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Top Army officers reveal surge in attacks by radicalised Britons

By Kim Sengupta

Royal Marine Commandos fire mortars to flush out enemy insurgents

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Royal Marine Commandos fire mortars to flush out enemy insurgents

British soldiers are engaged in "a surreal mini civil war" with growing numbers of home-grown jihadists who have travelled to Afghanistan to support the Taliban, senior Army officers have told The Independent.

Interceptions of Taliban communications have shown that British jihadists – some "speaking with West Midlands accents" – are active in Helmand and other parts of southern Afghanistan, according to briefing papers prepared by an official security agency.

The document states that the numbers of young British Muslims, "seemingly committed jihadists", travelling abroad to commit extremist violence has been rising, with Pakistan and Somalia the most frequent destinations.

MI5 has estimated that up to 4,000 British Muslims had travelled to Pakistan and, before the fall of the Taliban, to Afghanistan for military training. The main concern until now has been about the parts some of them had played in terrorist plots in the UK. Now there are signs that they are mounting missions against British and Western targets abroad. "We are now involved in a kind of surreal mini-British civil war a few thousand miles away," said one Army officer.

Somalia is also becoming a destination for British Muslims of Somali extraction who have started fighting alongside al-Qa'ida-backed Islamist forces. A 21-year-old Briton of Somali extraction, who had been brought up in Ealing, west London, recently blew himself up in the town of Baidoa, killing 20 people. The head of MI5, Jonathan Evans, has raised the worrying issue of British citizens being indoctrinated in Somalia, and Michael Hayden, the outgoing head of the CIA, warned that the conflict in the Horn of Africa had "catalysed" expatriate Somalis in the West.

But it is in Afghanistan that British forces are now directly facing fellow Britons on the other side. RAF Nimrod aircraft flying over Afghanistan at up to 40,000ft have been picking up Taliban electronic "chatter" in which voices can be heard in West Midlands and Yorkshire accents. Worryingly for the military, this has increased in the past few months, with communications picked up by both ground and air surveillance, showing the presence of more British voices in the Taliban front line.

The men involved are said to try to hide their British connections but sometimes "fall back" into speaking English. One senior military source said: "We have been hearing a lot more Punjabi, Urdu and Kashmiri Urdu rather than just Pashtu, so there appears to be more men from other parts of Pakistan fighting with the Taliban than just the Pashtuns who have tribal allegiances with the Afghan Pashtuns. It is this second group, the Urdu, Punjabi speakers etc, who fall back into English in, for example, Brummie accents. You get the impression that they have been told not to talk in English but sometimes simply can't help it."

Some of the British Muslims had originally trained in Pakistan to commit attacks in Kashmir. But security sources say the rising threat of Indian retribution, especially after the Mumbai attacks, had led to the Pakistani government curbing the activities of the Kashmiri separatist groups, so the fighters are being switched to Afghanistan. The numbers involved in Afghanistan, the intelligence document shows, are relatively few, dozens rather than hundreds, but the pattern of involvement is described as a cause for concern.

Last week, during a visit to Helmand, the Foreign Secretary, David Milliband, was shown Taliban explosive devices containing British-made electronic components. An explosives officer said the devices had either been sent from Britain, or brought over to the country. They ranged from remote-control units used to fly model airplanes to advanced components which could detonates bombs at a range of more than a mile.

Evidence of British Muslims fighting inside Afghanistan and training in insurgent camps in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas has been provided to the UK authorities by the Americans. The US has significantly stepped up its surveillance inside Pakistan as part of a more aggressive policy including cross-border raids by unmanned Predator aircraft.

The Americans are said to have raised the issue of the Pakistan connection, complaining that the UK is not doing enough to curb radical Muslims. The US pointed out that this threatens their own security because UK passport holders can get into the US under the visa waiver programme. The Conservative MP Patrick Mercer, the chairman of the Commons' sub-committee on anti-terrorism, which has been examining the activities of British Muslim extremists, said: "We know the problem we have with UK-based jihadists. We also know that a number of them have been arrested trying to leave the country. With the UK intelligence services at full stretch, it is not surprising some of these jihadists had ended up in Afghanistan."

Brigadier Ed Butler, the former commander of British forces in Afghanistan, said British Muslims were fighting his forces. "There are British passport holders who live in the UK who are being found in places such as Kandahar," he said. "There is a link between Kandahar and urban conurbations in the UK. This is something the military understands but the British public does not."

