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Labour vs the Conservatives: Spending cuts - the truth

As Gordon Brown and David Cameron argue over spending plans, Jane Merrick and Brian Brady examine the fine print and deliver their verdicts

Gordon Brown and David Cameron traded blows for a third week running on who is telling the truth over public spending. The Prime Minister claims the Tory leader is planning deep cuts, while Mr Cameron says Mr Brown is in denial about the state of the economy. Both parties still have to put manifestos to the electorate, but how are they going to pay for it all? And where will the cuts have to fall?

SPENDING

Mr Brown said in the Commons last month that total public spending will rise from £621bn this year to £672bn next, rising to £758bn in 2014. But Mr Cameron said once inflation is taken into account, spending will be cut in real terms by 0.3 per cent from 2011 onwards.

The Tories claim that Labour's own Budget suggests 7 per cent cuts across all departments, equal to £26bn, once rising debt interest and benefit spending are taken into account. If health were protected from cuts, all other departments would see their spending cut by 10 per cent over three years. If education is also protected, this would leave other departments facing 13.5 per cent cuts. Labour has responded by saying the Tories plan savage cuts to frontline services including childcare centres and schools. The Tories will establish an Office for Budget Responsibility and give extra powers to the Bank of England, while Labour plans to strengthen the Financial Services Authority.

Verdict The Institute for Fiscal Studies has confirmed Tory interpretations of the scale of the cuts ahead. Critics say this exposes Conservative understanding of the cuts that will b necessary. Mr Brown last week admitted that there would be cuts in certain areas, and that future spending increases depended on growth. In truth, both Labour and the Tories will have no choice but to make significant cuts across the board.

TAX

The Conservatives plan to increase the inheritance tax threshold to £1m, at an estimated cost of £1.3bn. They also plan to scrap stamp duty for first-time buyers on homes up to £250,000 at a cost of £400m, and introduce a £25,000 levy on "non-doms" which would raise £2.8bn.

There will be tax breaks for married couples, paid by increased green taxes. The Tories will also scrap tax on savings for basic rate taxpayers and increase the personal allowance for over-65s.

Labour has already announced a new 50 per cent top rate of tax for £150,000 earners from next April. The Tories say they cannot promise to reverse this because tax rises will be "difficult to avoid". It emerged yesterday that Labour also plans a hike in national insurance to pay for long-term care.

Verdict There is a question mark over how much the non-dom levy would raise. Meanwhile, Tory plans to reduce taxes would cost £4.1bn, which they plan to recoup with £5bn worth of spending cuts. The green taxes remain uncosted. Both parties are increasingly realistic about tax rises ahead, even on top of spending cuts.

HEALTH

Labour plans to pay for cancer sufferers to be treated by private specialists if they cannot see a specialist within two weeks as part of new "entitlements" for patients. The target for seeing a specialist within 18 weeks of GP referral will be a statutory "entitlement", as will free health MOTs for over-40s.

The Conservatives are committed to real-terms growth in the NHS budget. They want to establish an independent board to end political "interference" in the NHS, scrap Whitehall targets and stop the closure of A&E wards and maternity units, while GP surgeries would have control over opening hours. NHS foundation hospitals will be able to borrow from the private sector, secured against buildings and land. Labour says the Tories are making "limitless spending commitments" on health with no idea how to fund them.

Verdict Steve Bundred of the Audit Commission said last week that health and education should no longer be sacred, and both parties will be forced to take the controversial decision to make cuts to parts of the NHS budget if they are to deliver all of these policies. The Labour pledge on cancer treatment will benefit a relatively small number. The Tory plan for foundation hospitals to mortgage assets could add to public-sector borrowing.

EDUCATION

Labour plans to increase investment in schools, but also hopes to locate £650m of efficiency savings as the budget tightens.

Last week's education White Paper included plans to license teachers every four years, a recruitment drive for 100,000 personal tutors for children falling behind, £1,000 fines for parents of unruly children and report cards for schools, with truancy rates, discipline records and results.

There will be a "September guarantee" for a place at school, and college or training for every 16-year-old and over. Both parties plan to increase university tuition fees.

The Conservatives want to introduce Swedish-style reforms to allow parents and charities to open schools with state cash, funded by savings of £4.5bn over nine years from the £55bn budget for Building Schools for the Future. They also plan for money to follow disadvantaged pupils through the system, and to reform teacher training by requiring PGCE trainees to have a 2:2 degree or higher.

The children's database Contactpoint would be scrapped.

The Tories initially said they would match education spending to the Government's plans, but last week George Osborne refused to guarantee that schools and Labour's Sure Start programme would be protected.

