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Britain's banking crisis

Blame Brown: Revenge of the whistleblower

A former HBOS executive says he has documents that prove the Prime Minister must take responsibility for the mess in the markets

By Margareta Pagano and Jane Merrick

Paul Moore says that Gordon Brown should have checked the banks' reckless lending

Justin Sutcliffe

Paul Moore says that Gordon Brown should have checked the banks' reckless lending

The HBOS whistleblower whose revelations led to the resignation of one of the Government's top regulators is about to release a tranche of documents which he says point a direct and accusatory finger at Gordon Brown's responsibility for the banking crisis, and has called on the Prime Minister to resign. In a further blow to Labour, an Independent on Sunday poll showed voter support for the party evaporating, leaving it only a few points ahead of the Lib Dems.

Paul Moore, the former head of risk at HBOS, told the IoS that he has more than 30 potentially incendiary documents which he will send to MPs on the Treasury Select Committee. He says they disprove Mr Brown's claim about the reasons for HBOS's catastrophic losses – now estimated to be nearly £11bn – and show that it was the reckless lending culture, easy credit and failed regulation of the Brown years that led directly to the implosion of British banks.

After Mr Moore's explosive testimony at the MPs' banking hearing, the Prime Minister had denied the former executive's central charges and said that HBOS's difficulties were due to its flawed business model. Mr Moore says his documents refute this and prove the cause of the crisis can be laid at Gordon Brown's feet. He believes Mr Brown's failure to intervene over the reckless lending undertaken by all the banks over the past decade means he should go. "The failure goes right to the heart of the system – to the internal supervisory system and right to the top of government."

Mr Moore told the IoS yesterday: "Brown must go. He cannot remain in office. He has presided over the biggest boom in the history of the country as well as one of the biggest busts. But he promised no more boom and bust. He must be held accountable for his failure to oversee the stability of the country.

"Brown presided over a policy based on excessive consumer spending based on excessive consumer credit based on massively increasing property prices, which were caused by excessively easy credit which could only ultimately lead to disaster. But no, in Gordon's mind it was all caused by global events beyond his and anyone else's control."

Mr Moore's evidence to the Treasure Select Committee last week led to the resignation from the Financial Services Authority (FSA), the City regulator, of the ex-HBOS chief executive Sir James Crosby, who dismissed Mr Moore from the bank after his warnings. In an exclusive interview with the IoS, Mr Moore revealed his documents contain all the evidence to support allegations he made to the HBOS board, which have been strongly denied by the bank and KPMG, the auditors brought in to investigate Mr Moore's claims. Yesterday, Mr Moore said his documents will "put to bed the idea that the KPMG report can be relied upon by Mr Brown, Sir James, the FSA and any other of the HBOS directors on the board at the time".

He says the papers – which he has kept from his time in his post as head of risk, from 2002 to 2005 – show that HBOS was involved in a huge sales drive to win market share which ultimately led to its collapse. Mr Moore claims that the "driven sales culture" was led by Sir James, and this, plus the "staggering failure" of the Government to manage the economy, had forced him to speak out. "Brown swaggers around holding himself out as the economic saviour of the world with a level of hubris that defies belief. But does he ever acknowledge that it was he, as Chancellor of the Exchequer, who presided functionally over the economic strategy that got us into this mess in the first place?"

As a trained barrister, Mr Moore stressed that his new evidence being sent to the committee will back up his claims. "I have compiled a meticulous record of my time at the bank. This will show that the version of events given by KPMG, which was brought in to carry out an audit of my claims, is inaccurate," he said. "Key witnesses were not included in the original audit and there are many factual errors. I will only be vindicated when all my allegations are proved by the evidence I have."

Mr Moore also attacks Mr Brown's judgement in appointing Sir James as his key adviser on the mortgage market, whom he blames for HBOS's high-octane sales culture. He says: "What I would like to ask the PM is this. If you are going to appoint the deputy chairman of the FSA, and former HBOS boss as your adviser, don't you think you should take references? Wouldn't you ask for references of the FSA? If you had got those references, they would have showed that there were serious concerns raised by the FSA over the business model."

