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1,500 farmers commit mass suicide in India

Over 1,500 farmers in an Indian state committed suicide after being driven to debt by crop failure, it was reported today.

The agricultural state of Chattisgarh was hit by falling water levels.

"The water level has gone down below 250 feet here. It used to be at 40 feet a few years ago," Shatrughan Sahu, a villager in one of the districts, told Down To Earth magazine

"Most of the farmers here are indebted and only God can save the ones who do not have a bore well."

Mr Sahu lives in a district that recorded 206 farmer suicides last year. Police records for the district add that many deaths occur due to debt and economic distress.

In another village nearby, Beturam Sahu, who owned two acres of land was among those who committed suicide. His crop is yet to be harvested, but his son Lakhnu left to take up a job as a manual labourer.

His family must repay a debt of £400 and the crop this year is poor.

"The crop is so bad this year that we will not even be able to save any seeds," said Lakhnu's friend Santosh. "There were no rains at all."

"That's why Lakhnu left even before harvesting the crop. There is nothing left to harvest in his land this time. He is worried how he will repay these loans."

Bharatendu Prakash, from the Organic Farming Association of India, told the Press Association: "Farmers' suicides are increasing due to a vicious circle created by money lenders. They lure farmers to take money but when the crops fail, they are left with no option other than death."

Mr Prakash added that the government ought to take up the cause of the poor farmers just as they fight for a strong economy.

"Development should be for all. The government blames us for being against development. Forest area is depleting and dams are constructed without proper planning.

All this contributes to dipping water levels. Farmers should be taken into consideration when planning policies," he said.

This article is from The Belfast Telegraph

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A bit of a shame.
[info]blastarrbxiii wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 11:53 am (UTC)
They wanted Independance, and they got it.

By now, if Britain was still there, apart from running it into the ground if our current lot of shysters were in place. [They are for now, and don't we know it!]
Assuming we actually had a decent government in Britain for once, then so would India.

These farmers would be employed by the state to work the land, taking a share of the profits to give them an incentive.
They wouldn't have to worry about any loan sharks and the land would most proberly be better irrigated in the first place.

I was told by an Indian gent whilst in Japan how, as much as the Indians wanted their independance they did appreciate the order and structure that was built up in India by the British, I suppose Britain was like the Romans in that respect.

The farming problems of India is something for the Indian government to sort out.
Good government in this age, over all the ages is very hard to come by.
It is rarer than gold, rarer than diamonds..... and worth more than both.

If we or any other nation ever get hold of any, they want to keep hold of it, cherish their good fortune and look after it.

Ps, hardly what I would describe as "mass suicide", even if life is so cheap in India, from their own personal valuation.
It is still a shame though, with all that personal mental anguish, they have suffered in this way.

The SHAME of the Indian government for certain.

