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Inside the mind of the army killer

David Usborne on Nidal Hasan's path from hospital psychiatrist to global notoriety

Major Hasan

REX

There were pressures simmering somewhere in Major Hasan

In the morning, he went to the corner shop where he lived near Fort Hood to buy coffee. Security video shows him exchanging chit-chat and smiling. In the afternoon, he went to a squat building inside the military facility filled with fellow soldiers preparing to deploy. He pulled out two handguns, and yelled "Allahu Akbar!" – God is great! – and he opened fire. The carnage was quick and terrible: 13 lay dead or dying. Thirty more were wounded.

For a few hours late on Thursday, it seemed this would follow the usual sad script of shooting tragedies in America. The "monster" assailant would turn the weapon on himself or be instantly gunned down by others. But Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist with the rank of major, survived. Felled on the scene by bullets fired by a civilian police officer, he was last night in a stable condition and on a respirator.

So there will be no quick dispatching of 39-year-old Major Hasan, raised in Virginia to Palestinian immigrant parents, into the darker corners of American history. Though not yet well enough to be interviewed, he may one day provide answers to questions that for now seem impossible. What short-circuit occurred in his brain that brought him to this, and when? What were these killings for? Yes, pieces of his past speak of a conflicted and disgruntled soul. He was serious and a loner. That fits the profile. But who saw anything to suggest a capacity to commit evil on this scale? His one-man rampage, committed after the lunch-hour at the Soldier Readiness Centre on the largest military base in the world – the young men and women were queuing up for medical shots for Iraq and Afghanistan, no doubt contemplating the perils that lay ahead – plunged a nation into shock. The damage he may have done to Muslim community relations not just inside the military but all across America cannot yet be calculated. And there is no fathoming, of course, the loss brought upon the families of those whose lives were so abruptly taken away.

It would be most convenient to describe what happened as another terrorist attack on America. As the investigation into the shootings got off the ground yesterday, led jointly by military intelligence and the FBI, the search for any possible links between Major Hasan and overseas or domestic terror groups is certain to intensify. But there is no early evidence of any such ties.

Nevertheless, reports quickly surfaced that Major Hasan had come to the attention of counter-terror officers six months ago because of a posting on a website where someone with the same name favourably compared a soldier who throws himself on a grenade to protect his comrades with Islamist suicide bombers. It was the kind of post that always sets off alarm bells if they are spotted.

"If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory," the man wrote. It has not yet been confirmed that the two Hasans were the same.

A broader portrait was meanwhile becoming visible as new details emerged yesterday. One of three siblings born in Arlington, Virginia, Nidal Hasan joined the army as a teen straight out of high school. (It was a choice his parents, both of whom are now dead, disapproved of.) He made a familiar kind of deal: if the army paid for his higher education, he would serve in its ranks for a determined number of years thereafter.

He won a bachelors degree at Virginia Tech – the scene, as it happens, of America's worst-ever killing spree in 2007 when a lone gunmen massacred 32 – and then went on to train in medicine and psychiatry at a military teaching hospital in Bethesda, Maryland, outside Washington.

From there, Mr Hasan was transferred to the biggest and most important of America's veterans' hospitals, the Walter Reed Medical Centre in Washington, where he remained for six years first as an intern then finally as a full partner helping a team of psychiatrists treat soldiers.

The suffering he witnessed – he spoke to one family member of a patient who was so badly burned it was as if his skin had melted from his face – would tax anyone's emotions. By the time Major Hasan reported for duty at Fort Hood in July this year, several things had apparently come together in his head. He wanted out of the military. He disapproved of the missions of the US military in Iraq and in Afghanistan. He was disappointed that Barack Obama was stepping up engagement in the latter. Under no circumstances was he ready to be deployed himself.

That he may have been troubled while at Walter Reed is not a surprise to some who knew him. At a community mosque in Silver Spring, he mostly kept to himself, though he did enrol in a dating service there. "He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry," Faizul Khan, a former Imam there, commented. "I don't think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions."

A former superior officer at Walter Reed, meanwhile, acknowledged anonymously that issues with Major Hasan's performance in the psychiatry unit had arisen in his years there, and that he had been put under special supervision. He had also been heard voicing his misgivings about the war in Iraq and getting into arguments with fellow soldiers, which carried on at Fort Hood.