The revelations come after a stunning week of developments in the banking sector, with HBOS – taken over by Lloyds TSB last autumn in a move prompted by Mr Brown's intervention – proving to have lost £11bn. Eric Daniels, the Lloyds chief executive, said £800m in profit had been annihilated by HBOS's losses. This is about £5bn more than City investors had been expecting and has renewed fears that the Government will have to nationalise the newly created Lloyds Banking Group. But senior sources said it could weather the storm. The Chancellor, Alistair Darling, has refused to rule out a full nationalisation.

Meanwhile, the IoS/ComRes poll finds that the controversy over bonuses has rebounded badly. Mr Brown, who has for several months enjoyed a polls boost because of the way voters view his handling of the financial crisis, is back at 25 per cent, the lowest since last September, before the banking crisis. The Lib Dems are the main beneficiaries, rising to 22 per cent, and the gap between the two parties is now at its narrowest since 1987 when support for the SDP/Liberal Alliance was at a high. The poll also reveals a backlash against bankers' bonuses, with 82 per cent of those asked calling for the bosses of bailed-out banks to repay their bonuses.

Regulatory failure: How the Prime Minister smoothed the way for 'disastrous' HBOS takeover

Surrounded by some of the City's most senior figures at a party on the day of the collapse of Lehman Brothers last September, Gordon Brown held a conversation with Sir Victor Blank, the chairman of Lloyds TSB. As champagne was nervously downed against the backdrop of a banking system on the brink, the Prime Minister, who never drinks at such events, facilitated Lloyds's takeover of the collapsing HBOS by agreeing to waive competition rules.

Details of the conversation at the Citigroup reception were widely briefed the next day, with Mr Brown apparently happy to let it be known he had helped rescue HBOS by smoothing the waters for the takeover.

The Prime Minister's role in the takeover, and his other swift responses early on in the banking crisis, marked the beginning of his resurgence. Five months on, with Britain in a deep recession, and Lloyds Banking Group shaken by the £10bn HBOS loss, Mr Brown's word in the ear of Sir Victor is viewed in a very different light. Critics say his eagerness to see the deal completed now looks reckless, and has fuelled suspicions that Lloyds bosses had their "arms twisted", in the words of the Lib Dem Treasury spokesman, Vince Cable.

HBOS whistleblower Paul Moore is not the only one to argue that Mr Brown's contribution to the crisis goes back much further. As Chancellor, he presided over a weakened banking regulation structure – of his own design, in defiance of strong expert dissent at the time – and excessive consumer credit, critics say.

Mr Moore is backed up by Lord Burns, Mr Brown's first permanent secretary to the Treasury in 1997. Giving evidence to a committee of peers last week, Lord Burns gave a damning assessment of the tripartite arrangement of the Bank of England, the Treasury and the FSA introduced by the then Chancellor, arguing that the three were not joined-up, allowing reckless banking to go unchecked.

Lord Burns told the Lords Economic Affairs Committee: "The new system had been set up on the basis of a Treasury instinct that the Bank of England was always too ready to rescue banks. Much of the arrangements were designed to make it just a little more difficult for the Bank to get involved in this."

Mr Brown's role is also under the spotlight because of the resignation of his close ally Sir James Crosby as deputy chairman of the FSA last week, following claims by Mr Moore that Sir James ignored his warnings about HBOS.

Critics said yesterday that Mr Brown had to take "huge responsibility" for the crisis at Lloyds and elsewhere. Former Tory Chancellor Lord Lamont said: "What has happened with Lloyds TSB/HBOS is truly scandalous.

"The Government encouraged the merger, the Prime Minister personally claimed the credit for it and the Government – despite many warnings – suspended the competition rules so that the merger could happen. The result has been nothing short of a disaster."

Jane Merrick

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Banking crisis
[info]deeegeee wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 01:04 am (UTC)
If,as Mr Brownsays,the crisis was caused by global events beyond his control then how is it that Canada managed to avoid the same meltdown as the UK banking system.Canada maintained the 1 - 10 lending controls why didn't the UK??Canada's banks did not come out unscathed,but they are the strongest in the world.
Re: Banking crisis
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 07:43 am (UTC)
Well said - the scapegoats could not have done it without the knowledge and encouragnment if not active participation of blatcherist governments during the past thirty years.
Re: Banking crisis - [info]kmorel - Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 12:59 pm (UTC) Expand
Browns Arrogance
[info]mikelmo wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 02:11 am (UTC)
The exact same question as deeegeee asked should apply, when one considers how Australias banks maintained the 1 to ten ratio and have been immune to the same levels of financial disasters.

