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Justice at Ground Zero for September 11 accused

Five men set to leave Guantanamo Bay to face trial in a civilian court in New York

By David Usborne in New York

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a new picture, reportedly taken by the International Red Cross, which purports to show him at Guantanamo Bay

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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a new picture, reportedly taken by the International Red Cross, which purports to show him at Guantanamo Bay

More than eight years after two hijacked planes smashed into the Twin Towers of lower Manhattan killing thousands and sparking foreign wars, five men accused of helping to plot the carnage are to be brought to face trial in a civilian courthouse just a few blocks away from Ground Zero.

The defendants, who include Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the al-Qa'ida attacks of 2001, will be transferred, possibly in a matter of weeks, to New York City from the fortified US military camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where they are currently being held.

The decision, announced yesterday by the US Attorney General, Eric Holder, is central to the efforts of President Barack Obama to fulfil the promise he made on taking office to close Guantanamo Bay, although US officials now concede that the original deadline of 22 January next year might not be met.

While bringing the five 9/11 defendants to the scene of their alleged crime drew most attention – not least from those worried about the security implications of their coming to New York – Mr Holder also announced that five other high-profile detainees at Guantanamo will also be transferred out for trial by a revised military commission. He did not say where the commission tribunals would take place, however.

No details of the precise nature of the charges against the 9/11 five were available. But Mohammed and the four others bound for Manhattan – Waleed bin Attash, Ramzi Binalshibh, Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi and Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali – will face the death penalty if they are convicted, Mr Holder said.

President Obama, who wants to erase the perception that America has been hypocritical in its treatment of the detainees by not granting them the proper protections of civilian justice, voiced his confidence in the decision. "I am absolutely convinced that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will be subjected to the most exacting demands of justice," he told reporters in Tokyo, on the first day of his Asian tour.

But there is no disguising the risks involved in bringing the five to New York, legal and political. The task of the prosecutors will be complicated above all by the past history of "enhanced interrogation" techniques used by the CIA, which could make some evidence inadmissible. Documents have shown that water-boarding, which simulates near-drowning, was used on Mohammed 183 times in 2003.

Saying that these were the most difficult decisions he has faced since becoming Attorney General, Mr Holder dodged questions about what would happen specifically if Mohammed or any of his co-defendants were to be acquitted. It would seem inconceivable to most Americans, and certainly to relatives of the 2,973 people who were killed by the 9/11 attacks, that they would be allowed to walk out free.

Mr Holder repeatedly insisted that he was confident that the prosecutions of the five coming to New York would succeed, revealing also that he was privy to evidence regarding their alleged crimes that has not yet been released publicly. "For over 200 years our nation has relied upon a faithful adherence to the rule of law," he asserted. "Once again, we will ask our legal system in two venues to answer that call."

The five detainees headed for trial by military commission – the formats of which have been revised by the Obama administration to offer defendants more legal protections – include the principal suspect in the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. There was speculation that the commission's trials would take place on a Navy brig on the South Carolina coast.

The prospect of Mohammed and the other alleged 9/11 conspirators coming to New York triggered instant and furious debate. "By trying them in our federal courts, we demonstrate to the world that the most powerful nation on earth also trusts its judicial system," insisted Senator Patrick Leahy, a Democrat and chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

But many Republicans voiced alarm as did some of the victims' relatives. "We have a President who doesn't know we're at war," complained Debra Burlingame, whose brother Charles was pilot of the plane that was hijacked and smashed into the Pentagon. She said she was appalled by "the prospect of these barbarians being turned into victims by their attorneys" as claims of their having been tortured are aired.

When the five arrive in New York, probably early next year, they are likely to be held in a fortified jail in lower Manhattan near the court. Called the Metropolitan Correctional Center, it has served as a temporary home to the likes of Mafia captains and Wall Street fraudsters.

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911 TREASON INSIDE JOB!
[info]frase33 wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 12:45 am (UTC)
The game is up, 9/11 truth is now millions strong worldwide...and growing daily.....We need a full transparent investigation into 9/11.
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence who has looked into 9/11 in any detail will see the absurdities, impossibilities and monumental gaps in the official story.

These FACTS are all verifiable.
1. 6 out of the 10 members of 9/11 commission called it a fraud, and a farce and that it was "set up to fail"...Headed up by Henry Kissinger, it was a total whitewash, and 70% of 9/11 victim's families questions were not answered.
2. PUT OPTIONs placed on the 2 airlines hit on Sep 10th....American Airlines and United Airlines for millions of dollars.....Showed advanced knowledge....
3. No clear footage of a plane hitting the pentagon why not?
An hour and a half after the Towers were hit, America was under attacks-Where was the Air Force? Why haven't we seen the tapes of a plane hitting?
This is no "conspiracy" This is unacceptable, and frankly bizarre.