Retired Army Colonel Terry Lee told Fox News he had worked with Major Hasan, who apparently had been "hoping that President Obama would pull troops out". He added: "When things weren't going that way, he became more agitated, more frustrated with the conflicts over there. He made his views well known about how he felt about the US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan."

So there were pressures simmering somewhere in Major Hasan. An aunt, Noel Hasan, who lives in northern Virginia, told the Washington Post that after 9/11, her nephew had endured taunting inside the Army because of his religion. It had started to wear him down. "I know what that is like," she said. "Some people can take it, and some cannot. He wanted out of the military, and they would not let him leave, even after he offered to repay" for his medical training.

"He did not make friends fast," his aunt noted. A former classmate on a public health course he finished in 2008, Dr Val Finnell, told reporters, "he made himself a lightning rod for things" when he felt his religious beliefs were challenged.

Apparently the avenues to leaving the army were nonetheless all blocked to Major Hasan. At Fort Hood he was assigned duties similar to those at Walter Reed, once more looking after stressed soldiers returning from the war zones.

In the summer, meanwhile, Hasan had a run-in with another soldier to do with his Muslim faith and possibly the views he had expressed about US policy in Iraq. The latter allegedly ripped a sticker from Major Hasan's car that said "Allah is Love" and scratched it with a key causing $1,000 in damage. The case was referred for prosecution.

His stress was to spike, however, when he learnt his time had come to go overseas. "He was doing everything he could to avoid that," a cousin in Virginia, Nader Hasan, told The New York Times. "He wanted to do whatever he could within the rules to make sure he wouldn't go over." According to reports from the base yesterday, the orders had already been given. Major Hasan, a very reluctant warrior, was bound for Afghanistan.

Just this Wednesday, the man who was later caught smiling in the grocery shop, was knocking on the door of his neighbour, Patricia Villa, in the off-base apartment complex where he lived, offering her spinach from his freezer. The reason: his deployment orders had come. His landlord, Jose Padilla, said he refused to take his deposit and last month's rent cheque back, asking that the $400 [£250] should go to someone who "needed it".

Major Hasan knew his days in that apartment were over. Perhaps those gestures indicate that he also knew his impending departure from his small home had little to do with Afghanistan – and was instead the first step on a path of madness he was about to take into the pages of America's lengthening book of mass-murdering infamy.

Dangerous mind: Hasan's praise for suicide bombers

Well before Thursday's attack, the FBI had become aware of a web user with the login NidalHasan. He posted the following message to the website Scribd on 20 July:

There was a grenade thrown amongst a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was too late for everyone to flee, jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He intentionally took his life for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldiers. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. It's more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralleled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the kamikazees in Japan. They died to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy if you want, but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars' main point is that "IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE" and Allah knows best.

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A cold-blooded murderer
[info]violetsmart wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 02:28 am (UTC)
Yes, the man was sorely troubled, a fanatic Muslim and fearful of going to Afghanistan. But he did not suffer from a sudden, psychotic break. No.

I detect premeditation when he wrote: "Scholars have paralleled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."

No doubt he felt he was killing "enemy soldiers" when he opened fire.

Then, there's the fact--reported on TV and maybe truthful--that he bought the weapons he fired in August.

This was a premeditated and cold operation, not that of a man suddenly gone berserk. He was ready for when or if his deployment orders came. He was going to take revenge, not only on those who had made of fun of him for being a Muslim, but also on those who had refused to give him a discharge.

Major Hasan is a cold-blooded murderer, plain and simple.
1.3 million dead in Iraq...
[info]freddyfresh wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 09:17 am (UTC)
Is cold blooded murder, let's get a bit of perspective on this issue. All armed forces are killing machines, in that respect, there's no difference between the Taliban or US grunts.
Re: A cold-blooded murderer
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 12:13 pm (UTC)

All soldiers are trained to be cold blooded killers. The US soldiers, UK soldiers, the tTaliban, the Northern Afghan soldiers, the Iraqi soldiers, all of them...
Re: A cold-blooded murderer
[info]violetsmart wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 12:23 pm (UTC)
corporeal: Yes, all soldiers are trained to be cold blooded killers, but of the "enemy."

