Obama risks wrath of his liberal base
Decision to revive military trials for terror suspects welcomed by Republicans – and lambasted by human rights activists
Risking the wrath of his liberal base, Barack Obama yesterday unveiled plans that will revive the Bush administration's military commissions to try terror suspects being held at Guantanamo Bay.
Although his plan will modify the tribunals in an effort to expand the legal rights of the defendants, the decision has already proved controversial. One of Mr Obama's first acts as President was to announce the closing of Guantanamo Bay within a year and the suspending of the tribunals which drew criticism around the world. As a candidate, he favoured turning to America's federal courts or the traditional military judicial system to try the cases.
But pressure has been building on Mr Obama to explain what he planned to do with the roughly 241 detainees at Guantanamo – and particularly how he would proceed with the 20-odd cases due to be handled under the commission system set up by an act of Congress in 2006. He remains squeezed by competing priorities: to repudiate the past Bush policies while not compromising national security.
His statement yesterday reflected that balance: "This is the best way to protect our country, while upholding our deeply held values," he said. And while acknowledging that he had "objected strongly" to the Bush approach, he insisted that military tribunals "are appropriate for trying enemies who violate the laws of war".
There was support for the shift from a key moderate Republican, Senator Lindsey Graham. "I continue to believe it is in our own national security interests to separate ourselves from the past problems of Guantanamo," he said, while adding: "I agree with the President and our military commanders that now is the time to start over and strengthen our detention policies. I applaud the President's actions today." But liberals will point unhappily to an emerging pattern of Mr Obama retreating from his initial instinct to throw Bush anti-terror policies overboard.
He performed a similarly perilous policy pirouette earlier this week when he sought to block attempts to release a new batch of photographs of prisoner abuse by members of the US military, saying that to do so would endanger US soldiers serving abroad. Previously, the White House had indicated that it would not intervene after a court ordered the release of the photographs.
It will hardly help him, however, that at least one of the photographs in question has now leaked. The SBS television channel in Australia revealed that in the wake of the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal two years ago, it had acquired other photographs that have not yet been widely seen.
The Obama White House is increasingly finding itself and its allies embroi led in controversies to do with the treatment of prisoners from George Bush's War on Terror. On Thursday, Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Speaker of the House, took steps to defend herself against allegations that she knew for years that the US was waterboarding detainees, saying the CIA had lied to her about it.
But with his shifts on both the photographs and the tribunals, Mr Obama may be bolstering his support among moderates. He will be aware that support among the liberal left, on the other hand will be corroded. The attacks from human rights activists last night were instant.
"Everyone knows the military commissions have been a dismal failure," said Gabor Rona, a legal director for Human Rights First. "The results of the cases will be suspect around the world. It is a tragic mistake to continue them."
Under the new arrangements, the White House will ask for another 120-day delay before the tribunals are resumed to give lawyers time to implement the modifications that have been proposed by President Obama. Officials in Washington insisted last night that Mr Obama had not reversed his stance. They noted that as President, he has never explicitly ruled out continuing with the military commissions. Indeed, in 2006, Mr Obama voted against the act that instituted the commissions as they now stand, but he did, however, support an alternative bill that would have instituted a different version of the commissions. That bill had itself been tabled by a group of Republican moderates.
The President is asking for changes that would give detainees greater leeway in choosing their own defence team, protect them from court prejudice if they refuse to testify, restrict the use of hearsay in the cases against them and would ban the introduction of all evidence gleaned through cruel or inhuman treatment.
Those new safeguards are not going to quell the indignation of those who consider the commissions in any form to be a perversion of US justice. Critics will point to Mr Obama's repeated assertions that America would abandon its moral code when pursuing terror suspects at its own peril.
"It's disappointing that Obama is seeking to revive rather than end this failed experiment," said Jonathan Hafetz, a lawyer at the American Civil Liberties Union. "There's no detainee at Guantanamo who cannot be tried and shouldn't be tried in the regular federal courts system."
