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The Big Question: Who was St George, and why is celebrating him so contentious?

BY Andy McSmith

An early painting of St George and the dragon from Lebabnon's Bekaa Valley

ALAMY

An early painting of St George and the dragon from Lebabnon's Bekaa Valley

Why are we asking this now?

Today is St George's Day and, rather unusually, a mainstream politician has identified himself with making this a day for celebrating the glory. Up to now, the only politicians promoting St George's memory have been too far out on the fringes to be taken seriously, but today the London Mayor, Boris Johnson, will be travelling around the capital in a Routemaster bus – one of several initiatives he is taking to mark St George's Day. Andrew Rosindell, a Tory MP who is not so mainstream as Mr Johnson, is also hosting a St George's Day reception in the Commons, at which Laura Coleman, the current Miss England, will be guest of honour. Other parts of the country are also commemorating St George. For instance, there was a huge march in West Bromwich last weekend, and four days of events are planned in Neston, near Birkenhead.

So who was St George?

There probably was a historical figure called George, who was a prominent Christian in the reign of the pagan Roman Emperor, Diocletian, and was killed in 303. One version of his life records that he was an officer who refused to carry out the Emperor's order that all soldiers must make sacrifices to pagan gods, for which he was hideously tortured to death. A very different story is told is Edward Gibbon's Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire, first published in 1787. He alleged that George was "an odious priest", a crook from Cappadocia who was chased out of Palestine for selling dodgy bacon to the army, and fled to Egypt, adopted a new and growing brand of Christianity called Arianism, used that to as a lever to get himself appointed Archbishop of Alexandria in place of the genuinely saintly Athanasius the Great, and instigated a reign of such "cruelty and avarice" that he was lynched by the outraged citizens. However, Gibbon may have confused him with a man with the same or a similar name, who also came from Cappadocia.

Where did the dragon come into it?

The story of George and the dragon is at least a thousand years old, and probably much older. It was part of an oral tradition, so its origins will probably never be known. George's image can be found on eastern churches, and he is the patron saint of, among other places, Greece, Georgia, Portugal, Genoa, Milan, Beirut, Malta, Ethiopia, Lithuania and Palestine.

How did he become England's patron saint?

George's fame had certainly reached England by the reign of Alfred the Great, but it really took off after the Crusades, when it was reported back that he had appeared before the crusaders outside Jerusalem in 1099, spurring them on to martial valour. He was much admired by European knights, and began to appear on banners taken into battle. In 1222, the Synod of Oxford declared that St George's Day was a feast day in England. Not being English actually gave him an edge over other saints, such as Thomas à Becket, because it meant his cult was not associated with any particular part of the country, so when English knights set off to France to fight the Hundred Years War, they could do so in the name of St George without stirring up regional rivalries. As Shakespeare put it, in Henry V: "God for England, Harry and St George."

Why isn't St George's Day a national holiday?

The Scots take the day off on St Andrew's Day, the Irish have St Patrick's Day and, for three centuries or longer, St George's Day was a national holiday in England. The tradition died out in the 18th century, sometime after the union of England and Scotland. Gibbon obviously loathed the tradition and was helping to kill it off, because he associated St George with what we would now be called jingoism, or the lust for military conquest. George is unlike most Christian saints in that he was not a man of peace but an armed warrior famous for his ruthlessness in battle, albeit at the expense of a dragon who was threatening a damsel. A country which has banned fox-hunting has as its patron saint someone famous for killing a reptile which was only doing what came naturally – namely breathing fire and threatening damsels.

Is George making a comeback?

After the Scots got their Parliament and the Welsh their Assembly, the question of Englishness came naturally back on to the agenda. The English have no separate Parliament, no First Minister nor any other politicians who speaks specifically for England, and no national anthem of its own – only a flag which is seldom seen flying from public buildings. Therefore, some people argue, the very least the English could have is a day to celebrate Englishness. This idea is keenly supported by people in the drink and catering industries with a vested interest in persuading the English to adopt a new excuse for a blow-out. Around the country, you can find hotels and restaurants offering special St George's fare, little of it cheap. Asda stores are promoting something called the Bedfordshire Clanger, a traditional food they want you to sample in honour of St George. Some restaurants are offering free meals today to anyone named George or Georgina.

Why should this be controversial?