You are ignoring the very tight bonds of camaraderie built between members of the military (can't speak for the Taliban because of my ignorance). These bonds are so tight that often soldiers re-enlist and go back to the hell they left out of love and a sense of obligation to their fellow comrades-at-arms.

In the case of Hasan, obviously this bond did not exist for a number of reasons.
Re: A cold-blooded murderer
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 12:40 pm (UTC)

You are looking at the smaller picture.

We all of mankind are from one ancient mother (DNA lineage), where members of our family went to different parts of the world.

Our human comaraderie should be to humanity not to nationalism. Nationalism is a recent invention and can cause a great deal of killing.

So when I talk about soldiers being murderers, I am thinking about the killing of other humans on the instruction of a leader.

When the war is a real war, then the killing is necessary. When its an illegal invasion for control of energy resources and regions of the world, the soldiers become pawns and murderers.

Soldiers are human, they are not robots. They will have to answer to the Almighty for thier actions - if they have murdered with their soldiers uniform that will not be accepted by the Almighty as a valid reason to kill - God doesnt looks upon man as nations, He sees us as children of Adam (Not American, British, Afghans etc in His eyes).

Even if you are a disbeliever, I am sure you have enough of an imagination, to see that we are one family of mankind, with recent separation (perhaps last 6000 years) into national divisions. We are killing each other for resources and regional control.
Re: A cold-blooded murderer
[info]violetsmart wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 01:06 pm (UTC)
Yes, indeed, you're quite right. I am looking at the small picture, focusing solely on the Ft. Hood episode.

At the next level of analysis, before the invasion of Iraq, I railed at the lies and propaganda based on deliberate misinformation, and predicted what came to pass.

As for your high level of analysis, I eschew attributing intentions to the Almighty.
Re: A cold-blooded murderer
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 02:17 pm (UTC)

I am pleasaed to hear that you also considered the bigger picture. And that you were against these illegal invasions from the beginning.

The books of God are primarly concerned with the topic of relationships; between you and God, your parents, your family, your neighbours, the needy and mankind.

We also know that this life is not the final destination, its a testing ground. We will be judged for our actions, conduct and intentions in this life. We also know that God has no association with a particular race (as the Jews have assumed), He sees us as children of Adam, irrespective of colour or passport we hold. So we know a lot about the rules and guidance from the Almighty*, all of which He has revealed to us in His books.

*Dont get me wrong, I am not claiming we understand God - we just know about His attributes.
Re: A cold-blooded murderer
[info]slaveweknow wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 10:19 pm (UTC)
new lie from FBI.
Revelation 13:9-14:8.....(10)if anyone will kill with the sword,he must be killed with the sword.
Revelation 19:11-20:6...(15)And out of his mouth there protrudes a sharp long sword,that he may strike the nation with it.
thanks God who gave us the power to see.
the "long sword" is the internet that we can use ,no one can keep misleading us for long time,hate is growing up in the world by the greedy politician who invade others using lies as in Iraq,Afghanistan and even with this FBI story.
In dirty job, one can justify anything to reach his plan,behind each reason there is another season what me and the readers do not know.
The Jordanian doctor last years was accused for plans of terror,then this year court said he is innocent,do not give the word more than it can take (no spices).
Re: A cold-blooded murderer
[info]slaveweknow wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 09:27 pm (UTC)
not the only lie from FBI.
Re: A cold-blooded murderer
[info]slaveweknow wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 09:38 pm (UTC)
"cold-blooded murderer"
have you seen Goldstone report ? about Israeli armed forces in Gaza ? all people are equal but some are more equal than others.

G.Orwell.
Time for USA to have one stander for justice.
this story have a big question for USA and Mr Obama.
It's not working
[info]donotvote wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 04:53 am (UTC)

How many shooters? Was it one or two or three? Was he dead for a few hours and risen? A hatchet job like this within a little over 24hours of such confusion just adds to suspicions. Stop it.
Just your garden variety fragging
[info]find_empire wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 07:58 am (UTC)
Fragging is part and parcel of Yank imperial wars gone bad. When Yank soldiers start getting slaughtered, they start fragging their officers or each other. The only thing that's interesting about this fragging was that it was an officer fragging soldiers and not the other way around.