Obama vs Bush: How tribunals compare
DIFFERENT
*A ban on all evidence gleaned through cruel or inhumane means, including waterboarding
*More leeway for detainees to select their defence, although still restricted to military lawyers
*No prejudice against defendants if they choose not to testify
SAME
*Guantanamo to remain trial venue
*Military lawyers will still provide defence services for the detainees
*Accused will still not have access to all evidence used against them
*Detainees will still not have access to the two traditional branches of US law, the civilian court system and the Uniform Code of Military Justice
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Some good writing is online. See Glenn Greenwald's column on Salon.com www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald.
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To believe a leader like Obama, or any other leader political or religious, has the interests of the average person in mind is wishful thinking.
You sound like a person who has more than their share of "smarts" so why not get out there and spread the word. Perhaps you could enlist say another 11 like-minded followers
The crooks and warmongers ho really run Amurrika LOVE Obomber, who cares about hippy-dippy liberals?
Human rights activists can make all the statements and protests they want to in countries like Britain and America where that kind of thing is allowed. That doesn't mean they have any significant political influence.
the federal reserve share holders have got the usa by the balls and nothing will nor can change. the mafia system selects the candidates after vetting them,making sure they will act as good servants and like a good boy does as he is told.
the idea of one president bringing change is a joke. american people better wake up and smell the coffee. there is too much interest to let a black guy become president and bring change!!!!
What naivety to expect change in a world-conquering oligarchy... The U.S. military is the most indulged and feted of militaries in the history of the world. And it would be hazardous for any President not to indulge its fantasies (fed by think-tanks) and its demands for specific procedures (as in the treatment of prisoners).
Since 1942 the whole American economy has been dedicated to satisfying the needs of the military oligarchy; and since 1949 when NATO was formed we, as taxpayers in other countries, also contribute.
Are we proud, sharing the current triumphalism of the United States, relayed to us through the U.S.-surveillanced media, that at least 2,000,000 Iraqis have been made refugees, and hundreds of thousands of peasants are displaced from traditional homelands in Afghanistan and Pakistan...
What happened to the Palestinians is becoming the model of what will happen to other helpless, undefended agrarian peoples.
Soon, the victims of American expansionism will be crouching from drones and missiles in Turkmenistan and Mongolia. And then Singkiang...
This is not war.
This is state-sponsored terrorism.
The achievements of the American oligarchy now exceed the 1930s crimes of Hitler and Stalin.
President Obama continues the military, economic and psychological takeover or the world, following in the cloven-hoof steps of his predecessors.
Those who control the money, control the world. Or, as Mayer Amschel Rothschild put it: "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
People need to wake up and see that NOTHING EVER CHANGES FOR THE BETTER FOR THE PEOPLE NO MATTER WHO IS IN CHARGE because the people behind these front men and these parties have one agenda: Less and less freedom for us, and more power and control for them.
Obama is NOT continuing Bush's policies - he's continuing the policies of the worlds elite - i.e. Bilderberg.
Bilderberg just met in Greece these last few days - with the usual media blackout, paid for and ordered by it's members - which set the worlds agenda. Geithner attended. They are pushing Carbon Taxes this year - the biggest hoax and controlling policy in history.
Wake up and see the BIG picture - we're being conned. They're all the same. Look outside of the big media for the truth.
Apathetic, dumbed-down, tv watching Americans don't know their enemies when they're snuggeled up next to them in bed. The Most corrupt (and that's going some) president and congress in the history of America and we're so stupid, we love them all (except the very crooked Dodd and Lieberman).
Of course, there is more than name-calling to their antitheism; there are arguments, and the one most often made insists on a sharp distinction between religion and science, or, alternatively, between faith and reason. . . Reader Comment: "Science rests on this particular article of faith: the universe contains regularities, and human beings, through sense experience and reason, are capable of finding
candidates for these regularities, and then testing them to see how they mesh with experience. I have no quarrel with religion, but I have a quarrel with particular adherents of some religions, who deny that there are regularities, or that the tests of such regularities give meaningful results. . . ." - Posted by mathprof, May 18, 12:25 a.m.
If God were to talk we would first eliminate the Gays as the God has said Go Forth and Multiply. This only possible when the man and women mate and have sex planting the sperms. This is impossible for man and man. God never said he Camel must mate he camel to have small babies. We talk of bees and butterflies when we explain the children the life cycle and sex in the softest manner.
