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US gun rampage search leads to extremist websites

By Matt Williams, Press Association

A shocked relative is comforted by a US sergeant outside Fort Hood, Texas, yesterday after news of the shootings was revealed to a stunned US public

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A shocked relative is comforted by a US sergeant outside Fort Hood, Texas, yesterday after news of the shootings was revealed to a stunned US public

A US officer who killed 13 soldiers in a gun rampage at a Texas army base was being investigated for links to extremist websites, security sources said today.

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a devout American-born Muslim, was on life support after being shot several times by guards at the Fort Hood base.

Armed with two non-military issue pistols, including a semi-automatic, Hasan, a military psychiatrist, entered a section used to prepare soldiers for deployment overseas and started firing.

Within minutes, 13 soldiers at the base were dead or dying in the worst mass shooting yet at a military base in the US.

At least 30 others - including two civilians - were injured in an attack described by President Barack Obama as an "horrific outburst of violence".

Officials were trying to establish the motive behind the attack.

Retired Colonel Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan, claimed the major was anti-war and argued with comrades who supported operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Hasan, a 39-year-old from Virginia, was also due to be sent to Afghanistan, something family members said would have been his "worst nightmare".

Defence sources said at least six months ago Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats.

They included posts which compared suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

Investigators were not certain whether Hasan had written the posts and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said the sources.

Hasan was shot four times but survived and was being treated in hospital under armed guard.

Army spokesman Lieutenant General Bob Cone said he was on a ventilator and unconscious, but added: "I would say his death is not imminent."

His cousin, Nader Hasan, described him as "a good American".

He said the family was "shocked", adding: "We just found out on the news that he was being deployed, he never even told us.

"We've known for the last four or five years that was probably his worst nightmare. He deals with stories, he would tell us how he would hear things, horrific things."

Mr Hasan added that his cousin had also complained of being harassed by others in the military.

Hasan transferred to Fort Hood in July from Walter Reed Medical Centre, where he received a poor performance evaluation, according to an official.

Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Maryland, said Hasan was a lifelong Muslim and attended prayers regularly, often in his army uniform.

Video: US Major held after shooting

Mr Obama met aides in the White House's Situation Room after being informed of the incident.

The president said his thoughts and prayers were with the wounded and the families of the fallen.

He said: "It is difficult enough when we lose these brave Americans in battles overseas. It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an army base on American soil."

The shootings began yesterday at around 1.30pm local time (7.30pm GMT) at Fort Hood's readiness centre.

The Fort Hood compound - the US's largest military base - was declared safe only five hours later.

Soldiers rushed to treat their injured colleagues by ripping their uniforms into makeshift bandages.

Video footage showed police patrolling the area with handguns and rifles, ducking behind buildings for cover.

Sirens could be heard while a woman's voice on a public address system urged people to take cover.

Soldiers at Fort Hood do not carry weapons unless on training exercises.

Hasan, whose family said he was born in suburban Washington, is single with no children.

In 1997 he graduated with a degree in biochemistry from Virginia Tech, scene of a mass shooting in 2007.

He was a member of the Reserve Officer Training Corps at college.

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The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]saxontimes wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 11:50 am (UTC)
Sounds like a perfect Islamic sleeper with no family. I wonder who activated him no doubt the FBI are on the trail. This is a huge warning to us all that we must ensure proper profiling of muslim candidates for the armed and security services. This is absolutely necessary because although we all accept the vast majority of muslims are not terrorist nearly all the terrorists in the world today are muslim. We have a duty to protect the innocent and this means doing away with the PC nonsense that we are somehow discriminatory in a bad way for checking muslims out
Re: The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]matt_91912113 wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 12:29 pm (UTC)
You just don't get it do you? Its not Muslims that are the problem it is YOU. Have you noticed that only American and British solidiers constantly get killed? British soldiers have been killed in Northern Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan in recent years, they have been fought all over Africa, Asia and North America in the past. Do you think that the rest of the world are terrorists and britian is the good guy against everyone else?

Heres a question. How come there are no terrorist attacks or dead soldiers in the other PEACEFUL nations in the world? Why are there not attacks in Sweden, Norway, finland, Iceland, Republic of Ireland, New Zealand? Why jsut Britian? The answer is that these other countries do not attack anyone else out of greed. Is it just a coinicidence that you seek to demonise the religion of the people who so conviently live on top of the oil supplie that you so desperatly want?

The problem does not lie with Muslims. It lies with imperialists.
Re: The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 01:07 pm (UTC)
matt_91912113 is correct. This is called "taking the fight to the enemy".
Re: The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]richardbees wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 01:10 pm (UTC)
Matt - duh!

For a start, none of those countries has a tiny fraction of the number of Muslim immigrants that we and the US have (generously) allowed in.......

Iceland?
Re: The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]matt_91912113 wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 02:09 pm (UTC)
They also haven't attacked any Muslim countries. Remember, any attack in the UK was done AFTER attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq. And the attacks in the US were not carried out by US citizens.
Re: The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]saxontimes wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 01:44 pm (UTC)
Clearly your short term memory is failing you, I shall remind you that on September 17th - six Italian soldiers were murdered by terrorists, and only last week 6 UN workers murdered by terrorists alongside 6 Afghans also killed in the same atrocity.