Re: A bit of a shame.
[info]sqms wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 12:14 pm (UTC)
Shut up. What do you mean 'they wanted independance' - you were in our country illegally; you had NO business being there. You had NO culture, no history and no cvilisation. The more I travel the more I realise that all you guys did was steal. Because you had nothing to call your own. And that trafalgar square and Westminster Abbey you are so proud of - well, that is from money stolen from us. And given the way UK is going down the sink - the worst affected by the global recession - you have no business to talk. Or lecture. Go back to work and sort out the mess YOUR country has become.
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Re: A bit of a shame
[info]chiennoir wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 12:27 pm (UTC)
"hardly what I would describe as "mass suicide", I suspect that if this happened in America or Britain it would be splattered all over the headlines as a huge tragedy. However, it's 'only India', init?
Re: A bit of a shame
[info]gtkaasch wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 04:48 pm (UTC)
Pirates threaten the seas, but 1500 people killing themselves did not even make headlines! I am disgusted! But nobody wants to talk about the biggest threat to all nations-WATER. Its too big. Too much to capture in a 3,000 word article.
Suraj Singh
[info]suraj_singh wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 12:38 pm (UTC)
I am disgusted with the comment by blastarrbxiii. How misled and mis-educated you are. I am British, British Asian. I wander if you were lucky enough to be educated by anyone other than some random Indian chap you met. He was being polite. Have you ever heard of divide and conquer? The British knew the Sikhs were the most unmatched fighters in Human History. Although many Sikh's died for the British Army, many also then died for Indian Independence. In the end the British strategically divided the land of the Sikhs, protectors of the Hindu faith from the rape and pillage that we incurred from Portuguese, Dutch, British and Muslim invaders. Did you know 80 million Indians died of starvation before 1890, at the same time the British Raj held the biggest outdoor party and feast recorded by man. Eugenics is a word you should look up. By making people paid starving and legalising subtle slavery methods, you never civilised India. You fool, India is the most ancient civilisation known to man. The west hides knowledge of our technologies for buildings and even bombs that went off 5 - 10,000 years ago. The atom was not split this last century. After Noah's Ark we all started again. After the Mahabarath we all started again. We may have evolved from monkeys, but we have devolved and had to re-evolve many a time since. Stop throwing your ignorance about and get reading. There is a story from Bruce Lee's book of Striking Thoughts (it is Bruce that stops me from wanting or needing to kick your butt):

A learned man went to visit a Zen teacher to enquire about Zen. As the zen teacher talked, the learned man frequently interrupted to express his own opinion about this or that.

Finally, the Zen teacher stopped talking and began to serve tea to the learned man. He poured the cup full, then kept puring until the cup overflowed.

"Stop," said the learned man. "The cup is full, no more can be poured in."

"Like this cup, you are full of your own opinions," replied the Zen teacher. "If you do not first empty your own cup, how can you taste my cup of tea?"

You are neither learned or open to learning. I would suggest you clean your cup out once you have emptied it, because it will be hard to scrape the dirt and tar off the bottom of it, and any other tea will always taste bitter. Peace. Love. Knowledge. Evolution... None of which you facilitate.

Re: Suraj Singh
[info]angrypawn wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 01:01 pm (UTC)
So, we're all on about each other's civilizations, are we? -- very quick to forget the tragedy that power relations in both places are responsible for misery on a horrible scale. No wonder the powerful can't be dislodged, when the weak are so ignorant & divided as the above trivial & mean-spirited exchange, on a subject of great seriousness, reveals with such brutal clarity. Thankyou gentlemen, do carry on with your tribal wars while the poor die & the rich shrug.
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re:a bit of a shame
[info]doonhamer wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 12:57 pm (UTC)
If it wan`t for the British then India would not exist.There would be no such country.The Indians owe everything,that`s right everything,that they have to us.When we arrived there India was divided into into dozens of little feuding statelets run by a tiny number of vicious maharajas who cared nothing for their people.We united them,civilised them and showed them how to govern a country properly.It`s just a pity that they didn`t learn very well and now have the most corrupt bunch of politicians on the planet.
Re: a bit of a shame
[info]sqms wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 01:09 pm (UTC)
I will first respond to spnfl - I agree, I got carried away. I am really disappointed with the tone of my message.

But all I want to say to blastarrbxiii is that the British were in India for one reason - to exploit India. All the systems, infrastructure et all that were put in place were for their benefit - not ours. And when I say no history, no culture - I am responding to my travels in Africa, Asia and Latin America. So much has been looted and now sits in the British museums.