Robert Emerson, a security analyst who has worked in South Asia, said: "There is ample evidence that British Muslims had trained in camps in Pakistan. What is emerging now is a picture of them being more active in Afghanistan, either providing support and logistics or in active service. The numbers are not particularly large, but it is worrying."

Jonathan Evans, of MI5, said the number of extremists wanting to travel to Iraq had "tailed off significantly" as Britain begins the drawdown of its troops in the country. But there was "traffic" into Pakistan and Afghanistan. "What happens in Afghanistan is extremely important because what happens there has a direct impact on domestic security in the UK," he said. "Pre-2001, they were able to establish terrorist facilities and to draw hardened extremists and vulnerable recruits to indoctrinate and teach techniques. If the Taliban is able to establish control over significant areas, there is a real danger that such facilities will be re-established."

Last week, as Barack Obama ordered 17,000 extra US troops into Afghanistan, a confidential Nato report revealed that more than 30 per cent of the population believed the government of President Hamid Karzai had lost control of the areas in which they live and much of that has slipped back into Taliban control.

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Mini Civil War
[info]sakalain wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 12:31 am (UTC)
It seems the comment with regards to the mini civil war ie that the British army are fighting homegrown Jihadists is definitely a lie as in todays age even if midland accent sounding homegrown jihadist would have been found or even a teenie weenie evidence found the army would be letting all hell loose in the media so the British Army who are the arse wipes of the US should get out of Afghanistan and live the muslims alone. Let them come back here and catch the real war criminals like Blair and Jack Straw who are hiding behind vetos so as not to be found out about the lies about starting an illegal war in Iraq and afghanistan. Bloody Murderers
Re: Mini Civil War
[info]chanch5 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 01:28 am (UTC)
Amen. The more I think about it the more I realise Kim Sengupta is following the line that invading Afghanistan and killing people is ok. Travelling to Afghanistan to help defend it is not.
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[info]chanch5 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 12:32 am (UTC)
"[...][the numbers of young British [soldiers] travelling abroad to commit extremist violence has been rising[...]" My addition.

Its funny you didn't pick up on that obvious one, Kim.

Army is fighting British jihadists in Afghanistan
[info]michaelrhooper wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 01:00 am (UTC)
This report should really come as no surprise to anyone who has read of the terror that these young men have been carrying out in this country. There have been so many court cases, and ongoing ones of men trying to carry out mass destruction of transatlantic flights, bombing Glasgow Airport, 7/7 just to name a few. We have just welcomed back to the fold Mr Binyam Mohamed. He is a trained terrorist that was caught with a false passport in Pakistan. We are so stupid in this country trying to placate the extremists in the Islamic society that live in the security of our country. Why are we bothering to listen to his tales of woes is beyond me, the country has to defend itself from extremist who do not have any compassion, and will kill anyone in order to satisfy and fulfil their twisted beliefs. Our troops are being killed daily in Afghanistan by the likes of Mr Mohamed and young British radicalised extremist Muslim men who receive their training in the same manner as Mr Mohamed. I would suggest that the above report above should be compulsory reading for all the bleeding hearts and lawyers that defend these vile men
Re: Army is fighting British jihadists in Afghanistan
[info]chanch5 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 01:30 am (UTC)
"He is a trained terrorist that was caught with a false passport in Pakistan"

Well, if it was true about the false passport, then he must be a "terrorist" now mustn't he.

My God how much compulsory reading would it take you before you snapped out of it?!!!!!! :)
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Best of Luck to Them.
[info]infangthief wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 01:42 am (UTC)

They might not have the big guns or the cluster bombs, but right is on their side and so is time.
Good luck lads and safe home!
Re: Best of Luck to Them.
[info]mrjingles3 wrote:
Thursday, 26 February 2009 at 07:55 am (UTC)
These bastards are home. How is the UK their home?
Mini Civil War
[info]maxgoldfinger wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 02:06 am (UTC)
The Brits are as stupid as the americans.
Both countries should stop letting muslims
into our countires. and both should start
deporting all muslims currently in our
countries
Re: MAXyMIDAS
[info]charityplayer wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 02:43 am (UTC)

BY THE SAME TOKEN,
DEPORTING ALL YOUR JEWS TO ISRAEL
WOULD BE SEEN A FRIENDLY ACT BY MUSLIM SHOPKEEPERS EVERYWARE
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International Brigade
[info]infangthief wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 02:31 am (UTC)

In fact what is needed is people to come from all over the world to kick out the invaders.
Brits deserve it
[info]mildbrew wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 04:03 am (UTC)
First they raped India... then left it broke and badly divided with the Kashmir issue unresolved, they thought they would let the bloody natives fight it out, but Karma is a b1tch.

