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What lies ahead for Binyam Mohamed?

As the Guantanamo detainee returns to Britain, Richard Osley looks at the uncertainties he faces in adjusting to normal life after years of imprisonment

Binyam Mohamed claims the US took him to Morocco to be tortured

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Binyam Mohamed's hunger strike at Guantanamo sharpened focus on his claims of mistreatment at the hands of US authorities

He will no longer have to wear the orange jumpsuit that has been his garb for the past four and a half years. It is just one small adjustment among the myriad changes that Binyam Mohamed will cope with as he leaves incarceration in Cuba for a future of fear and uncertainty.

The former Guantanamo Bay prisoner is due to fly into RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire tomorrow. Instead of being raced to an interrogation by anti-terrorism officers, he will almost certainly to be taken to hospital. At some stage, the 30-year-old will answer questions, but there is little prospect of any charges being brought. This week, his medical condition will be the chief priority.

Recently described as “just skin and bones”, Mr Mohamed has been left looking emaciated after a five-week hunger strike. A doctor will sit next to him throughout the flight home. He has paid a heavy price for his freedom: it was refusing food that sharpened the focus on his claims of torture at the hands of US authorities, the conditions at Guantanamo and his lack of opportunity for a legal appeal. Any “evidence” of links with terrorist groups, he said, was forced out of him in a “dark prison” in Kabul and a torture chamber in Morocco before he was sent to the prison camp in Cuba.

His release was confirmed by the Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, on Friday night.

By late tomorrow or early Tuesday, Mr Mohamed is likely to be free for the first time since he was arrested at Karachi airport in 2002, while allegedly using a false passport. Although born in Ethiopia, he was given leave to stay in the UK in 1994 as a teenage asylum-seeker. His travels to Pakistan and Afghanistan – explained by him as an attempt to get away from a bad circle of friends in London – led to US suspicions that he had been involved in al-Qa’ida training camps and a “dirty bomb” plot to attack America. Mr Mohamed denies the claims, and says he was abused during his detention: the alleged torture included cutting his penis with a scalpel and hanging him in the air by a leather strap.

He is reluctant to go to hospital. He will need psychiatric help to readjust to a world without eye masks, barbed wire, handcuffs and armed guards. Lord Carlile, the Lib Dem peer who has led an independent review of the UK’s terror laws, said yesterday: “I would expect a light and gentle touch to be applied to ensure that he is given every opportunity, subject to law, to integrate himself back into British society. There is no doubt he has suffered.”

Mr Mohamed will follow in the footsteps of eight other British residents who have been released from Guantanamo. Moazzam Begg, a bookseller from Birmingham who spent nearly three years in the camp without ever being charged, wrote a book about his harrowing experiences. But he is exceptional in his resilience against the mental scars inflicted in the prison.

Other former inmates have looked to blend quietly back into everyday life. “There is no rehabilitation programme, nothing as far as the Government is concerned, which helps to reintroduce this person into normal society,” Mr Begg told a radio interviewer. “In the case of somebody who returns to this country where he has no family members, it’s going to be doubly difficult.”

Mr Mohamed is said to want to get to “somewhere quiet”. It is unclear where he will stay, and there could be legal action over his right to stay in the country. He has no family here: his brother and sister live in the US. And he has a lost touch with many of the friends he made while studying.

Kate Allen, from Amnesty International, said last night: “The immediate focus should now be on providing medical and other support for Binyam.”

Mr Mohamed’s lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, said: “He wants to go somewhere extremely quiet and have nothing to do with anyone. Binyam wants nothing more than to return to normal life in Britain.”

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Re: Somewhere quiet
[info]richardbradley wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 01:36 am (UTC)
How about sending him to the Tora Bora mountains on tax payers expense..
I understand it's quiet lovely there at this time of the year.


