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BNP gains 'damaging UK's reputation'

By Pat Hurst and Alistair Keely, Press Association

British National Party leader Nick Griffin celebrates his election as one of eight MEPs for the North West of England

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British National Party leader Nick Griffin celebrates his election as one of eight MEPs for the North West of England

The UK's international reputation has suffered "real damage" as a result of the British National Party gaining their first seats in the European Parliament, politicians, unions and race relations groups said today.

Labour MEP for London Claude Moraes said that a threshold had been crossed after the far-right party won two seats yesterday.

Speaking at a Unite Against Fascism press conference in Westminster, Mr Moraes also acknowledged that the BNP had "jumped upon" Gordon Brown's slogan "British jobs for British workers" during the election.

BNP leader Nick Griffin picked up the seat in the North West of England region and Andrew Brons won a seat in the Yorkshire and Humber region.

Mr Moraes said: "There is real damage here to Britain because we have never elected fascists in a national election.

"Fascists in the European Parliament where I sit have long wanted members from Britain to join this transnational group so for those reasons there is deep concern that we have now crossed that threshold.

"There was a long period in which we could have said neo fascists would not be elected in Britain to represent us in an international parliament."

He said that many people would today be viewing Britain as a "nastier" place than they had prior to yesterday's election.

Mr Moraes said Labour had suffered as a consequence of the expenses scandal but acknowledged the BNP had manipulated Gordon Brown's British jobs slogan.

He explained: "That phrase was jumped upon by the BNP, they are trying increasingly to look at what mainstream politicians say to embarrass the politicians as a way of getting support."

The BNP wins came as the party appeared to attract significant numbers of disaffected Labour voters.

Frances O'Grady, TUC deputy general secretary, told the press conference the election results had to be viewed as a breakthrough for the BNP.

But she argued that in many parts of the UK the far-right party had been beaten.

She said: "It seems we are living in very strange times, we are commemorating the D-Day landings on Saturday and electing fascists on Sunday."

She added: "The BNP are not a normal democratic party, they are a fascist party with no place in British democratic life."

Mr Griffin said that his party winning two seats would herald a "huge change in British politics".

Speaking yesterday, he said: "The most demonised and lied about party in British politics has made a massive breakthrough. The public have had their say in a democratic election and we should respect that."

But Lee Jasper, from the National Assembly Against Racism, said the election posed a huge threat to the black community.

He explained: "It's a critical moment. We are suffering a national crisis in confidence in race relations."

Urging mainstream political parties to come together to fight the BNP, he said: "We must ensure this is not used as a platform or springboard for the next General Election.

"The election of the BNP is a massive threat to the black community nationwide."

Sabby Dhalu, from Unite Against Fascism, warns that whenever the BNP were voted in racist attacks increased in those areas.

She added: "The BNP stands for virtually every form of hatred you can think of."

Peter Hain, the newly-appointed Welsh Secretary, released a statement via United Against Fascism which read: "It's a shameful stain on Britain that we now have racists and fascists representing our country.

"It is vital that everyone now isolates and confronts the BNP and works with United Against Fascism to defeat them."

Former London mayor Ken Livingstone released a statement which read: "The economic crisis and abuse of MPs' expenses have provided fertile ground for the extreme right.

"It is no surprise in these circumstances to see an electoral breakthrough for the BNP, a fascist party in Britain.

"The BNP claims to be a normal political party. In fact, they are 21st century Nazis. As in the 1930s, they exploit people's anxieties in an economic crisis to scapegoat minorities and ultimately threaten all our democratic freedoms."

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Patronising
[info]edjzet wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 07:09 am (UTC)
Some people never get it, I presume.

I'm not a BNP voter but I almost wish I had. The sheer arrogance and the patronising way
with which these Labour patricians tell the voters that they have done it wrong, is simply
breathtaking.

Perhaps they should take a good look in the mirror and ask: what have you done wrong?
British Taliban and Mullah Nick Griffin !
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:49 am (UTC)
Congratulations to the British Taliban (BNP) and Mullah Nick Grffin on your first European victory.

The BNP can now start dusting the version of the BNP Shariah Law.

