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Sudan expels aid agencies

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Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir announced today that 10 foreign aid agencies had been expelled, in his first public response to the International Criminal Court's call for his arrest on war crimes charges.

The arrest warrant issued yesterday for atrocities in Sudan's western Darfur region is the first against a sitting head of state by the Hague-based ICC.

"We will act as a responsible government," Bashir told a meeting of top politicians and cabinet members in response to the arrest warrant, while adding that Sudan would act decisively against anyone threatening stability.

"We have expelled 10 foreign organisations ... after monitoring activities that act in contradiction to all regulation and laws," he said.

China urged the UN Security Council today to heed calls from African and Arab countries and suspend the case against Bashir, but the United States has welcomed the action.

The ICC, set up in 2002, indicted Bashir on seven counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity, which included murder, rape and torture. The three-judge panel said it had insufficient grounds for genocide.

Hours after the warrant was issued, Sudan revoked the licences of several foreign aid agencies.

UN and other agencies are running the world's largest humanitarian operation in Darfur, a mainly desert region in western Sudan. International experts say at least 200,000 people have been killed there, while Khartoum says 10,000 have died.

A further 2.7 million people are estimated to have been uprooted by the conflict, which began when mostly non-Arab rebels took up arms against the government in 2003.

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How about those who bomb women and children? No justice for them?
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 09:46 am (UTC)
How about the evil Empire that uses the Holocaust and so called democracy to brutalise for over 60 years and get away with it?!

How about those who bomb women and children? no justice for them?

Israel was built on native Palestinians corpses AND has been occupying, torturing, brutalising and killing Palestinian children since its creation in 1948, very soon after the Holocaust. If Jews hate Arabs, why live next to them. No Arab country wants Israel to be next to them except a couple of Arab dictators who are creepy crawly to the Zionist for few Dollars. They have sold their country to the Zionists and that is the King of Jordan and the Egyptian president who shake hands soaked in blood. The Holocaust gave a carte blanche to the Jews to do whatever they want and get away with it. Why did the Jews never ever take revenge and create the state of Israel in Germany? Instead they go and brutalise their cousins in blood, that is the Arabs. Israel is the cancer of the Middle East that has poisoned relations between the Muslim world and the West since its creation in 1948.
And to those Jewish commentators on this forum, don't become nasty and swear at me because of something I said. This country thrives in freedom of expression only when it suits the Zionists and calls it inciting hatred when it comes to Muslim opinions.
Re: How about those who bomb women and children? No justice for them?
[info]andrea_2 wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 10:43 am (UTC)
Two wrongs don't make a right
Re: How about those who bomb women and children? No justice for them?
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 01:47 pm (UTC)
Andrea,
Yes you are right, 2 wrongs don't make it right but why only Muslims who seem to face justice?
Re: How about those who bomb women and children? No justice for them?
[info]andrea_2 wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 02:06 pm (UTC)
djangovsartana, you ask why is that muslims are the only ones who seem to face justice?

It seems to me that it is almost impossible to bring any leader to justice over atrocities committed when they are in power.Regardless of nationality or religion, they seem to get away with murder and mayhem with impunity. So I welcome any leader, muslim or otherwise, being brought to justice if atrocities have been committed on their watch and under their direction.

I can understand your frustration that others seem to be getting away with their crimes, and we can only hope that will change. But we should be thankful whenever any leader is brought to justice over their crimes.

If you try and look at this objectively, then you will recall that there have been trials in recent years of Serbian war leaders who committed atrocities against muslims in the former Yugoslavia. So it is not only muslims who are brought to justice. Although the process is painfully slow and many more will go unpunished.