Brown's sycophant approach to the banking sector, displays traits of one who would do whatever it takes to be accepted by powerbrokers.

He rushed through the merger of HBOS and Lloyds simply to win friends and more importantly to injure the Scottish Government.

Well he has done it now and should immediately tender his resignation to the Queen. Perhaps in future we should receive a psychological appraisal of all future candidates for the position of Prime Minister.

The UK does not have a Constitution that spells out that the Government are there to serve the People. Perhaps it is now time to appoint the People as the Sovereign Power, with triggers that can bring down a Government that is proving itself to not adhere to the will and needs of the Community as a whole.
Beware injunctions
[info]elevengoalposts wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 02:53 am (UTC)
One hopes that copies of his documents are both securely stored and have been already, or soon will be, distributed to many important persons and organizations.
When threatened by exposure, gov'ts and businesses have a long history of obtaining injunctions preventing the release of information very much in the public interest.
Mr Moore is undoubtedly a courageous man who has apparently displayed diligence and total commitment to his former employer and the banking system overall.
Instead of receiving support from the FSA and others, he was betrayed by so many people.
[info]mgoose wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 03:30 am (UTC)
Mr Moore is trained in law and is more inclined to make a case than he is to do the maths.

HBOS were given I believe an initial 17bl bail out which has now been followed by a further 11bl loss. HBOS have undoubtedly been reckless, the fact that the government watchdog FSA failed to enforce regulations is without question.

To say though that these massive losses are due to bad loans in the domestic market created by excessive consumer credit just does not add up.

HBOS were huge. HBOS did as much trading abroad as they did in this country and HBOS were far from exclusive to exposure to the toxic domestic market.

My memory is very clear on this, it was the bank of England that would not give the Labour party their vote of confidence during the years of Tory rule, stating that in their opinion Labour were not fit to run the country, even though the Tories were making such a very bad job of it. This happened in two consecutive election years.

It is only when Blair and Brown came along, having to guarantee the bank's independence first, that Labour were finally given a clean bill of health. The BoE then issued a statement that in their opinion Labour were no better or worse than the Conservatives.

It is the BoE that engineered it's own and our present financial predicament.
Maths is the problem
[info]hcurtiss wrote:
Monday, 16 February 2009 at 05:41 am (UTC)
Good point! Sadly a failure to understand maths, calculate risk or know how many 0s in a billion seems at the route of this. It is hoped that in future bank supremos and regulators must have at least a GCSE O level in Maths - even grade 3! The various exam board will have to start including 'billion' in the syllabus as it is a concept that has only surfaced since the liabilities of banking madness has become clear.

As for Moore, he is simply a sacked, embittered creep who failed to tell his story years ago, when it would have mattered. He apparently worries that he is a modern day Judas- rubbish of course- Judas had balls!!
Serious allegations
[info]mackname wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 03:32 am (UTC)
It has to be a misunderstanding, a huge mistake. bringing down a country on its knees is punishable by law, which could be decided by a military court of justice whether the country is at war.
Brown just annoys me.
[info]np57np wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 03:32 am (UTC)
I watch Brown on PMs questions and his arrogant 'grandstanding' and always getting a dig into the Tories, is just a front to his incompetence. In professional life, when I have been bullied around at work it's always by someone who is incompetent, and their lack of confidence causing them to pick on subordinates. Brown is like this, and the body language of the rest of the Labour front bench shows their weakness.
Brown is a knee jerk reactionary, where nothing is thought through properly. Look at the 10p tax fiasco.
Crosby and the other guy resigned very quickly. Makes me think there is a lot more to Brown's story that will unfold over the next few weeks, and will show how Brown masks the truth. I hope the full story from Paul Moore is published. Academically, this is getting very interesting.
Surely this government cannot last until the next planned general election.
Moore comments on GB
[info]strateshooter wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 03:54 am (UTC)
Brown is truly scaring me. Nothing is ever his fault. It points to a manical ego..and real personaity issues.
This guy was at the wehel of the UK economy for 10 years..and all could see it was 10 years of reversal for the UK.he has taken us back to the 70s..and we need a new leader..strong and passionate about the the future of the UK.
Brown is a clever man..but very flawed. Like his party he is basically dishonest and his judgement is very, very flawed.
We desperately need a new Gov now. We can't wait . NuLabour are clinging to power and its disastrous for us.
Terrifying Alternatives
[info]mgoose wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 04:29 am (UTC)
I am very worried that this may well prove to be the final bell for Gordon Brown.

