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Has Cameron done a deal with Murdoch?

Lord Mandelson's attack shines spotlight on Tory leader's links with media mogul

By Andy McSmith

Peter Mandelson, Business Secretary: '[The Sun and the Tories] have effectively formed a contract'

AFP

Peter Mandelson, Business Secretary: '[The Sun and the Tories] have effectively formed a contract'

David Cameron has been accused of making a "contract" with Britain's biggest media company to trade political support before an election for government favours afterwards if the Tories win.

The accusation was levelled yesterday by the Business Secretary Peter Mandelson, who is increasingly the public face of Gordon Brown's government. Ministers are angry at the campaign that The Sun has run against the Prime Minister all this week over the spelling mistakes in a letter Mr Brown sent to the mother of a young soldier killed in Afghanistan.

They suspect that the Conservative Party has been tailoring its policies on media regulation and the BBC to suit the commercial interests of News International, which owns The Sun, and that the paper's aggressive support for the Tories is a pay-off that could spread to other parts of the mass media.

Examples of the apparent tie-in between what News International's boss, James Murdoch, wants, and what David Cameron is ready to promise include the recent decision by the Conservatives to abandon the idea of "top slicing" the BBC licence fee. It had been proposed that part of the money paid to the BBC would be siphoned off to help regional television companies meet the threat from the internet. But this would also have helped them compete more effectively against Sky News, which is part of the Murdoch media empire.

When the policy was abandoned in September, Jeremy Hunt, the shadow Culture Secretary, said that it was because enacting it might make the commercial television companies "focus not on attracting viewers but on attracting subsidies". There was no gain for the BBC in the climbdown, because David Cameron had already said that the Tories will freeze the licence fee. What it will mean is that the BBC's income will be capped, without the regional television companies seeing any government help, which will strengthen the market position of Britain's only satellite television company, Sky. "This was done for News International," a Tory insider said yesterday. "Murdoch wants Sky to go head to head with the BBC. He doesn't want the independent companies strengthened."

In April 2008, James Murdoch complained bitterly about the media regulator Ofcom in his first major speech after taking over as chief executive of News Corporation in Europe and Asia. The following year, David Cameron announced that a Conservative government would cut Ofcom down to size.

Last summer James Murdoch attacked the "abysmal record" of the BBC Trust – the body created by Labour to over see the BBC – in a lecture he gave at the Edinburgh Festival, singling out its "total failure" to stop the BBC buying the Lonely Planet travel guides, a takeover that Murdoch denounced as an "egregious" invasion of private enterprise by the state. Less than two months later, Jeremy Hunt promised that the Tories would abolish the Trust.

In the same lecture, Murdoch complained that BBC performers like Jonathan Ross are being paid salaries that "no commercial competitor can afford". He had barely uttered the words before Ed Vaizey, a shadow media minister, promised that a Tory government would compel the BBC to publish the salaries of its top performers.

Lord Mandelson alleged yesterday that the Conservatives and News International had "effectively formed a contract, over the head, incidentally, of the newspaper's editor and their readers, in which they are sort of bound to one another".

Speaking to the BBC's Today programme, he added: "What The Sun can do for the Conservatives during the election is one part of the contract and, presumably, what the Conservatives can do for News International if they are elected is the other side of the bargain. But there is a wider question. When The Sun creates the news in this way, this is then followed up by Sky News, which then puts pressure on the BBC to follow suit."

This was "absolutely, categorically" denied yesterday by The Sun's political editor, Tom Newton Dunn, who accused Lord Mandelson of talking "preposterous nonsense".

The Sun, which supported Labour through three general elections under Tony Blair's leadership, announced that it was jumping ship on the day that Gordon Brown delivered his annual speech to the Labour Party conference in September.

Its onslaught on Gordon Brown for the mistakes made in a handwritten letter to Jacqui Janes is the most aggressive attack that the newspaper has directed at any Labour Party leader since Neil Kinnock stood down after losing the 1992 general election, a defeat for which The Sun claimed victory with the slogan "It was The Sun wot won it".