Try not to view it through sectarian, religious eyes. But through the eyes of a human being, glad that maybe just one of the current despots desperately needing to be brought to justice for inflicting unimaginable suffering on other human beings, could be.
Re: How about those who bomb women and children? No justice for them?
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 06:14 pm (UTC)
Andrea,
You must have heard of the two biggest Empire of recent history, that is Rule Britannia and French colonialism Imperialism. Did the natives of those colonies invite with open arms Britain and France? Please don't tell me that in these two countries they don't teach their children that Colonilasm was all roses and that it did not commit genocides on innamaginable scale, douzen of millions of natives killed. Not a single Western country that colonised faced justice. Never mind the past. How about those who lied to their people and to the world and invaded a soveign country over lies and caused the death of over a million iraqis? Did they face justice?
Re: How about those who bomb women and children? No justice for them?
[info]raifyaman wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 11:14 am (UTC)
Dear Andrea, why do not we do anything against the islamic terrorist organisation like Hamas, Hizbullah, Al Qaida etc who kill innocent people by their suicide attacks in Israel, and all over the world? I am a muslim and I know that we did not have any reactions as islamic societies against our islamic terrorist organisations when then kille so many people. Of course we are against all the murders who kill people, not only children. If we do not want someone to bomb Gaza we have to react and prevent the other who kill children, women, and men in Israel cities.
Arrest this criminal
[info]raifyaman wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 11:00 am (UTC)
Please send Sudan the power of justice and liberty as you sent it to Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Ossetia. The states want you to suspend the case against this creature who is the killer of 500.000 people are the ones like him. China is one of the countries which does not accept the human rights and violate these rights in Tibet and other minorities lands. The human rights must not anymore be considered as internal affaires of any countries. They are our common rights. We want the USA, EU and other democratic states, organisations, UN, NATO etc and humanright organisations and societies to urge their governments to end these atrocities all over the world as soon as possible. Why does ICC wait so much, why does it give these kind of killers to kill people by hundreds thousands? The life is important for every human being. ICC can become a big hope of the all people in the world. Thank you very much dear Luis, the judge of ICC. Thank you very much ICC. Thank you very much the USA and the EU governments for your humanitarian support. Please do not be late to arrest this creature being very likely a human.
An admission of guilt.
[info]jonny_socialist wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 12:39 pm (UTC)
Chucking out foreign aids workers is tantamount to a confession from this bastard. Lets hope he is hanged like saddam.
[info]jocarman wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 01:16 pm (UTC)
djangovsartana
leave the king of jordan & egyptian president out of it & dont play that rehtorical game.They are both better than palestinian leaders who don't care much about their people.
Your comments cannot hide the anit-semitism hiding behind a human concern for palestinian plight.
let me remind you of the UN plan in 1947 which partitioned the land into two states, jews accepted it and palestinians refused it. If what you claim is true,how come the palestinian population has increased more than that of israeli population, if israel has been "torturing, brutalising and killing Palestinian children since its creation in 1948"? You want justice for the women & children as if you really care about them, ignorning it was hamas who uses human shields, ignoring the israeli civilians killed by palestinian suicide bombers who target women & children too, why didn't you mention them?
you're just angry & blinded by prejudice.
Give Hamas your F16 and they'll give you their tomato tin rockets!
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 02:08 pm (UTC)
Jocarman,
Where was "Israel" before 1948? Rewind before 1948! Typical, you Jews your only weapon is to shut us up and accuse us of anti-Semetism and prejudice whenever you lose an argument. Don't you think that the actions of a state built on Palestinian corpses does not hide the facts any more about the state you support. People around the world now are not going to believe your propaganda seeing that you bomb man, women and children and talk about the Holocaust. Yes I am angry seeing pictures of tiny babies cut into pieces. Why don't you give your F16 to Hamas and Hamas will give you their tomato tin rockets. You are just a bunch of cowards who bomb the weak and vonurable. Go and try North Korea instead! You are the cancer of not only the Middle East but the whole world. Go and try your F16 somewhere that matches your strength and not an a civilian population with no army. Is this why you got rid of Nazism just to replace it with Zionism? You invaded and are still occupying 4 countries and you talk about Saddam. Arabs did not put you in gas chambers. Arabs have never wanted you to be next to them and cause them misery. Go to Siberia and create the state of Israel in there or in the North Pole .....I am telling you again that the Arab population around you in the so called Israel do not want a cancer to be next to them, don't you get it. It's not me who is saying this, it's them!
Re: Give Hamas your F16 and they'll give you their tomato tin rockets!
[info]jocarman wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 05:56 pm (UTC)
& when did the palestinian state ever exist? can you name any palestinian national ruler prior to 48? you want to resort to history but it always favours the strong. Palestine was never arab land even when they conquered it 1400 years ago, only after a few centuries of migration did it gain an extra arab dimension.
& who told you i'm a jew or a zionist? im neither, actually. States are not formed due to legitimacy but, unfortunately, to facts on the ground, same applies to Jordan which you attacked its king for having peace, which says how rational you are, of course you want the arabs to massacre the jews so you can revel & have a blast, but jews were always an integral part of that world & they lived amongst us in harmony till europeans came along, i know what arabs are saying, so why dont you let the arabs & the israelis settle it without your prejudist interference, they can settle it once both of them face the facts. & dont talk much about hamas, they are worse butchers than saddam, obviously you have no idea of arab history, so why dont you cool off a bit,..its you not them who is the cancer, get it?
Re: Give Hamas your F16 and they'll give you their tomato tin rockets!
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 06:40 pm (UTC)
The Palestinian state was colonised by Rule Britannia before handing it to the Jews in 1948. You must have learned your history from a colonial Imperialist, crusader country that invades over lies to these days and caused the death of a million Iraqis. You support an Arab dictator now in Jordan who makes peace with the jews for the past 20 years and still got his brothers in Palestine butchered. You hypocrite! why don't you too let the Sudanese and the Darfurians settle it without you prejudice interference, they can settle it once both of them face the facts. Hamas was recognised by even ex-colonial countries like Rule Britannia that it was democratically elected. AND IF YOU ARE NEITHER A JEW NOR A ZIONIST, YOU MUST BE AT LEAST AN APPOLOGIT FOR THEM!
AND WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF LOSE AN ARGUMENT, THEY START TO GET PERSONAL AND WISH PEOPLE CANCER!
Re: Give Hamas your F16 and they'll give you their tomato tin rockets!
[info]jocarman wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 06:52 pm (UTC)
the hypocrite & hate monger is you, when you are ither an arab, or at least a middle eastern resident, or a jew, come & discuss such topics, because it a waste of time arguing with fools & bigots.
palestinians are not my brothers, they scorn & despise all arabs if you had any clue, & they are not my brothers since they killed in cold blood some of my countrymen.
This discussion is about sudan & crimes in darfur,
so i got to thank you for proving how ignorant & hateful prejudists are, you can cook up history but your rhetoric & facts still fail miserably, & i will not answer to idiots & bigots like you again, you hve no clue about anything but full of hatred, so there isnt much brain activity going on up there, right?