Then they have been abusing South Asians in the UK for decades, and have never made them feel part of the nation, unlike the USA where everyone has a stake in the nation, and is a truer melting pot, the arrogant brits have mistreated and misused the south asians and really have only themselves to blame for this phenomenon.

Who else can you blame, when your own citizens are fighting against you. Stop blaming everything and everyone but yourselves.

I was born in the UK, and left it when I was 3 months old, grew up in the US and am of South Asian origin, and love the US and would die for my country. I know many UK brit Muslims who feel the Brits treat them like sh1t.
Re: Brits deserve it
[info]ganef wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 06:03 am (UTC)
Perhaps they should follow your example and leave the country. I am sure the 22 Muslim countries of the Middle East would welcome them and introduce them to Sharia law.
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comments seem to prove the point
[info]solutionsplease wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 04:10 am (UTC)
If the commenters are living in the UK but hate the British troops, why do they live in the UK? Why not move wholesale to some place they'd be happier rather than longing for the death of the troops--who let's face it would like nothing better than to be shed of Afghanistan. But if they leave, who will secure education for young women and those terrorized by the Taliban? Or do the commenters support Taliban actions to opress women?
And how would the commenters bring peace to Afghanistan? Would they allow the ISI to control the politics as they seek to do in Kashmir?
Why not move wholesale to some place they'd be happier
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:55 am (UTC)
and allow themselves to be pushed out of where there genes are fossilised by big oil and its carpet-baggers and quislings? Ask 99% of Afghans and Iraqies

http://geocities.com/cronyblatcher
[info]mikebrisco wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 04:15 am (UTC)
to any terrorists reading this - forget about bombing trains in London - go fight the British army in Afghanistan! It's your big chance!

And our big chance too - to be rid of you.

Once in Afghanistan, you will be right up against a professional trained army. They cant call in air strikes in Bradford, but they can in Afghanistan.... Also, we can listen in and find out who you are - when you check in for the return flight, you might find you cant get back into Britain.

Terrorists are not wanted in Britain, by any sections of the community . Terrorists kid themselves, some sections of the community support them - but take my word for it, even those sections, would rather be rid of the terrorists, and will be glad when they're gone.
Re:Why not move wholesale to some place they'd be happier
[info]norddz wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 12:11 pm (UTC)
Does that also include all British born Jews who have served in the IDF. After all you wouldn't want to be seen as a hypocrite, would you?
uk
[info]paulnali wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 04:34 am (UTC)
this natio the uk takes some battering from all the ethnic groups yet is and has been one of the kindest countries in the world have you tried letting a non muslim brit get help in these muslim nations or a house or benefits or any financial aid IT DOES NOT HAPPEN MAN THEY DO NOT GIVE YOU NOTHING since when did the UK owe foreign people so much why don,t those with SO MANY issues just LEAVE because theyc an,t they are funded and looked after by this mother of nations this beautiful kind ountry tell me I,am wrong as you leave please !.
Fruits of Multiculturalism
[info]jerry_wawro wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 04:37 am (UTC)
One must accept pernitious results of multiculturalism on society. Western governments should have insisted on assimilation but now it seems too late. By the way, why is it regarded as apparently normal to see British - Jewish youth going to train and fight for Israel Defence Force? Perhaps this subject merits an article of its own, eh?
Re: Fruits of Multiculturalism
[info]exec_ceo wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:36 am (UTC)
Oh look, another jerk trying to shift the VERY REAL PROBLEM of crazy islamic fundamentalists into a jew-bashing discussion.
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UK jews are not fighting UK soldiers - duh! - [info]r_cavendish - Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:39 am (UTC) Expand
Afghanistan
[info]thomasth wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 05:50 am (UTC)
There are two problems here.

One is that the British army is waging an immoral war of occupation in Afghanistan.