But there were signs yesterday that the attack may have rebounded on The Sun. Mr Brown, who is blind in one eye, has admitted that his handwriting is bad and has apologised to Mrs Janes, whose 20-year-old son, Jamie, was killed by a makeshift bomb in Afghanistan last month.

A poll yesterday for the website PoliticsHome, whose main shareholder is the Conservative Party deputy chairman Lord Ashcroft, found that 65 per cent of those polled thought that The Sun's attack was "inappropriate" compared with 23 per cent who thought it was "legitimate".

The closeness of the new Tory-Sun axis is shown up by the revelation, from an inside source, that David Cameron personally consulted the editor of The Sun, Dominic Mohan, in three separate conversations before he abandoned his "cast-iron" promise to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, now that all 27 members states of the EU have ratified it.

Mr Cameron was understandably wary of how The Sun might react to the abandonment of that promise. The paper has campaigned for years against what it sees as the growth of an EU superstate. It was in an open letter to readers of The Sun that Cameron first made his guarantee, two years ago.

His announcement that a referendum is off the agenda was subjected to a scathing attack in the Daily Mail, but in The Sun it was given kid-glove treatment under the headline "Cameron's crusade for UK rights".

The person behind this aggressively pro-Tory policy is James Murdoch, not his father, Rupert, who created The Sun virtually from scratch in the 1970s. Rupert Murdoch claimed in an interview with Sky News Australia that he "regretted" his son's decision to turn against Gordon Brown, "who is a friend of mine", but defended it on the grounds that Brown has been a "disappointment".

Yesterday, The Times, another Murdoch newspaper, announced that its veteran political editor, Phil Webster, is leaving the Commons, where he has been based for decades. Mr Webster is very well thought of by New Labour. His replacement, Roland Watson, was a friend of David Cameron's at Eton but has no political ties with the Tories.

Tom Newton Dunn, newly appointed as The Sun's political editor, is another Old Etonian. His father, Bill, used to be a Tory MEP, but defected to the Liberal Democrats in 2000.

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Knee jerk anti Murdochism
[info]tomearl2 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 12:13 am (UTC)
So, if you think that The BBC is a biased, bloated, anti-competitive arrogant dinosaur that inhibits, indeed actively prevents freedom of speech and whose power should be drastically reduced, then that automatically puts you in league with Rupert Murdoch.
Me, I can't stand either of them, although at least Murdoch earns his money.
Re: Knee jerk anti Murdochism
[info]zugzwang41 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 12:40 am (UTC)


Isn't it time you went bed ?
Re: Knee jerk anti Murdochism - [info]kodak321 - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 12:59 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Knee jerk anti Murdochism - [info]angryman9 - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 01:31 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Knee jerk anti Murdochism - [info]kodak321 - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 01:44 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Knee jerk anti Murdochism - [info]kodak321 - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 01:49 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Knee jerk anti Murdochism - [info]kodak321 - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 12:52 am (UTC) Expand
Total hypocricy from Mandleson.
[info]dave1234567890 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 12:38 am (UTC)
It is clear Mandleson and the Labour Party have had their noses put out of joint by the Sun no longer supporting Labour, but they were very happy with Murdoch when he supported Labour at the last 3 elections. I suspect the Sun is only moving with public opinion and can see that this Brown lead Labour government is a busted flush. The more that is heard and seen of Mandleson the greater will be Labour's defeat. I would suspect he is one of the most despised politicians of this generation.
Re: Total hypocricy from Mandleson.
[info]zugzwang41 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 12:45 am (UTC)