There he would be amongst friends and fresh mountain air. After a few months there we could bring him back. He would be the decent thing to do.
Binyam
[info]repton4 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 01:44 am (UTC)
This man is not Brtish he is Ethiopian He has no family hear his brother and sister live in the US 95% of British people do not want him in the country it's just more fuel for the BNP fire, Theses people come to Britain they do not like Britain or British people they don't want to integreat they want to change our culture and customs, for years the Labour have bent over backwards to help theses people but our generosity has just been thrown back at us, Labour do not care about the indiginos people of Britain it has gone full circle now labour are Racist towards British white people.
Re: Binyam
[info]perk_i wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 03:09 pm (UTC)
There is so much wrong with this ill-thought-out, lacking-the-facts perspective that I am at a loss as to where to start.

England is nothing, if not a historical melting pot of different cultures and customs. If you don't like it, I suggest you find yourself a tiny island where you can govern yourself, protect yourself, tax yourself, serve and heal yourself, and exclude anyone who doesn't look, act or think like you.

We'll see you back here the day after tomorrow.
Re: Binyam
[info]widester wrote:
Saturday, 14 March 2009 at 09:14 am (UTC)
No, England is a Unified country and only in the last 40 years has there been large numbers of different cultures in this country, So your argument is like every other pro-immigration labour voter incorrect and out of date and which to silence any voice that doesn't agree with you own idea of multi-culturalism I suggest if you don't like that England and free speech then your own island as your argument as his is almost identical. Why should we help people from around the world only to have that help thrown back in our face. More and more people are fed up with importing people only to destroy our culture and traditions, just look at Christmas lights being renamed winter lights for a start.

This Guy was an illegal immigrant and his was only granted residency because of length of stay, he then decided to move to Afghanistan, apparently to get away from is drugs problem to an area which produces the most heroin in the world and the only to arrested on a false passport and then try's to blame the UK government to he can get some compo. I say why do we need people like this in this country.
Re: Binyam
[info]perk_i wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 07:02 am (UTC)
I have to say, when I have the misfortune to read a response as ill-informed as the one above, I am in two minds as to whether to laugh or cry.

I am not aware of how diversity and unity are polar opposites, nor indeed how it has only been over the 'last 40 years' that there have been 'large numbers of different cultures in this country'. I will not expend unnecessary energy here save to suggest you take an in-depth study of our history and perhaps even find out where the major arrivals in the last 40 years came from, and why.

What is perhaps most perplexing is that people with this sort of cultural myopia assume they know where 'open borders' people are coming from. They assume that because I believe we should have an open borders policy, I somehow condone the tip-toeing political correctness of our time. How stunted. And then to assume that I am a Labour voter is the final nail in the coffin. (Not mine, I should add.)

Of course, that such arguments are something of an embarrassment to public debate is only my opinion, and hence again I must refute the idea I would seek to 'silence any voice that doesn't agree with you own idea of multi-culturalism'. Debate, dear widester, is part of any strong democracy and public discourse. As the saying goes, I may disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it. (I do wish you'd use it slightly more wisely, though.)

Focusing on the wider issue rather than the calibre of response, however, it always appalls me how these neanderthal views are propagated by those who cite the changing name of Christmas lights (distasteful though I may find this) as a cultural armageddon. Perhaps the phrasology we now use to refer to black people, gay people, disabled people and the like would have been better before the advent of some discussion about how language reinforces prejudice.

Furthermore, as American sociologist Frank Tannenbaum says, 'The United States has as much crimes as it generates' and goes on to explain how the alleged 'criminals' in society are as much a part of the wider social complex as its poets, philosophers, artisans and engineers. In a global community, and not least one in which we are happy to disturb the international peace for a range of justified and unjustified reasons, how can we not expect the same principle to apply? Can we be surprised if we destroy Iraq's infrastructure and find an influx of Iraqi refugees? Can we be surprised if we bomb Afghanistan and find again, the lines at immigration? Can we be surprised if we subsidize African farmers out of agricultural markets and discover they have instead come to our shores to seek a better life? Can we be surprised if we enforce sanctions on Zimbabwe and discover that this has had no effect whatsoever on the government, but only enriched its propaganda efforts?