Long Live "Mullah Nick Griffin" !!
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Re: Patronising - [info]austincambridge - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 12:28 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Patronising - [info]sportingmac - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 03:50 pm (UTC) Expand
as a warning shot from Real Labour heartland
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 07:30 am (UTC)
to the quisling bloodstained blatcherist petty crook vermin recently shaken out of the tree.
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/06/bnp-wins-second-euro-seat-with-nick-griffin-victory-in-north-west/
[info]0pi0 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 07:31 am (UTC)
Doesn't it worry Labour that even if it gets its errant voters back so many of them have it in them to vote BNP. Of course Labour itself has offered a racialized, divisive outlook, tending to see colour-coded blocs rather than an electorate of individuals (hence its tolerance of the much mentioned Black Police Officers' Asscn, and suchlike).
[info]austincambridge wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 12:35 pm (UTC)
My local labour party (Burnt Oak, NW London) operated an informal colour bar at its social club until the 1970s.
(no subject) - [info]paul999 - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:58 pm (UTC) Expand
IT IS ALL LABOURS FAULT
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 07:33 am (UTC)
The British people have been demanding curbs on immigration for YEARS and have been treated by contempt by both the labour party and their left-leaning followers. Good British citizens have been accused of racism when they have raised quite legitimate concerns about the unfettered levels of immigration into our country. This tactic has been VERY effective in stifling debate about immigration in the UK. But not any more. People can see with their own eyes the consequences of the sheer numbers of immigrants being allowed into our country on a daily basis. Many of these immigrants are:

i) UNHEALTHY because they have no health service to speak of in their home countries and therefore present a massive burden on public health services. Immigrants are IMMEDIATELY allowed the same level of medical treatment as UK citizens - without having paid a penny in taxes. In New Zealand Canada and Australia prospective immigrants have to take a very stringent medical which includes a HIV test. Any member of the family that does not pass this medical is refused residence. The philosophy here is they would pose too high a burden on medical services. And also why would you have an unhealthy immigrant when you could have a healthy one! The UK does not ask for ANY (yes, ANY!) medical exam - it does not even require an HIV test. It is also interesting to note that immigration activists have successfully demanded that all HIV-positive immigrants be given the same standard of medical treatment as UK citizens.

ii) UNSKILLED and require support by social services. Again, New Zealand Canada and Australia only allow immigrants who are skilled and who fit within certain skills categories. Most immigrants have to have a degree.

iii) VERY POOR and require social housing - in the past immigrants who had been in the country months were places at the top of the housing queue, ahead of UK citizens who had been waiting for YEARS. This fact is often (brazenly) denies by trendy-lefties.

iv) HABOURING RELIGIOUS BELIEFS WHICH ARE STRAIGHT OUR OF THE MIDDLE AGES - including immigration due to so-called 'arranged marriages'.

Labour's irresponsible (some would say treacherous) immigration policy has changed the very character of the UK - you only have to walk down any street to see evidence of that. Labour has become so politically correct that it does not even deport FAILED asylum-seekers. How contemptible of the British people is THAT!

Labour has brazenly refused to set any targets for immigration - even when the economic situation demands it. Look at the the response of Australia to the current financial crisis. It has cut its immigration intake by a significant amount because it places the rights of its people - its citizens above any PROSPECTIVE immigrant - that is just a fair and common-sense approach. Remember, Australia does not accept ANY unskilled migrants so one can appreciate the massive extra burden imposed by continuing unfettered immigration in the UK by people I have listed above.