It is not that I am a supporter, I am not, it is just that the alternatives are terrifying.

What is Kenneth Clarke doing on the front benches of the opposition at a time like this?

What is his qualification for being there? It is that when he was in government, in his then role as chancellor, he presided over the last recession.

Talk about rewarding failure, talk about risk taking. What a BONUS it is to us all, at THIS time to hear THAT voice speaking for us all, making sure that our interests are protected.

To say that the Conservatives are testing our nerve by taking the mick like this, at this very pivotal point in our history is putting it mildly.
Re: Terrifying Alternatives
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 08:22 am (UTC)
You refer to the other faction of the blatcherist 'business' party (aka self-serving organised political gang)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/1010/1223560345968.html
Re: Terrifying Alternatives - [info]bbc4israel - Monday, 16 February 2009 at 01:53 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Terrifying Alternatives - [info]mgoose - Monday, 16 February 2009 at 06:12 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Terrifying Alternatives - [info]bbc4israel - Monday, 16 February 2009 at 08:51 pm (UTC) Expand
Brown must go ?
[info]martingowar wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 06:54 am (UTC)
So says Mr. Moore. I and thousands of others have been saying this for months & years, but where has it got us ? All this blame-seeking sounds so much like the rats deserting the sinking ship. With Brown in absolute denial of complicity in his handling of the banking disaster in the U.K. just who has the power to force him to resign.
Re: Brown must go ?
[info]chris40uk wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 07:20 am (UTC)
Is Mr Moore a TORY by any chance?

I note the so called progressive press seem determined to bring about a Tory government.
Re: Brown must go ? - [info]bbc4israel - Monday, 16 February 2009 at 09:33 pm (UTC) Expand
Gordons porkies?
[info]airnokiaone wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 07:11 am (UTC)
Given that Brown has shirked all and any responsibility for this crisis and blamed it entirely on everyone else if these documents show other wise (which it appears they may well do) then Brown will have to go and of that there is no question whatsoever.
A general election should then be called and a fresh approach for the entire country can then be undertaken.
Re: Gordons porkies?
[info]chris40uk wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 07:22 am (UTC)
says Tory central office
Re: Gordons porkies? - [info]airnokiaone - Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 10:53 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Gordons porkies? - [info]bbc4israel - Monday, 16 February 2009 at 09:35 pm (UTC) Expand
Refresh your leadership
[info]fredbarnes wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 07:20 am (UTC)
Labor is tired. It's time for something new. We just changed parties and Presidents in America and it's so refreshing.

Re: Refresh your leadership
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 08:24 am (UTC)
Daily Robbery
[info]stickytruth2 wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 07:47 am (UTC)
If how this article states, that Brown knew of the coming financial crisis, what did Blair know?
Since these two have been in office the public have been ripped off, this also includes the whole banking system.
Re: Daily Robbery - or thirty years of subversion
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 08:40 am (UTC)
For thirty years, since the children's milk snatcher set Britain's bananarepublicanisation in motion, the dross have been participants in subversion as a condition of keeping their jobs. Blair is no exception.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyyGoPerzWc
Re: Daily Robbery - or thirty years of subversion - [info]indpenden_mind - Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 03:14 pm (UTC) Expand
Change of guard
[info]alfred241 wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 08:18 am (UTC)
Both in the UK and the USA a disastrous economic policy has lead to this on-going depression. In both countries, the people who instigated and profited from this policy have been given the task of solving this problem! How much longer can this farce continue?