I am not saying for a moment that these actions are in themselves just or unjust. Each one must be judged on its own merit. But as global participants, and a country - like most others - built on an undeniable multi-culturalism, a richness of traditions, an ability to evolve - it is nothing less than bigotry and nothing more than tribalism to espouse views which fail to engage in even a percentile of the issues at stake.

Needless to say, I look forward to your response.
"He is reluctant to go to hospital"
[info]rasputin1973 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 04:35 am (UTC)
I wonder why? Is it perhaps we may find out that his 'torture' has been somewhat fabricated? I think he should be subjected to a detailed medical examination the minute he lands, in order to confirm his torture.

In addition and as far as I can recall, this young man left the UK on his own free will to return to Kashmir but was arrested in Pakistan with false papers. So why do people keep insisting he is a British resident. He should be returned to his country of origin and not here.
Send him back
[info]rickraider wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 07:00 am (UTC)
He is not British, he is a threat that we will have to supervise and we have no obligation towards him. Send him back to Ethiopia NOW.
Mr Mohamed
[info]findocask wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 07:20 am (UTC)
Mr Mohamed should be sent back to wherever he came from, why does the British taxpayer have to put up with the rubbish from around the world when we patently cant look after our own pensioners, children at risk and the normal citizen on the streets . We have gangs from all over the world disputing our streets , immigrants form all over the world taking our jobs. Kate Allen and others like her should be sent with him so she can look after the reat wherever they end up, some god forsaken mountain or desert.

Time to wake up England
He has paid a heavy price for his freedom
[info]findocask wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 07:26 am (UTC)
Now the taxpayer will pay a heavy price for looking after another " innocent " freedom fighter, my heart bleeds for them. Why does the English taxpayer have to put up with nonsense plus hand outs to Al Queda supporters.

What is needed is for every taxpayer to refuse to fund the nonsense this government dishes out and anything future governments try.

The quicker we send people like Mohamed and Kate Allen back to the hills of Ethopia the better for all of us.
Re: He has paid a heavy price for his freedom
[info]perk_i wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 10:44 pm (UTC)
Is there any possibility you could go with them?
Cure for Victims of Torture
[info]redroseandy wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 07:30 am (UTC)
The victims of systamatic torture are driven insane or instable by their attackers. The Kadir-Buxton can cure the mentally ill in thirty seconds and it is the best hope of Binyam returning to a normal life.
A lifetime Of Social Security Benefits
[info]mike4626 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 07:32 am (UTC)
another illegal immigrate to feed and a choir of 'do-gooders' asking for costly inquires
Re: A lifetime Of Social Security Benefits
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 11:23 am (UTC)
Learn to spell "immigrant" you thick twonk - if you want to be a BNP neonazi thug then at least try to use the native English language without elementary mistakes, knuckledragger.
Re: A lifetime Of Social Security Benefits
[info]vincent2222 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 05:55 pm (UTC)
I live do-gooders, there always attacking anyone who is sick of immigrants, with spelling complaints, usually they are solicitors who are millionaires thanks to these immigrants cluttering up the legal system, or landlords renting out a dozen or so properties to these illegal immigrants while claiming housing benefit.
Why dont you clowns all go and live in paki land too, by the way i hate nazi's & skinheads & racists, but i also hate illegal immigrants who are breaking the back of this once great country.
These corrupt little people, come from there corrupt little countries to the UK, never do a days work here, get a council house with in a week, it would take a UK national about 8 years, they get cars from the benefit office & there on invalid benefit for there entire stay with us.

Get out from your mansion you prat & get mugged by one of them & maybe you might not be so concerned about spelling.
Oh the spelling police, is that your contribution in life? you ASS.............

Re: A lifetime Of Social Security Benefits
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 06:20 pm (UTC)
And they told me Alf Garnett was dead??