For too long trendy lefties, in their houses in Hampstead and Islington, have stiffled all debate about immigration by labeling people as "racists" who dare to question it. This might have worked very effectively 10 or 20 years ago but people have become aware of this disgraceful strategy and it will no longer work. Trendy lefties are partly responsible for the failure of entire immigrant communities (more noticeably the Muslim community) to integrate into our society. Trendy lefties, for example, led Hate campaigns against any person who dared to criticize the wasteful practices of councils in printing information leaflets in all known languages under the sun. Now we are paying the price for this. Just look at the treatment of British soldiers returning from battle in Afghanistan by SOME Muslims - they were abused and screamed at when they paraded down the street in what should have been a celebration of their contribution.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The reason why the BNP have gained such inroads is because of these things. We MUST have a sensible immigration policy where only those who can contribute can have residency.
Wake up call !
[info]mike_spain wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:21 am (UTC)
There's not much to add here as it encompasses pretty much everything that has happened under Labour. These events did not happen by accident by Labours mistaken policies, they were a deliberate policy designed as some sick game by Labours liberals not affected by their actions. Labour ministers led the way by passing the legislation and their petty minded supporters placed in quangos and councils carried out their orders. Brown has destroyed the economy of the country whilst the Labour minions in cabinet have dismantled the very structure of our society and morals. There is no work ethic amongst Labours sink estates, teenage girls are now more dangerous than the boys and the levels of teenage pregnancy, binge drinking and sexually transmitted diseases are the highest in Europe thanks to the no discipline culture of Labour ministers. The BNP deserve their win if nothing else than to shake the Tories up a little and seriously address issues like immigration.
Re: IT IS ALL LABOURS FAULT - [info]trojan_horace - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:34 am (UTC) Expand
Re: IT IS ALL LABOURS FAULT - [info]colinru - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 07:52 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: IT IS ALL LABOURS FAULT - [info]ltlwing64 - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 06:54 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: IT IS ALL LABOURS FAULT - [info]richardm30 - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:36 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: IT IS ALL LABOURS FAULT - [info]ltlwing64 - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:53 pm (UTC) Expand
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[info]mykleboon wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 07:34 am (UTC)
"The wins came as the party appeared to attract significant numbers of disaffected Labour voters"

Precisely! The BNP has always taken the lion's share of its votes from people who would otherwise have voted Labour. The best cure is a Tory government! With a Tory government they can blame the Tories for their ills and vote Labour. With a Labour government, they have to vote for something even more extreme on the left wing of economic policy.
Read the results
[info]larkspur_14 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 07:46 am (UTC)
Core labour voters stayed at home. Whatever racists and louts and thugs voted for the fascists, don't assume they were working class supporters of labour.
Re: Read the results
[info]digitaldaz wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:09 am (UTC)
Well between them for those two seats, nearly a quarter of a million of your so called "louts, thugs and facists" voted BNP :)
Re: Read the results - [info]tashan91 - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 06:43 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Read the results - [info]colinru - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:03 pm (UTC) Expand
does democracy exist in the UK?
[info]vauban33 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:04 am (UTC)
Seeing what has happened to the UK over the past 50 years, and the fact that whether it is true or not, many British people feel like second class citizens in their own country, the votes cast for the BNP would seem be a reaction against the present political system, which has not exactly covered itself with glory recently. One wonders if our fathers, who stormed the beaches of Normandy all those years ago, presumably hoping their sacriifice would benefit us, would have gone if they could have seen the wasted results of their endeavours? I speak as a person whose father was in the first wave on Juno Beach.
Re: does democracy exist in the UK?
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:38 am (UTC)
Good point! I wonder what you dad and his mates would have thought to see British servicemen who have bravely fought for us in Afghanistan abused and spat on by Muslims when they paraded through the streets. I, like many British people were sickened to the core by this act. We are in danger or replacing one NAZI regime with a new theocratic NAZI regime called Islam.
Re: does democracy exist in the UK? - [info]sodoc - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 01:55 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: does democracy exist in the UK? - [info]vauban33 - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 07:27 am (UTC) Expand
some friendly advice to the leftwing...
[info]darryn87 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:08 am (UTC)
if you leftists want to ensure that the BNP make no further advances into the political mainstream, please take some badly needed advice....firstly, stop the institutional racism against anything and everything indigenous to britain. ask yourself, what is not racist about saying that the bbc is "hideously white" and the lake district is "too white" in a country indigenous to white people? what would it sound like if a white person living in kenya said that nation was "hideously black!" there'd be an uproar. racial quotas. is it really fair to be giving african and asian people racial quotas? to "positively discriminate" against ethnic british people in favour of an african or asian person who MADE HIMSELF an immigrant minority when, of his own free will, he decided to immigrate to a nation that perhaps never wanted him living there to begin with? no matter how politically incorrect that might be. dealing with islamic extremism. why do leftists stay silent about islamic fanatics? why whine about white fascists but do and say nothing about sharia law and islamic violence and honor killings? why is it fine for muslims to have a sense of honor with their culture and identity but not ethnic british people? and finally, the americanization of britain. there is an element of the british left heavily influenced by the american far-left. which is deeply anti-white, and in britain this means anti- ethnic british, because no matter how much the far-left tries, one cannot separate ethnic british identity from the physical appearence with which it belongs. so for gods sake, stop the americanization and anti-white nature of politics in the liberal left. the only people who benefit are you know who.
Re: some friendly advice to the leftwing...
[info]jackkrak wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 06:19 pm (UTC)
I'm with you 100% on the points you make until you get to the 'americanization' bit. As an American righty myself, I certainly agree that our lefties share many of the same traits as your Labour supporters when it comes to identity politics, race-based policies and openly racial appeals to voters. However, instead of describing this affinity as 'americanization' I think it would be more accurately described as 'Democrat-ization'..... Maybe splitting hairs, but still.....
Re: some friendly advice to the leftwing... - [info]colinru - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:06 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]bob_irving99 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:13 am (UTC)
And this is, presumably, the beginnings of an extreme right-wing government who will take advantage of all the repressive legislation put in place for the "war on terror"....
the beginnings of an extreme right-wing government??
[info]arkybarky wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:50 am (UTC)
Steady chaps. The BNP has, so far as I can calculate it, two MEPs, three County Councillors, and one member of the GLC. They also have a small number of lesser councillors but do not run any council anywhere.