Un-elected to boot
Re: Total hypocricy from Mandleson. - [info]stewartpa - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 08:45 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Total hypocricy from Mandleson. - [info]ptstroud - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 09:16 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Total hypocricy from Mandleson. - [info]gollymolly44 - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 10:40 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Total hypocricy from Mandleson. - [info]ptstroud - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 11:06 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Total hypocricy from Mandleson. - [info]slaveweknow - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 08:10 pm (UTC) Expand
Pot calling kettle etc
[info]jezburns wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 12:45 am (UTC)
They just don't like it when the shoe's on the other foot. Especially when they've gone to all that trouble tearing down the rules on media ownership and content quality in return for ten years of good press. Has Andrew Grice done some kind of deal with Brown by the way?
Re: Pot calling kettle etc
[info]stewartpa wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 08:47 am (UTC)
Perhaps you would like to substantiate your comments with some facts, or is that too much to ask?
Re: Pot calling kettle etc - [info]jezburns - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 12:44 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Pot calling kettle etc - [info]drewridama - Friday, 13 November 2009 at 10:48 am (UTC) Expand
Another zanu-labour hypocrite con man.
[info]blu_rogers wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 12:55 am (UTC)
Possibly the most corrupt man in government, who has become a multi-millionaire with no way to account for it, has the nerve to accuse others doing dodgy deals...what a joke.

Forget "cash for questions" its now "cash for legislation" with nu-labour and this vile man, who we can't even remove via the ballot box.

PS I really hope the new Tory government smash nu-labour's propaganda machine - the BBC
Re: Another zanu-labour hypocrite con man.
[info]angryman9 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 01:21 am (UTC)
Could not agree more. First class post.
Re: Another zanu-labour hypocrite con man. - [info]stewartpa - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 08:59 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Another zanu-labour hypocrite con man. - [info]fastguyeddie - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 12:11 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Another zanu-labour hypocrite con man. - [info]littleglimmer - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 10:22 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Another zanu-labour hypocrite con man. - [info]blu_rogers - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 11:55 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Another zanu-labour hypocrite con man. - [info]ceej1979 - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 02:42 pm (UTC) Expand
Mandelson is corupt
[info]repton4 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 01:11 am (UTC)
This is the same man who has been thrown out of politcs twice for coruption, who would believe a word this man says, He is that low he could get under a door with a top hat on,
Re: Mandelson is corupt
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 01:30 am (UTC)
Mice can squeeze through a keyhole...rats will pinch excrement via the waste system...the 'Lord' is capable of so much more....
Why does Cameron need Murdoch?
[info]canukgal wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 01:28 am (UTC)
The Cons. and Cameron are in the most advantageous position of any political party since 1997
because of the collapse of NewLabour;'s support all over the country. The trad.Labour voters are deserting
them in droves>>no matter the outcome of Glasgow Ne. which is really not a factor.
If the Cons.cannot win this GE based on their policies in tandem with the public's massive 'disappointment' in Brown without resorting to their dependance on James Murdoch and the Sun's endorsement of them it is baffling to me?
Why does Cameron need the SUN?
I despise Labour for thousands of valid reasons and the BBC is reduced now to a mouth piece for labour
so it's value for me in many aspects is greatly diminished But I am no fan of the Murdoch dynasty
for very personal reasons. [I knew Murdoch's other son Mark Lee which he has never acknowledged]
I also have fears of too much reliance between Parliament and a media mogul who I know only too well
is ruthless classless and has not got Britain's welfare at heart. Cameron is cheapening his approach
to winning and I for one do not know why?
Re: Why does Cameron need Murdoch?
[info]ceej1979 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 02:44 pm (UTC)
Because Cameron's lead is only about 11 points. Which is a majority of 2.

A few dropped poll points and they may not even win at all.

