police 1, Anarchists etc 0, and quite a good time had by all.
Re: Same old
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 08:15 pm (UTC)
visible scuffles between the apparatus of a stooge State and the well intended naive. In contrast, the (ongoing) struggle between nakedly anti-social darker force and political soldiers it knows to be the only effective enemy, has been a darker and unremitting affair. The end of it is now in sight - but where is our enabling Cromwell, to give democracy a better chance than its opposite?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbjQeW8KRn0

Give you what money back?
[info]mike270166 wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 07:14 pm (UTC)
'This is a flash-mob demonstration, mobilised through a Facebook event called "Give us our money back".'

Very amusing. A collection of feckless dropouts and losers, most of whom who pay no tax, and don't have enough money to have savings and investments, demanding their money back.

What they of course mean is 'Give us lots of money for nothing'.

Try doing a day's work, or creating something of value, and we'll see if we can find a few quid for you.

You 'anarchists' enjoy your day out this week. Break a few windows. You really think your moment has arrived don't you? This time the people will rise up won't they? And of course, after the revolution, although it's against your better instincts, some of you will have to take charge won't you? Just for the important things like 'security' and 'distribution of resources'. And if people don't obey your orders, well you might regrettably have to rough them up a bit - maybe set up special camps to 'concentrate' all the trouble-makers in one place.

You are, of course, second-rate fascists. Fortunately for the rest of us there are only about ten of you, and after this week we won't have to read about you again for a couple of years.

By the way, they reckon cognitive behavioural therapy can work wonders for chronic low self-esteem.

ron_broxted: It is completely coincidental that my laptop has been remotely hacked.After I wrote about G20.

Ooh! Quite the little enemy of the state aren't we! Watch out for those black helicopters - or maybe just get some decent security software.
Re: Give you what money back?
[info]zanulabour wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 09:34 pm (UTC)
they reckon cognitive behavioural therapy can work wonders for chronic low self-esteem.
WHY DONT YOU GET SOME ARSE LICKER
capitalism
[info]markpostie wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 07:24 pm (UTC)
the likes of the USSR were not socialist/communist but were actually state capitalists ie looking to all intents and purposes like socialists but behaving like capitalists so it really gets on my wires when people start posting comments like "socialism etc has all been tried before in russia" and "hey capitalism aint perfect but its the best system weve got" this system we have is tired and on its last legs- lets kick it while its down.............
Re: capitalism
[info]jaded63 wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 08:52 pm (UTC)
In the 1930s my parents had a motorcycle they named 'Capitalism', because it was always on the verge of breaking down. However, Capitalism is still here, though that motorcycle is long gone.
you should - [info]cronyblatcher - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 09:01 pm (UTC) Expand
Anarchy--A Vehicle for Agents Provocateur
[info]prinzowhales wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 09:08 pm (UTC)
In Seattle these 'anarchists' mingled with the peaceful crowds tossing rocks at the police who were forbidden to attack...the anarchists then withdrew and the police attacked the peaceful protestors on cue...some were seen entered the police HQ. In Ottawa some 'anarchists' wore the same police shoes as the police...coincidence?--no...And we have Miami...and Genoa...whereever the Corporatists want to pin a bad name on protestors we have these creatures oozing out of the cracks to discredit those who legitimately protest the swinish leadership of the powers that be.
Where's the "Hate"?
[info]isaacbrown wrote:
Monday, 30 March 2009 at 04:14 am (UTC)
Bizarre stuff - imagine if the BNP were planning mass street violence and were linked to violence and the bombers like The Angry Brigade - which they are most certainly not. The papers would be full of talk about "hate" yet all the anarchist have is "Rage"! Why is this? Is it because the media are infested with fellow travellers to these wicked, stupid class warriors? Capitalism and the free market have given much to many - the problem as I see it is the international flow of capital - it comes in but flows out just as quick. Perhaps the UK should finance its own industry with its own capital, and keep the proceeds "in house" - at the same time excluding foreigners and employing our own. Communism needs anarchy - we must be wary and revert to nationalism and away from internationalism and communism hich will destroy our great nation.
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