Whilst these figures are mildly embarrasing they hardly constitute the March on Rome!

Given the calibre of those elected, it won't be too long before they make fools of themselves - see the pitiful antics of Barnbrook in London for a striking example.

Anyone like to bet on how many MPs they will get come the General Election?

Thought not!
BNP .. it's a sad day
[info]engchina wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:28 am (UTC)
Don't we ever learn from history that hate creates scapegoats which inevitably ends in bloodshed.
Re: BNP .. it's a sad day
[info]sportingmac wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 03:47 pm (UTC)
..what you should have said the unless 'pent up anger' has an escape then people will use the only weapon available to them - the vote. I don't think those that voted BNP 'hate' - they just used 'anger votes.

We should indeed learn from history - what caused the war then?
Re: BNP .. it's a warning shot - [info]cronyblatcher - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 05:18 pm (UTC) Expand
"deeply uncomfortable"
[info]isaacbrown wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
So, Andy Burnham feels "deeply uncomfortable" about the BNP success - good. And judging by the other daft comments from the likes of Tony Lloyd, Paul Kenny and Richard Leese, I trust there will be many more of these traitors made to feel not just uncomfortable but ashamed of their behaviour in helping to destroy our - the indigenous British people's - sense of culture, identity, security and democracy. When the communist mob tried to prevent Nick Griffin entering the count last night they were showing just what a mess this country is in, just how the communists and marxists have the people of this land by their throats. Well not any more. Let's hope the BNP gradually lead our people out of the darkness and into a better future, and the likes of Tony Lloyd, Paul Kenny, Richard Leese, Peter Hain, Denis Macshane and those losers in the Searchlight/Daily Mirror mob routed. Some would like to see them hanging from lamp posts but I prefer the option of seeing them out of work, their livelyhoods destroyed and the wages stopped. After all, that's what they conspire to do to BNP members. Time for the pendulum to swing back.
Re: "deeply uncomfortable"
[info]wellington1815 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:56 am (UTC)
Very Well said Issac.Watching the BBC coverage last night was a disgrace to broadcasting.I feel so strongly that all BNP supporters should consider a campaign to refuse payment of TV tax for BBC(they are quite happy to take `vlie racists`money).I would be quite happy with their standpoint provided they agreed to refund all BNP voters fees.They would not dare to do this as they would find that several more million would be voting BNP.Another disgraceful aspect was not only the continual grumping of the so called TV presenter at any mention of the BNP,but also that NONE of the assembled `approved` condemned the actions of the Marxist thugs outside Manchester City Hall.You can imagine the out pourings if It had been a BNP mob attacking say Gordon Browns car.It seems that violence by red flag carrying supporters of mass murderers is ok provived they are of the approved kind.Well done Nick Griffin in sending these `useful idiots` as Stalin called them,packing by having the last laugh.While you go into Europe some of these people can go away and maybe start growing up.In a few years I bet a good few of them will be voting BNP themselves.
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New Labour and the Tories have promoted racism
[info]old_green wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:35 am (UTC)
Let's not ignore the stance that the main parties have taken, both in terms of ignoring working-class grievances and targeting immigrants and immigration, to promote racism.
BNP Vitory - Good News!
[info]marcoscu wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:37 am (UTC)
This is a real blow against the self-serving fat cat politicians and their media pals who run our lives. People are fed up with corruption, sleaze, street crime, mass third world immigration, the welfare of criminals being put before that of their victims, having every aspect of their lives monitored and spied upon by bureaucrats. Enough is enough.
The disenfranchised