The second is that Britain has allowed in a people who loathe Britain and all it stands for.
Re: Afghanistan
[info]chanch5 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 10:28 am (UTC)
You don't see any connection between the immoral war in Afghanistan, which is in reality "what Britain stands for" (as opposed to any abstract notions not put into practice) and the political stance of people who apparently loathe such an immoral position?
IDF or the Taliban?
[info]zaki77 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 05:55 am (UTC)
If Jews who hold British citizenship can go to Israel and legally fight within the occupying IDF against Palestinians; in the same scope, it becomes justifiable to some Muslims who hold British citizenship, to go to Afghanistan and fight the occupying forces there or anywhere else where they feel see injustice. What's good for the goose is good for the gander as they say...
Re: IDF or the Taliban?
[info]ganef wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 06:25 am (UTC)
The British Jews who join (openly) the IDF do so to help defend their fellow Jews. A British Muslim joining the Taliban in order to fight the British army is hardly the same, except in your warped mind. You use the word "occupying" yet do not define what you mean. Many to these columns suggest that Israel is occupied, in which case Muslim Pakistan is also occupied and should be immediately handed back to India. And why is the largest number of Muslims in Indonesia?
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Re: When/If UK Jews join Hamas then you have your taliban equivilant - [info]ganef - Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:57 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Exactly Ganuf!! Well put. - [info]r_cavendish - Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 10:10 am (UTC) Expand
Why are we there?
[info]49niner wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 06:18 am (UTC)
I have never understood the rationale of our involvement in Afghanistan. We are fighting in a country where we don't belong. We don't understand the culture, and our record of military success in the area over 2 centuries is disasterous.

Whether British born Muslims are involved to the extent claimed is anyone's guess. As we have found out over recent years, governments and intellegence services will tell any lies to justify their march to war. You only have to look at the Iraq debacle to understand that. No wonder Jack Straw vetoed the release of the Iraq War Cabinet minutes. It might have let the cat out of the bag.

We are losing the war in Afghanistan. We have more important battles on the home front. Let's try building bridges to alienated communities within our midst. War never solves anything.
Re: Why are we there?
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:20 am (UTC)
Because big oil offered the Taliban government "carpets of gold or carpet bombing" and were told to piddle awf.
The British government has been a poodle of big oil since the children's milk snatcher signed up. There is also the additional small matter of the profit involved in producing the "drugs at our school gates" (I quote Wonderone) delivered there mostly by another of his unsavoury allies in the Balkans
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Time to vet all muslims
[info]mrjingles3 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 06:53 am (UTC)
All muslims in the UK should be arrested, interned and asked if they support the Taliban, terrorism and if they are prepared to take a loyalty oath to Queen and country.
Re: Time to vet all muslims
[info]chakku71 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 07:31 am (UTC)
To vet Muslims is a great idea but along side if we also vetted the fellow brits (Scots, Irish & Welsh) many may not be happy to take oath for queen and country!
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Re: Time to vet all muslims - [info]mrjingles3 - Thursday, 26 February 2009 at 07:54 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Time to vet all muslims - [info]49niner - Thursday, 26 February 2009 at 09:22 am (UTC) Expand
It's time we addressed this problem.
[info]rickitickitavi wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 07:01 am (UTC)
How ridiculous this is. I simply hope that the government takes this information seriously. A full investigation is called for and politically correct politicians need to understand the insidious damage which they are inflicting on this country by defending these people and their ilk.
Indy readers?
[info]freedommonger wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 07:17 am (UTC)
Presumably these british Muslims have been treated to the last six years of hate and lies about the USA and Arabs victimhood. You know, all the stuff this paper has spewed out for years.

- Stealing Iraqi oil - a lie
- Making permanent bases - a lie
- Installing a puppet govt - a lie

The truth is that the USA emancipated 27 million Iraqis, period. They are for better or worse free and sovereign. To the onsternation of sso many it looks like they will be very successful as well. They have after got VAST amounts of oil to produce, if they choose to. Upwards of three times there stated reserves I think, bigger than Saudi (at their official - i.e. lie - reserves anyway).

Imagine how many jihadis would be created if that was the narrative, "The USA emancipated you but might have been able to do it better, we cant really tell though as no one else has ever done similar, nor would it seems so selfish are they!" instead of the quasi racist lies about the imperial USA (do they have a death star as well? Oooohhhh.) occupying and stealing from Iraqis as their new masters.

The mother of the 18 year old recently convicted of terrorist activities in the UK said that she thought that her son had been radicalised by the UK media

She is of course right.