The idea of celebrating St George's Day is linked to the fringes of right-wing politics. Its supporters can be heard asking, in self-pitying tones, why is it "racist", or even political, to want to be proud of England. The answer is that it is not, in itself, but these events draw people from the political fringe. The organisers of the St George's march in West Bromwich have pleaded with participants not to link the day with right-wing extremism. Last year's march was supported by Sandwell Council, but they withdrew their support and held a rival event because of the presence of the British Ulster Alliance Flute Band, which has links with loyalist groups in Northern Ireland. This year's march, which drew a crowd of up to 20,000, was meant to be apolitical but one of the marchers was Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party.

Why not find another patron saint for England?

Various surveys have shown that people have a very hazy idea of who St George was. Young people who took part in a survey on the MySpace website liked the idea of a day off, but when they were asked who should be England's patron saint, the winner was the humorist Stephen Fry. A YouGov for the magazine This England showed that seven out of 10 young people do not know when St George's Day is, and one in eight English people of all ages reacts with distaste if they see the St George's flag being brandished. The magazine's editor, Stephen Garnett, admitted to being "incredibly disappointed" by these findings. He said: "St George stands for everything that makes this country great – freedom of expression, helping those less fortunate, tolerance of other people's beliefs, kindness and standing up for what you believe to be right – and it's a travesty that this is being forgotten. We want people to be proud, fly the flag, wear a red rose, display the cross or organise their own St George's day party, anything! Just do something to make sure that we don't let this important day go by without speaking up for England!"

Should St George's Day be a national holiday?

Yes...

* The Scots, the Irish and others celebrate their saints' days, so why should not the English?

* In times like these, we need another reason to be cheerful.

* If you don't like St George, call it Shakespeare's birthday and join in the fun.

No...

* St George is a martial figure – that's why right-wing nationalists like him.

* The record of his life is so unreliable that one Pope downgraded him from the pantheon of saints.

* If we need a symbol of Englishness, let us choose someone or something relevant to today.

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St George from George down under
[info]bloghoppa wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 01:10 am (UTC)
Writing as an Australian of English and Irish background - ancestors came here last century, I find it sort of funny that English people need or want a patron saint like St. George, or even an English identity for that matter. I guess I can't share that need somehow. I suppose my ancestors didn't need or want it either as they put life in the new world above any abiding sense of Englishness or Irishness - so to speak. So I guess I am saying that its all pretty alien to me. Do people really have a strong need to be English and believe in St. George, or Irish and believe in St. Patrick. I think to my own situation here in Oz and I think - 'well I am Australian and it has some good points and bad points but it doesn't define who I am - its not my identity'. Saying that I know some academics like to talk of ethnic or national identity but not everyone would share those ideas. I like the authors reference to extreme right wing groups though - perhaps there in lies a more accurate interpretation of what is going on with St George.
Re: St George from George down under
[info]dennis_mundo wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 08:49 am (UTC)
I totally understand you bloghoppa. As a German in England I often observe with disbelief how desperate the English try to "feel" an identity.
As a German you know you are German because you speak German and because you understand the mentality and lifestyle of the country. Which is good. Beside that your 'identity' may also be defined by your region (Bavarian, Saxon, Rhinelander etc.) or indeed people understand themselves as Europeans as well. But these identities are just there, they don't need to be celebrated or being identified through saints (or money, or telephone boxes or whatever superficial things the English like to come up with).
In the end your identity is what you are as a person. Should the English ever become relaxed enough to understand this they can save themselves a lot of useless, heated hot air discussions.
As it is at the moment, if people can only describe their identity through a "saint" or banknotes, than there is not much identity apparent.
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St. George Day in Istanbul
[info]toroviolet wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 02:46 am (UTC)
Even in a Muslim country, Turkey, today, 23rd. April, St. George Day, thousands of Muslims, mostly females, will flock to Buyuk Ada, biggest of the Prince Islands, in Istanbul, to visit St. George Church. Some will walk up the hill bare footed and most will place their scribbled notes in the church demanding "a rich husband", " an apartment unit", etc.
Re: St. George Day in Istanbul
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 12:40 pm (UTC)
Horror ! the Cross of St. George is a Muslim symbol ! OMG !!!
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On Killing Dragons
[info]redroseandy wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 05:32 am (UTC)
I can explain the slaying of a dragon by St. George. In the book of Revelations in the New Testament the dragon is the devil. Many Christians doing works for charity meet the devil, and it appears that St. George went one better than most by killing him. It might also be that St. George killed a false prophet, or Guru. This would not go down well with the modern church which attempts to get all religions to work together.
Re: On Killing Dragons
[info]nerderello wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 11:51 am (UTC)
so St George killed the devil! Wow, that's a relief.

I wonder who has been running hell all of these years. :-)
And Leftistism is a Mental Disease
[info]errol888flynn wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 05:54 am (UTC)
*St George is a martial figure ... that's why right-wing nationalists like him.*

What an infantile statement. It beggars belief sometimes just how childish those who think they adhere to so-called left-wing politics can be. Since when was *nationalist* a dirty word?

*If we need a symbol of Englishness, let us choose someone or something relevant to today.*

Clearly Andy McSmith and his ilk believes that a nations history ... and most certainly Englands ... is irrelevant to today. What a dumb, silly, and self-destructive attitude. Only an International Communist could truly believe in such tripe.
Re: And Leftistism is a Mental Disease
[info]cadwern wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 11:21 am (UTC)
It seem you aere the one with that isn't thinking

Nationalism is a dirty word since many of the wars and presecution of the last 100 years have been based on nationalism , the nazis (National socialism) , NI , Israel, yugoslavia, tibet/china, BNP ...

ASt george isn't part of english history , he live in turkey and never came anywhere near england.

Yes got to watch out for those pinko commies, foreigners ruining thuis country (rather than those nice english bankers, policemen)
Re: And Leftistism is a Mental Disease - [info]errol888flynn - Friday, 24 April 2009 at 06:26 am (UTC) Expand
St George the great Muslim Saint
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 06:12 am (UTC)
St George is celebrated in the Muslim world as "Khizar the Green One"; he is a venerated saint who gave his life for montheism.

Had St George been alive today; he would most likely been languishing in the dungeons of Guantanamo Bay Cuba, for his beliefs.

It is a well known fact that St George had a Turkish father and a Palestinian mother; and the story about him slaying a dragon is a total myth ; in fact every ancient culture has a favourite son slaying a dragon; be it Greek, Persian,Roman Egptian myths; they all love to slay a dragon.

In fact St George never visited England; however the elders in the "Whitehall" of those times decreed that St George should be the patron saint of England and how wise indeed these elders were.
Re: St George the great Muslim Saint
[info]cmbhome wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 06:28 am (UTC)
...Everybody loves a bit of dragon slaying, Richard.
Why tinker at the edges.
[info]unlikelylad wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 07:19 am (UTC)
Take back St. Georges day into the mainstream of life by making it a National holiday and a reason to celebrate Englishness> That way you will take it away from the fring elements that look to use the symbol for something less appealing.
Saint George
[info]mtvmalta wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 07:39 am (UTC)
He is not the patron Saint of Malta. Saint Paul, Saint Agatha and Saint Publius [at a stretch] are
Nikolay from Cherven Briag, Bulgaria
[info]nicves wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 07:42 am (UTC)
How couls England become so soulless and atheistic?! Do you, guys, believe in God at all? Pardon me, but most of you don't.
Re: Nikolay from Cherven Briag, Bulgaria
[info]mickey_modster wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 10:29 am (UTC)
Personally, i think all bulgarians like to have sex with their parents. Or, am I just being stereotypical?
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Andy McWho?
[info]stephen_dazirou wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 08:01 am (UTC)
McSmith, what an odd name. I will work on the basis that this means he is Scots. An Englishman or an English familly would, I have to assume, by now have dropped the Mac or at recoined themselves as McSmythe. The assumption that McSmith is Scottish as least explains the snyde anti-English racism that runs through this artilcle and indeed much else in the Independent. It is to be deprecated. So, while I would concur with anti-Jingoism, which I take to be nationalism built around denigrating the neighbours I am with Stephen Garnett and against Andy McSmith in thinking that there is much that is very positive about England and its history. Indeed many patriots of other countries, excluding France of course, are admirers of England and draw inspiration from its example, intelligence from its language and comfort from its continuied existence. When, for example, Eleanor Roosevelt presented the universal declaration of human rights to the United Nations she commended it as the Magna Carta for the world. So thank God for England, even Harry and, gulp, St Boris.

PS Is it jingoistic of me to point out, as indeed I do whenever I can, that the jingoists of today are the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh, the Australians ... and, how could I ever forget, the French!
[info]rickgee wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 08:07 am (UTC)
Why bother with a patron. Why not just have an England day. Im sure a culture would develop around it, particularly if it were a national holiday.
Culture
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 12:42 pm (UTC)
YEs, the culture would be drinking.
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Groan
[info]peersrogue wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 08:24 am (UTC)
Please can you left wing loonies not just leave England alone?

Yes, why not St George? martial? of course that is offensive to the left 'whingers' who by and large are not known for their courage, clarity of thought or love of their country only for their spite and jealousy of anyone who is brave or does well in the private sector.

Come to think of it we could do with a live St George leading a crusade against this unbearable govt; failing that maybe Hercules would be better he could clean out the Augean stables that is this parliament in a single day.
Re: Groan
[info]hedgegrower wrote:
Friday, 24 April 2009 at 04:33 am (UTC)
"we could do with a live St George leading a crusade against this unbearable govt;"

We've got one! Nick Griffin, BNP, and he's mainstream, not extreme.

And whether St George ever visited England is irrelevant. He was adopted as our Saint for the qualities of his character, which became the qualities for which England was renowned until treacherous
governments of both persuasions decided to destroy us.

A formal St George's day would give a focal point to which English people could rally, in an attempt to avoid the inevitable obliteration of our race threatened by overwhelming third world immigration.
Only asking...
[info]hushnoww wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 08:29 am (UTC)

[quote]The Scots, the Irish and others celebrate their saints' days,[unquote]

Have the Welsh now been relegated to "others" now Andy?Or
is because the Welsh St David, in contrast with the other national patron saints of the British Isles and Ireland, Saints George, Andrew and Patrick, is an actual native of the country of which he is patron saint,

Regards Hush
Islamic sources
[info]carmagan wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 08:30 am (UTC)
The Islamic sources indicate St. George as (Jarjes) and that he lived in the Palestine area. He was not a cruel man of any kind. He was a messenger of GOD who preached people the religion of Jesus (he lived after the time of Jesus). The ruler at his time forced people to worship idols. He opposed this and called on the ruler to be righteous. The ruler did not accept him and he tortured Jarjes in many terrible ways. He died being tortured that way. He is not known that much among the Muslims. I had to do a little research myself to write this.
Re: Islamic sources
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 09:07 am (UTC)
St George is indeed reverered as a Saint in Islam; he of course pre-dates the advent of Islam by 300 years; however his sacrifice and bravery is recognised by Muslim theologians posthumously.

There are many mosques as well as churches named after St George.

St George would be a true icon of modern Britain; as a Muslim I would sincerely wish to see a national day for St George.
Groan
[info]movefreely wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 08:39 am (UTC)
Yes ... the private sector they have really done well recently haven't they especially all those 'nice' bankers. and those captains of industry in the stock markets. I'm certainly 'impressed' by their 'success' , they screw us sideways and we give them more money so they can carry on , that is impressive !!

We can be so proud of them .. Battling for British industry as they have been it just makes me want to weep with patriotism

and you are so right !! we have nothing to whinge about...all us bloody whingers !

You've missed the point...
[info]leveuf wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 08:49 am (UTC)
... we're not celebrating St George, any more then the Scots celebrate St Andrew or the Irish, St Patrick, or the Welsh, St David. We're all celebrating our own countries and merely using these saints as a hook on which to hang our patriotism.
Well...
[info]sarayne wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 09:03 am (UTC)
I think here, we're justifying an excuse for a holiday. There is no basis in this article for genuine celebration of our patron saint. And to be quite honest I think it's right we do celebrate or at least commemorate this day as Christianity seems to be somewhat hushed in England these days.

Sarah
Skiving?
[info]the_kegs wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 09:32 am (UTC)
St Georges day was always celebrated when I was a kid but not with a day off work. There was always a St George's day parade around the area of London in which I lived. So, is this more about a day skiving than a day celebrating our Saint!
St.George was Turkish
[info]allenn007 wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 09:33 am (UTC)
St.George was Turkish, probably dark-skinned, and probably the type of person that Nick Griffin and the Daily Mail for example, would like to see barred from entering Britain and sent back to Turkey.