As for doonhamer, you are exactly what disappoints me about what England is coming to and why the country is failing. You are just uneducated or very badly brought up. I feel sorry for you. But its okay - you will learn the hard way as you will end up working either for an Indian or a Chinese.
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Surely these should be the ones we're bailing out?
[info]togtog wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 01:17 pm (UTC)
If each of the farmers owed even 1000 pounds, a mere 1.5m would have saved 1500 from debt and maybe avoided these suicides. This amount is nothing in comparison to the billions used to bail out our banks. Surely we need a bailout for these people too?
Re: Surely these should be the ones we're bailing out?
[info]suraj_singh wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 01:51 pm (UTC)
This is well said, but the other comments about corruption ring true and loud. The national and local politicians are all corrupt, as are the factories moving into the fields, forcing farmers out. The problems are deep, and growing. Nothing happens without bribing someone. If only everyone had your compassion, then they might be able to fight the corruption.
Re: Surely these should be the ones we're bailing out? - [info]who38 - Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 07:03 pm (UTC) Expand
Expat Indian Resident
[info]jridge101 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 01:18 pm (UTC)
This is one of the most ironic stories out of India. You have to spend some time there to see how religion has deprived the entire society of what we in the West would call progress. Their government is corrupt; nepotism and star power rule. The amount of people staggers the imagination 1500 farmers committing suicide is population relief and retroactive birth control.

The irony is that they have been duped by a western concept of carpet bagging or slave control. One of the only western ideas that they put into practice.
Re: Expat Indian Resident
[info]jimquad wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 05:32 pm (UTC)
Slave control was actually an african and arab concept, dont you know history!!
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Unbelievable comments!
[info]ghandi77 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 01:24 pm (UTC)
How dare the first commenter say such things. This is probably the most unbelievable comment I've ever read, by someone in a country who is on their way to IMF receivorship and a devalued currrency, the worst of any country in Europe as we go into major depression. Have fun feeling you're tops mate! (As you go headlong into hardcore tyranny and depression) You wish you had half the soul and balls of Ghandi you disgusting piece of filth

Cheers!
Re: Unbelievable comments!
[info]hcurtiss wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 02:00 pm (UTC)
Very understandable outrage, but please dont let him get to you! the writer was clearly an illiterate clown who probably reads only the Sun page 3. These half-wits exists, even finding themselves ion the Independent site. Possiblly blame our education system. We have much to learn from India, and even in the current credit crunch would love to share their economic growth. I work in the IT business for companies that rely on IT professionals from India.
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India Ex-pat view
[info]jridge101 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 01:31 pm (UTC)
This is the irony that is India! India is trapped in the past by its deep dogmatic beliefs. Suicide by Hindu standards is an extreme blow to ones spiritual progress. How ironic! It is a depiction of a Western capitalistic practice, incurring on a society that will never change; this is true despair.

Politically it is nothing, 1500 people--lost in a country--staggered by a billion people is hardly a reason to worry. There are over a million cases of TB, and outbreaks of dengue and malaria kill twice that number every year. Surely the author of this article has hardly scratched the surface of life in India.
Re: India Ex-pat view
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 02:23 pm (UTC)

Any death of a human is regrettable. You are wrong and cruel to belittle the death of 1500 people. Point out that more people die of other causes doesnt make this loss of life ok.

I would agree that they should not have taken their lives, would have been better to go to their creditors and ask for more time, failing that even go to prision for non-payment.
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Signs of Global Warming
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 02:16 pm (UTC)

We have been warned about failing rains and changes in weather patterns and rising sea levels.
Need to conserve energy, reduce food wastage, introduce more renewables asap.
A bit of a....!!!!
[info]mowfalmighty wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 02:34 pm (UTC)
A bit of a shame? Its a f****king tragedy to disgusting oik! shame. blastarrbxiii is talking absolute crap, and he is obviously a nasty callous piece of work. What blue chip company do you work for old fruit?
I would just like to say; All UK financiers/bankers/hedge fund managers please take note and do the decent thing. We wont miss you.
Documentary titled "Dying in "profusion""
[info]jnf6 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 03:32 pm (UTC)
http://bit.ly/1iSQ6q

Exantas was a documentary that received european awards about the research and the way it covered and brought into the light stories like this one. World bank, food programs, NGOs, Genetically modified food, corporations, "Food Exchange" - as in Stock exchange,. etc, all covered in this.