The West Bromwich building society yesterday said it had a "long-term future as an independent", adding it had "no knowledge" of reports that the UK regulator was looking to sell it off.
I agree to all anyone says these days. I do not have to pat for this. However, I think they are crazy
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla
Mount Judi is situated to the north-east of the Island of Ibn 'Umar in Kurdistan. According to the Bible, the Ark's resting place was Ararat, which is the name of a particular mountain as well as of a whole range of mountains in Armenia. Ararat, in the sense of a mountain range, extends from the Armenian plateau to southern Kurdistan. The mount called Judi is part of this range and is known even today by the same name. In ancient historical accounts, Mount Judi is mentioned as the place where the Ark rested. Around 250 B.C., a Babylonian priest, Berasus, wrote a history of his country based on Chaldean traditions. He mentions Judi as the resting-place of Noah's Ark. The history written by Abydenus, a disciple of Aristotle, also corroborates this. Abydenus further remarks that many people in Mesopotamia possessed pieces of the Ark which they used as a charm. They ground those pieces in water and gave the preparation to the sick so as to cure them of their ailments.
In connection with this great incident one is also faced with the question of whether the Flood was universal or whether it was limited to the area inhabited by the people of Noah. This question remains unanswered to this day. Under the influence of Israelite traditions, it is believed that it was a universal Flood (Genesis 7: 18-24). The Qur'an, however, does not explicitly say so. There are several allusions in the Qur'an which indicate that subsequent generations of mankind are the descendants of those who were saved from the Flood. But that does not necessarily mean that the Flood covered the whole world. For, it is quite plausible that at that point in history the human population was confined only to the area which was overtaken by the Flood, and that those born after the Flood gradually dispersed to other parts of the world. This view is supported by two things. Firstly, ancient historical traditions, archaeological discoveries and geological data provide evidence that a great flood took place at some period in the distant past in the Tigris-Euphrates region. There is no such evidence for a universal flood. Secondly, traditions about a great flood have been popular among all communities of the world down the ages. Such traditions are found even in the folklore of such distant regions as Australia, America and New Guinea. One may thus conclude that at some time in the past the ancestors of all these communities lived together in some region which was overtaken by the Flood. Since presumably their descendants subsequently dispersed to, and settled down in, different parts of the world, they transmitted and preserved the traditions of this great Flood.
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Firozali A.Mulla
This same paper says sometime back
Attenborough: Genesis? It can go forth and multiply
The Bible is to blame for devastation of the planet, says Sir David Attenborough
By Steve Connor, Science editor
He has romped with gorillas, turned his back on grizzly bears and found himself knee-deep in suffocating bat dung. After decades of getting to know the furthest-flung corners of the world ? and its inhabitants ? Sir David Attenborough has vented his ire on the Bible for promoting the belief that man has complete dominion over the Earth.
Sir David, probably the best-loved broadcaster and certainly the most distinguished television naturalist, has blamed the Book of Genesis for many environmental problems, from the burning down of tropical rainforests to the extinction of species.
On the eve of a BBC1 documentary on the life of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution, Sir David has criticised the centuries-old idea running through the Judaeo-Christian tradition which assumes God gave the Earth to man to exploit and use in whatever way he saw fit in order to populate the world.
"You will surely find out who will suffer a shameful
retribution, and incur an everlasting punishment."
[11:40]
When our judgment came, and the atmosphere boiled over, we said, "Carry on it a pair of each kind,* together with your family, except those who are condemned. Carry with
you those who have believed," and only a few have believed with him.
[11:41] He said, "Come on board. In the name of GOD shall be its sailing, and its mooring. My Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful."
[11:42] As it sailed with them in waves like hills, Noah called his son, who was isolated: "O my son, come ride with us; do not be with the disbelievers."
[11:43] He said, "I will take refuge on top of a hill, to protect me from the water." He said, "Nothing can protect anyone today from GOD's judgment; only those worthy of His mercy (will be saved)." The waves separated them, and he was among those who drowned.