It is time for a better patron saint and I suggest Shakespeare would be the ideal figure who couldn't be utilised by the uneducated nationalists/ racists in this country who don't read books etc.
Re: St.George was Turkish
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 10:23 am (UTC)
I quite agree with you!
St George
[info]ouldbob wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 09:37 am (UTC)
The whole idea of a Patron Saint is that he is a figurehead for everyone. It matters not a jot that people of differing persuasions support him: that is his purpose, - so therefore rejoice that the extremists also support him. That does not make him less, but magnifies him.
Are we to say that just because some members of the national front are Christian, we should abandon Christianity? What arrant nonesense: they are not hijacking anything: St. George is acting as a unifying force.
Once again, those who would destroy England and our identity are endeavouring to emasculate another potential focus for us.
These people are simply a fifth column, - a bunch of people motivated solely by treason and their own sense of inadequacy. They are the namby pamby parasites who think that just because Britain once conquered India, Africa and most of the rest of the world, we should now give Britain to immigrants because our sins (conquering 'primitive' peoples and bringing them the somewhat dubious benefits of our "civilisation") are so great that we deserve no better than to lick the bootstraps of those we have allegedly oppressed. This is the blessing of damned multiculturalism, where we are expected to change our country into a better place for immigrants to live, but a far poorer one for us.
Well, damn them to Hell, and Cry - God for Harry! England! and Saint George!
Indians used to be proud to be British - just remember that.
St. George
[info]margofan wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 09:44 am (UTC)
I think the children should be taught about St George at school. When my son went to school in London, all the children with Irish, Welsh or Scottish backgrounds were encouraged to dress up in their countries colours or National dress. But not for St Georges day. It's as if we should feel ashamed to be proud of being English. My daughters current school have now started playing a football match for St Georges day, and I have decided to provide a Cup. . And the year 6 class that wins it, can keep it in their class! I love my country ! ! ! ! ! !

Maria
Well done Boris!
[info]britishmuslim wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 09:51 am (UTC)
It is not racist to fly the English flag nor is it racist to be proud of being English.
This pathetic labour government suppressed ?Englishness? as an excuse for multiculturalism and getting the minorities? vote ? as they did by killing the joy of celebrating Christmas - when really minorities never expressed dismay or offence at seeing the English flag being flown, if anything they embraced it. Thus, the labour government created this racial tension and the taboo surrounding all things English. Indeed, as ?unlikelylad? wrote,
?Take back St. Georges day into the mainstream of life (?) That way you will take it away from the fringe elements that look to use the symbol for something less appealing.?
Furthermore, being English means you stand for common values, embrace a certain culture, and share certain social beliefs ? it is not restricted to white blond and blue-eyed individuals. Therefore, if one is offended by seeing the country?s flag being flown, maybe this just is not the place for them.

I myself am extremely proud of being British/English and living in such a great country, rest assured my flag will be flying high for many days to come!

Regards.
St George
[info]hatjoug wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 10:10 am (UTC)
The legend of St George and the Dragon is an adaption of the myth of Perseus and the Kraken. Note the white winged horse in the Icons.
That explains it
[info]sublibellous wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 10:12 am (UTC)
I wondered why there was a BNP flag hanging out of the window of the flats I walked past this morning. I'd assumed England had been playing last night.

I am 100% opposed to scrapping the May Day bank holiday in favour of a day of nationalism which would inevitably be hijacked by the BNP and right-wing Tories. As far as I'm concerned, one of the defining features of an English person is that they don't make a big fuss about Englishness.
St George's day
[info]alastairmas wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 10:14 am (UTC)
As a foreigner, I find it ludicrous all this banter about St George being a warrior figure not deserving being England's patron saint. A warrior he might be but what everybody knows was his bravery fighting the dragon to save a damsel (obviously a legend) but nothing wrong with it. The English should be proud of their traditions and forget about political nonsense. In Spain, St George is the patron saing of Catalonia and his day is celebrated all over the country as the "Books Day".
Re: St George's day
[info]ggarlick46 wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 10:49 pm (UTC)
Agreed England is a nation of warriors not priests.
St Edmund
[info]grundlefribbit wrote:
Thursday, 23 April 2009 at 10:16 am (UTC)
What about St Edmund, the original patron saint of the English, who was in fact... English. His demise & the subsequent rise of St George was due a lot to Edward III and his obsession with chivalry.

If not, what about Thomas a Becket?
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