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$600 for a Kalashnikov – a sign of bloodshed to come in Afghanistan

Surging demand for weapons raises fears of violence as allegations of vote-rigging by Karzai grow

By Kim Sengupta in Kabul

Pashtun supporters from southern Afghanistan greet Hamid Karzai's main opponent, Abdullah Abdullah, right, in Kabul yesterday

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Pashtun supporters from southern Afghanistan greet Hamid Karzai's main opponent, Abdullah Abdullah, right, in Kabul yesterday

The price of Kalashnikovs has doubled in Afghanistan. For a country awash with arms, the fact that the weapons are now fetching $600 apiece is a cause of some surprise, but a surge of demand is to blame for the increase, with a steady stream of weapons said to be heading for the north.

This is the Tajik constituency of Abdullah Abdullah, the presidential candidate who claims the election is being stolen by the incumbent Western-backed President, Hamid Karzai.

The arms shipments are a source of alarm in a country where political stand-offs have often been settled at the point of a gun. Few Western diplomats claim there is an immediate danger of civil war but tensions are mounting after polls which have been mired in bitterness and recrimination.

In the next few days, Mr Karzai is expected to pass the 50 per cent of the votes he needs to avoid a second round of polling and to retain the presidency.

The demographic factors all point towards this. Mr Karzai has 46 per cent of the votes, counted predominantly from the north and west which should be the stronghold of Dr Abdullah, the former foreign minister who trails with 33 per cent.

The ballots yet to be tallied will be from the Pashtun south and east, in which the President is the overwhelming favourite to win.

Mr Karzai's opponents are putting their faith in more than 2,500 complaints of voting irregularities – 691 of them described as serious charges – that the complaints commission has received. Most of them emanate from the south – The Independent witnessed what appeared to be flagrant fraud at Nad-e-Ali in Helmand, with ballot stuffing on behalf of the President.

Investigators say many of the complaints will be difficult to prove and even if officials are found guilty of malpractice, the penalty would be fines and disbarment from taking part in future elections rather than the wholesale discounting of votes.

Analysts point out that even if the commission decided that votes from some polling stations in the Pashtun belt were invalid, Mr Karzai would be the overwhelming beneficiary of the ones still considered valid.

Western powers, whose soldiers are fighting and dying in Afghanistan, supposedly so democracy takes root, are embarrassed by the apparent fraud.

The Obama administration, which has taken a noticeably harder stance against Mr Karzai than the Bush White House, is said to prefer a second-round run-off between Mr Karzai and Dr Abdullah to at least maintain the appearance of probity. During Mr Karzai's tempestuous 19-minute meeting last week with Richard Holbrooke, the US envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, the American diplomat is said to have stated: "Too many votes have been stolen by your side, there has to be a second round" prompting Mr Karzai to storm out. Mr Holbrooke's officials maintain that the talks were amicable.

Yet, according to some analysts, a second round would be seen as having been engineered by the Americans and would lead to deep Pashtun resentment. "The Americans are fighting in the south, killing Pashtuns, they are pressing for a second round to prevent a Pashtun, Hamid Karzai, from being President as long as possible. This may be simplistic but it is how a lot of Pashtuns will look at this," said one analyst, Waheed Mujhda.

"It will look like interference by the West, especially by the Americans. It will not be good for the country."

Fellow analyst Zalmai Afzhali said: "Some people in America have their views about Mr Karzai. But he is an Afghan and the fact is that we are having these elections which have mainly gone off peacefully, with him in charge."

One reason that Mr Karzai appears to have done well in the north is because of block votes secured for him by allies Mohammed Fahim and Abdul Rashid Dostum, ex-warlords and power-brokers in the region.

But Mr Mujhda said that consensus may fall apart if there was a second round. "Then the voting would be Pashtun versus Tajik, south versus north, and there is definitely a fear that this may spread into violence."

In the Panjshir Valley, the heartland of the Northern Alliance where Dr Abdullah fought beside Ahmed Shah Masoud, the legendary commander murdered by al-Qa'ida at the behest of the Taliban, a former Mujaheddin fighter said the Tajiks would not tolerate being deprived by a fraudulent poll.