4.Multiple explosions heard by hundreds of witnesses at Ground Zero in Towers 1 and 2 and also 7....(Explosions heard in basement by janitor William Rodriguez-Look him up)
5. No building has ever collapsed from fires(the trade centre was designed to withstand a 757 hitting it) and was designed accordingly..Over 1000 architects and engineers have called for a new investigation...
http://www.ae911truth.org/
6.Building 7-47 storey building collapses in freefall in 6 seconds-NOT HIT BY A PLANE-Housed CIA, Secret Service offices, and command centre for Twin Towers-hundreds of investigations shut down after this including Enron....BBC reports its collapse 23 minutes early!!!!! Why?!!! It is still standing behind newsreader's head!!
7.7 of the hijackers have turned up ALIVE AND WELL-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1559151.stm
To this day the FBI hasn?t corrected this........
8. Siebel Edmonds FBI translator has broken a gagging order under oath to reveal Bin laden was a CIA asset and working with them up until 9/11/2001.
9. Flight 93 debris was spread out over 8 miles.......Why? If it allegedly crashed into ground after passengers overpowered the hijackers.
10. What is the compound found in WTC dust that exhibits energetic combustion properties? Published Peer reviewed scientific paper. Proves military grade thermite explosive present in all 3 towers-Towers brought down in controlled demolition.
11. Multiple "war games" running on 9/11 that morning-simulating planes crashing into buildings!!!!!! Look into it!! Air traffic didn't know what was real and what wasn't...
12. TRILLIONS of dollars reported "missing" from Pentagon budget on Sep 10th, never explained to this day....
13. Project for New American Century document produced in 2000 by a government think-tank says...."What was needed for America to dominate much of humanity and the world?s resources, it said, was ?some catastrophic and catalysing event ? like a new Pearl Harbour?.
14. Atta and his co hijackers were drinking in bars and using strippers on Sep 10th evening-IS this the behaviour of A Muslim fundamentalist who hates our way of life?!
The list goes on and on....
I personally am disgusted how NONE of the alarming issues are addressed by anyone in the media and government and instead insults are thrown out with crap about space lizards with anyone with perfectly reasonable questions...Sorry, I must be crazy-It was the bogeyman in his cave who managed to pull this off wasn't it?!!!
Anyone who cares about this world, please look into 9/11.......
Demand a fresh investigation.....
Re: 911 TREASON INSIDE JOB!
[info]londonrebel wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 09:55 am (UTC)
The loud bleatings of truthers and the abundance of exclamation marks and bold type in their howlings tells us one thing and one thing only: they are out to lunch and won't be coming back peacefully.

These are musings saturated in opinion, pseudo-scientific quasi-facts, fear, paranoia, reverse scientific method, cultish belief and hatred of the US. Take the above comments which seem drawn from the pamphlet of some apocalyptic cult. It calls on people to stand up - exhorting with a 'I have seen the light!', 'why cannot you?' desparation. 'FACTS' goes in capitals which generally means they are cherry-picked observations selected to bolster fantastical claims; people who communicate their points loudly are generally shunned, so the volume increases. By writing in this way - shouting in capitals - does the truthers no service at all. It's the same feeling we get when we see someone on the high street yelling the end is nigh; notice how people tend to give a wide berth and look away. The preponderence of exclamation marks only makes things more shrill and unhinged.

The truthers can only come across convincingly with a full body of factual evidence that will make it onto the front pages of the newspapers. Till then: they are coming through loud and unclear.
Re: 911 TREASON INSIDE JOB!
[info]londonrebel wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 10:09 am (UTC)
Sorry forgot to add mainstream newspapers are PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!
Re: 911 TREASON INSIDE JOB!
[info]frase33 wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 12:58 pm (UTC)
You said it...And notice you haven't tried to refute any of the points made....
You keep believeing in that boogeyman in his cave, the billionaire boogeyman...
It will all be ok...
Tell me, do you leave a mince pie out for Santa too?
Re: 911 TREASON INSIDE JOB!
[info]frase33 wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 01:04 pm (UTC)
Care to offer me an explanation for this?!
I suppose Aaron Russo would just make these monumental accusations up would he?!
Blind faith in your government and media....Really touching to see....
Bless!

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=aaron+russo+911&emb=0#
Re: 911 TREASON INSIDE JOB!
[info]frase33 wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 12:59 pm (UTC)
How is this for some "loud bleatings" of truthers you 9/11 LIAR?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2296490368603788739#
Re: 911 TREASON INSIDE JOB!
[info]frase33 wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 01:16 pm (UTC)
The stubborn denial of 9/11 liars and gullability to swallow stories such as passports being found in the trade centre rubble, and buildings collapsing in freefall from "fire" just proves what a challenge the 9/11 truth movement is up against.
Just blind faith in media and government in spite of all logic.....You are ridiculous, truly ridiculous 9/11 liar.
"apocalyptic cult"....How funny you are......
Please do tell me the FACTS that prove the "official" story.
Where is the evidence that boogeyman Bin laden did it from his cave?!
Would it be from the "confession" video they happened to "find" in a house in Afghanistan!
Fancy that!
With the fat Bin Laden impersonator which has been shown to be a fake...
Please do tell, i am all ears....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some explanation marks for you seeing as you like them so much....
Tell me Londonrebel......Which part of Bin Laden was working for CIA up until 9/11 don't you understand?
When will the real criminals face trial?
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 02:50 am (UTC)
When will the real criminals, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Silverstien, Zelikow etc. who orhestrated 9/11 and orchetrated the cover-up face trial?