Part of the documentary is in greek but it is WORTH watching it as MANY interviews are done in English!

INDIA is covered a lot into the documentary and I posted this following your article about the deaths that "occur" due to debt and economic distress.

http://bit.ly/1iSQ6q
Doonhammer, Ex Pat, Blisterbollix
[info]thesavageirish wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 03:50 pm (UTC)

Wow!
"Hardly what I would call 'mass suicide' even if life is so cheap in India".
"If it wasn't for the British then India would not exist".
"1500 hundred farmers committing suicide is population relief and retroactive birth control"

Seriously.You guys should be in movies. I'd say you could even convince your Mothers that you are human. I have a few scripts I'd like you to look over. Doonboy, I got a great sci fi thriller for you, "Uranus! Here we come". Blisterbollix, you'd be third in the credits but still get billing, "Dumb,Dumber,Dumbest". Ex Pat, there's a biopic in the works where I think you'd be perfect for the title role, "Linda Lovelace". If you don't feel up to starring roles there's plenty of extra spots available in,"10,000 morons under the sea".
Re: Doonhammer, Ex Pat, Blisterbollix
[info]brazil2009 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 08:22 pm (UTC)
LINDA LOVELACE IS THE ONE THAT STARRED "DEEP THROAT"? FUNNY HA HA HA !!!
Re: Doonhammer, Ex Pat, Blisterbollix - [info]tonisoto - Friday, 17 April 2009 at 01:12 am (UTC) Expand
heartless and awful
[info]britfree wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 04:00 pm (UTC)
the first post on this thread was from the depths of evil , if the british had not murdered MILLION upon MILLION of brown people the whole world over , perhaps the crap you talk wouldnt stain your soul quite so much . the truth is the uncounted dead of british exploitation ,mean little to a brutal little sh** such as yourself , i am shocked that in a world of plenty , this terrible tragedy has occured . people should grow up , the desire to shock on an internet comments board shouldnt lead one to damn ones own soul
Re: heartless and awful
[info]irishinrussia wrote:
Saturday, 18 April 2009 at 08:29 am (UTC)
they didn't just murder brown people buddy. If you want to see the effects of civilised British rule you don't even have to leave Europe. We in Ireland are well aware of what they can do to a country- 1844 Ireland had 8 million people, by 1848 we only had 6 milion, and despite Europe's highest birthrate the population continued to fall for more over a century, declining to about 4 million for the whole island. Yes there was a failure of the staple crop of the poor Irish, however the cause of the famine was British social and economic policy in Ireland. For the first two years of the famine Ireland was a net exporter of food. The Irish were forced to live on poor land that would only support subsistence farming of potatoes, while the wealthy British landlords farmed the good land. So to the first poster Blastarbxiii, I would like to ask how such policies which were followed all over the empire, killing tens if not hundreds of millions, display Britain's good government of the Empire. The Empire was not a paragon of good government civilising the ignorant Irish, Indians and Africans, it was the biggest land grab, murder machine and intentional exploitation of militarily weaker nations the world has ever seen. It is interesting how Stalin is denounced as a monster for killing a few million people, yet the British, who killed directly and indirectly (through starvation, impoverishment and disease) considerably more people yet claim they brought civilisation to the world. Do you honestly think that India, Africa, AUstralia, Ireland and all the rest were so barbaric they couldn't rule themselves? If you do then you are essentially a racist who believes in civilisational superiority. You are also unaware of history. When the British first arrived in India the only way in which their civilisation exceeded that of the Indians was in military technology, though the Indian empire was in difficulty it was economically wealthier than the European powers and culturally advanced. As for Ireland, much of the knowledge of the Roman empire was preserved by our monks and monasteries at a time when the rest of Europe was butchering each other. British imperial rule raped, devastated and impoverished much of the globe. Even now Ireland, India and many of the other colonies still suffer from the consequences of British colonial policies. Please go home, stay at home and let us solve our problems without your "civilised" help. Virtually every nation you colonised was left internally divided and facing civil war.
Monsanto
[info]finn18 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 04:03 pm (UTC)
This article doesn't mention the effects of genetically engineered seeds sold to farmers and the contracts they are forced to sign prohibiting from saving 'patented' seeds. This article doesn't mention BT cotton. This article doesn't mention what happens when farmers are lured by necessity to grow unsustainable products, and when the crops fail,or when their water becomes so polluted or non-existent (Coca-cola), they are forced to abandon their land, or leave quietly their lives.