[info]francetta wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:42 am (UTC)
This is what happens when disenfranchised people who live on the margins, are continually ignored; poor quality of life, uneducated, and altogether classed as an 'underclass'. For evidence of this, see the likes of the J kyle show.
My guess is this is where the BNP votes lay.
Re: The disenfranchised
[info]tim_hinchliffe wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:25 pm (UTC)
Nice try, but 'disenfranchised people who live on the margins' don't vote. Must've been some other idiots.
Tony Lloyd needs to hang his head in shame
[info]rickraider wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:07 am (UTC)
The socialists have used and abused British tolerance against the indigenous population of this land. Lloyd is an arrogant puffed up wind bag that refuses to see his and his colleagues part in creating the BNP's success. They have taken the British people for granted, bullied them with shouts of racism whenever people legitimately question mass immigration, so that they can continue their social engineering project they call multiculturalism. It is people like Tony Lloyd that make me feel ashamed as he and his party have dragged this country down in nearly every respect. When he says he is ashamed of those who voted for the BNP he is again ignoring the issue with staggering arrogance, for it is traditional Labour supporters that are moving over to the BNP because they feel ignored and let down by the likes of Lloyd. When Labour politicians also start quoting the D Day landings and what those men would have thought about the BNP I think he is missing the point. Did our fathers and grandfathers die in Normandy so Labour can take away our culture, our way of life and give our country over to ethnic minorities some of which would love nothing better than to blow us up.
What kind of unfair and monstrous Britain have Labour created where they have used the tolerance of a people against them so that they feel totally discriminated against? Lloyd I feel ashamed of you and your nasty party.
Re: Tony Lloyd needs to hang his head in shame
[info]singingbird85 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 05:07 pm (UTC)
Nicely said.
Re: Tony Lloyd needs to hang his head in shame - [info]colinru - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:18 pm (UTC) Expand
richardm30
[info]isaacbrown wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:14 am (UTC)
richardm30: re hiv and immigrants - about 25 years ago when aids appeared, there was worry that immigrants were bringing it into the UK. A medical professional in the government recommended testing on entry, but was told it was too expensive to test all. As it was known then that the vast majority of aids carriers were from black Africa, the logic of testing just black African immigrants was suggested but immediately rejected because it was "discriminatory"! So no one was tested and we were all put at risk because of political correctness! Pathetic!!
Re: richardm30
[info]philipshahak wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 11:12 am (UTC)
The Nazis said the same aboyt the Jews, i.e. bringing disease.
Re: richardm30 - [info]colinru - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:20 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: richardm30 - [info]isaacbrown - Wednesday, 10 June 2009 at 06:19 am (UTC) Expand
Multiculturalism/integration
[info]0pi0 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:19 am (UTC)
On the one hand: voters who are fed up with the volume of immigration in recent years and would much prefer the government a) to reduce it significantly; and b) to pursue policies that promote integration over `multiculturalism'. Labour has done nothing at all to deserve such voters' support.

On the other hand: racist ideologues (of all hues) who actually secretly prefer `multicultural' policies to policies that promote integration because the former* help to maintain `racial purity' (`race' being for such people pretty much interchangeable with culture). There are plenty in the BNP (and in their - just as malignant and extremist - black, etc, racially separate counterparts) who fear integration over everything and actually thrive on `multiculturalism' as it is their oxygen. Labour has played straight into those people's hands.