ROFL!!
why bother ??
[info]omegatvt wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 07:45 am (UTC)
a normal life in britain ??? he will be claiming imcapacity benefit cause he feel mental unstable. this means free house, benefits and a care free life.

he will spend most of time chillng down the mosque and doing a bit of holiday around the world.

i will bet my whole mortgage on this outcome. well done kate and Clive !!>
I cannot believe..............
[info]berewic wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 08:00 am (UTC)
What goes through the minds of NuLabours Ministeres?
I cannot believe....
[info]berewic wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 08:33 am (UTC)
What goes through the minds of NuLabours Ministers?

Binyam Mohamed (great British name) is no British citizen and never has been. The fact that NuLabours lieing immigration minister allowed this man to reside here at one point is no reason for allowing him to do so again.
Does this fool government actually believe that after spending several years in Guantanamo, this Binyam Mohamed (great British name) is just going to settle down and tend to his roses?
Binyam Mohamed (great British name) is probably bitter, angry, hateful of the West and is bound to be more trouble. He will come to Britain and be welcomed as a hero by the headbanging, hate filled Islamist and the hot, eyebrow twitching Asian babes in their burkas.

On his return he should be put straight on the first outward bound bucket seat flight available along with the rest of his none British citizen family.

Britain already has a perfectly adequate group destroying the country, it's called NuLabour.
Re: I cannot believe....
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 08:25 pm (UTC)
In point of fact, you gutless Little Englander rectal wipe, it has been Nu Labour which has been instrumental in this man's detention and torture.

But what do facts matter to the UKIP blackshirts?

Hadn't you better get back to sucking yankee shoeleather?
Re: I cannot believe....
[info]berewic wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 02:25 am (UTC)
You pig ignorant monkey, go home to your dirty little third world slum.
BRITS EXPOSED
[info]brinksman wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 08:53 am (UTC)
What nice, humane people you British are. After reading some of the ranting on this poor chap, I thought I had stumbled onto BNP site. But then again, most of you British would fit well in with the BNP. Good to see you exposed...
Re: BRITS EXPOSED
[info]berewic wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 09:19 am (UTC)
Maybe the electorate are waking up. Perhaps at earlier elections British voters were unaware of just how anti-Britain NuLabour are.
Maybe you should start thinking about going home.
Re: BRITS EXPOSED
[info]michaelrhooper wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 04:45 pm (UTC)
We are a very humane country, just consider the number of political refugees we have here. I resent having people such as Binyam Mohamed back in this country again. He was given permission to stay in the U.K. in 1994. After converting to Islam, he says he went to Afghanistan to cure his drug problem, I suppose if he had an alcohol problem he would have gone to Scotland to see a distillery! This man went to join the other 1,000's of young Muslim men who have have gone to Pakistan for terrorist training or onto Afghanistan as in the case of Mr Mohamed to fight against the UN/Nato force there. He should be shot as a traitor to the country that gave him shelter, not treated as a poor hard done by innocent. This country puts up with the likes of Abu Qatada we don't need more of his ilk. Yes I am British, and it would appear you are not, how many political refugees do you have in your country?
Re: BRITS EXPOSED
[info]gwilymr_j wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 11:46 pm (UTC)
Now read what his rose-tinted bespectacled lawyer has written in this newspaper. This man is completely out of touch with reality which is that Binman was heading to be a suicide bomber.
If you think it's a barrel of laughs blowing up buses and tube trains then welcome him with open arms.
Re: BRITS EXPOSED
[info]widester wrote:
Saturday, 14 March 2009 at 09:21 am (UTC)
Amen
Re: BRITS EXPOSED
[info]swansea_jack wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 05:02 pm (UTC)
There are also another 255 detainees waiting to come here from guantanamo, what excuse this sorry labour government will make to bring them here I do not know, but you can bet it will be some exagerated claim that they are British residents, perhaps because they visited here when the plane they were in passed through British air space,
Bottom line is would not Mohamed feel more at home amongst others like himself in his homeland Ethopia, and should not he be sent there by the US as they are holding him not the UK?