More myths are being woven around the incident than you can swing a cat at. One is of course the time-honored "magic bullet" myth that is reincarnated in various shapes & sizes to explain away a technical impossibility, namely in this case the 200 rounds that the fragging major supposedly fired with this little old semi-automatic (the other gun was a six-shooter revolver):



Hasan was a pretty good shot, considering he shot the cop who finally got him 4 times, but 200 rounds with a 20-round gun in the biggest army base of the Yank empire? Pull the other one. The truth is that the Fearless-Fosdick-like trigger-happy antics of Yank cops helped Hasan in his attempt to break the body count record. Even the base commander accepted that the notion of a single shooter committing the entire slaughter was "counter intuitive." Guinness authorities should exercise extra vigilance before accepting the score.

Re: Just your garden variety fragging
[info]lkdamo wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 03:32 pm (UTC)
10 reloads in the amount of time he had, was possible.
Although the reconstruction will be interesting.

Sounds like there were enough of them to try and rush him.
Maybe they had read his peice on grenade jumping and didn't want to get confused with suicide bombers, so they ran away.
Re: Just your garden variety fragging
[info]lkdamo wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 04:11 pm (UTC)
Just to be pedantic, it can hold a 30 round clip, so that would be 6 reloads, if he had the 10 round extention.
If the NRA had it's way he could have declared a second amendment holiday.
Re: Just your garden variety fragging
[info]diegorr4 wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 01:28 pm (UTC)
I promise you will find (sadly in a few years when the actual reports are finally fully leaked) that a good portion of injured and dead were friendly fire.
Remember the MP's thought one of the guys they shot dead was the shooter, and there were at least six and perhaps more MP's and base police who actually fired their weapons.
Re: Just your garden variety fragging
[info]slaveweknow wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 10:40 pm (UTC)
this remind me with 11/9 magic collapse for twin tower?
satan may be there?
see revelation 2:25-3:17....part 9 page 1527.
He was fed up with the US killing innocent muslims
[info]freddyfresh wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 09:10 am (UTC)
across the world. There are at least 1.3 million civilians dead in Iraq. Most of the people in Afghanistan are now worse off than they were under the Taliban, including all Afghan women. The US is an imperialist nation, stealing all the resources from the world under the guise of the 'war on terror'. It makes me feel sick.
Re: He was fed up with the US killing innocent muslims
[info]givesometruth wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 12:02 pm (UTC)
the comments on this event seem divided between those who see a connection between the overwhelming violence used by the American military, Britain and others and the violence of the Major...and those who dont..
What to me is sicker, or at least more disturbing, is not the imperialism of America but the apologists in our countries, in the media,in politics etc who haven't understood violence only breeds more violence. We are in the 21st century by date, technology etc but in terms of international relations we are stuck in the 19th or before..
Specifically what are Nato soldiers doing In Afganistan-other than killing and alienating the local population and tragically being killed in return-most informed reports regard it as a civil conflict with little connection to the supposed 'international terrorism.'
see Robert Greenwalds new film Rethink Afganistan.Peace
Re: He was fed up with the US killing innocent muslims
[info]londonrebel wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 10:20 pm (UTC)
No, he was perhaps fed up with the US killing muslims, both innocent and guilty, but not just the innocent. Of the 1.3 million dead in Iraq, the majority are muslim victims of muslim violence; but let's just all blame the yanks why not. But what would Hasan have said about muslim on muslim violence? Nothing probably. He probably wouldn't have gone on an anti-Taleban protest march if they had remained in power to tyrannise Afghans because they are muslims and possibly irreproachable as a result. The world is black and white for people like Hasan: the infidel are bad and always worse than the very worst Taleban. How did he feel on 11 September 2001? We may find out as another story seems to be developing there: it appears he was stooging around the same Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia at the same time as two of the 9/11 terrorists....

Being a psychiatrist and a muslim is a difficult undertaking; one is a European and god-less discipline where man's behaviour is explained by his most basic impulses; the other sees the hand of god in all things and cannot countenance the absence of a deity in human life at its most elemental level. How did Hasan square that one? Bound to create tension and frustration. And the US military is a curious destination for someone so opposed to the US being an 'imperialist nation' bent on stealing all of the world's resources. The man was in the wrong culture and the wrong land; he did not belong in America.
Re: He was fed up with the US killing innocent muslims
[info]freddyfresh wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 09:59 am (UTC)
@london'rebel'
Your comment is gibberish at best.

