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Obama's immigration overhaul

By Guy Adams in Los Angeles

Opening a debate he admits is both "controversial" and "emotional", Barack Obama signalled his intention to overhaul America's immigration system yesterday, finally creating a means for the nation's millions of illegal residents to become fully-fledged citizens.

The President plans to take on the issue next month, confounding predictions that it would be kicked into the long grass as a result of the current gloomy economic climate.

Under proposals floated by the White House, undocumented workers who admit that they violated the law will be given a "path to citizenship", provided they agree to pay fines or undergo other sanctions.

Mr Obama will portray the change as a necessary "policy reform that controls immigration and makes it an orderly system", Cecilia Munoz, the President's deputy assistant and director of intergovernmental affairs in the White House, told The New York Times.

Between 12 and 15 million mostly Hispanic illegal immigrants are thought to live in the US, settling there decades ago. Opponents, mostly on the Republican side, are concerned that immigrants who are granted full citizenship would take jobs that would otherwise go to US citizens.

The President will attempt to deflect critics by strengthening border law enforcement and penalising employers who hire undocumented workers.

"It doesn't seem rational that any political leader would say 'let's give millions of foreign workers permanent access to US jobs'," said Roy Beck, an executive director of NumbersUSA, a group wanting to reduce immigration.

When he was a senator, Mr Obama voted in favour of a bi-partisan immigration reform bill in 2007, a move that helped him to secure 66 per cent of Hispanic votes last year. However, widespread public opposition eventually forced that bill, which was backed by George Bush, to be scrapped.

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about time
[info]donathon wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 02:38 am (UTC)
there are millions of legal taxpaying law abiding immigrants who dont have citizenship..its not fair
they work their tails off in schools but cant apply for financial aids or scholarships,because theyre not citizens

it hurts!!
Not for Everyone
[info]wrrock wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 04:06 am (UTC)
I think Obama has oversimplified the question of re-financing. You see, for many individual situation it is not wise. For example, if your credit situation has decreased, then modifying your terms may be worse for you. So think carefully before you jump on the bandwagon. Make sure you review this checklist:

http://tinyurl.com/refinanceobama
immigration reform
[info]tomthe1906cat wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 05:11 am (UTC)
VIVA OBAMA, EVERY BLOODLINE IN THIS NATION IS FROM AN IMMIGRANT. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN WHOSE RIGHTFUL HOMELAND WAS OVERUN BY IMMIGRANTS AND VIRTUALLY EXHILED TO THE FARTHEST NORTHERN STATE [ALASKA]. BRAVE OBAMA AND HIS CABINET TO DELIVER A GENUINE ATTEMPT TO RESOLVE A DILEMMA IN A HUMANITARIAN MANNER. EVERY HOME IN THIS GREAT UNITED STATES IS WALL TO WALL WITH PHOTOGRAPHS OF POLISH, IRISH, GREEK, ITALIAN,AFRICAN ,ASIAN , HISPANIC , SCANDANAVIAN, ANCESTRY. IF I MISSED A NATION I APOLOGISE, HOWEVER I GUARENTEE , THEY ARE PROSPERING SOMEWHERE IN THIS GREAT LAND. WALL STREET IS THE CAUSE OF THE CURRENT DEBACLE,THERE CAN BE NO JUSTIFACTION FOR LABELING THE POOR AS AN ENEMY OF THE WORKFORCE. FOR THOSE WHO ARE SHORT ON MEMORY, OUR SON,S AND DAUGHTERS , AND THOSE OF OUR ALLIES, MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE TO ENSURE THAT NON WHO MAY DEEM THEMSELVES SUPREME WILL SUPPRESS THE WILL OF ALL PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE FREE. IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN A PRESIDENT TO GET THIS DONE , PULL YOUR WEIGHT , IT WILL MAKE YOU PROUD ONE DAY. LIGHTSWITCH.
Re: immigration reform
[info]kenna2781 wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 01:13 pm (UTC)
tomthe1906 cat is absolutely right. we are all immigrants in this great country and we all deserve a chance to live the american dream. god bless america.
Re: immigration reform
[info]carrmakk wrote:
Friday, 17 April 2009 at 07:54 pm (UTC)
My mother's ancestors immigrated here across the bering straits. Cherokee indians are immigrants too;so what's your point.
Vote for Obama+registration $$$ = Citizen Card.
[info]solvoxuno wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 10:00 am (UTC)
Hail to the chief. Oh Obama, bring us under your dictatorship by glorious mercy of the Banksters of old. Take our wealth, homes and children into conscript NAZIonal service that we may bleed and work for the rich. For we are you thankful hypnotized pawns to sacrifice at will in some war to oppress and steal from others.
WEL DNE MR> OBAMA
[info]famulla wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 12:16 pm (UTC)
I agree that there was need for the citizenship review as many had stayed without the green card for years hoping that they would become citizens except they were thrown out. Thus is welcome news.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla

WELL DONE Mr. OBAMA
[info]famulla wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 12:17 pm (UTC)
The typo again
Enough
[info]bubbette242 wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 03:34 pm (UTC)
Here is an immigration plan. Contrary to what is listed in many of these articles there are an estimated 20 to 30 million illegal aliens in this country. They need to be found and registered or deported. End paying social security to people that do not pay into it, which means legal immigrants and illegal aliens. End the anchor baby law. Finish the border fence and build a sufficient immigration department to handle work visas. Fund sufficient staffing to secure our borders. Limit immigration to people that have proof that they can support themselves and not fall on to entitlement programs. Stop any federal and state funding to any so called Sanctuary Cities. Pretty simple really.

Once all of the illegal aliens are taken out of the entitlement programs the country can see how much it has been costing us.
Re: Enough
[info]gerardo1978 wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 05:26 pm (UTC)
Dude first of all Undocumented workers pay Social Security and they are not entitle to that money. ""Limit immigration to people that have proof that they can support themselves" The current law does that, you ask for financial help, sorry no green card, plus you got to realize that somewhere down the line you ancestry came to this country illegally, this country was founded by illegal immigrants, they didn't ask for permission why would we? this is an undocumented people country, weather you like it or not, also this is a country founded by outlaws that worked hard, pretty much as undocumented workers do today. There should be no discussion in this, the Declaration of Independence recognize "all man to be created equal" this means "all men" and not just some men, furthermore it also recognize our god giving right to pursue happiness, weather or not you got a blue passport. There is no illegal workers, only workers and men pursuing happiness. Long life to America, the greatest country on earth.
Re: Enough
[info]milagring09 wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 07:04 pm (UTC)
gerardo, you're the best!!!!! very knowlegeable! thanks for your comment. good job!
oh sh#t
[info]ealonder wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 07:21 pm (UTC)
Shit , now Brown will copy the idea , well he has suggested it already now we kno were he got it? By the way anyone know Browns SAT marks?
immigration overhaul
[info]precigil wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 07:10 am (UTC)
ABOUT TIME OBAMA IS A DECENT MAN THAT IS NOT AFRAID OF THE RELIGIOUS RACIST DIVIDERS.
HE ALWAYS DOES THE RIGHT THING
JUST COMING BACK
[info]precigil wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 07:22 am (UTC)
HAVE A GREAT IDEA, WHY DON'T WE SHOUD GIVE THE NATIVE AMERICAN AND THE MEXICANS BACK THEIR LANDS AND WE THE UNHAPPY CAMPERS CAN GO BACK TO WERE EVER OUR ILLEGAL LAND GARBING FORE FATHERS CAME FROM AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER? AND, THE SOONER THE BETTER FOR THE SAKE OF OUR COUNTRY .
Immigration
[info]econoguy wrote:
Monday, 13 April 2009 at 01:34 am (UTC)
There is a potential $ 60000000000 the economy could get if immigration reform is passed. More taxes revenue for the government. Airline industry boost, better secuirty in our country. Secured border(S) and more businesses will open with all these the deficit could be reduced and future generations will not have to pay as much. Be smart about this issue and not emotional.
Open the border
[info]dhenry66 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 05:50 pm (UTC)
My great(+10) grandfather immigrated from Germany in 1690 and I fully support welcoming logical, systematic, fair, and limitless immigration similar to what he encountered back then. If that happened I think we'd all be surprised at how many people do NOT come. The new 'American dream' is to settle in the EU. However, the people who are already here - are already American - and I think they should all have a quick and easy procedure to obtain full citizenship. The current system is designed to build a cast system. With all due respect to the people of India, a cast system has no place in human society and it especially has no place in America. On a practical note, America will suffer economically if we continue on our current path. Instead, open immigration would improve the lives of millions of people (life-long citizens and new immigrants alike) for generations. Bring back America - Open our borders.
Grow Up, Children!
[info]realamerica wrote:
Saturday, 18 April 2009 at 12:11 am (UTC)
We were promised by Congress in 1986 that THAT would be the last amnesty. Sen(or) Kennedy (D) was able to kill every reliable enforcement from that time forward. Even today eVerify is on virtual life support despite its effectiveness of determining who has a valid SSN. So before any talk of another amnesty is even considered, it is only fair to the American people that proven, effective enforcement be demonstrated. It would be proven effective if the illegal aliens (definition per U.S. Code) are motivated to leave on their own accord because of the certainty that they will be caught, and lose all possibility of future American citizenship. Then, come to think of it, if it is that effective, why have amnesty at all?