Cameron isn't as arrogant as his voters. He realises he still needs to work hard
Mandelson
[info]angryman9 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 01:29 am (UTC)
This man is a pustule on the body politic, he is a disgrace to british political life.
What about his many dodgy associates? (deripeska et al)
In a country less corrupt than this he would be in Jail.
I sometimes despair of the people of this land, this rotten shower should have ZERO chance of ever being in power again, if we did'nt have such a disgusting electoral system, and were not so dumbed down, Labour would be exsanguinated at the next election.
Our liberty is threatened, the Police are riding roughshod over our ancient rights, these bastards are keeping the DNA of INNOCENT people on their stinking database, and we just sit still for it.
Britons never shall be slaves?
Enough already
Re: Mandelson
[info]pinhut wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 01:54 am (UTC)
Agreed. Mandelson's rise to the top has been a useful means of indexing the cancer infecting the body politic.
the Sun
[info]rossjwarren wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 02:45 am (UTC)
"David Cameron has been accused of making a "contract" with Britain's biggest media company to trade political support before an election for government favours afterwards if the Tories win."

Just nonsense, the Sun's decision to flip was predicted long ago at Conservative home by myself as well as I imagine others. In fact the Sun's interference is considered unfortunate by many in the Cameron camp. The whole notion that this unprincipled little rag, is somehow welcome by the centre-right is laughable. Blair when cap in hand to the Sun trying to curry their favour and got it. We all know full well that meant “privilege” for those Sky reporters, even getting the message first rather than the BBC. As it is the Sun will have to move to the centre if it hopes to influence the coming administration. I bet Mandy is behind this soar grapes nonsence.


So let me get this right
[info]tallbendyman wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 05:39 am (UTC)
It's fine for Blair to get into bed with Murdoch, but not Cameron,

Is that it?

Rather like - Labour cuts GOOD, Tory cuts BAD.

Mandelson is the lowest of the low. Oh - after MacBride.
Power without responsibility
[info]49niner wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 05:49 am (UTC)
As Stanley Baldwin said of Rothermere and Beaverbrook in the 1930s, owners of the Mail and the Express respectively, "power without responsibility, the role of the harlot through the centuries".

If David Cameron has made any sort of deal with the Murdoch organisation he's more of a fool than I took him for. Newspaper moguls, like any self-respecting businessmen, are in it to make a profit. No doubt James Murdoch is betting on the Tories winning this time, and backing winners may sell newspapers.

If "deal" it is both parties are taking a risk with the voters. While the Tories are apparently far ahead in the opinion polls, there's a different tale to tell on the ground. By-elections, local or national are real votes rather than hypothetical ones. The Tories are indeed doing well where you'd expect them to in their heartlands, but elsewhere it's a very mixed picture.

With the rise of the Internet and the gradual and steady rise in the third party vote, next year's election is far from a foregone conclusion. Wise old heads such as Ken Clarke have realised that.

I'm no fan of Murdoch or Cameron. I will cry no tears if both of them end up with egg on their faces next May, "deal or no deal".
MANDLESON IS A CHAMPAGNE SOCIALIST JOBSWORTH.
[info]bgarvie wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 05:50 am (UTC)
Who would believe anything said by Mandleson. He is a discredited and pathetic character used to manipulating propaganda. He is the arch 'spin doctor'. He is a duplicitous and nasty character. The sooner this unelected tosser is disinfranchised the better for UK Ltd.
It is not just The Sun that Tories want
[info]gondorplace wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 06:34 am (UTC)
It appears that it is also the Independent, considering that much of them did not sleep all night posting nonsense on this blog.

If you want to see your future under Murdoch's media, go to Australia. Get a lot of beer before you switch on the magic box, it will help.

UK is BBC. The knowledge and information that comes from BBC feeds the world with the common sense. It certainly helped me to survive the bluntness of Channel 7, ABC, and Channel Nine a while ago. Not to mention the Sky.

I volunteer to pay £60 per months for BBC, if that will save us from the dark media lords.