Verdict Labour claims the Tories are planning "deep, wide and immediate cuts" to schools and Sure Start – but this could be a shift in funding from Building Schools for the Future to their Swedish model of schooling.

HOME OFFICE

Labour announced last week that compulsory ID cards would be scrapped, that police will hold monthly meetings to tell residents how they are tackling crime, and targets will be scrapped for police forces. Labour will tighten immigration rules but award points for community work. The Conservatives had long planned to scrap ID cards. They favour an annual immigration limit and new jails with 5,000 new places, funded by the sale of old prison buildings.

Verdict The Tories say their prison plan would be fully funded. But there are doubts that scrapping ID cards will raise £5bn – one of the largest cash windfalls that the Tories have earmarked for other areas.

BUSINESS

Labour has already produced an Enterprise Finance Guarantee scheme, designed to make it easier for small businesses to access finance through banks, as well as the car scrappage scheme, while the marginal VAT decrease will continue until at least December. The Tories have pledged a National Loan Guarantee Scheme for businesses to underwrite lending and stimulate credit flow, a six-month VAT holiday for small businesses and tax cuts for employers that take on the unemployed by giving a £2,500 national insurance holiday for each worker.

Verdict Uncertain economic circumstances leave doubts over whether both parties are getting to grips with the large-scale problems that face business and industry in the UK.

DEFENCE

Trident has emerged as an obvious candidate for Labour cuts in the present circumstances, but downgrading the nuclear deterrent before an election is politically unpalatable. More likely is an attempt to shave the £76bn bill through amendments to the number and design of submarines, reducing the £4bn-plus aircraft carriers programme and freezing the order for 88 Eurofighters. The Tories have committed themselves to Trident, and have assured the defence community that they would improve equipment and maintain the size of the forces.

Verdict Defence is unlikely to escape huge Whitehall cuts, but no leader will be brave enough to include reductions in their manifesto. A review of Trident and the shape of the forces will have to wait until after the election.

INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT

Both parties have pledged to maintain spending on international development – and Mr Brown will increase aid spending on agriculture and food security to £1.1bn over the next three years. Labour is on track to meet the UN target of spending 0.7 per cent of gross national income on overseas aid by 2013 and has pledged to meet the Millennium Development Goals. The Tories are also committed to the UN aid target, with a greater focus on transparency of spending and a particular focus on tackling malaria.

Verdict An easy win for party leaders, offering the chance to look virtuous for little outlay. Goals such as the UN aid target are already built into the budget, so a department with a relatively small outlay is unlikely to lose funding under either party in the near future.

WELFARE

Labour plans: £1bn for 150,000 jobs for the under-25s – but people in this age group who are out of work for a year and refuse a job offer, training or work experience will have their benefits stopped. Private companies will be used to get people into work.

Conservative plans: they back the involvement of private firms in getting people off benefits and into work. The savings would fund the £3bn cost of increasing the working tax credit for couples. Public sector pension commitments will be reviewed.

Verdict The massive welfare budget of £165bn needs trimming. Plans to pay private companies to get the unemployed back to work are slow-going in the recession because those firms are cutting back their workforces.

TRANSPORT

Labour plans for a high-speed rail link from Heathrow to the north of England are in the long grass and will be expensive. Future transport budgets have already been hit to pay for last year's fiscal stimulus, including the bringing forward of road-building programmes. Last week's renationalisation of the East Coast mainline will cut into revenue.

The Conservatives plan to scrap the Government's third runway for Heathrow , whatever the contract commitments, which could be risky. They also plan a high-speed rail line between the north and Heathrow, costing nearly £16bn. They say this will be paid for after 2015.

Verdict The transport budget is likely to suffer significantly in the next five years.

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The Truth
[info]pilsden wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:01 am (UTC)
Until someone tells us the true state of the public finances this is all diversionary.
The problem is that fiddling at the edges is the wrong approach but I guess you are only stating the star position.
It is clear government structures are a nonsense far too many departments of this and that with overlap.
The financial(untrained) Balls gave much away when he talked about reserves and contingencies in his budget.These sorts of pots of discretionary money clearly exist all over Govt daft financial management.
There is a strong case (wash my mouth out) for business process re- engineering.
Finally you get to the hub of the problems complexity and a tax system wrongly geared.
The stealth tax approach relied on asset values growing thus structural loss of revenue has occurred together with the down turn.
You cant start easily from here but it is clean sheets and clear big levers Base tax rate Vat will have to be Used
We need some fiscal rules at present there are none madness when debt(cash flow) is out of control. Brown financial incompetence all to easily obvious.
Re: The Truth
[info]richardjeff wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:26 am (UTC)
The reason why no one tells us the true state is that no one really knows and in fact we only will know after the event. They depend on forecasts made round sets of assumptions and, especially as this recession has taken us into unknown territory, we cannot easily judge which assumptions are best to make and which models are best to apply. I do not think we can dismiss Brown's economic competence too easily. Some aspects he still talks a lot of sense on. His weakness is leadership, management of team and communications. I think history will be kinder on him for financial understanding than we currently are.