Clive
I agree with Brinksman!!!
[info]jabbanobadda wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 09:31 am (UTC)
All of you are frankly DISGUSTING individuals. Lets look at things this way. Because of YOUR complacency. Because of YOUR isolationist, selfish, inward-looking views. Our government feel that they can get away with all sorts overseas and get away with it. When they turn back towards the British Isles, they do get rebuked for bad behaviour. So, we have sent armed Soldiers to plenty of locations in the middle east, with suspect agendas for going in (deposing military governments we placed there by funding coups against the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED governments) and have COMPLETELY failed to fulfill our mission objectives. The quantities of Opium poppies grown. are 400% higher now than before the joint American/British invasion. 85% of the population at the heart of the war were trying to live through the Afghan winter (far worse than anything we can offer) with no form of housing whatsoever. They were living in tents and ditches.

All of this happened and what did YOU do? Maybe you campaigned, wrote a letter or two, something of little inconvenience to you that has little or no efficacy other than to lend you an undue sense of self-worth and smugness. These are our brothers and sisters and you did NOTHING. So this individual AFTER being locked up for 4 years without trial (with or without torture, that is still bad enough) is being bought back to this country. So what? You think that excluding these people after imprisoning them without charge would impress and placate the Muslim community in the UK more? Plus, your opinions on Muslims are so far wide of the mark, ignorant and offensive, it is obvious that you are all well-to-do with little or no interaction with the society you purport to know so much about. At least you must do to be able to cast such ill-informed, damming indictments with such abandon.

What is most insulting of all is that despite the background to this situation being deaths of Brits and Afghans - in fact; Americans, Iraqis and all sorts - to suit the agendas of the conglomerates and the most influential western autocracies.... You are all complaining about penny pinching and the cost to the tax payer.

So, straight faced, when eye-to-eye with blatant and cynical invasion and killing with horrible and pointless loss on both sides, you can ignore the bigger picture and complain about some of the resulting refugees from the situation YOU FAILED TO AVERT stealing your tax money, jobs and women. Do you ever look at yourselves in the mirror? Do you ever stop to think, or have your minds been so rotted by staring at TV screens you are incapable of self-examination and critique?

If you can sleep at night whilst boiling down the subjugation of a swathe of religious society to disapproving of the results on financial grounds, then obviously - little doggy - you've been sitting up and paying attention to the right adverts. I'm sure you're having a good nightol!
Re: EXPOSE THIS
[info]berewic wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 10:32 am (UTC)
Well we agree about one thing, NuLbour do not represent the electorate or the country. As NuLabour control the police & law courts, it is unlikely any government minister will face trial, not this side of a general election anyway.
One thing is guaranteed, NuLabour will be in meltdown at the next general election and hopefully, the new government will hold them accountable for their crimes. All of them.

As for the concerns for Muslim sensitivities, I have none. I care not one jot for the Muslim community. I am sick to death of hearing the poor trodden on Muslim community bleating about this offending them, that offending them.
Look, this is an English speaking Christian society, based on Christian values & principles, free speech and democracy. It is not for us to change our traditions in order to fit in with foreigners sensibilities, culture or religion. We are not going to adapt to fit in with your culture. If you want to live here you must adapt to fit in with ours. If the Muslim community cannot fit-in with Western society, it has no place in Western society.

You are free to leave.
Another great Christian value. The freedom to leave.
Re: EXPOSE THIS
[info]jabbanobadda wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 11:00 am (UTC)
The Muslim community do not 'Bleat about this and that offending them'. It is exactly like the whole political correctness thing. Virtually everyone doesn't care and just gets on with it. A few loud mouth, influential idiots trying to make names for themselves have already decided how they think things should be run and shout until people pay attention. Then due to the nature of the press, these incidents get more coverage than they should and people judge the whole situation by the criteria. I've lived in a lot of Muslim communities and all they wanted was integration. I am strongly of the opinion there is some manipulation in this to form animosity between the caucasian British population and the British ethnics. The moment you are making sweeping generalisations like 'the mulsim community think this' you should be careful. How do you feel about saying that the traditional, caucasian, christian British populace are a bunch of lazy, binge-drinking, violent arses? Not true across the board. However, you would be forgiven for thinking that from the press coverage.