Re: Give Hamas your F16 and they'll give you their tomato tin rockets!
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 07:10 pm (UTC)
You can't even read my articles properly, you ignorant. I never said Palestinians are your brothers and carry on being abusive when you loose an argument. Truth hurts, you ex-clolonial! living in a shell. You probably have never travelled abroad. You must read fascist newspapers like The Sun. Go and have cool beer!
Re: Give Hamas your F16 and they'll give you their tomato tin rockets!
[info]reemgaafar wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 07:36 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I don't mean to interrupt your brawl there but back to the main topic, as a Sudanese (muslim) I have seen first hand what our president has done, and yes there's a great big mess in Darfur and everywhere else in the country actually, but it's not half as bad as the media makes it out to be. We are living a VERY fragile state right now and this is just making it worse. As much as Al-Bashir deserves punishment, this is not the way to go about it, because things have improved alot in the past few months in Darfur although worsened in the capital BECAUSE of people making use of the instability and using it to their own means. I think Al-Bashir is being used as a scape-goat to save the international community face, and it's ridiculous that such a riot is being made about him when there are others who commit atrocities in front of the whole world without blinking and no one can even condemn them publicly, let alone arrest and judge. Mind, Al-Bashir is not at all popular in Sudan and a change is quite welcome, but too much is going on right now and this might be the straw that breaks the back of the camel and all hell will break loose.
Re: Give Hamas your F16 and they'll give you their tomato tin rockets!
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 08:38 pm (UTC)
Thank you reemgaafar and please tell that jocarman when there was ever any ex-colonial country that enslaved Africans, killed them and nicked their wealth that now they care and want to protect the Darfurians. Since when did the ex-British colonials wanted to defend African rights, be it in Zimbabwe or Darfur. Maybe since they had to leave Africa after they caused so much suffering and they still are to blame for Africa because they left dictators like Mugabe and Omar Al bashir rule.
Why Srilanka is not on the International agenda
[info]rajapakse1 wrote:
Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 03:40 pm (UTC)
In Srilanka currently 250,000 people trapped in the war zone with No medicine, No food Allowed, No International aid agencies to look after the refugees etc.

Two years ago 17 aid works from French NGO was killed on point blank range, yesterday an ICRC worked killed by govt shelling. NO Aid agencies, No Journalists, No UN everyone has been evicted from the North of the country by the Government.

Last month the government issued warning to the remaining minority tamil doctors (8 doctors) to leave the area and warrned ICRC to leave the the warzone, continually shelling the civilian safe zones Hospitals, churches etc

Everyday people are dying and no one to give voice to the inocent civilians who are caught up in the middle. The civilians who have fled the war zone into army controlled area have been kept in barbed wired detention centres / concentration camps (as Times described) with no outside contact or no international agencies /independent journalists allowed to witness the wellbeing of the civilians.

All these are carried out by the state where the president is the commander and chief of the armed forces and the world knows there is a systematic genocide and no one voice the concerns of the people.

ICC has to look into the attrocities happening in Srilanka, after yesterdays judgement with regards to Sudan the SL armed forces are scared of what has happend and issued the following

"Army Commander Lieutenant General Sarath Fonseka had today instructed ground Commanders in the Wanni that the future operations within the limited LTTE held area should be carried out taking all possible safety precautions since a large number of civilians held back by the LTTE are concentrated in the area, the Army Headquarters said. - Daily Mirror SL 04/03/2009

For more information on government attrocies and systematic genocide

www.genocide.org.uk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riots_and_pogroms_in_Sri_Lanka
http://www.tamilsforum.com/unspeakabletruth.html
www.tamilnet.com

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