At his home, as he unwrapped an oiled cloth to show off a Kalashnikov and a Glock pistol, the former Mujahedeen commander Gul Shah Mohammed declared: "We know how to use these weapons, we haven't forgotten how to fight."

British deaths: Soldiers named

Two soldiers killed on foot patrol in Afghanistan on Monday have been named as Sergeant Stuart Millar, 40, from Inverness, and Private Kevin Elliott, 24, from Dundee.

Insurgents are believed to have used a rocket-propelled grenade to attack the soldiers from The Black Watch, 3rd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland. The pair were patrolling in Babaji District, Helmand Province when they died.

Their deaths bring to 210 the number of British military personnel killed in Afghanistan since operations began in 2001.

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"He was a soldier, a Scottish soldier..."
[info]mdroogpoppins wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 12:08 am (UTC)
210 dead for what? Did they achieve something? Surely they didn't die in vain?

The truth is that they lived worthless lives and died pointless deaths but will anyone admit it? Will such an outrageous assertion ever see publication?
There's such a lot of hypocrisy floating around that the first casualty of war is frequently covered up.
Oh well.
Re: "He was a soldier, a Scottish soldier..."
[info]luka_kuzmich wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 05:37 am (UTC)
Oh no, not pointless. McBroon scored some more Broonie Points with his Yankee masters, sucking their cocks like the spineless scrote he is.
Re: "He was a soldier, a Scottish soldier..."
[info]jaded63 wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 05:47 am (UTC)
'Worthless lives'? Don't bother to try and substantiate such a worthless statement, do you.
Re: "He was a soldier, a Scottish soldier..."
[info]knowles2 wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 06:54 am (UTC)
They have achieve something, they allowed the construction of thousands of miles of new roads, installing turbines in a fdamve, 5 millions refugess back home, hundred thousands of Afghanistan troops train. 6 million kids in school.
Afghan economy growing by about 7% a year.
50,000 Taliban dead.
The truth is they have achieve a lot, the problem is it time to do it, Helman was the most difficult of the provences in Afghanistan and Britain is slowly turning it around.
Re: "He was a soldier, a Scottish soldier..."
[info]littleglimmer wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 03:56 pm (UTC)
You sound like a total arse. 50,000 Taleban dead? Thousands of miles of new roads? 5 million refugees back home?
Afghan economy growing? Kabul, the capital, has still only electricity for a few hours each day. Hotel prices and goods in the shops in Kabul are beyond the imaginings of the population (which is only 28 million for the whole country).
How about some statistics about the growth in the heroin trade? Or the $billions of 'aid' being syphoned out into US companies? (check out the Louis Berger Group, Dyncorp, Halliburton for starters). Check out how much money is being spent by the Pentagon on private companies to carry out 'security' and 'interrogation'.
USAID gives money directly to US companies, it never gets to Afhanistan; the conditions of schools, hospitals and 'roads' are deteriorating.
A director of the World Bank, Jean Mazurelle, said "There is real looting going on, mainly by private enterprises".

The soldiers are fighting for their lives out there, because they have been ordered to do it, not because they volunteered to fight a worthy cause. And safely behind are those who ordered them and the lice who glut themselves on the soldiers' sacrifices. It really is a hard story to tell the relatives.
Covert ops
[info]headsnoface wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 07:34 am (UTC)
The USA had covert operations during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, this could be in reversal now. One day we are told ,we are winning the war against the Taliban, and the next day we are told the Taliban are gaining ground again. It is obvious that the weapons are coming from somewhere. Most of us believe Uk and Us lives are being lost pointlessly and as history has shown us, this land will never be controlled by outside forces. Bush and Blair have a lot to answer for.
[info]jawansher wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 08:12 am (UTC)
WAHEED MUJDAH is a PASHTUN FASCIST - he was part of the TALIBAN and is solely concerned with the preservation of a PASHTUN power. The fraud is something which does not even cross his min - as in his tribal min d- all that matters is hat Pashtuns are in charge. It is during Karzai's reign that countless bombs have been raining onto the south... so is totally disingenuous and just a simple supporter of Karzai.

These tribally minded 'analysts' should not be given a voice.
WAHEED MUJDAH IS A PASHTUN FASCIST.
[info]jawansher wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 08:13 am (UTC)
WAHEED MUJDAH is a PASHTUN FASCIST - he was part of the TALIBAN and is solely concerned with the preservation of a PASHTUN power. The fraud is something which does not even cross his min - as in his tribal min d- all that matters is hat Pashtuns are in charge. It is during Karzai's reign that countless bombs have been raining onto the south... so is totally disingenuous and just a simple supporter of Karzai.

These tribally minded 'analysts' should not be given a voice.
Afghanistan and its future (if any)
[info]maxim02 wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 03:23 pm (UTC)
1)When the US forces gained control over Afghanistan, I presume that they considered that the country had to obediently follow their directives and install a kind of Western democratic system. They had the recent Russian example, they created a Taliban army but they ignored the possible consequences.
2)Iraq was much more interesting. A ruined country (remember the embargo), a divided country but a promising one with rich oil reserves. The Carlyle Group, Halliburton, Blackwater for instance ( a contractor), the oil Majors etc Now, in August 2009 some 456 Iraqis killed by bomb attacks (and the many wounded)heralding a civil war with many candidates (Sunnites, Shiites, Kurds, Turkmen )
3)A sizeable part of US forces are bogged down in Iraq but want to keep there a number of bases from which they could launch air attacks against a neighbouring evil country (one never knows)
4)Now we had elections in Afghanistan but we knew beforehand that they should be rigged. The results are strange as a part of the country known as supporting the Tadjik Abdullah Abdullah was apparently favouring the ineffable Hamid Karzaļ who is not lily-white either. Consequence: the results are thrown into doubt with very few solutions left.
5)There is only one way out i.e. a kind of loose confederaton which includes some risks as Pashtun should prefer unification with their "brothers" of Northern Pakistan, the Iranians should be interested in the Herat region which is shiite but if the Tadjiks speak Persian, they are Sunni. The puzzle did not change during these years of turmoil.
6)The noble tasks proposed by the General Petraeus Mesopotamius ( the Victor of Iraq "surge") is to "win hearts and minds" of the population: this should have been the motto six years ago with all available US forces and refrain from opening a second war at the same time. Adding now twenty or thirty thousand soldiers is not going to change the rules of the game
7)There is only one way out: to stage a kind of democratic semblance and keep bases where they are requested by one or some autonomous regions (see "Confederatione) in order to insure a relative safety.The question is no longer "how to win " but "how to leave with the honours of war". This should have been the first question but the Americans clearly forgot the harsh Viet Nam lesson, their hasty and not exactly brilliant retreat from Mogadiscio !
8)My personal conclusion: excellent Marines, well organized and powerful Air force but sometimes a hesitant High Command as soldiers or generals are in a democratic army and have to obey the orders from ignorant politicians who misguided this deadly game.
Maxim02 (by the way, I am a former Staff officer )
Re: Afghanistan and its future (if any)
[info]littleglimmer wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 08:54 pm (UTC)
OK, Respect for that. At last a perceptive analysis without the distasteful xenophobic bile as though the situation is like playing Doom computer game.

However, I feel that the country and it's people are not suited for Western-style democracy - certainly not in a million years suited to be a US-clone. They have a history many times longer than the US and a diversity of ethnicity as least as wide as the US. We in the West should not, and in moral terms surely cannot, tell the Afghans how to meld together as an homogeneous country/nation in a 'democratic' way when in all probability they cannot. And why should they? The Balkans only managed it under a harsh corrupt totalitarian regime and the Balkans have been going at it ever since humans lived there.

Only the terminally stupid can propose that the US democratic model is the best form of self-rule.

In Afghanistan the 'alliance' badly wants out and the only way is to sell the idea that 'democracy' has arrived - there is no way that the Taleban or Al Queda is going to be eliminated. That's why the shit is now hitting the fan - various military surges and operations have not only failed but have cost very dearly. The last hope was that the elections could be hurriedly pushed home without too much fuss - who cares who wins? But the level of attention being paid to the degree of corruption and vote-rigging far exceeds recent Iran (which the US stupidly used to whip up international indignation). Now the cat is out of the bag and whatever the Afghan result, it looks as though there will be colossal trouble between the many different factions. Yet again, a fundamental and fatal non-understanding of the country and its peoples has created a deadly quagmire.

The US kicked this wasp nest with their big boots, now they are discovering that all we get is a lot of mad wasps and a lot of stings. Foolish beyond imagining.

The way to counter Al Queda is, and always has been, through intelligence and international law. Not military power.




Re: Afghanistan and its future (if any)
[info]littleglimmer wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 09:05 pm (UTC)
And I do include the UK in the culpability as well. Blair took us in head first after his own extraordinary rendition. Although there are many in the UK who grieve over that and oppose this situation, we in the UK have to admit to being responsible for what the UK has done in our name.
My son will be the 500th.
[info]jl3793 wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 04:32 pm (UTC)
My son made it back from his first tour with all his body parts still intact, although that can't be said for many in his troop who are missing fingers, legs, eyes and ears, or who aren't living anymore. As in totally dead and buried. We're just waiting to hear about his next rotation back there - some nine years after it all started. I know he will be the 500th. And I know that it will have been all in vain.
It's no use
[info]alanski wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 07:21 pm (UTC)
Denigrating or blaming the soldiers. They're there as part of the job that they signed up for. There have been many words written about this conflict and it's plain that those who make the decisions are not reading or caring about the swell of adverse public opinion. These so called leaders have an agenda which they will follow right or wrong.

The fact is they've all entered this war knowing the history and now they're so deeply entrenched they can't find a way out. The loss of soldiers means much less than the assault on their bloated egos. They cannot say that they were wrong and so we get the steady drip of casualties and deaths of civilians.

The exit when it does come will be tortuous. It will start when slowly the Nato bunch gradually pull out each citing their own reasons perhaps a change of government back home etc. Always a good time to make a move aka Spain in Iraq. The big one will be the Canadians saying enough is enough. They've lost plenty of their young men more than France, Australia, Germany etc put together.

We all know who will hang in there until the bitter end. GB, USA the East Europeans eager to gain their brownie points. I'm only surprised that a country such as the UK which is currently in deep trouble financially can afford to continue to pay for this adventure. They obviously care little for their troops.
In the last couple of weeks they've written off two huge Chinooks which cost the thick end of 15 million
pounds. You could build a pretty nice new hospital with that kind of money. Still it will help the military industry get through the hard times eh!

I am anti war anyway but I certainly don't see that knocking your basic squaddie will achieve anything.
I salute their fortitude and hope that at least some of em get home safely.
AKs Double in price
[info]robertsgt40 wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 08:00 pm (UTC)
Supply and demand in action. Same here in the states. Investing in guns returns a lot mire than buying paper stocks, Stock market down 40%...guns up 40%. At least we still have the 2nd Ammendment...for now
Reason is very simple
[info]musafir_uk wrote:
Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 10:06 pm (UTC)
United States is trying to bring a democratecaly elected president Hamid Karzai under its control and influence by encouraging civil war and supporting its puppet Northern Alliance Leader Double Abdullah to create unrest in Afghanistan, Which will not be successfull. Every one should accept the outcomes of this election who ever wins it. I don't think there was any fraud in the election from anyside because making false videos is not very difficult now adays. I think Afghan people deserve a great and peaceful future because in such a difficult situation with Taliban's threats, Afghan people went and voted with great courage although some have also lost their body parts when Taliban cut their fingers for taking parts in the election.

If this election was not accepted and the mijority was not respected than there will be another standup from pashtoon dominated areas (As today, there were gathering in 3 pashtoon provinces, Khost, Paktia and Paktika) where tribal leaders decided that there should be respect for the election results and also no involment from the international community, otherwise there will be such a stand which could be unstopable in the pashtoon dominated areas.

My advise for the US administration (Mr Halbrook) is that, do not encourage your puppies for any unrest. Otherwise, the sitauation will be even worse. Afghan people do not need to spend millions of dollors on another election and also do not need to cut their fingers, noses from Talibans. These money shoud be spend for the the infrastructure. Further, the international community should empower Afghan National Army as soon as they can. THis will also help US and Nato to take their forces out and handit over to Afghan Army. The only solution is to accept the result of this election and work with the same government which was also elected democrately in 2005.

Thanks

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