Personally, I think this is all based on trust. Myself, I trust my brother man over ANY form of press or government. People just want to be and exist. Government and press have things to gain from twisting stories far beyond anything a single human could. Therefore, I trust ANY muslim, Sikh, well damn anything - Satanist even - more than any newspaper or Politician. You probably do too. Just don't turn so inward through your despair that you recycle thoughts and emotions without examining them. It's dangerous, and often you end up saying and doing things you never really meant!
Re: EXPOSE THIS
[info]forwardplanning wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 12:45 pm (UTC)
I agree with mogulqueen and berewic
Re: EXPOSE THIS
[info]mogulqueen wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 11:04 am (UTC)
I agree with berewic's sentiments entirely.

All Nu Labour govt ministers, from 1997 onwards, should be held accountable for their appalling actions against the increasingly hard-working citizens of the UK.

The UK Christian society has to stand up against this govt as well as Muslim communities who are consistently attempting to alter the British way of life and erode what we have striven for during the last century.

Dear Muslims, if you do not like our way of life, I respectfully suggest you leave and live in a country that would better suit your needs.
Re: EXPOSE THIS
[info]rjsutcliffe wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 11:13 am (UTC)
While this is a Christian society I think that ironically it is karma at play for you poor Brits. Years of jumping head first into other peoples countries have finally come home to roost. Outsourcing torture to Pakistan is terrible, it's yet another time that good British jobs have been sold to lower bidders. If you are sick of other people coming to your country and taking your precious tax money, perhaps you should leave the middle east. Britain rules the waves, and waives the rules as Spike Milligan said.
Binyam Mohamed
[info]mogulqueen wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 10:50 am (UTC)
jabbanobadda wrote:
All of you are frankly DISGUSTING individuals.

We are not disgusting individuals. We are British people, sick and tired of welcoming citizens of other countries to our country and who then seek to destroy our culture, our values and our freedom of speech. Binyam Mohamed is not British, he is Ethiopian. We do not owe any allegiance to him nor him to us. He has no family in the UK. Talking of which, why did he come here in the first place then sally forth to Pakistan and Afghanistan of all places in the world he could go to? I see his explanation was to get away from friends in London. So he didn't like London therefore why is he coming back to London? He will no doubt live there at the taxpayers expense and this is unacceptable. The UK govt has to wake up and start listening to its electorate. We no longer want to accommodate radicals of any persuasion whose sole purpose is to destroy all that is British.
Re: Binyam Mohamed
[info]jabbanobadda wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 11:22 am (UTC)
Hard working and unwilling to share to those less fortunate, put into this situation by our unwillingness to let go of a colonial mindset and foreign policy. I do not contest that people coming into the cou ntry and insisting that we change the culture to suit them should be told where to get off. But this article is not about that. This article is about a foreign national that was accepted into this country under refugee law and then imprisioned ILLEGALLY by us. This nationality thing is a farce anyhow. The mass immigration then emmigration of the polish workforce elucidates clearly what would happen if boarders everywhere were dropped and visas un-neccessary. People would follow the strongest economies. This would probably level the field with the rich/poor disparity. Why is it that those with little are willing to share. Whereas in the UK we have so much and guard it so jealously. The US is even worse. They are using the Israeli engineers that constructed the wall around the west-bank as consultants to make an even bigger one between themselves and the Mexicans (who are vital to their economy). The whole thing is a farce. No one person has the right to be anywhere more than another. If you are going to cite paying taxes as a reason. WHY ARE YOU PAYING THESE GREEDY MANIPULATORS YOUR HARD EARNED CASH? The government doesn't deserve it. They ruin things, look out for themselves and steal your cash and you turn on foreign nationals over it? If you don't like how society is strucured, don't accept it. If you say that you can't, then get on with being a cog in the machine and stop complaining.