Its been a truly sickening display from the street of shame. It disgusts me and I hope you can tell how enraged I still am at this self indulgent teenage display to sell papers opn the blood of our soldiers and innocent Iraqis and Afghans

And now, as no one wants to talk about Iraq anymore (because it is successful and thus both embarasses and shames you for it is free in spite of you and despite you isnt it) your hate is turned on Afghans or the old beloved favourite, the Palestinians. They can bleed for you to prove your infantile conspiracy theories now instead of Iraqis! The papers must sell!! Today programme must have more listeners (its a "flagship" (sic))

The same lies as above are being told today by the same people with the same mental dysfunction about new victims. The need to be victims directly by proxy and accuse others who might shame you otherwise by being better seems to be most (personally empty/unhappy?) peoples first and perhaps only "real" need. It absolves them, it avoids addressing the real responsibilities that men have to thgeir fellow men in obscene real politic and thats home base. Pathetic. Thank god for America and some decency in the world, there seems to be so litlle in Europe, they even do the same to each other as we see in the beggar thy neighbour protectionism that Euros wallow in at the first excuse.

Maybe Putin should give western Europe a 50 year lesson in freedom and enbd the endemic deflation in its value in Eurp? Putin needs the resource grab and frankly, who would lift a finger to defend a Europeans liberty? They would not for anyone else, ever, so f em I say.
Re: Indy readers?
[info]zaki77 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 07:43 am (UTC)
"Stealing" detracts from the real word which is "appropriation" of Iraqi oil. How do you explain all major oil contracts being awarded to the countries that took part in the illegal invasion and rape of Iraq. In fact the puppet government in Baghdad is mulling the idea of separating the ministry of energy. Saddam made it hazardous for US oil corporations to function normally, something had to be done.

Making permanent bases is a fact and only a desanitised zombiw would deny it. Washington has long touted the "Korea model" in Iraq. Calls are made for maintaining three or four major bases in the country and would include the base at Al Asad in Anbar Province, Balad Air Base about 50 miles north of Baghdad, and Tallil Air Base in the south.

Saddam was a puppet for the west once. Until he no longer bowed to their dictates, that's when he was removed under a the lie of WMD! you dimwit.
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[info]the_kegs wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 07:32 am (UTC)
What we need is the return of National Service. Let's get all our Brit-Muslim brethren to take a turn on the front line. Then it would be a true civil war, brother against brother.
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:35 am (UTC)
If there was a return of national service it would radically change the socio/economic/political landscape of Britain and probably eliminate the cause of the problem completely
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Another manifestaion of Blatcherism coming home to roost
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 07:50 am (UTC)
If thirty years of subversive misgovernment had not banarepublicanised Britain and invited the unwanted of other societies to settle both as cheap fodder for a black economy and as apartheid populations of ghettos in which education is even worse than that endured by the average Briton:

1. British forces would not be out on a limb as the army of a poodle of big oil, fighting vigorous and effective homeland defenders;

2. young men would be educated, settled and optimistic about their future, and would not prefer to fight British forces elsewhere.

Odd that nobody has notiiced / commented, that while British troops are getting excellent field training in the art of putting down an insurgency at home, some of their predictable opponents at home are also in training, in the same field, for what is to come.
What A lot Of Ranting Rubbish
[info]mike4626 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:01 am (UTC)
Hello, are there any rational people out there?
What A lot Of Ranting Rubbish
[info]bratfordian wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:27 am (UTC)
Dear mike4626, what exactly is your contribution to this palaver?
British Jihadists committing TREASON
[info]alandbailey wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
When captured, they should be tried and, if found guilty, hanged for treason!!!
Re: British Jihadists committing TREASON
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:59 am (UTC)
Boll.x - for goodness sake do a *little* research before rushing to the keyboard. If anybody is potentially guilty of "treason" its the bloodtstained snouts who committed British forces to aggressive wars as corporate welfare operations.
Good. Help clean Britain up by urging insane British jihadi muslims to go die in Afghanistan
[info]exec_ceo wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:32 am (UTC)
If there are thousands of crazy jihadi islamic extremists in england, it helps england if those lunatics leave england to go get killed in afghanistan.

And every single british person knows this is true.
Re: Good. Help clean Britain up by urging insane British jihadi muslims to go die in Afghanistan
[info]dunque123 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 10:42 am (UTC)
I'll pay for the flight - good target practice for our boys -can we get some Human Rights lawyers on the flight as well ?
British
[info]dkayedon wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:37 am (UTC)
This is very much a worry, also how many are we actually talking about.? If the info comes the USA can it be trusted . What about it being 'a trick', or does that only go on in WW2 ? How come the Taliban are able to "win" so easy ? Why are people with just a Brummie accents; this will stir races BNP trouble there.
They certainly keep a lot of people in jobs. Troops from the UK are being killed; this can't be right.
nobody has commented
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 08:40 am (UTC)
that the guy in the pic should be disciplined for wearing gear over his camouflage that renders him a beaut target for a long rage sniper and put the lives of those nearby at risk
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