Monsanto Corporation is interfering in traditional farming practices all over the world, by polluting the genetic make-up of cultural diversity in seeds. Monsanto promotes pesticides which cause cancer, birth defects, and the poisoning of ground water and air. Monsanto isn't mentioned in the article above. Why is that?
Re: Monsanto
[info]smytor wrote:
Friday, 17 April 2009 at 12:31 am (UTC)
I completely agree with your assessment of the effects of Monsanto's genetic manipulations. There is only one word to describe this company, and that is EVIL plain and simple. The negative effects of their contamination of our planet with their genetically modified organisms will be with us for many generations, and yet they are allowed to continue on. They are able to pursue this madness because a group of people with some authority decided that life forms could be patented, and that gave birth to the whole concept of a corporation that can own a life form. Although many other corporate entities exploit and damage the environment and ruin people's lives in their insatiable greed for more money, the long term results of Monsanto's efforts to control life forms will, I believe, become a nightmare of gigantic proportions. I don't think enough people realize the dangers we face, or Monsanto would be stopped. I would encourage anyone who cares about the future of our species on this planet to act to stop the uncontrolled and unregulated genetic manipulation of life forms by for-profit corporations.

I also hope that the farmers of India can find a way to eliminate genetically engineered crops from their land rather than choosing to commit suicide. I might add that the article did not explain exactly what prompted these suicides beyond the crop failures. Surely it would be better to remain alive and actively seeking solutions to these problems, one would think. I also realize however that if the circumstances were more thoroughly explained, it might make more sense. Evidently these people felt there was no other way. Still, I feel certain that they would be more valuable alive than dead.
IS YOUR GLASS HALF FULL OR HALF EMPTY?TAKE YOUR PICK.
[info]brazil2009 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 04:15 pm (UTC)
COULD THE UK DO WITHOUT " CHICKEN TIKKA MASSALA"?
COULD INDIA DO WITHOUT '' THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE"? HORRIBLE MISTAKES WERE MADE IN THE PAST BUT THE FACT IS, THE WEATHER PATTERN IS GOING TO GET MORE CHAOTIC AND WE ARE ALL IN THE END TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME. SO ...WE'D BETTER BE ON OUR BEST BEHAVIOUR AND PRAY THAT HUMAN NATURE ( WHICH IS PRETTY NASTY) CHANGES FOR THE BETTER. IF THAT HAPPENS, NATURE, I MEAN THE EARTH WILL BE A PARADISE ( NOT A RELIGIOUS ONE I HOPE) AND EXPECT NO MORE BRAVE ,POOR AND USEFUL FARMERS KILLING THEMSELVES FOR PEANUTS.
Re: IS YOUR GLASS HALF FULL OR HALF EMPTY?TAKE YOUR PICK.
[info]a_cdn wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 06:00 pm (UTC)
India did not require a Colonial invasion to teach them English -- that, I can assure you.
thank you for this eye-opening story: we are all guilty
[info]quickfrench wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 05:29 pm (UTC)
this story is mind boggling...this story should be widely circulated, especially in the West where water is taken for granted, used and abused as if there was no tomorrow: when are children going to be taught that the ratio of water to the earth (drinkable water that is) is as of a drop vs an orange: frightening. We westerners should be all concerned by this tragic story: thank you Belfast Telegraph for bringing to attention & for The Independent for broadcasting it

Charles reesink
Winnipeg, canada
It's a shame alright......ON EVERYONE OF YOU
[info]levelhead247 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 06:03 pm (UTC)
Its really sad to see how inhuman and base some people have become in their thoughts and remarks. None of you show any compassion for those left behind.....