I maintain the fact that allowing your government to illegally hold foreign nationals for protracted amounts of time then complaining about the cost to the tax-payer is disgusting!
Re: Binyam Mohamed
[info]forwardplanning wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 12:53 pm (UTC)
I am hardworking and very willing to help the less fortunate, but I do this with charity, either with actions or funding.

The fundamental difference, it is my choice.

It is not and never has been the remit of government to assume that every one who wants to come here is given entry and that living here is automatically funded by the taxpayer.

We are supposed to be a democracy, you know the concept of majority.

Given the State of our economy and the level of National debt, created by Browns policies, the people should have a say and it appears the majority have a great deal more sense than this cabal and a handful of bleeding hearts.
Re: Binyam Mohamed
[info]widester wrote:
Saturday, 14 March 2009 at 09:47 am (UTC)
"This article is about a foreign national that was accepted into this country under refugee law and then imprisoned ILLEGALLY by us"


He was not Imprisoned by the UK government at all. Get your facts straight.

Your Ideas of an open borders system is just frankly un thought out and idiotic, systems like that just cause more problems, like housing, travel infrastructure and education. I'm sure that you would change your mind if you had cancer and the NHS couldn't fund your treatment because the NHS is over stretched to pay for treatment immigrants with TB, Aids cancer and other health problems . You are not realistic and live a dream world utopia. What about if your kids could get a place at school because of Immigrants and the social system giving them higher priority like it does now.
Mass low paid immigration doesn't help the economy as it drives down wages for the indigenous population and the tax revenue is low so that it doesn't cover the services the UK provide. IF you want Mass immigration there are consequences and poor public service's is one, just look at Slough council as an example.

I would like to live on a beach in the Maldives perhaps they could give me a nice beach hut and pay me benefits, but no doubt if 1000000 brits pushed out the locals you would say that is unfair and should be stopped.
Re: Binyam Mohamed
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 08:28 pm (UTC)
"We are not disgusting individuals.@

Actually you are. Gutless spineless little tossers, who want to play soldiers and have big wars, but hate to lose them (as you have) or deal with the consquences of your torture, murder and lies.

You really make me PUKE.

And I'm born in London, before you start your pathetic castrated squealing, GUTLESS A*SEHOLE.
torture
[info]tizab wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 04:06 pm (UTC)
this article is not about Ben's immigration status in this country, nor it is about allowing too many people in the country. This article is about torture, about ignoring justice system,about outrage, for that is what the act of torture is, "outragous". The people who commit torture are the scum of the earth. they are a dirty blot on the face of the humanity and civilisation, their coverdly act is " outragous" .
The people who are avading the facts about the "outrage", I assume, they are the remenants of the same tribe of coverds, the"outrage".
If Ben has no place to go or nobody to see I am happy to provide him an accomodation and to offer him a friendship. That is the least a country who has had a hand in renditions and torture, could do for a victim of torture. We should hide our faces from the shame of what our government has been a party to the vile act of torture. People coming here and discussing immigration is a shameless and audacious jesture from a coverd.
Tizab.
torture
[info]tizab wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 04:09 pm (UTC)
this article is not about Ben's immigration status in this country, nor it is about allowing too many people in the country. This article is about torture, about ignoring justice system,about outrage, for that is what the act of torture is, "outragous". The people who commit torture are the scum of the earth. they are a dirty blot on the face of the humanity and civilisation, their coverdly act is " outragous" .
The people who are avading the facts about the "outrage", I assume, they are the remenants of the same tribe of cowards, the"outrage".
If Ben has no place to go or nobody to see I am happy to provide him an accomodation and to offer him a friendship. That is the least a country who has had a hand in renditions and torture, could do for a victim of torture. We should hide our faces from the shame of what our government has been a party to the vile act of torture. People coming here and discussing immigration is a shameless and audacious jesture from a coward.
Tizab.
torture
[info]tizab wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 04:26 pm (UTC)
this article is not about Ben's immigration status in this country, nor it is about allowing too many people in the country. This article is about torture, about ignoring justice system,about outrage, for that is what the act of torture is, "outragous". The people who commit torture are the scum of the earth. they are a dirty blot on the face of the humanity and civilisation, their coverdly act is " outragous" .
The people who are avading the facts about the "outrage", I assume, they are the remenants of the same tribe of cowards, the"outrage".
If Ben has no place to go or nobody to see I am happy to provide him an accomodation and to offer him a friendship. That is the least a country who has had a hand in renditions and torture, could do for a victim of torture. We should hide our faces from the shame of what our government has been a party to the vile act of torture. People coming here and discussing immigration is a shameless and audacious jesture from a coward.
Tizab.
Re: torture
[info]paysdegex wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 07:49 pm (UTC)
He must bear the lion's share or responsibility for placing himself in harm's way.