I would not stain my hands with The Sun - it is unbelievable that it has such a power in this society.
Re: It is not just The Sun that Tories want
[info]johnnynorfolk wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 07:16 am (UTC)
Soon you will be back in the real world.
Re: It is not just The Sun that Tories want - [info]stewartpa - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 08:52 am (UTC) Expand
Re: It is not just The Sun that Tories want - [info]billy_the_kidd - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 10:25 am (UTC) Expand
Re: It is not just The Sun that Tories want - [info]billdavy1949 - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 09:12 am (UTC) Expand
Re: It is not just The Sun that Tories want - [info]fulkehunke - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 11:58 am (UTC) Expand
The Sun
[info]brinksman wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 07:00 am (UTC)
No one reads The Sun. They simply look at the pictures...
www.millarcrime.com
Re: The Sun
[info]humble_sparrow wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 09:11 am (UTC)
One would of thought that having the SUN on one's side would be a perilous disadvantage

To trash a guy over a simple spelling mistake to which we are all guilty is just not real.

Now if Mr.Cameron could just get God on his side he might just win, but Mr Murdoch to my limited knowledge has no association to God. :-)
Balance ?
[info]johnnynorfolk wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 07:12 am (UTC)
Well Labour has the BBC.

Conservatives have News International.


Still favours Labour

Labour are very bad losers. I think what the Sun are now doing should have been done by all the media years ago and that is to put Labour under far more scurtiny. Just like the did with John Majors government.
The medis has bought Labours false promises and still lets them off the hook.
Re: Balance ?
[info]ceej1979 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 02:52 pm (UTC)
Johnny

The issue is that right wing voters state of mind dictates that anyone that doesn't agree with them is wrong. And anyone who promotes this side of the argument is either "insane" or "bias".

It's why you enjoy reading pig headed newspapers that only offer a single opinion on everything. It's why you think The Mail is telling the truth, and the Beeb, offering mutiple opinion is in some way biased.

It's a state of mind. Not the Beebs problem. On any subject, right wing voters shout "conspiracy" if something goes against their beliefs.

It's what makes you vote right. Your fundamental, aggresive belief that things should be a certain way, and that everyone who doesn't think this is an imbecile.

The BBC offers all viewpoints. Black, white, asian, young, old, socialist, tory, liberal. The fact being, you think the boardcasting of the Black, white, asian, young, old, socialist, liberal parts is in some way biased
Re: Balance ? - [info]johnnynorfolk - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 03:06 pm (UTC) Expand
Of course they have done a deal
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 07:23 am (UTC)
...It goes like this. We, the Conservatives, give Auntie a kicking while you, Murdoch, take the handbag with the dosh. Got it?

Meanwhile, another process is taking place...."His replacement, Roland Watson, was a friend of David Cameron's at Eton".....What a surprise!

We seem to be subject to a creeping coup by old Etonians. They are back with a real vengeance.

Geordie Greig at the Evening Standard, Boris Johnson, large chunks of the opposition front bench. It's straight back to the old days a la Alec Douglas Home.
Re: Of course they have done a deal
[info]chouenlai wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 11:22 am (UTC)
@robertclondon
God I hope you are right.
diddums
[info]ubergrump wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 07:41 am (UTC)
Given its far from massive readership would anyone bother to do a deal with The Independent?And to quote Mandelson here, loathed and unelected, shows a total failure of irony.I am sure he would love to head a Ministry of Truth, as well as heading everything else. Like all good scum he keeps rising.
Deals?
[info]pilsden wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 07:52 am (UTC)
I think on the basis of this article I could equally ask have you done a deal with Mandelson.
Madness to assume this man speaks to cause /imply anything other than for his or new Labours gain pinch of salt needed.
THE SYSTEM WORKS THIS WAY
[info]sidsnot wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 07:58 am (UTC)
Rothschilds wants something done. He phones Murdock. Murdock instructs whoever is in power. This will probably be in the future Cameron. That's the system. The democracy sham and the rest of the silly games played out for the mug voter by politicians are just the visible side-show.
Here we go again
[info]barrieredfern wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 08:04 am (UTC)
Nothing new here unfortunately. In the early days of Sky Mrs Thatcher effectively gave the company a major launch pad: ITV companies were taxed heavily while Mr Murdoch's satellite channel got off scot free. The final killer punch to ITV companies and their staff was her lifting of the quality threshold on franchise bids (again something Murdoch never had to face), instead going for the highest bid. Programme budgets and staffing levels were slashed dramatically in order to bid successfully for a new franchise. While other European countries have embraced commercial satellite tv without too much upheaval the situation in the UK has had dire consequences for terrestrial broadcasters and indeed their audiences.