This gangter-bankster-oil circus has gone on for far too lang.
a farce
[info]panic2009 wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 04:10 am (UTC)
self confessed? classic! people confess to anything when they've got electric shocks running through their bollocks.

do these clowns in charge of this case think the educated members of the public believe a word of this nonsense because if the do they are seriously deluded. who gained from 911? the answer is right there, and so with it , the guilty parties
Justice?
[info]walterwall wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 05:26 am (UTC)
A show trial.
Re: Justice?
[info]brazil2009 wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 03:49 pm (UTC)
This is the living proof that ... The idea that a person is innocent of a crime until he has been convicted is a complete absurdity..... On the other hand, Crime doesn't pay…unless you're a professional. And bloody hell , have not we seen lately many of these so called professionals around? Quite a lot. Not all politicians are this bad, but some are pure evil. It is their fault? After all we placed them there for one reason: So that they can influence public decision making. The problem is, they don't stick to their promises. Dissimulated bunch of rotten apples.The biggest challange for Democracies these days is,how can we have faith in them anylonger?Or where can we turn for reliability and accountability????
Democracy
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 06:54 pm (UTC)

Today, the whole democratic system is based on slick presentation and cosmetic appeal of the leader to the voters. Gone are the days of the leaders who are great by virtue - like Abraham Lincon and others.

Now the best we can get are photogenic leaders like Blair and Cameron. Good looks and the ability to throw some policies together is sufficient to get elected. Then they can act as dictators for the remainder of their term and put two fingers up at the voters.

We live in an era of celebrity and this applies to choice of political leaders too. The politicians are so busy grooming themselves, they dont see the strings of the powerful lobbies slowly ensnaring them (but usually they are fully aware, their evil intent masked by their false smiles) and leading their country down paths which will cause it long term problems.
Aquitted
[info]idontvote wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 11:41 am (UTC)
"if Mohammed or any of his co-defendants were to be acquitted"

Surely that would mean they are innocent, would it not?

Sounds to me that their fate has already been decided, after 183 waterboardings!!!!!!!!

Put the US on trial, is a better idea.
Re: Aquitted
[info]frase33 wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 01:09 pm (UTC)
Show trial
[info]scousekraut wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 01:39 pm (UTC)
Anybody who thinks that this man organised 9/11 should be shot. What happened to Bin Laden? Last seen in July 2001 and long dead no doubt.

This man has been tortured for years. His confessions, such as they are, are meaningless.

History is full of lies and controlled by a small group. The Nuremburg trials were massive show trials designed to cover up the real reasons for the war and get rid of some leading Nazis who knew too much. Now we are going to get the 9/11 show trials.

The number of people who fall for this blatant propaganda and mind control is decreasing but there are still far too many gullible, weak and easily influenced people on this planet.
Terrorist Or Lunatic?
[info]melpol wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 06:27 pm (UTC)
Admiral Yamamoto who led the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor deserved more respect than the sinister Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. Yamamoto proudly wore his uniform while Khalid snuck through the back alleys of the Casbah in Disguise. It will be up to a jury to find if Khalid is a genuine terrorist or a criminally insane lunatic. The verdict will depend on if he is executed or medicated.
Re: Terrorist Or Lunatic?
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 07:09 pm (UTC)

What has "deserve more respect" got to do with the price of oil or anything?

If looks are anything to go by, this guy, Khalid looks about as capable as Bush at coordinating the 9/11 scam.
Hidden Truth
[info]snotcricket wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 06:51 pm (UTC)
Did the barber check Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's beard to see if Bin Laden was in residence, with the entire Al Qaeda heirachy somewhere in the lower levels.
Scientific Confessions
[info]melpol wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 09:04 pm (UTC)
The techniques used to extract information out of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed are more sophisticated than water boarding. Science has made it possible to probe the brain and have it speak in Arabic. The past of Khalid is fully known and his death by execution is certain.



Re: Scientific Confessions
[info]frase33 wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 09:37 pm (UTC)
HOORAY - ITS BEING CLOSED
[info]tonygfd wrote:
Monday, 16 November 2009 at 11:54 pm (UTC)
Guantanamo is closing. HOORAY! Now how about all the rest of americas illegal torture chambers around the world ?
Khalid Must Wag His Tail
[info]melpol wrote:
Thursday, 19 November 2009 at 01:36 am (UTC)
A junk yard dog that bites a child must go in front of a judge before being put to sleep. If the dog growls and snaps the verdict will be death. The only chance the dog would have is by wagging its tail. Khalid must come to court with a smile and speak softly to the jury. That is his only chance to be acquitted.

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