If he'd stuck to getting on with life in London instead of "holidaying" in a war zone...well, the rest is non-history.
Re: torture
[info]tizab wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 11:20 am (UTC)
First of all I did not see my little piece in a publishe form. Second of all I recieve a little not pretending to be a reply to my writing.
Are you reluctant to say unpalatable things about the people who do outragious things?
Are there really this many few numbers of people in the UK who truly understand the true meaning of having a principled justice system and processes,and the consequeces of a lack of such system on having a demacacy today?
"In a confusion, are we leading eachother arround down a worrying spiral of ignorance"?
What lies ahead ? ...
[info]northerner_5969 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 09:28 pm (UTC)
Frankly I don't give a shit !
He should not have been here in the first place.

All you human rights idiots need to get in the real world.
You need to ask yourself what he was doing in Afghansitan, was there a conference of the ethiopian brass rubbing society being held in Kabul ?
You will all look a tad foolish if this man decides to continue to pursue his blatant hatred of the hand that has fed him by exploding a few of his home made meccano bombs .

Re: What lies ahead ? ...
[info]pa035 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 10:33 pm (UTC)
He is not welcome here, send him to his homeland.
binyam
[info]biggurs wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 01:48 pm (UTC)
back to the original question of what were alot of residents of western countries who are NOT of packistani or afghan descent doing in pakistan or afghanistan? And what gives the US the right to torture human beings whether Guilty or innocent?
binyam mohamed
[info]w_park wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 05:07 pm (UTC)
Is it me that is out of step
was he not caught in terrorist training camp.
The poor little angel was just there to kick his drug habit .
By learning to make bombs and shoot british soldiers
Binyam Mohamed
[info]ij23 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 10:23 am (UTC)
Whilst it is regrettable that Binyam Mohamed was denied access to the rule of law and was allegedly subjected to systematic torture, he is not the innocent candidate for sainthood that the media would now have us believe! He was originally granted British residency and the opportunity to make a life in our green and pleasant land, with all the benefits that entails, but decided to tour the world's terrorist hot spots on false documents, (sure sign of an upstanding citizen). When questioned why he visited Afganistan, it was reported, "to kick his drug habit" Afganistan for drug rehabilitation! Does "The Priory" have a branch there?
Binyam Mohamed
[info]brucejamieson wrote:
Saturday, 28 February 2009 at 08:55 pm (UTC)
So why was he released from custody before the review requested was carried out? The head of
Guantanamo apparently does not know. It appears some deal has been done between the US and UK.
This for a person who has very doubtful qualifications to remain in the UK. the torture allegations are a redherring as far as this is concerned - disturbing though the reports are.

He is, of course, already on substantial state benefits. Why was such expensive transport used to bring him back?

I think we should be told these things.

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