We need real change and that has to start by acknowledging that housing is going down in price to its historic levels - around 3 times earnings. Anyone trying to promote mortgages based on house-prices that are higher than 3 times earnings is a crook and it trying to impoverish others.
Strongly denied by Who??
[info]thesavageirish wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 08:35 am (UTC)

Is this the same KPMG that was investigated by the US federal government for supposedly aiding rich clients with tax evasion of $2.5 billion dollars in 2003? Is this the same KPMG who, two years later paid close to 500 million to avoid federal indictments of fraud ? Yeah! Sure! Hire the fox to count the chickens. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck......................... And hey, twenty cents on the dollar is a nice return.
Re: Strongly denied by Who??
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 08:53 am (UTC)
Shades of Enron and Arthur Anderson.

Every so often we get such glimpses of organised economic crime at work.
Chickens roosting everywhere.....
[info]rickitickitavi wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 08:43 am (UTC)
At last! After many years of obfuscation it seems that we are approaching the day when the truth of Brown's economic miracle is laid bare. Paul Moore has surfaced to spoil the PM's carefully fabricated tale of how Britain has been brought to its knees by global events. How refreshing that we can now expect to receive a detailed account of how it all went so horribly wrong, and importantly, why and with whose blessing.I think Mr Moore deserves a place in the Lords for his sterling work. However, the likelihood is not great.
Boom and Bust
[info]bowkerpn wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 08:50 am (UTC)
Brown's claim that the current crisis is all due to external events is clearly ludicrous. Otherwise, how could I have written a book ("Boom and Bust") detailing economic chaos under Brown's premiership - and due to his actionss - before he became PM?
Banking crisis
[info]stellarst wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 08:52 am (UTC)
Come on you guys. What is the alternative? That upper class twerp Cameron? You must be joking. Har har.
Re: Banking crisis
[info]rush_is_right wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 09:32 am (UTC)
You are Derek Draper and I claim my five pounds.
Re: Banking crisis - [info]robertclondon - Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 10:39 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Banking crisis - [info]indpenden_mind - Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 03:17 pm (UTC) Expand
Blame Brown
[info]victormc wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 09:20 am (UTC)
This is just confirming what we have known for years- he never was and never will be up to the job.
His greatest of repeated ad nauseam boasts was the independence of the BOE it never was nor ever will be. The MPC are government appoijnted and a treasury mandarin sits at every meeting- just imagine the atmosphere. What we are witnessing now is the chickens coming home to roost. If there is now written proof from Mr Moore he is finished and should take his gold plated pension today. Stop blaming the Tories - Nulab. are IN POWERand in this respect it is Brown's policies and actions and his alone, don't give me any guff about Darling the puppet. The Tories can only oppose as is their sworn job in Parliament.
"Tories - Nulab"
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 09:44 am (UTC)
Y'mean Blatcherism (also described by some including Chomsky and Benn senior, as a factionalised "business party") which replaced Butskellism ( the post-war consensus on a mixed economy with moderate state intervention to promote social goals, particularly in education and health)

http://www.socialaffairsunit.org.uk/blog/archives/000528.php


Conservatives: party of the problem, not the solution - [info]robertclondon - Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 10:44 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Conservatives: party of the problem, not the solution - [info]victormc - Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 10:49 am (UTC) Expand
The Men who blew up the Banking System
[info]older_greek wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 10:27 am (UTC)
Why just Brown they were all in it from the beginning and perfectly conscious of the 'risks' as well as the 'rewards' for all. The Marxist analysis is fundamentally sound. The whole rotten system is well everdue for a substantial overhall: a Total Change not just a mere 'makeover' but who will perform the surgery, the trade unions are compromised, the Church has long been part of it and the communist parties are concerned about better rights for gay people and women last time I looked.
Could as professor Hobsbaum threatens, the BNP step in now, in what Mossley failed with his blackshirts?
An ancient Greek in London.
Re: The Men who blew up the Banking System
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 11:56 am (UTC)
Are the same men and women "who blew up" Britain and made it a banana republic with no bananas to sell
Re: The Men who blew up the Banking System - [info]kmorel - Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 12:25 pm (UTC) Expand
Regulatory Race to the Bottom
[info]fibblicious wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 10:47 am (UTC)
IMO, Gordon Brown is responsible for the entire global crisis, not just in the UK.

With low taxes for bankers, and no regulation, he attracted the financial firms to London. The US had to compete by actions such as removing Glass Stiegel.