Shall we go on: 133 Canadians murdered, 36 French murdered, 34 Germans murdered, 28 Danes murdered, 26 Spanish murdered, 22 Italians murdered, 21 Dutch murdered, 15 Poles murdered, 11 Australians murdered, 11 Romanians murdered, 6 Estonians murdered, 4 Norwegians murdered, 3 Czechs murdered, 3 Latvians murdered, 2 Swedes murdered, 2 Portuguese murdered, 2 Turks murdered, 2 Hungarians murdered, i Finn murdered, 1 Belgian murdered, 1 South Korean murdered, 1 Lithuanian murdered.

It would appear that the muslim terrorists are not so discerning as you make out, since they have managed to murder people from 22 other nations apart from Britain and the US. In fact countries like Canada and Denmark have a higher casualty rate than the British.

Your spurious post has now been totally demolished by the facts. You just do not get it do you it is muslims or should I say Islamists who are the problem as the rest of the civilised world will testify to.
Re: The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]matt_91912113 wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 02:14 pm (UTC)
Your proving my point. ALL of these countries are involved in the war, of course they are going to target their soldiers. No one from countires that are not involved have been targeted in their countries. They were not murdered, they were killed in war. There is a difference. If you want to call the targeting of soldiers in war as murder then the UK is guilty of murder itself. Except that the western powers have killed a hell of a lot more civilians as well.

Your diliberatly twisting the facts. All of these deaths were not the result of terrorist attacks in their own countries. What you are doing is tring to manipulate the truth to justify your own prejudices, and the holes in your argument become glaringly obvious.
Re: The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]lkdamo wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 05:32 pm (UTC)
He's just trying to wind people up, again.
SLEEPERS
[info]zugzwang43 wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 12:29 pm (UTC)


It will be interesting to see the response to this bold post...
Re: The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]nightside242 wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 12:47 pm (UTC)
No family? There were comments from his family in this article!
Re: The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]contrastcolour wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 01:07 pm (UTC)
Even IF this absurd idea were true, that he were some kind of "sleeper" agent, for any kind of organised cell to promote one of its number to the rank of MAJOR in the United States Army would have meant that they would have done something a LOT more impressive than shoot up a room full of soldiers. Because unless you've noticed, UK and US soldiers have been dying in perfectly adequate numbers already in Afghanistan and Iraq.

If he had been a sleeper he would only have been "activated" to help with some EXTREMELY large scale operation.

This whole thing is really tragic. But it seems likely to me that he was mentally unstable and snapped. It's hardly the first time this has happened, including within the US military: if a (supposedly) Christian soldier guns down his colleagues and co-workers while suffering from a brain fart, do we have people accusing him of being a Christian "sleeper agent"?

No.
Re: The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]saxontimes wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 01:48 pm (UTC)
Look at the publicity this has gained the sleeper has done his job timed on the back of the talban policeman murdering 5 of our boys. This is no coincident.
Re: The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]contrastcolour wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 02:25 pm (UTC)
I'll say it again: a US Army Major (even "just" a psychiatrist) would have been a major (no pun) asset to any terrorist group. They would not have been wasted on such a (relatively speaking) petty incident.

If this shooter had been a raw recruit private I could possibly consider the possibility of it being a planned operation.

This man was obviously extremely unstable. That is NOT what a sleeper agent is: they are long term assets who arouse NO suspicion until the point that they assist a large operation in a way that would not otherwise be possible.

I feel that if this man HAD been an agent then he could probably done more to further his aims by careful manipulation of the soldiers he had access to professionally.
Re: The sleeper awoke now we must be vigilant
[info]saxontimes wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 01:45 pm (UTC)
No direct family eg wife and kids
Hasan, a psychiatrist, killed 13 soldiers?
[info]wisdomfund wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 01:10 pm (UTC)
It seems that it would take more than one person, particularly a psychiatrist, to kill 13 soldiers and would many more, before he was stopped.
Re: Hasan, a psychiatrist, killed 13 soldiers?
[info]contrastcolour wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 01:33 pm (UTC)
Yes. I bet there was somebody on the grassy knoll outside the window. Probably Obama.

Get real.
Fort Hood Texas
[info]lilianalayla wrote:
Friday, 6 November 2009 at 04:45 pm (UTC)
Another attempt to demonise Muslims from the Zionist apparently: all killings being unacceptable, is probably another set-up from the Zionist to make everybody believe that Muslims make trouble using one of the FBI or CIA member for it and how come is it ok to kill and torture people everyday in Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan by Zionist, Americans and British troops? If the American and British Goverments are so sorry for the loss of their soldiers (are they really??), why they started these wars? Just to continue the interests of Zionism!
Why American and Zionist need to tell what to do or not to do to to other countries such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine and many others? Why we are not speaking about zionism, torture, rendition, Guantanamo Bay and all other injustices perpetrated by these governments????
In these cases, everything get covered up, Israel has the right to defend itself even when it tortures, humiliates and kills hundred every day but the Muslim world must just bear silently all of this injustice??
Leaders of Muslim Countries and all muslims please go back to the real Islam and help your fellow Muslims instead of helping the Zionist, Allah will ask you about that, you will be held accountable for it. Please stop squandering your money in 7 star palaces and soccer team, help your fellow Muslims again Zionism. Peace!

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