Watch out for a repeat performance - this time possibly allowing the style of extremely biased reporting seen on Murdoch's US Fox News channel. Want an example - got to Youtube and look up Fox and stories on Monsanto or Obama. Once he achieves this objective he will have almost total control of a mass market. Or at least people's minds.
Re: Here we go again
[info]paul999 wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 09:21 am (UTC)
Good post - another great youtube is 'orielly amsterdam' to see fact free Fox reporting on that lovely city.
If only God the gift had 'gae us...
[info]junkkmale wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 09:12 am (UTC)
It's almost Xmas, so I am inundated with gizmo ads saying 'Could this be the biggest...' as the saddest form of trying to claim something you'd like to be true but not actually be held accountable if challenged to prove it.

"Have all major media made a pact with the devil that is their dogmatic political bias, rendering any 'news' value zero?"

D'uh.

These days the various publications and broadcast entities may as well just reprint press releases from their political masters.
Mandleson maybe gone tomorrow… unfortunately the Murdocks are with us for the duration…
[info]hrjohn wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 09:18 am (UTC)
As someone who lives out side the UK the BBC is held in much higher esteem than the Murdocks media empire. The BBC is noted for truth and quality, where as Murdoch media is most noted for is it’s lowbrow biased sensationalism and a political agenda for financial gain… The Murdochs are not British and foreign ownership of any countries media invites itself open to abuse…
Re: Mandleson maybe gone tomorrow… unfortunately the Murdocks are with us for the duration…
[info]slaveweknow wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 08:22 pm (UTC)
sky or BBc both are like Cloud over the land ,cloud will rain where it stop,both are manipulated against uk interest.
license fee
[info]ouldbob wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 10:34 am (UTC)
The licence fee only provides about a tenth or less of the beeb's income, so frankly is irrelevent.
Re: license fee
[info]snotcricket wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 11:27 am (UTC)
The 08/09 total from licence fees was just under £3:5 billion.

A further sum of £265 million is paid by the tax payer through the FO in Grant-Aid for the world service & around £100/110 million income comes from the sale of programmes.

These figures are from the current BBC website & others sites confirm, perhaps you had your BBC hat on when you made this claim, so Mr 10% do try to be accurate after all I've used the BBC's own 08/09 figures.

It should also be noted the whole of commercial TV throughout the UK had an income of approx £2:5 billion the BBC funding allows them decimate regional programming, newspapers, web news indeed almost all parts of the private media faces an uphill fight with the Beeb who does not need to be efficient, does not rely on independent funding it just clicks its fingers & more cash is taken from the wallets of all whether user/viewer or not.

If I want to watch Sky/Virgin I pay if I decide not to use their service I don't pay, seems a reasonable
request however the BBC's draconian style of funding encroaches on my rights it seems so undemocratic a charge the BBC oft uses against others whilst riding roughshod over the rights of those who can easily live without the Beeb.

The problem is I can live without the BBC but it would seem they can't live without my wallet very equitable I'm sure.
Re: license fee - [info]ceej1979 - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 02:49 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: license fee - [info]snotcricket - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 04:14 pm (UTC) Expand
An Old Story
[info]littleglimmer wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 10:47 am (UTC)
Interesting to see that this old story is being used to whip up extreme personal abuse for Peter Mandelson. The characteristic mark of a crazed bigot is the complete lack of balance.

Those of us with more than a short term attention span will remember how Thatcher made the biggest, possibly fatal, degradation in the independence of the press. The Sun was invented under Thatcher and only 'switched' to Labour at the last moment (remember the shock waves of that?) because of the unprecedented level of incompetence and CORRUPTION of the Major Government. Remember the knighthoods dished out to press bosses?