*In the inner world of their ideology, not in the real world where mixed relationships are more common than ever.
Multicultural society is an oxymoron becayuse perceptions of reality are culturally *saturated*
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 05:22 pm (UTC)
Public spending to promote oxymoronic multicultural society had as its aim a fractured ("broken") society the population of which are too busy bitching among themselves to focus on their parasites

Two BNP MEPs are two warning shots from Real Labour heartland across the bows of all self-serving anti-social Blatcherist vermin still being shaken out of the tree
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/06/bnp-wins-second-euro-seat-with-nick-griffin-victory-in-north-west/
Re: Multiculturalism/integration - [info]colinru - Monday, 8 June 2009 at 08:22 pm (UTC) Expand
BNP results
[info]tedthedog wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:28 am (UTC)
Well said wellington1815. The coverage of the EU election results was a far bigger disgrace than the election of two BNP EU members.
It seems to me that all the lies are coming from the mainstream parties and the political commentators - they all resolutely turn their backs on the issue of immigration. They seem all seem to afraid of the howls of 'racism' whenever immigration is mentioned.
We are geographically a small country and we are already overpopulated. In other words we are FULL, to quote the Netherlands politician vis a vis his own country. Healthcare, education, housing are all clearly overstretched....if anyone denies that this is not directly linked to mass immigration then they are simply lying - ah, the lingua franca of our politicians.
We have a tradition of not holding referenda. This is not a true tradition - it is a political straitjacket which denies the population any say in many policy areas.
I really hope the two new BNP members can shake some sense into the self serving clique in Brussels. Good luck to them.
wellington1815
[info]isaacbrown wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:41 am (UTC)
wellington1815 - I saw the BBC coverage too. The best bit was right at the end (2am) when there was a glorious Ceausescu moment (ie like the look on the face of that communist dictator just before he was executed) when all of the reasonableness, fairness, equality, liberality etc fell away from the faces of the "experts", showing their true nature: Danny Finkestein "came out" as a "jewish" journalist (as if we didn't already know), the Toynbee hag from The Guardian suddenly started speaking in tongues, frantically gabbling the Searchlight line of "vote for anyone but the BNP"), another one said Nick Griffin "was bad" and moaned about all that lovely taxpayers' lolly flowing into the BNP coffers - and yes, not a single one of those bastards even mildly rebuked the mob outside Manchester town Hall. Did you also notice that whilst Vine (Wein?) was explaining how the voting system worked, he couldn't get the word "BNP" to come out of his mouth as an illustration!! Let's have more Ceausescu moments.
Left or right it's all the same
[info]voiceofnoreason wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 09:58 am (UTC)
As is the case with any extreme political system (left or right) throughout history that demonizes the outsider, or 'other', when they get into power and quickly realise that it's not quite as simple as they thought, who then do they turn on? It's always the populace, then each other. They've only got two seats and they're already barking about 'traitors'. Exciting times ahead.
the elephant in the room
[info]londontoleeds wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 10:15 am (UTC)
I am feeling very frustrated by the lack of understanding of the problems in south and west yorkshire. It is the most delicate subject. It is a no no for any decent person to talk about it - in the meantime many white working class people have been ignored and now find they have no spokesperson or interest except from the BNP. The elephant in the room is the sense of exclusive cultural dominance in many areas by the Muslim community. A community that has been prioritised, backed and supported by the Left over the past couple of decades. ALL FOR JOLLY GOOD REASONS We all thought this multiculturalism was about inclusion - much money spent on translations of every matter into many languages as possible etc - grants for anything Asian was positively encouraged. - but who was looking after the white working class of the area? Where was the input? The sports halls? fairs, galas for them? dog shows, football, youth clubs, - perhaps anything. The church no longer has the community influenc it had - anywhere. The Asian community has the support of their religious community leaders, their extended close family networks -all excluding the indiginous population.
I feel sad that we are labelling them racists when all they are doing is what everyone does, protect their own, defend their rights. The middle class just move out and tut tut at those left to cope, their towns and communities changed beyond recognition and feeling excluded and without a reasonable voice, not heard. It is desperately unfair.
I don't have an answer - but to talk as Nick Clegg did this morning that the BNP increase was about immigration from east europeans and thoroughly understanding of that (thereby avoiding race) is just mealy mouthed. No one wants to pick up this one. Except the BNP of course who have found a gap so wide it is a stroll in the park. It will remain the elephant in the room. In the meantime there is more alienation by the demonisation of the white working class indigenous residents as racists. It is very sad and cowardly.
New Labour fools
[info]thirdman01 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 10:19 am (UTC)
OK you New Labour dummies. Like stated already, it is your failed multiculturalism, mass immigration policies of unskilled labour and outsourcing of jobs in the name of globalisation that concerns the public. The public expects policies of integration not your policies of multicultural separatism. You should have allowed the public a debate on immigration instead of claiming this is racist. Get it right you New Labour dummies. The public are not racist but they are concerned. Did the boos Brown got at the D-Day event by veterans say nothing? They fought for the democracy that New Labour deny us with the none elected PM and Mandelson running the Bunker and the likes of Alan Sugar who was never elected.