We know what happened next.
Ok, we want Brown out but can the Tories provide the solution?
[info]isabella321 wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 10:57 am (UTC)
It always surprises me to see people in Britian take to the streets without delay in order to protest against the atrocities in Gaza, animal rights, and US-backed Tibetian monks who want to destabilise China.

The economic mess Gordon has led should propel us to the street now but general apathy in Britian on economic issues they don't understand as well as the Tories' inability to deliver a clear message on what they will do to get us out of the ess are probably holding people back.

Until David delivers this plan or the protests begin, I will write to the Queen to ask her to demand Gordon's resignation.

Re: Ok, we want Brown out but can the Tories provide the solution?
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 11:49 am (UTC)
If the right wing of Blatcherism wants to have any credibility at all then it should put that guy who resigned as a matter of principle in charge. (Davis / Davies?)

Me? If we can't have democracy or a military intervention to clear the snouts out of Westminster, then I opt for GG as PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyyGoPerzWc
Ok, we want Brown out but can the Tories provide the solution?
[info]isabella321 wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 11:23 am (UTC)
It always surprises me to see people in Britian take to the streets without delay in order to protest against the atrocities in Gaza, animal rights, and US-backed Tibetian monks who want to destabilise China.

The economic mess Gordon has led should propel us to the street now but general apathy in Britian on economic issues they don't understand as well as the Tories' inability to deliver a clear message on what they will do to get us out of the ess are probably holding people back.

Until David delivers this plan or the protests begin, I will write to the Queen to ask her to demand Gordon's resignation.

Whistleblower?
[info]zaphod_es wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 11:25 am (UTC)
Why do you call Moore a whistleblower? He has sat on this information for years while collecting his hush money from his former employer. It is only now that it is too late that he is going public. He has the air of a bitter man seeking revenge rather than a hero seeking truth and protection of the general public.

Of course it is a good thing that he is speaking out now but maybe he should first follow the example of his erstwhile bosses and apologise to the public for his misdeeds. A touch of humility would be no bad thing. He is part of the problem not the solution.
Re: Whistleblower?
[info]gollymolly44 wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 01:00 pm (UTC)
Quite right, where was this man before the solid stuff hit the fan. And maybe we should wait to hear what he has to say before we all start screaming at Mr Brown. And for the writer who complained that Mr Brown "was not elected", please note that we do not elect PMs in this country.
Re: Whistleblower? - [info]tinker77 - Monday, 16 February 2009 at 12:29 am (UTC) Expand
bonzo
[info]bonzo2go wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 11:36 am (UTC)
surely the question is;
What did Brown actualy know?- (well he had been there before!)
answer;
He accused theTorie govt. of the day of reckless spending/encourageing credit & I quote;

THIS IS A BOOM BASED ON DEBT' November 1988-(house of commons)

He went on to create a 'boom based on debt'- the 'growth' of the last several yrs has been an illusion as it is fuelled by EXCESSIVE debt and now will disapear ,in place will be pain aplenty for taxpayers young & old, the not so rich & the poor and super poor will suffer

the 'excesses' will be paid for by the the victims of such policy, i.e. the innocents being punished!
The Banks and Brown
[info]fred63 wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 11:49 am (UTC)
Is Lamont's word to be believed ? After Black Wednesday, Major revealed that he and Lamont ' did not know what we were doing '. When it comes to historical memory, both journalists and Joe Public develop a pack mentality and love to blame anyone but themselves. Who has not enjoyed the years of expansion, rising property values and easy credit ? Everyone.
Re: The Banks and Brown
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 12:06 pm (UTC)
I know that "everyone" is a typo but since you mean no-one, kindly leave me out. I have been aware (as have others) for decades, that systematic destruction of Britain's ability to earn a living in the world other than as global focus of money laundering, racketeering and organised economic crime, was sooner or later going run into a granite wall.

Evidently, since I/we were aware of it, then those in high office (unless you wish to argue that they and all of their expensive "intellogfence" resources are very stupid indeed) were also aware of what they were doing. I call it subversion of the most serious kind.
Re: The Banks and Brown - [info]indpenden_mind - Sunday, 15 February 2009 at 03:30 pm (UTC) Expand
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