Phone bills 'will rise' to pay for database
Ministers want to farm out a Big Brother database of everyone's emails, phone calls and internet use to private companies who will be given the job of storing the data on behalf of the state.
The £2bn cost of the plans could add millions of pounds to phone and internet bills to help pay for new systems to collect and sort private information.
Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, said the Government had rejected the idea of a centralised database because it would impinge on privacy. She favoured a "middle way" in which primary communication companies, such as BT or Virgin, and leading internet service providers would have the job of collating phone, email and web use.
The Home Office wants communications companies to extend the range of information they currently hold on subscribers and organise it so that it can be better used by the police, MI5 and other public bodies investigating serious crime and terrorism.
Ministers estimate that the project will cost £2bn to set up, which includes some compensation to the communications industry for the work it may be asked to do.
"Communications data is an essential tool for law enforcement agencies to track murderers, paedophiles, save lives and tackle crime," Ms Smith said.
"It is essential that the police and other crime-fighting agencies have the tools they need to do their job. However, to be clear, there are absolutely no plans for a single central store."
The primary service providers would have the additional responsibility of collecting information from internet and other communications services which cross their networks.
Under the proposals an individual or household will be given a user ID so the company would be able to organise all the data linked to that ID.
Ms Smith said the Government had no interest in content of emails or phone calls and was only interested in logs showing who was communicating with whom.
The Information Commissioner, Richard Thomas, welcomed the decision not to go ahead with a giant centralised database, but called on the Government to publish details about how ministers intended to protect privacy. He said: "You can tell an awful lot about some people's personal circumstances from the people they are talking to and the websites they visit. It is important that the proposals are tightly defined and minimise the level of intrusion with appropriate safeguards in place."
Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, described the decision as a "Home Office climb-down" on a super Big Brother database. "It is a clear signal that the public interest in personal privacy can no longer be ignored, she said. "However, if companies are to be required to hold even more information than they do at present, concerns about access and use become even more important."
Communications service providers already hold large amounts of communications data and an EU directive that came into force this month requires data to be retained for a year.
The Internet Services Providers' Association (ISPA) welcomed the government consultation. Nicholas Lansman, ISPA secretary general, said: "To ensure that any updated law enforcement requirements do not place extra financial burdens on internet service providers, ISPA stresses the importance of cost recovery."
Big Brother: How you're being watched
*Emails: Under European Union rules, communication service providers have to keep details of all email and other internet traffic for 12 months. Ministers now want them to also store details of other internet services that cross their networks.
*Telephone calls: These should be easier to trace and store as the primary communications company will route internet use and emails through a telephone broadband line. Mobile phone companies tend to retain this information for billing purposes.
*Web browsing: An individual's internet history can help law enforcement and security services paint a picture of suspicious online behaviour. There will be no right to see the content of messages left on websites.
*Social networking sites: Ministers have said they want to monitor sites such as Facebook and Bebo. Intelligence gleaned by law enforcement agencies suggests suspects believe they can disguise their identities by leaving messages for co-conspirators on these private access sites. Named public bodies and the police will only be able to see this information if they have made a case under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act.
*Internet telephonic use: Web-phone call software like Skype has become popular because it cuts the cost of making telephone calls. It is the kind of rapid development in new technology which law enforcement agencies want to be able to monitor. More and more telephone calls are being routed over the web, meaning that police are losing the ability to track who has called whom, from where and for how long.
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What right do the govt have accessing any such networks ? It's absolutely nothing to do with them since they sold it all off years ago. Now it's turned into something they can't manipulate they're scared to death of it and want it back. f@#k off!!
What is this faceless foe on whom the UK is dedicating so much resources whether money, people or equipment?
Are things not now grotesquely out of proportion? There are many threats to the safety and security of the UK and its citizens but they cover a whole gamut of items including road accidents, swine flu and lightning! How many deaths and injuries have resulted from terrorism and how much resources have been spent on 'security' to protect the public from such a threat?
Why don't you appoint me to be the next chancellor of the excheker?
There is too much going on in the world and no one seems to be taking any time at all to think or even to do what is right. Plus, who is the government thinking of.....not the people that is for sure. What do the boogers want from us, what is power good for, I just don't get it. When we are beaten down, where's the benefit to those in power?
They are wasting their time on so many of these intrusive databases. Let the police and others do their work in the ways they do elsewhere without snooping on everyone all the time.
Otherwise, perhaps the government could create a new 'statute' banning us from having friends round to as the only way to ensure the accuracy of their expensive new toy.
Damn, now I've suggested it ...
Now extend your line of thinking and realise that if the Government are to "play up the threat" then the Media, the Police, Security companies, Court System, Communication companies, the Church (yes indeed) and others must all be complicit.
Normally I would use the word 'conspiracy' but as we all know the same powers as above have over time managed to associate this word with some form of mental illness. Now why would they do that?
The same powers that have managed overtime to assimilate 'condemnation of Israeli Atrocities' with 'Anti-Semitism'. Now why would they do that?
Keep your open mind and keep asking questions.