There was no love for Labour by Murdoch's Sun; it would have been commercial suicide to keep backing Major when he suffered the worst defeat in history.

The real chafe here at the root of it all is the Tory extremists who resent the BBC resisting political pressure. Way back in Thatcher's days the BBC was a target because it wouldn't kow-tow to her. Tebbit used to fume and foam at every opportunity. Packs of Tory drones would be queueing up to lodge formal complaints with the BBC. Thatcher used to blame the BBC for not getting her message to the people right. Remember her fury at the BBC for allowing her to be caught out in the Belgrano interview? Along comes Son of Murdoch, showing his greed and stupidity, who wants to knock out the BBC as the bastion of political independence. His eye is on the licence fee and the room to spread the Fox empire.

No wonder that Cameron and Osborne rush to be the harlot's harlot.

What a shame that so many people ignore the facts and simply indulge in hate attacks.
Re: An Old Story
[info]chouenlai wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 11:32 am (UTC)
@littleglimmer
You clearly missed my post of 3 or 4 weeks ago when (as a life long Tory) I freely admitted that Major's Tories were pathetic in the extreme in terms of sleeze. Labour has totally out performed them on this important issue.
The Tories, silly arses even resigned when caught red handed.
If you cannot see and hear well enough to recognise the left wing BBC bias for many years passed, you need medical help.
Re: An Old Story - [info]littleglimmer - Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 06:20 pm (UTC) Expand
Oh Mandy
[info]snotcricket wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 10:54 am (UTC)
Oh Mandy are you speaking from the Labour experience ie when the Sun backed Labour for 10 years or so?

Oh Mandy perhaps? you know of some deal Blair/Labour made with MacMurdoch & in your usual & so oft unfair assumption are trying to ensure when that if shit hits the fan some lands upon Cameron?

Mind you both Blair & Cameron did/do have a mandate from the UK electorate to speak with authority from the elected chamber, what about you, every second minute you seem to have TAKEN yet another shiny new title, etc although you did seem to get your alumni & your aluminum confused, stick to yachting.

Is this your latest attempt to keep Labour in office, don't put your mortgage on it Mandy.

Oh Mandy you came and you took without giving.
Oh Mandy you came and you took a wonderful living.


It is no Secret that Family Murdoch know of the Following ...
[info]amanfrommars wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 11:05 am (UTC)
...... which is, I must admit, somewhat more sophisticated and/or specialised fare than would normally be carried by mainstream news but its Impact is Revolutionary and Game Changing in the New World Order Sense of Things, which is right up the wily ole Fox's street.

[quote]Cutting to the Chase ..... with a Commanding Control Following Leading Pole Positions.
By amanfromMars 1
Posted Thursday 12th November 2009 10:08 GMT

"Boffins develop virtual reality anti-bullying game

Play games, beat bullys. Virtually"

Is there a D Notice news embargo on the Register reporting Spooky Boffinry which is Virtually Beating up Reality, in the Great Game Field which Micro/Macro Manages Human Perception for Predominant Business Advantage and Lots of Money, Darling?

The Alien Sorties and Solo Skirmishes/Deep Cloud Covered Enlightening Engagements in ITs Live Operational Virtual Environments are Truly Breathtaking. ...... and XXXXStreamly Provocative Edutainment, which is Exciting and Controversially Educational.

And how very convenient that we are apparently Going to be Gifted with Lord Mandelson to Elaborate on QuITe Simply Complex and Sensitive Matters of Government Business Information ..... http://tinyurl.com/HandyMandy

Blighty Boffinry Leads by a Country Mile with ITs Magical Mystery Turing Bombe Research and Development of IntelAIgently Designed Entities into Servering AIReality Specialities ..... Services which are Truly Global Treats for DFeating Opposition and Dumb Stupid Destructive Competition.

http://theregister.co.uk/2009/11/12/virtual_reality_bullying/comments [/quote]

And when Mandy says nothing about IT, do you know that Labour are out of the Power and Control Loop completely.

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