These Cabinet appointments to plug the resignation holes in the sinking ship are not a change is policy or style. They are merely Bunker survival tactics.

Why was Khan appointed Transport Secretary?

Khans only qualifications seem to be that his father was a bus driver? Ordered to repay 500 pound for putting the New Labour red rose on public leaflets in Tooting. Khan the most senior Muslim MP for Tooting is opposed to US policy on Pakistan and blames US policy for causing problems in Britain? Brown supports US policy. Could it not be that Khan is appointed to maintain the ethnic minority vote who are now the last remaining New Labour core voters. New Labour know that the immigrant vote goes to them.

Alan Johnson the new Home Secretary? He is not likely to protect our boarders from lorries arriving at Dover. It is a political game for Alan.

The traditional working class vote have abandoned New Labour. Take Wales. The Tories beat New labour in Wales. One would have thought this impossible? The SNP are wiping New Labour off the Scottish map. Brown will lose his very own Scottish seat if he calls an election.

New Labour are history.
Re: New Labour fools
[info]tibtib123 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 10:27 am (UTC)
I guess the biggest concern is the fat that the labour vote seems to have been taken?!
It gets better
[info]isaacbrown wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 10:31 am (UTC)
It gets better - on last night's BBC coverage, Dimbleby said that he "would like to go over to the count and hear the newly elected BNP MEP give his speech" - adding that when he said "he would like" he only meant "technically" ie if it were possible, not the HE would "LIKE" (ie gain pleasure) to hear it! What's wrong with these people? I reckon they are in a state of denial - it makes people behave in a strange way. Nobel prize winning author Alexander Sohzhenytsyn said "If decade after decade the truth cannot be told, people's mind start to wander irretrievably, and talking to your fellow man is like talking to martians". That's the answer. I surprise they don't all come out in spots, psoriasi or other psychosomatic illness - insanity perhaps?
Re: It gets better
[info]victormc wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 04:58 pm (UTC)
Dimbleby is a typical trendy leftie BBC trained scumbag who should have been fired long ago but you and I pay his wages and no doubt 'expenses' via taxes. I watch him often on QT (I can't help it) and his politics are bent to the left like a hairpin. The BBC are meant to be neutral - he is the biggest joke of the lot of them (and there is plenty of competition)
Labour jUST dON'T gET iT.
[info]chipmem1 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 10:45 am (UTC)

wHATS THE POINT of having the latest gadgets, when your factory has been closed
down and housing has become way out of reach.

Labour is paying the price of putting the money lender ahead of everyone.

Labour is paying theprice for putting the public spending ahead of everyone.

Labour is paying the price of no financial regulation.

We've become a very lope-sided society.
'EU dictatorship'
[info]polstudent wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 10:48 am (UTC)
The EU is NOT a dictatorship, what a ridiculously narrow minded comment. Any claims that the EU is a dictatorship give too much merit to fears that the EU has a democratic deficit. Indirect democracy is a common feature of modern democracies, all governments delegate powers to unelected officials, but that does not mean they aren't democratic and as such, dictatorships.



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