How ignorant some people are when they comment " Indians wanted their independance they did appreciate the order and structure that was built up in India by the British". What such....people can't understand that one needs an infrastructure to operate. Which Britain did and drain the county more of its remaining wealth.

Britain is the biggest bain of the present world. look at the world map you'll know. You don't have to be a history major to understand such a thing.
The British legacy in the Indian sub-continent
[info]cleverhan wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 06:59 pm (UTC)
Today what stagnates India in terms of economic growth is it's low scale of industrialization and use of modern cultivation mechanisms in farming. British should take a moral responsibility of India's deprivation to the modern industrial methods throughout the 200 years when it was ruling India. Enlightenment comes slowly, and what plagues India today is the same exploitative political top structures which the British had left behind, which is indifferent to it's own people. If India holds any place in the world's economic map today, it is because of it's 60 years of freedom.

India's social structure was hardly any reason for anything that is going on in India today. Look at the rest of the sub-continent for a while, even where places where there are no similar social structures. Pakistan, Burma, Bangladesh etc etc. What is the sort of legacy British had left behind in these countries? British exploited the social structures in these societies for their own feudalistic gains. Over 200 years of British rule, which exploited Indian agrarian sector through their friendly native counterparts, is what left the entire Indian sub-continent's farming society in such a miserable state.

The first Europeans reached India in 1498. Back then, Britain was a monarchy. Industrial revolution was still 300-400 years in the future. The Europeans were a racist society, fighting as much amongst themselves just as against the native Indian rulers, plainly motivated by selfishness and greed.

British did not create India. True, they created colonies around all parts of the world. But, then they ruled the entire Indian sub-continent. What created India was it's Nationalistic movement around the early 1900's. What British was successful in doing was dividing the sub-continent over communal lines, thus formulating an exit strategy for themselves.

On the other hand, if anything British took back from India was spirit of peace and a message of non-violence. Probably the world wars played a part in it, which was a culmination of their own mean selfish interests. The anti-imperialistic movements taught the British to look at the third world residents also as human beings.
Farming suicides
[info]tsgordon wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 07:17 pm (UTC)
Although the British have reported about this, the US media is ignoring the story as they always do--protecting big business first. If the banks are in trouble, let them assimilate properties... Owners, nd fmilines be dammed. Somebody big needs to get behind this cause, and I don't mean the usual 'Farm Aid' practioners, I'm thinking more like the Pope. In fact, if I were the Pope, I would hold the entire world hostage over this issue, pledging ALL of the assets of the Catholic Church against the 'damages' being wroght against the poor. And, why not? What's the point of the Church continuing to bilk the poor with promises of heavenly rewards, after forcing them to suffer hell on earth?
tsg
Re: Farming suicides
[info]who38 wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 07:08 pm (UTC)
From your lips to God's ear. He talks to Bennie.
Mass Suicides.
[info]emilycragg wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 07:22 pm (UTC)

Blame the money changers and Monsanto, Elite Corporations don't care about human life.

Know what else Elite Corporations ALLOW and PERMIT to be done in their name?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-CVRFzLoEY Globalists blame "excess population."

Well, it's corporations who are ruining this planet, corporate fascism and thuggery.

Filth.

over population
[info]edpell wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 07:28 pm (UTC)
It sounds like there is over population in India. How much farm land per person in India? How much farm land per person in the UK?
Re: over population
[info]britfree wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 10:54 pm (UTC)
yeah the brits could be culled of some of these heartless bastards
Why is the word "Monsanto" missing from this article?
[info]bitterliving wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 08:06 pm (UTC)
This article seems to go out of its way to avoid mentioning WHY these farmers are in debt. They are in debt because they bought GM seeds from Monsanto that produce crops whose seeds are not viable. They were told by the Monsanto salesmen that these GM seeds would produce more crops. The GM seeds produced less crops last year than the heirloom seeds the farmers had been using. That's why the suicides started LAST year. The drought is now making a bad situation even worse, but the drought is not the primary cause of the problem. The "money lenders" told the farmers that their crops would increase and more than cover the cost of the Monsanto GM seeds. Instead their harvests were poorer than they would have been with seeds used in this area for generations. Now all that has been harvested is despair and death.

Shame on all of you bigots that would blame the victims who have had seeds bred by them and their ancestors for generations stolen from them and patented by Monsanto. Bravo to Germany for banning GM corn from their country.
Re: Why is the word "Monsanto" missing from this article?
[info]grrrr123456 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 09:26 pm (UTC)
yup. Agree completely. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto_in_India

Shameful they don't mention that Monsanto's dirty fingerprints are all over this - the media needs to be held accountable for its lies of omission and obfuscation of real issues. They are the biggest part of the problem - all of the problems in the world. People naiively trust media to inform. They only shill these days.

Sad
[info]rttech82 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 09:00 pm (UTC)
Wow, that is so sad. What is the world coming to?

RT
www.anon-tools.at.tc
I see no evidence that this is a mass suicide
[info]humanist_hermit wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 09:09 pm (UTC)
Very misleading headline.
Re: I see no evidence that this is a mass suicide
[info]brazil2009 wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 02:27 am (UTC)
IN THE BEGINNING I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT. BUT THEN I SAID, WAIT A MINUTE. REMEMBER JIM JONES, THE FOUNDER OF THE PEOPLES TEMPLE? WELL, THAT WAS A MASS SUICIDE. THIS ONE IS NO DIFFERENT. THE SCALE IS EVEN GREATER; WHAT IS DIFFERENT IS THE TIMEFRAME: THERE IT HAPPENED AT ONCE, AND THERE WAS A "MOTIVE". HERE IT HAPPENS BIT BY BIT. IT IS STILL HAPPENING. THE "MOTIVE" IS STILL THERE. IF THIS IS NOT EVIDENCE ENOUGH THAT THIS IS A MASS SUICIDE,IT IS ABOUT TIME WE RETHINK THE CONCEPT OF MASS SUICIDE AND MASS MURDER.WHAT DO YOU THINK?
White racists
[info]stevejones1234 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 10:45 pm (UTC)
So after renting out the Independent Comment columns for a week to the Tamil Tigers the forum poobahs have decided its the turn of the BNP to have them. Both doonhammer and blastarrbixiii conveniently ignore the fact that India accounted for 25% of the World's GNP when the British arrived (more than all of Europe together) and only 4.7% when they left. There can be little doubt that the period of the British Raj was the worst governed period in Indian history, with two massive famines caused by government policy (1879 and 1943) and the systematic looting of native Indian institutions in order to enrich the bank accounts of the East India company bigwigs and their bosses back home. As for the idiotic notion that the British 'created India' I suggest reading some details of the Ashokan Empire of 2,300 years ago, as well as the Mughal Empire under Akbar for example (as I said before the most powerful and richest country in the world).

With regard to suicide amongst farmers one of the main reasons for its prevalence is media coverage causing copycat suicides and the opportunity in the form of copious cans of weed killer.

Monsanto may be responsible in some cases. In others, such as the case of chili farmers who borrowed when the price of chili was high only to find it fall as a result of overproduction blame is more spread out.

What is clear is that the globalized market that sent so many small farmers down the road to ruin of producing cash crops, has done almost nothing to help India's poor.
News Story
[info]shoboingerooo wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 01:04 am (UTC)
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