31. "And I do not say to you that with me are the Treasures of Allâh, "Nor that I know the Ghaib (unseen); "nor do I say I am an angel, and I do not say of those whom your eyes look down upon that Allâh will not bestow any good on them. Allâh knows what is in their inner-selves (as regards belief, etc.). In that case, I should, indeed be one of the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers, oppressors, etc.)."
32. They said: "O Nûh (Noah)! You have disputed with us and much have you prolonged the dispute with us, now bring upon us what you threaten us with, if you are of the truthful."
33. He said: "Only Allâh will bring it (the punishment) on you, if He will, and then you will escape not.
34. "And my advice will not profit you, even if I wish to give you good counsel, if Allâh's Will is to keep you astray. He is your Lord! and to Him you shall return."
35. Or they (the pagans of Makkah) say: "He (Muhammad ) has fabricated it (the Qur'ân)." Say: "If I have fabricated it, upon me be my crimes, but I am innocent of (all) those crimes which you commit."
36. And it was inspired to Nûh (Noah): "None of your people will believe except those who have believed already. So be not sad because of what they used to do.
37. "And construct the ship under Our Eyes and with Our Inspiration, and address Me not on behalf of those who did wrong; they are surely to be drowned."
38. And as he was constructing the ship, whenever the chiefs of his people passed by him, they made a mockery of him. He said: "If you mock at us, so do we mock at you likewise for your mocking.
39. "And you will know who it is on whom will come a torment that will cover him with disgrace and on whom will fall a lasting torment."
40. (So it was) till then there came Our Command and the oven gushed forth (water like fountains from the earth). We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two (male and female), and your family, except him against whom the Word has already gone forth, and those who believe. And none believed with him, except a few."
41. And he [Nûh (Noah)] said: "Embark therein, in the Name of Allâh will be its moving course and its resting anchorage. Surely, my Lord is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Tafsir At-Tabarî, Vol. 12, Page 43)
42. So it (the ship) sailed with them amidst the waves like mountains, and Nûh (Noah) called out to his son, who had separated himself (apart), "O my son! Embark with us and be not with the disbelievers."
43. The son replied: "I will betake myself to a mountain, it will save me from the water." Nûh (Noah) said: "This day there is no saviour from the Decree of Allâh except him on whom He has mercy." And a wave came in between them, so he (the son) was among the drowned.
44. And it was said: "O earth! Swallow up your water, and O sky! Withhold (your rain)." And the water was diminished (made to subside) and the Decree (of Allâh) was fulfilled (i.e. the destruction of the people of Nûh (Noah). And it (the ship) rested on Mount Judi, and it was said: "Away with the people who are Zalimûn (polytheists and wrong-doing)!"
45. And Nûh (Noah) called upon his Lord and said, "O my Lord! Verily, my son is of my family! And certainly, Your Promise is true, and You are the Most Just of the judges."
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla
NEW YOKK TIMES
According to recent surveys, somewhere between 79 and 92 percent of Americans believe in God. But if the responses to my column on Terry Eagleton's "Faith, Reason and Revolution" constitute a representative sample, 95 percent of Times readers don't. What they do believe, apparently, is that religion is a fairy tale, hogwash, balderdash, nonsense and a device for rationalizing horrible deeds.
Of course, there is more than name-calling to their antitheism; there are arguments, and the one most often made insists on a sharp distinction between religion and science, or, alternatively, between faith and reason. . . Reader Comment: "Science rests on this particular article of faith: the universe contains regularities, and human beings, through sense experience and reason, are capable of finding
candidates for these regularities, and then testing them to see how they mesh with experience. I have no quarrel with religion, but I have a quarrel with particular adherents of some religions, who deny that there are regularities, or that the tests of such regularities give meaningful results. . . ." - Posted by mathprof, May 18, 12:25 a.m.
If God were to talk we would first eliminate the Gays as the God has said Go Forth and Multiply. This only possible when the man and women mate and have sex planting the sperms. This is impossible for man and man. God never said he Camel must mate he camel to have small babies. We talk of bees and butterflies when we explain the children the life cycle and sex in the softest manner.
The West Bromwich building society yesterday said it had a "long-term future as an independent", adding it had "no knowledge" of reports that the UK regulator was looking to sell it off.
I agree to all anyone says these days. I do not have to pat for this. However, I think they are crazy
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla