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America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain

Decision to send Guantanamo inmates to British colony sours 'special relationship'

By Kim Sengupta

The secret deal allowing detainees from Guantanamo,to settle in tropical Bermuda was made without the knowledge of David Miliband,

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The secret deal allowing detainees from Guantanamo,to settle in tropical Bermuda was made without the knowledge of David Miliband,

Senior aides to President Barack Obama accompanied four Uighur prisoners as they were flown from Guantanamo Bay to the British colony of Bermuda, without the UK being informed, it was revealed yesterday.

In an escalating diplomatic row over the transfer of the former terrorist suspects, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton discussed the transfer with British Foreign Secretary David Miliband in what was said to be an uneasy conversation. Privately Whitehall officials accused America of treating Britain, with whom it is supposed to have a "special relationship", with barely disguised contempt.

One senior official said: "The Americans were fully aware of the foreign-policy understanding we have with Bermuda and they deliberately chose to ignore it. This is not the kind of behaviour one expects from an ally."

The prime minister of Bermuda, Ewart Brown, disclosed that talks regarding the Uighurs had been going on for a full month, with London kept in the dark. "Nothing like this happens overnight. We started these discussions the middle of May," he said. "You can understand that this matter is of such significance and why the talks had to be private and somewhat restricted." Those negotiations culminated in two White House aides, Greg Craig and Daniel Fried, flying to the island with the four prisoners on Thursday to ensure the transfer went smoothly.

The two men have key roles in the process of closing down the prison at Guantanamo Bay – an Obama election pledge. The programme to disperse the remaining inmates overseas is said to be taking place under the direction of the most senior members of the US administration.

Amid continuing recriminations over the transfer, the US State Department attempted to counter British criticism by claiming that talks had, in fact, been held with the office of the British governor in Bermuda prior to the inmates being sent to the island. An official in Washington said: "We did talk to them before the Uighurs got on the plane." This, however, was flatly denied by the governor, Sir Richard Gozney, who maintained yesterday: "We were only told this morning".

The secret deal allows the Uighurs – detained in Afghanistan and Pakistan in 2001 but who have since been deemed not to be enemy combatants – to settle in Bermuda. This raises the prospect of them getting British citizenship and right to travel (and technically settle) in the UK. However, they would not have the right to enter America without the express permission of the US government. The Bermudan premier denied that there had been any financial sweetener from Washington, and said that Bermuda was simply "playing the Good Samaritan" in recognition of its 400-hundred-year-old friendship with the United States.

However Bermuda is heavily dependent on commerce with the US. Almost 78 per cent of the island's main income – financial services – involves American companies; 90 per cent of its tourist industry, another major source of revenue, is also dependent on the US.

The four freed men – Abdul Nasser, Huzaifa Parhat, Abdul Semet and Jalal Jalaladin – said they were glad to be in Bermuda. "Growing up under communism we always dreamed of living in peace and working in a free society like this one. Today you have let freedom ring," Mr Nasser said in a statement.

The US had refused to send the men back to China because of the risk they may be tortured or executed. Beijing, which says the men are dangerous separatists, has complained that Washington has no right to hand its citizens to a third country and the Chinese government is said to be planning to request that Britain turn the men over.

Another 13 Uighurs from Guantanamo are being sent to another tiny island, Palau, in the Pacific. Its president, Johnson Toribiong, declared that accepting them was a "humanitarian gesture", although Washington is also reported to be giving his government $200m worth of aid.

The decision to resettle the men has aroused protests on both islands. In Palau, angry residents are said to have inundated the island's only newspaper to express their concern. In Bermuda, the opposition United Party condemned the " autocratic action".

It is unclear whether the Bermudan governor or the British government, can actually stop the island from giving the Uighurs citizenship.

A terse statement from the Foreign Office said: "The Bermuda government consider this to be a matter regarding their day-to-day responsibility for immigration. We have underlined to the Bermuda government that it should have consulted the UK on whether this falls within their competence or is a foreign affairs or security issue for which the Bermuda government do not have delegated responsibility." British diplomatic sources say that they do not foresee the Uighurs getting travel documents in the immediate future, while talks continue in Bermuda.

Who are the Uighurs and where are they going?

*The Chinese Uighurs are a Turkic ethnic group. They mainly live in the western province of Xinjiang, which accounts for 16 per cent of China's land mass and is the home of the ancient city of Kashgar, once a key destination on the Silk Road.

*Beijing's plans to modernise Kashgar have left the Uighurs fearful that this will result in the destruction of their culture. The government says ancient buildings in the city are unsafe and need to be replaced, but residents see this as culture imperialism.