Recent OECD figures put the members combined deficit at 7.7 per cent of GDP in 2009, with the figure rising to 8.8 per cent in 2010.

Britain will post the biggest public sector deficit this year, reaching 12.8 per cent of GDP, followed by Ireland, with 11.5 per cent, and the United States, with 10.2 per cent. Spain will be in fourth place, followed by Japan, with a budget deficit equivalent to 7.8 per cent of GDP in 2009 and 8.7 per cent in 2010. France, Portugal, Poland and Greece will all have budget deficits of more than 6 per cent of GDP, while Italy's budget deficit will reach 5.3 per cent of GDP. If we look at the economic policy type of the last 10 years he is joined by a just right of centre Ireland, neocon in the USA (Obama has yet to have any effect on these figures), just left of centre in Spain and, in reality, bang on centre with the UK, then there is no evidence that the Conservative approach to economics would have done much better.

It is easy to think that large public deficit means more taxes but it could have the effect, as this is built up of borrowings and loss of tax revenues due to falling receipts, that growth is more rapidly stimulated and we repay that deficit more rapidly from the rising revenues without any increase in the taxation rates.

I'm not saying that will happen but rather that the jury is still out on the prognosis and most of the current debate is hot air and political positioning rather than clear well founded economic analysis.
Re: The Truth
[info]pilsden wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 10:20 am (UTC)
Thanks for replying.
I don't buy the too difficult to do argument.The Treasury has some of the best econometric models and understand risk analysis.I know if I try to not do a business plan on the basis of uncertainty I'd get a short answer.
The view that growth and below inflation expenditure will offset debt is not unreasonable in a more traditional recession and would be more plausible if a structural deficit were not underlying.I also am not certain of how this recession will play out because I suspect it will be a question of how the US economy performs.The concern is that the consumers (because of debt) will not return soon enough to offset the govt spending reductions.
I read the recent article by Stephen King which led me to the earlier view that the tax regime could not
be relied upon to produce a v shape return in income.
A couple of references which may help you understand my view
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/stephen-king/stephen-king-the-chancellors-golden-goose-is-no-more-and-the-cash-has-run-out-1674826.html
and
http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/4513
Re: The Truth
[info]2barrows wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 11:22 am (UTC)

I agree with you, pilsden. Excessive debt is at the root of this, and that will moderate consumer 'confidence' and expenditure for years to come. I do recall month after month of ever-higher personal debt stats from the ONS from the late 1990s, and no attempt was ever made to contain that burgeoning debt - the government just enjoyed the economic boost without considering the consequences. Now, with fingers burnt, only the extremely reckless will carry on as before - people in general aren't stupid. You are right to point up those links, particularly the IFS, which has many hidden, logically constructed gems based on data, and it is of course independent.
Ludicrous to imagine
[info]quietzapple wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:10 am (UTC)
that this is the time to set such things in stone.

http://www.lordtobyharris.org.uk/postponing-the-csr-makes-sense-so-why-the-hysteria/

Unless you are a tory troll, like Osborne, with a zero truth rating, looking for a target to distract attention from the latest inquiry (Official, not a Chameleon Torybory Committee) into your Mortgage Fiddles.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jul/02/george-osborne-investigated-expenses?plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:1e42d9d3-462a-4e46-88c0-fdb03b4e0d6a
Re: Ludicrous to imagine
[info]dnmurphy wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 10:45 pm (UTC)
I Read lordtobyharris, just another labour apologist, explaining why its fine to deceive the public. the 'its not our fault guv' line. Utter rubbish. nw is the time to do a CSR and plan for the future. Like all plans there has to be ability to change if circumstances dictate, but we are where we are now and shoudl plan for it. if you don't then you are just hiding your head in the sand and refusing to take ownership of your circumstances.

In business now is the time when planning and CRS are being done, they just retain flexibility to deal with change.

if labour wont do a CRS now it is because they are dishonestly trying to hide reality from us in fear we will vote them out of office. It shows labour cannot lead, just whimper and follow.

If Chameleon intends to reduce stamp duty
[info]quietzapple wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:22 am (UTC)
how will this reduce house prices, which so many of his more vociferous posters aver is vital?

Presumably they will back a full implementation of HIPs and reintroduction of Schedule A tax which Maudling abolished in 1962 or so, to have a lever to steady the market?
Trident?
[info]quietzapple wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:31 am (UTC)
"The Tories have committed themselves to Trident, and have assured the defence community that they would improve equipment and maintain the size of the forces."

I read that they hope to cancel one of the subs, and make do.

I hope that labour will cancel the whole programme, and wish it had been done when it would have been a clear moral lead.

There seem to be other inaccuracies in the article.
Save or spend there is no choice
[info]caurnie1 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:46 am (UTC)
How do you reduce debt? Either you spend less or you get more income. Am I being too simple in my approach to the economic future of this country? When our politicians face up to that fact then perhaps we can get them to tell the truth.
Sleight of hand perpetuated
[info]2barrows wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 11:01 am (UTC)

The 'investment vs cuts' mantra was always a deceit. The 2009 Budget has net investment falling from £44bn in 2009-10, then £36bn, £29bn, to £22bn in 2013-14. (http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/Budget2009/bud09_chapterc_463.pdf page 226 Table C4). QED.

The famous 7% cuts figure is based on the IFS analysis of the 2009 Budget - it is a cut of 7% over the 3 years 2011-2014, based on cuts of 2.3% per year. (http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/budget2009/public_spending.pdf slide 9). These 2.3% annual cuts account for debt interest, and benefits costs, and cumulate to 7%. Ring-fence Health and Overseas Development, and it then recalculates to a 10% cumulative 3 year cut for the rest.

Unless there is going to be a miraculous, dramatic and consistent recovery from the later part of this year, year on year, for many years (and who believes the green shoots nonsense any more apart from wishful thinkers with vested interests?), then we will have to see both public spending cuts and, heaven forfend, tax increases. There should be a public spending review now, based on the latest forecasts, so that we can have the proper, public, debate before an election. But the unelected Mandelson declared this week that the scheduled public spending review won't happen, so quite clearly this government puts its own interests above that of the country.
Re: Sleight of hand perpetuated
[info]pilsden wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 03:40 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your comments.
A couple of interesting but worrying(as I want the UK out of this mess asap)points
Krugman when he came to the LSE had done his homework (not shooting from the hip as his NYT column)
His analysis showed most financial recessions were ended in countries by export growth and that is not an easy option in a global financial recession (I am worried about India's spend/lend) .Secondly the difference to the end of the last war=high debt was that at the end of the war consumer debt was low for fairly obvious reasons.So consumers were the stimulus.
I am heartened by the consumers rationality and there is evidence here and in the US about savings so maybe balance sheets all round will be rebuilt.
The second is I am not sure Obama's team is clear enough about the way out you may like this link
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,632494,00.html.
you can view Krugman lectures on the LSE site
Re: Sleight of hand perpetuated
[info]2barrows wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:35 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the prompts. The Krugman lectures are rather long, and will have to wait because I'm otherwise occupied for the next two weeks. The Spiegel article correctly reports the limitations of Summers, and doesn't mention Geitner at all, but these two were both deregulation cheerleaders during the Clinton era (1999 = repeal of Glass-Steagall), and therefore part of the problem. Obama may be popular, and is articulate and convincing, but he's no economist.
Labour Lies
[info]fletch1871 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:09 pm (UTC)
Labour is adrift and unable to understand the situation. Brown and his merry crew continually ask what the Tories policies are in the hope that they will give them some advice. Since Northern Rock this governmant has done very little except apparently stand back wait in the vain hope that it will all sort itself out. They are all boys lost in a mans world without a single idea between the lot of them. Nothing could possibly be worse than Labour. Even the Lib Dems would be better that Labour. On the world stage the UK has been turned into a joke by Labour's spending plans and bright ideas. Not only that we have a Foreign Secretary who tramps round the world being totally ignored regardless of how hard he stamps his feet.
NHS.
[info]gymratone wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 02:56 pm (UTC)
I am 70 rs old have never claimed benefits of any sort and have struggled to pay for private health insurance as The NHS is a mess.>ow all the obese,scrounging winos will end up getting private health care for mainly self inflicted illnesses and people like me will end up at the end of a queue again.If I was younger I'd lead the revolution myself.But I am quite happy to lend a hand now.
[info]dumbganda wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 06:43 pm (UTC)
Verdict The Institute for Fiscal Studies has confirmed Tory interpretations of the scale of the cuts ahead. Critics say this exposes Conservative understanding of the cuts that will b necessary. Mr Brown last week admitted that there would be cuts in certain areas, and that future spending increases depended on growth. In truth, both Labour and the Tories will have no choice but to make significant cuts across the board.


A Bit shy to mention the fact that Labour is in denial!
data: we are bankrupt
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 08:32 pm (UTC)
ergo: ANY government will have to cut spending, Gollum has to start cutting now- fact not opinion. if he says otherwise he lies - QED

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