Over the decades the corporate handlers of our 'representatives' found it handy to have a steady pool of essentially slave labor to keep labor costs down. The perfect storm arrived with the Dems in power because most of the proposed recipients of Amnesty II are likely to side with them. So let's evaluate the morality of the situation. From an adult perspective, parents came here and / or stayed here knowing that it was illegal to do so. They had children here, knowing that they were engaged in illegal activity that put them, and their children, in jeopardy if they were found out and deported. But it was easier to take that chance than correct the problems in their country of origin. Or they stayed due to outright greed.

Even though the illegal alien parents were '... subject to a foreign jurisdiction ...', that is, their countries of origin, the Executive branch of our federal government has declared their children born here as 'U.S. citizens', and therefore entitled to, well, entitlements that benefit the parents as well. This presents motive, opportunity, and resources to entice more members of their family to invade and take advantage of our generous nature. In time the ersatz children become 'citizens' in their own right and turn around and 'sponsor' their illicit parents. And grandparents. And aunts and uncles. ....

The American culture contains a strong sense of fairness based on the principles of equality and freedom of choice and action. So to be fair to the 800M Indians, 1.2T Chinese, and nearly a trillion Africans, why shouldn't they have the exact same opportunity to invade our lands and claim U.S. citizenship as well? After all they '... just want a better life for their families ...'.

Sometimes being a parent means making hard decisions. Sometimes it is better to let a child learn a hard lesson for themselves than to overly protect them from the consequences of their actions. Sometimes it is better not to get into the business of other families at all.

So if Congress is ready to act as responsible parents, they will make all of the following a part of their 'comprehensive immigration reform', aka amnesty.

1. No person granted amnesty for immigration violations may ever sponsor another immigrant.
2. No child of parents granted amnesty may ever sponsor another immigrant.
3. The 14th Amendment will be clearly defined in law that children born in this country of parents who are aliens will not be granted a U.S. birth certificate.
4. No amnesty will be granted until it is demonstrated that our borders are secure, and that any illegal aliens apprehended will be immediately deported.
5. Because this will increase the population of the United States by 10%, a 10-year moratorium on all work visas and immigration applications will go into effect immediately. All work visas will terminate at the end of the year the act is signed into law.

Maybe we should all mull this over a nice cup of tea.
[info]tomhick wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 11:04 am (UTC)
Obama supports a guest worker program, and voted in favor of the Bush administration backed Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007. Obama has said that he "will not support any bill that does not provide earned path to citizenship for the undocumented population."

Obama has said that he does not believe that the 12 million illegal immigrants should be deported. He said "It's not going to happen. We're not going to go round them up ... We should give them a pathway to citizenship."

In September 2006, Obama voted for the Secure Fence Act, authorizing the construction of 700 miles (1,100 km) of fencing along the United States–Mexico border.

Obama has supported granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants travel insurance.

In June 2007, Obama voted against declaring English as the official language of the federal government.

In November 2007, Obama stated that, "We can … go a long way toward meeting industry’s need for skilled workers with Americans. Until we have achieved that, I will support a temporary increase in the H-1B visa program as a stopgap measure until we can reform our immigration system comprehensively.

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