*The Uighurs have long protested against Chinese rule. The government in Beijing claims the Uighur separatist movement was responsible for 162 deaths and 200 attacks between 1990 and 2001.

*Four Uighurs – whose birthplace is about as far away from the ocean as it is possible to be – have been flown to Bermuda, an archipelago consisting of around 138 islands. It has a population of 65,000 and the third-highest per capita income in the world.

*Britain's oldest colony, Bermuda is a picturesque tourist destination that also plays host to a powerful offshore financial industry, as well as Hollywood stars such as Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta-Jones.

*On the trip to Bermuda, the Uighurs were given ties and taught how to knot them. They were also lent phones with which to contact family and friends. According to their lawyers, only two speak English and it is hoped they will teach the other two.

Toby Green

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Hehehe, poor little Milly - he thought he was so important
[info]seraskier wrote:
Friday, 12 June 2009 at 11:34 pm (UTC)
but they didn't even bother to tell him what was going on.

Oh dear. He'll be fwightfully upset. He thought he was their loyal chum and faithful servant.
Re: Hehehe, poor little Milly - he thought he was so important
[info]m_burnstein wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 12:05 am (UTC)
You seem strangely detached from what happens to your own country. Assuming you are a British citizen.
Re: Hehehe, poor little Milly - he thought he was so important - [info]ydef - Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 04:24 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Hehehe, poor little Milly - he thought he was so important - [info]ydef - Wednesday, 24 June 2009 at 03:15 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Hehehe, poor little Milly - he thought he was so important - [info]ydef - Wednesday, 24 June 2009 at 10:24 am (UTC) Expand
With 'Friends' Like America - Who Needs Enemies - [info]mike4626 - Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 07:01 am (UTC) Expand
Re: With 'Friends' Like England - Who Needs Enemies - [info]irelady - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 12:13 pm (UTC) Expand
Realpolitik
[info]m_burnstein wrote:
Friday, 12 June 2009 at 11:57 pm (UTC)
Geopolitics is conducted on the basis of national self-interest and not romanticism.
Besides, plausible deniability is a powerful defense.
I've no problem with the bermudans taking them
[info]maverickbar wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 01:51 am (UTC)
As long as all bermudans are stripped of british citizenship and the right to british citizenship that is.
Skipping out on a debt of honour
[info]s1m0nn wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 02:04 am (UTC)
It's a shameful act on the part of the US. This was an American debt of honour: it was the US which wronged these innocent men by having them kidnapped, held for years without cause, perhaps tortured, and finally by making it impossible for them to ever return to their homes and families.

The appropriate way to make amends for this abuse was to grant them political refuge in the USA. Failure to do so is one more stain on the nation's honour.
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour
[info]oszkowice wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 02:42 am (UTC)
What honour?
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]sallyfarrer - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 05:14 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]fourpie - Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 06:35 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]drider123 - Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 01:53 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]chanch5 - Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 05:27 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]drider123 - Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 06:43 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]chanch5 - Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 07:07 pm (UTC) Expand
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Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]chanch5 - Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 08:46 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]drider123 - Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 11:34 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]s1m0nn - Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 11:59 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]drider123 - Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 10:52 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]s1m0nn - Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 11:06 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]drider123 - Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 11:34 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]s1m0nn - Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 05:01 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]indi3568 - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 04:48 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]florida_west1 - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 05:46 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]retiredat44 - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 08:17 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Skipping out on a debt of honour - [info]sartime - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 03:29 am (UTC) Expand
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Amer
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 02:23 am (UTC)
"...This is not the kind of behaviour one expects from an ally.

That is correct, this is the sort of treatment one gets from America who treats its allies like dirt once they have crossed the threshold into client state as we have...
Re: Amer
[info]allison11 wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 04:22 pm (UTC)
They don't need to go to the USA. They need to go someplace else. The USA already takes in too many of the worlds problems IMHO.

http://www.TheCommentDepot.com
One way ticket to Amerika
[info]oszkowice wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 02:41 am (UTC)
Stick them on a plane and send them to the US.
America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain
[info]lalith_kalum wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 02:54 am (UTC)
In April 2009, D. Miliband went to Sri Lanka to seek help for LTTE terrorist leaders for a safe passage to a third country before being killed by Sri Lankan Army. He had full support from Secretary of State H. Clinton in his efforts. In Sri Lanka, he was accused of aiding and abating terrorists and posters went up in Colombo protesting his visit. Also, he is acting as a human rights champion and instrumantal in trying to pass a resolution in UN Human Rights council in Geneva recently against Sri Lanka which failed. So why is he upset on this issue. He should be happy, if he is a true human rights champion. Bermuda was removed from OECD Gray list and moved to White list just 2 days ago. We could assume that this was the gift she received by helping USA in this issue. UK was trying to keep Bermuda on the Gray list to help London Financial Center. I am sure Mr. Miliband must be shocked how he was treated by Bermuda. Hope these 4 persons won't appear on London streets soon!!!!!!!!!
Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain
[info]chanch5 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 03:14 am (UTC)
Which 4 persons? (You don't mean Miliband, Clinton and..who else?!! :) )

What do you think might happen on London's streets? Litter? Indecent exposure?

The US isn't even accusing them of anything, but you are?
Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain - [info]koko1990 - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 10:16 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: America's 'Bermuda solution' angers Britain - [info]chanch5 - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 11:03 am (UTC) Expand
Wrong profession...
[info]santinox wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 03:43 am (UTC)
Looking at the picture, i think i chose the wrong profesion, should have been a chinese (alleged) terrorist...
Re: Wrong profession...
[info]chanch5 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 07:12 pm (UTC)
If you fancy spending seven years in inhumane conditions before that; maybe never seeing your homeland again, etc....
Re: Wrong profession... - [info]hockeydad82 - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 04:22 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Wrong profession... - [info]chanch5 - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 04:38 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Wrong profession... - [info]chanch5 - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 04:45 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Wrong profession... - [info]hockeydad82 - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 05:53 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Wrong profession... - [info]chanch5 - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 10:34 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Wrong profession... - [info]ydef - Wednesday, 24 June 2009 at 03:28 am (UTC) Expand
Simon
[info]simcon123 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 05:11 am (UTC)
The British should handover the 4 muslims back to China. This will show the Americans how Britain can also act unilaterally and not do America's bidding.
Re: Simon
[info]beau_2 wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 03:47 pm (UTC)
That is exactly what should happen if the Bermudans don't get their own justice by eliminating them.
Who do You believe?
[info]fourpie wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 06:27 am (UTC)
As I understand it, none of these men have been found guilty in a court of law. They were probably in the wrong place at the wrong time, kidnapped for the bounty available at the time. People are reacting with unjustified fear. What powers of disruption will these men have in Bermuda, even if they have any spirit left to raise a fight after all they have been through. They deserve and need somewhere to live peaceably.
Phil
Andover
UK
Re: Who do You believe?
[info]beau_2 wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 03:44 pm (UTC)
These men were involved in guerrilla warfare. They are not criminals; courts do not apply. American laws do not have jurisdiction on foreign soil. These men were POWs and not entitled to civil or criminal proceedings.
Re: Who do You believe? - [info]dowjd - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 04:14 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Who do You believe? - [info]inthisdimension - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 05:31 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Who do You believe? - [info]fourpie - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 08:31 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Who do You believe? - [info]inthisdimension - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 05:06 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Who do You believe? - [info]fourpie - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 08:35 pm (UTC) Expand
wake up
[info]brinksman wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 07:03 am (UTC)
Catch yourself on. America will always do what's right for America; Britain has been doing it for centuries.
Re: wake up
[info]inthisdimension wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 07:54 pm (UTC)
Yeah, well, America didn't do this - Obama did. Be prudent to keep that in mind as increasing numbers of polls show at accelerating rates the Americans can't stand what the Obamoron is doing to our economy and our allies.... just too bad the voted for the thug.
Re: wake up - [info]sallyfarrer - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 05:15 am (UTC) Expand
Re: wake up - [info]chanch5 - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 10:59 am (UTC) Expand
Now U Know
[info]stickytruth2 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 08:11 am (UTC)
What with the disarray within the HoC for many years including the Conservatives, we know who runs UK.
Suggest your readers get the data on The Spy Who Loves me, then wake up to the facts who runs the control of the world.
Get wise the Americans have not friends at all, only wimps who are in their pocket.
Re: Now U Know
[info]burmashaver wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 11:15 pm (UTC)
I think what you mean to say is:
Get wise. The Americans have not friends at all, only wimps who are in their pockets.
Note the final "s."
What a coincidence
[info]josecomacho wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 12:54 pm (UTC)
Wow, Bermuda accept four prisoners from Guantanamo at the same time they are taken off the OECD's grey list and moved to the white list.
Get back at them
[info]jack_dawes wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 01:20 pm (UTC)
Maybe the UK government should just dump all our undesirables in Hawaii or Guam without asking first.
Re: Get back at them
[info]drider123 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 02:01 pm (UTC)
Actually Hawaii would be hands off sir, it is a state of the Union.
Guam is a decent choice although I think Pureto Rico would be better or better yet...Pakistan so we could police them up at a later date when they join the battlefield.
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Re: Get back at them - [info]ydef - Wednesday, 24 June 2009 at 04:03 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Get back at them - [info]chanch5 - Wednesday, 24 June 2009 at 04:08 am (UTC) Expand
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Bermuda Resettlement
[info]miker201 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 03:15 pm (UTC)
Once again the Americans have rode roughshod over an ally. I would hope that realization has set in regarding the "special realationship." I don't think the previous US administration would have done such a thing. I expected better from Obama.
Re: Bermuda Resettlement
[info]drider123 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 07:08 pm (UTC)
I wholeheartedly agree with you sir with the exception of the "I expected more from Obama".
It is the little things that can be very telling, as far as the USA's relations with the UK let us ring off a few examples of why this shouldn't be a surprise.

1.The immediate return of the Churchill bust from the White house.
This is a little detail in which I, am American was irritated with being Churchill of the best stock that the UK has produced, who was as unflagging beacon of strength, guts and wisdom, hence...it had to go.

2.The initial, ahem, visit of PM Brown to the USA after Obama entered the White House,the visit came off as PM Brown having to ...Beg....for a proper reception and to top it off, a staffer literally had to run down to the gift shop to grab that cheesy DVD gift.
As much as this "should" have angered what I would imagine to be a normal everyday Briton....It pissed me off me/us off to know small degree also.

3.First Lady Obama, mauling the Queen of England and ignoring any shred of protcol in doing so, the Queen was naturally her gracious self in not making a big deal of it.

4.Once again, excluding the Queen from a prestigous event of which she traditionally, has always attended just recently,I'm sorry I don't know the event at this time, it slips my memory.

Now these are four examples, as small as they may be of Obama flagrantly dissing our allies....you in the UK and as much as I find it irritating, I'm at a loss as to why he is doing it, with that being said.It don't expect "better" from mister Obama in regards to our long time allies.....you.
Re: Bermuda Resettlement - [info]inthisdimension - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 05:34 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Bermuda Resettlement - [info]sc341 - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 07:25 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Bermuda Resettlement - [info]ydef - Wednesday, 24 June 2009 at 04:09 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Bermuda Resettlement - [info]ydef - Wednesday, 24 June 2009 at 05:15 am (UTC) Expand
Obama the rat
[info]terry_hamblin wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 04:17 pm (UTC)
Let's stop fighting America's war for the and bring the troops back from Afghanistan.
Re: Obama the rat
[info]screwobama wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 03:40 pm (UTC)
You brits were all so crazy for Obama. Well, you see how we feel now. He campaigned he was going to improve how the world views America. Now all he does is pander to our enemies and turn his back on our allies.
Re: Obama the rat - [info]sftech - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 05:21 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Obama the rat - [info]inthisdimension - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 05:08 pm (UTC) Expand
sack him
[info]sparkozy wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 08:16 pm (UTC)
The governor of Bermuda should be sacked immediately for failing to consult with the British govt over this matter. Personally I feel sorry for the Uygers in general because they suffer as much persecution in China as the Tibetans -- unfortunately for them they are Muslims so unlike the Tibetans they don't get any sympathy.

I suspect there is a big chance that the ones caught by US forces were indeed training with al-Qaeda, tho not to attack the US but to plan attacks in China.

That still does not excuse the back-stabbing US administration which should have consulted directly with the Foreign Office in London. Sack that sack of shit governor in Bermuda NOW!
Re: sack him
[info]dowjd wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 04:38 pm (UTC)
"I suspect there is a big chance that the ones caught by US forces were indeed training with al-Qaeda, tho not to attack the US but to plan attacks in China."

I agree with you 100%.

As for the "back-stabbing US administration" as an American, I have to appologize. The UK should not have been shafted like that. Not a long standing ally.
Bermuda
[info]rex123 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 08:46 pm (UTC)
Britain is famous for its legal system - Bermuda is your colony - so if it is possible to take measures legally - do it, if impossible - what are you talking about? Why then do you need them (Bermuda) if they disregard you in such a way?
Hubbell
[info]writewinger wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 02:42 pm (UTC)
Great Britain should send some Moslem Community Organizers to speak with Obama about it...he might listen to them.

As a citizen of the former USA and now of the USSA, I would just like to point out that the new regime here doesn't care about loyalties or alliances...just what is politically expedient and what will collapse the economy the fastest so they can nationalize industries and socialize services. The United States as it once was, is no more....and hopefully the Creep in Chief won't do irreversible damage before we get a chance to replace him in 2012.
[info]hawkije wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 02:46 pm (UTC)
I really get sick of you Liberal A$$CLOWNS talking about how bad or wrong America is. You didn't seem to mind when we intervened in WWI or WWII. Maybe we should have stayed home; I mean what is the worst that could have happened? After all the Liberals probably could have gotten Adolph to stop by sitting down and having Tea with him. Just like that works with all the radical Islamists.
[info]indics wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 05:11 pm (UTC)
You did not intervene in ww1 until too late,(the first us troops arrived in europe in June 1918) and as for your efforts in ww2 just money and weapons and looters. The US were the last off the beach on d-day when the Canadians and the brits were al;ready half way to Paris, oh and it was down to you idiots that the russians got to berlin first, which pretty well makes the cold war your fault.
Now you have a socialist govt. With friends like you at the moment who needs enemies.
(no subject) - [info]inthisdimension - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 05:47 pm (UTC) Expand
And you sir, are a moron. - [info]ydef - Wednesday, 24 June 2009 at 05:24 am (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]bobco12 - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 03:40 am (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]chanch5 - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 11:13 am (UTC) Expand
Aren't you glad Obama brought Change?
[info]freedomcost wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 02:47 pm (UTC)
Who knew 5 months of Hope and Change can undue over a century of close alliance and friendship?
Ironically Europe has woken up quicker to who and what Obama stands for. Quick hint: Any judeo-christian white male heritage and government can sit on the curbside. Obama will provide Middle East Peace for he truly is the Messiah by promoting his soaring speeches that will bring forth new governments in Lebanon and Iran, for He has said it Shall Be....(and CNN said so to...)

Slowly the tide is turning against his radical agenda, but unfortunately we have to wait until 2010 Congressional elections to stem the vast majority that the Democrats have in power. Only until Congress can implement a veto proof check on the executive branch will some form of rational normalcy return.

Until then, I wish Great Britain good luck.
Re: Aren't you glad Obama brought Change?
[info]dowjd wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 04:26 pm (UTC)
2010? Not going to happen. I doubt WE will return to the founding fathers version of America. Liberal (socialist) Democrats have succeeded in "Stupidizing" the people, not to mention gaining all power through the use of: illegal aliens, the media, Unions, Educators, political groups, Elitist politicians, The Courts, etc...

I fear America is in the beginning of collapse. As Rome fell so shall we.
Decision to send Guantanamo inmates to British colony sours 'special relationship'
[info]hockeydad82 wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 02:52 pm (UTC)
Not in my backyard, eh UK? I thought these were persecuted innocents? LOL You won't be seeing me in Bermuda anytime soon. Say goodbye to your tourism biz. What a joke
Guantanamo inmantes to Bermuda
[info]mahalo1 wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 02:56 pm (UTC)
Sorry Britain. The U.S. Administration continues to slap our friends (Great Britain and Israel) in the face. Don't give up on our historical friendship. Hopefully the U.S. will choose better leadership next time around. Many U.S. citizens are ashamed of how our country is treating our allies.
UIGERS
[info]mkjoh wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 02:57 pm (UTC)
Yup - Allies - how's that hope & change workin' for ya? Don't feel bad, it's not workin' here either.
Re: UIGERS
[info]bwi30 wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 03:56 pm (UTC)
Everyone disliked Bush "cowboy diplomacy", how do you like Obama "Chicago mob" diplomacy???

What's the difference between God and Obama? God doesn't think he is Obama.

Damn Obama (Again?!)
[info]crazy_tuba wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 03:04 pm (UTC)

Man he has done it again! I would like to apologise for our idiot president. He clearly has no respect for Britain and that really chaps my hide. Treating one of the only 'friends' we have in the world this way is unacceptable. As you are all clearly aware not all of us voted for him so don't hate us all. Trust me this is not going over well here in the states either (although for different reasons). Please just stay with us for a couple more years until this communist is out of office.
Re: Damn Obama (Again?!)
[info]m3dinan wrote:
Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 01:55 am (UTC)
I concur. Obama is destroying our relationship with our two greatest allies; Britain and Israel. This Statest/Authoritarianism is completely ridiculous. Frankly as an American I feel embarrassed that this even happened.
Re: Damn Obama (Again?!) - [info]sanke1111 - Tuesday, 16 June 2009 at 02:45 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Damn Obama (Again?!) - [info]ydef - Wednesday, 24 June 2009 at 05:26 am (UTC) Expand
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