""1.3 million dead in Iraq, the majority are muslim victims of muslim violence.""

I would love to see some actual statistical evidence for your massive assumption. Clearly you forget the Falluja massacre where thousands of innocent civilians (or rag heads to the likes of scum like yourself) were blown apart by US troops.

What about all the YouTube videos where you can see US grunts laughing whilst shooting women and children?
Re: He was fed up with the US killing innocent muslims
[info]diegorr4 wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 01:38 pm (UTC)
lonfonrebel, you post makes no sense. and it is clear you don't know the facts. Hasan was born in the USA.

And you are the one coloring the world black and white.
Hasan was much less a product Islam than he was a product of the US military.

Do you realize he has been a US soldier for 21 YEARS.

Literally everything you blamed his behavior on is wrong, it can be explained by being a US solder.

The big mass killings in the US have almost all been current and former US soldiers.

Are you going to explain that fundamentalist Christian Timothy McVeigh was informed by his Christianity?
The reasons
[info]bleedingekk wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 10:46 am (UTC)
Sorry to all those affected by this slaughter.

The reasons behind this shooting are many in my opinion. Firstly I don't think this guy had a full deck of cards upstairs. He had distracted himself by reading pro-muslim propaganda and he was now being forced to fight his 'brothers'over in Iraq. What he did was insane and he was indeed insane at the time. This had little or nothing to do with muslim fundamentalism. The man was sick!

Re: The reasons
[info]amansaman4athat wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 12:32 pm (UTC)
When do targets become legitimate targets in a war?

I'm just asking because it all seems to be a bit of a grey area. I can't seem to find the rule book for warfare in the shops. Does anyone else have a copy and if so can they clear up this confusion? Also can you tell me if the USA and UK have a copy of the rules to warfare because there seems to be all sorts of confusion over issuse such as not shooting or blowing up civilians, torture, pre-emptive strikes, occupation etc.

Everyone seems to be working to a different script. Can someone please have a word with the combatants, i think we need to lay some ground rules here. For a start i think it is important that a government doesn't lie to it's public or stage a disaster in order to pursuade them to go to war.

Its funny how there are so many stories in the media in the USA with titles such as 'into the mind of a suicide bomber' as if murderous suicidal acts are a foreign phenomena to the USA. Japan had kamikazee pliots, the middle east has suicide bombers, the americans have people who go on shooting sprees against their own people.

It's some world they're creating.
Re: The reasons
[info]diegorr4 wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 01:48 pm (UTC)
Suicide attacks were invented by Europeans, Just check wilkipeia there is a whole litany of properly sourced and referenced history on it.

In terms of what is a legitimate target or method there is no agreement. Asymmetric warfare conducted by the weaker party is always considered legitimate by the stronger party. In the US revolution the colonists were in fact committing legal treason, huge numbers of their celebrated acts were war crimes and treason by the prevailing rules of war and laws.

Even stronger sides often pick illegitimate targets. In world war two the US killed millions of people it knew were innocent non combatants.

No country has bombed more innocent civilians than the US. (Although the Germans and Japanese certainly shot, gassed and stabbed their share.)

In the Moslem world the biggest mass murder of innocent civilians was the genocide against the Armenians by Turkey, whcih somehow, even denying this no differently than Holocaust deniers, gets their greatest aid in genocide denial from Israel.
I am even more suspicious now...
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 03:06 pm (UTC)
Last year at the same place, Fort Hood, a soldier called Russell went on the rampage and shot and killed 5 soldiers with others injured and it never made the media let alone get commented on...

But he was white, no one made a thing about Timothy Mcveigh and his catholic upbringing or his Irish roots but every media outlet is plastered with this mans Muslim ideals.

The powers that be apparently had this gentleman under surveillance, were apparently in the mind of this chap so why the hell was he allowed to carry on without the modicum of restraint to weapons or invalidated out of the forces?

And now this is going to be used as further material against US born Muslims and possibly to purge the US forces of those with Muslim faith.
Re: I am even more suspicious now...
[info]lkdamo wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 04:43 pm (UTC)
That was in camp liberty Bagdad, I believe.
Re: I am even more suspicious now...
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 06:16 pm (UTC)
You are absolutely right and I stand corrected, Russell had been at Hood but lost it in Camp Liberty.
INVITATION FOR INTELLECTION
[info]michobesho wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 05:15 pm (UTC)
THERE IS NO COMMENT I CAN LIP on what this creature has posted on the website by praising the MUSLIM suicide bombers???!!!
All I can say generally is that, USA, UK and whole EUROP must do as bible said, "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." (Matt 10:16)
Now, how can we trust in wolves as Jesus called them, and treat them as they are doves???
How can we trust in people like thess in our socity???
What are we waiting for, for taking step forward???
Finally, all I need to confrim is that, these people loyal to only thier religien that orderd them to kill even children if they are not Muslims?
So this is an invitation for intellection.....
Fort Hood Texas yet again & weird American mind
[info]terminus_h wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 06:51 pm (UTC)
It took me a while to remember when I first heard of Fort Hood Texas: it was in the movie Rules of Engagement. "Almost 100 ATF agents spent 3-days in dress reherseals at Fort Hood Texas before raiding Waco compund on Feb 28 1993." It is indeed a weird American mind, preoccupied by agression, repeating their outdated modus operandi ad nauseum... and the descent obviously does not really matter. Gli Americani portano inferno a Iraq, a Afghanistan... a America?
Inside the mind....
[info]lkdamo wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 07:24 pm (UTC)
of the average American who thinks they need semi automatic pistols to be free.

The state said he was okay to have semi-auto gun and then he killed people with it.

Apart from the media look inside the mind bollox, this seems to be one of the problems, guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people, so don't give guns to people that can shoot 30 rounds before reloading, might be an idea.
12-3.co.uk
[info]twelve_three wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 07:28 pm (UTC)
We can all look at the antics of jealous Jews, ha look we got the water you (Palestinians) don't!
Or look at the cruel Christians throwing their weight around in Iraq and torturing Iraqis in Abu Gharib.
Or even look to the madness of the Muhammadans, who try and take the air away of those who they think represent the evil.

But we can also stand back, and not allow all this to affect our sense of judgement, whether they know the light from darkness, whether they observe the good from evil, whether they learn right from wrong.

Do you love God, or love your religion?
Do you have a heart for people worse than you or are you doing it for the money?
Do you denounce the devil, or become its advocate?

One love,
One heart
One soul

Most will say both, everyone forgets, everyone lies, everyone sins.


Re: 12-3.co.uk
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 08:39 pm (UTC)
You're an average nutter. I'd like to compliment you but, lack off extreme nuttiness disqualifies you......take your example of 'jealous Jews'...who 'have' the water.......er.......if they've got the water..why would they be jealous?? Logic is not your strong point...and (organised) religion...well...it's perfect...ain't it?....just like you...but you'll have to work on the nuttiness 'front'....good luck...
Re: 12-3.co.uk
[info]twelve_three wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 09:59 pm (UTC)
There are many examples of jealousy concerning Jews, for example when Moses went passed some people who were worshipping idols, the Children of Israel said make a god like the one they have. Or when the jealousy of the Children of Israel surfaced when they threw Joseph in the well. If you read scriptures they will point to hypocrisy and jealousy on their part. Like old timers they play on the jealousy feeling. To test the size of things in comparison with your own is merely jealousy or envy. It is about size, what makes the Jews Jewish their religion or their love of God? If they loved God then they would have been submitters. Remember it is one love, not two, and it is one heart, so the Christians must ask if they have a heart for people in worse situations or are they in it for the money? Then you must look to the slave trade and ask yourself was that a heartful thing.
And finally the Muhammadans if they think their corruption of the religion of Islam will last forever? Do they denounce the devil, or become its advocates.
Dangerous mind Independent minds
[info]lkdamo wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 08:53 pm (UTC)
"Dangerous mind: Hasan's praise for suicide bombers"

How does he praise it? It looks like a explaination of reasoning, more than praise.

"IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE" and Allah knows best. "

Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for his brother, says Jesus.

Where do we start?
this is an old lie?
[info]slaveweknow wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 09:22 pm (UTC)
after all the old lies who still believe in the story of FBI?
why they did not arrest him at that time?
Re: this is an old lie?
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 09:43 pm (UTC)
Slaveweknow...your're a complete and utter imbecile....rarely do they come in twos...but on this occasion you should feel proud...an excellent result on the mental deficiency test...you beat the 3-1 odds on favourite...12-3...well done...

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