I trust they will now be able to track down those dastardly al-Qaeda pigs who are responsible for the 'global pandemic' (sic) of swine fever. Global pandemic in Newspeak means, of course, that there have been no deaths outside of Mexico, but we should be ready to panic and rush screaming through the streets.
Bah humbug.
They now want to read every e-mail or letter, listen to every telephone conversation, and get their surveillance peons to determine if you are a risk. The next step is to indoctrinate children with their ideals. Then they will also require CCTVs in each house, and pubs to install listening devices.
Soon Jack and Jacqui will introduce laws that anyone criticising the British government is enemy of the state, and must be sent to a correction centre to be brainwashed.
Blair, Blunkett, Straw and Smith have learned their techniques from the old communist regimes in Eastern Europe, and the military dictators of Asia and Latin America.
This charade is all being done in the name of "security", but even after hundreds of ill-conceived laws, the British citizen is less safe now than in 1997.
Like China, all internet traffic will be censored by the government.
Porkies!
What's happening is very simple: WE are going to pay instead of the Treasury.
Nice one, Gordon, only you could dream up this one.
Jackboots has destroyed democratic freedom in this country and has given 'the terrorists' propaganda coup by oppressing our own citizens.
The only thing George Orwell got wrong was the year!!!!!!! I would have expected this behaviour from Thatcher and her cronies but Jackboots has obviously been on a few KGB (as was) training courses.
Less than a week after the Chancellor proposed a rise in income tax to 50 per cent for the highest earners, the Revenue said that it would spend a quarter of its £4 billion budget on catching tax-dodgers. Lesley Strathie, who took over as the HMRC's chief executive and permanent secretary five months ago, said that the organisation would relentlessly pursue those who bent or broke the rules.
Gordon Brown beat an embarrassing retreat last night when he scrapped his plans to abolish the second-homes allowance paid to MPs as a parliamentary watchdog dashed his hopes of a quick solution to the crisis.
Call to delay MPs' expenses decision
The Commons anti-sleaze watchdog today called for any decisions on the MPs' expenses controversy to be postponed until after the completion of an independent review.
Will a facemask help to protect me, I mean from these lot, not he flue. That I can cope.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
There are just over 12 months until Gormless Gordon and the clueless, grasping morons he leads are consigned to the dustbin of history. Let's hope the bastards are wiped out at the next election; and I'm an ex-Labour voter, to my eternal shame.
Neither ministers nor the civil service can explain why they want them.
Smart cards are the wrong technology.
The biometrics the UK scheme depends on don't work reliably enough.
David Blunkett is ready to give up on the project.
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Meanwhile, the value of telecommunications records for crime-fighting has been recognised for decades. Cases are openly reported in the newspapers, there is no secret that phone data often helps to support criminal investigations. There have never been any civil liberties objections.
Within limits, mobile phones identify you, they locate you and they identify your associates, the people you call and who call you. To that limited extent, the mobile phone is an ID card.
So we don't need the proposed new ID cards, we already have better ID cards which we pay for ourselves, which we voluntarily take with us everywhere and which are globally interoperable.
The ID cards scheme has always been a waste of time and money. David Blunkett is right to call a halt.
Falling back on passports, as he suggests, is not completely daft. It is daft if he means the ePassport books we have. But if he means mobile phones, which are passports to the airwaves, then the idea is not completely daft.
All of this was proposed to the Home Office six years ago and several times since and has been ignored. Perhaps now the Home Office would like to stop wasting our money on pointless projects bound to fail and instead concentrate on mobiles. They might like, in other words, actually to achieve some success for a change.
Refs:
http://dematerialisedid.com/BCSL/Campai
http://dematerialisedid.com/Mobiles.htm
http://dematerialisedid.com/Biometr
Etc ...
In general, http://dematerialisedid.com
http://www.vimeo.com/4165434
We need to have one set of rules about what is private, and what is not and enforce that wall across all areas of Human endeavor, both on the side of privacy and on the side of transparency.
Stop it already will ya!! Why does'nt Jaqui Smith just come out and tell us that we are NOW ruled by European Union Law and their "Corpus Juris" Concept since 1994!! This means that the State and Law Enforcement agencies IN BRITAIN ARE ABOVE THE LAW and cannot be brought to ACCOUNT!! Thats why no-one saw any covictions of those cops that killed John Charles De Mezines on the Tube and all the cover ups and the clear obstructions of Justice by the IPCC and Cops themselves over the G20 Protests.
Bottom Line is we live in a Police State Control Grid..If we want out..get out of Europe!! I wouldnt trust ANY of the Politicians to do that for us since they are ALL bought and paid for by the EU.
Find this out and more at eutruth.org.uk The people HAVE TO WAKE UP and SOON!!
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It seems somewhat ridiculous for the Independent to post articles and allow comments on them but include characters in the articles that will prevent the comments from being posted if the relevant part of the article is actually quoted in the comments.
Then again, I probably shouldn't expect better these days, especially not after "century's" on the Moctezuma article.