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Karzai fights back as storm grows over rape laws

Jailed student Sayed Pervez Kambaksh defiant as Afghan government forced to answer critics over women's rights

By Jerome Starkey in Kabul

Sayed Pervez Kambaksh, originally sentenced to death for an article which questioned Islam's treatment of women

Jerome Starkey

Sayed Pervez Kambaksh, originally sentenced to death for an article which questioned Islam's treatment of women

As Afghanistan's president grappled with some serious damage limitation yesterday over an incoming law that legalises rape, a student jailed for trying to improve women's rights issued a defiant message of hope: that one day both sexes might be equal in his country.

Sayed Pervez Kambaksh, who was accused of blasphemy and sentenced to death for questioning Islam's treatment of women, said he dreams of an Afghanistan where women are free to live as "human beings".

"I want an Afghanistan where the mothers of this country and the daughters of this country have the same rights that you and I have as men," he said in an interview inside the Walayat prison where he has languished since June. "They should have the right to education. They should have the right to work in any organisation they want, and they should have the right to live as human beings in this society."

Justice Minister Sarwar Danesh was yesterday dispatched to meet female MPs as part of a snap review ordered by President Hamid Karzai. However, MP Sabrina Saqeb, who attended the meeting, said officials had tried to impose a media blackout and refused to give a timeline for their review, prompting fears it will be buried and forgotten until after the presidential elections in August.

The law eliminates the need for sexual consent between husband and wife, tacitly approves child marriage and restricts a woman's right to leave the family home. Some Nato countries have threatened to withdraw troops and withhold aid unless the law is repealed.

Last night it emerged that the United Nations was quietly seeking emergency funds from donors to provide bodyguards, cars and safe houses to protect MPs who had dared to speak out against the legislation. Wenny Kusuma, the head of the UN Development Fund for Women in Afghanistan, said a number of activists had already received death threats. "There's no other country in the world where working for women's rights puts you at a higher risk of death," she said.

Analysts believe Mr Karzai signed the legislation to win support from Afghanistan's minority Shia leaders, but instead he scored a spectacular own goal as talk of its draconian clauses dominated Nato's 60th anniversary summit in Strasbourg, alienating his already-weary Western backers.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the issue had been raised in no uncertain terms with Mr Karzai. "I made it absolutely clear to the president that we could not tolerate that situation. [Karzai] responded by saying this law would not be enacted in the way it has been presented," he told Sky News.

Afghan women who campaigned against the legislation said they would keep up the pressure. MP Shinkai Karokhail, who described the law as "worse than the Taliban", said: "I get around 12 calls a day threatening me, but I don't even listen. I don't care. I have been branded a bad Muslim. I have been accused of being against Shias. It's not true. I am a woman and an MP."

Sabrina Saqeb, who at 28 is Afghanistan's youngest MP, added: "Politics in Afghanistan is very risky. Especially if you are a woman talking about women's rights, human rights or anything to do with Islam."

Mr Kambaksh knows just how dangerous it can be, after being locked up for downloading an essay on women's rights from the internet. He was originally sentenced to death in a closed court without a lawyer, but his punishment was commuted to 20 years on appeal after the only prosecution witness withdrew his testimony. That sentence was upheld in February by Afghanistan's Supreme Court, which met in secret and refused to hear his defence.

Speaking from inside prison, for the first time since the legal process was exhausted, he made a personal appeal to president Karzai to pardon him.

"I am a son of this land and I should have the right to live here freely," he said. "Everyone knows I have done nothing wrong. I am asking president Karzai to review my case. He is the president. The constitution gives him the right to pardon me. He is the only one who can save me."

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Is Karzai pposely trying to get antagonize the west?
[info]ydef wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 02:40 am (UTC)
It's difficult to believe Karzai oblivious to the obvious uproar that passage of such a law would cause, especially in light of the worldwide condemnation that Kambaksh's continued detention has drawn. Karzai has demonstrated himself a wily political operator, and this move was no doubt a power play to shore up his credentials before the upcoming election to prove that he can act independently of the west and is not a US or NATO pawn.

It's bizarre that in order to burnish one's credentials be re-elected, Karzai feels he must adopt social policies much like the previous ruling Taliban. The Pushtun's must be made to understand that western aid is contingent upon female suffrage and that additional troops will enforce female equality and women's rights need be non negotiable should Afghans hope to continue to enjoy the the existence of their second largest revenue source; foreign aid.
Re: Is Karzai purposely trying to antagonize the West?
[info]chicago_natalie wrote:
Tuesday, 7 April 2009 at 04:56 pm (UTC)
Have you considered that he signed this under duress? Knowing that the West and NATO/UN/human rights groups would protest and threaten loss of aid, development, rebuilding, etc., he would sign this and know that the Shi'a leadership will have to deal with the rest of the world's opinions, too - and it shores him up vote-wise with the reactionary religious cultural crowd that wanted this reprehensible law in the first place. He has a rough deal in his country, as we do in this city - to be progressive and not be destroyed by "the powers that be" means being linked to other distasteful things - one can only keep plowing ahead and hope to break free of the oppressors. He has one of the most difficult jobs in the world, and who do any of you suggest to take his place?
Karzai fights back as storm grows over rape laws
[info]ruhuman wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 03:57 am (UTC)
British soldiers are being wounded or killed to protect the freedom to rape within marriage, a sad reflection on modern times.
Stop blackmailing the Afghans
[info]som_4 wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 04:08 am (UTC)

So it seems there are influential voices inside Afghan government who oppose this law. And Karzai also appear to oppose the law.

So what's all these argy-bargies about ?!

But it's an outright BLACKMAIL, when NATO threatens to withraw its forces from Afghanistan unless this women law is moderated.

NATO should not forget this: Afghanistan has provided a base for you, from where you are fighting your own enemy. Therefore, you must be thankful to Afghans.

But if NATO think of themselves as Afghanistan's saviours, and so without them Afghanistan will fall in the hands of Taliban, is just a bullshit "be grateful to me ploy". Because, Afghanistan is already in the hands of Taliban. You have done nothing during last seven years for which Afghans be grateful to you.

And this self-righteous western reporter who pretend to be so angry about the proposed women law, must note: Afghanistan has been indoctrinated with Islamic faith for more than 1300 years. More over, Afghanistan is deeply a traditional society. So it's totally imposible to bring the country up to european standards within just seven years. I understand that you are trying to do anything and everything in order to make a name for yourself, BUT, try to be impartial, and keep the balance.

It would certainly be great to see men and women are treated equally in Afghanistan. But that will not happen in Mr Kambaksh life.

An afghan in London

Re: Stop blackmailing the Afghans
[info]barbaramurphy wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 12:51 pm (UTC)
A quote from your posting Som_4

" You have done nothing during last seven years for which Afghans is grateful to you. "

Not quite sure who you are referring to - who is the You in the above quote? The world in general or?

Should Canada not spend $50 million to rehabilitate the Dahla Dam and irrigation system then ?
Shall we forgo spending $60 million toward the elimination of Polio?
Is education a sore spot spot for you? Canada is spending $12 million to help build capacity in the Ministry of Education to deliver quality education services and to build, expand, or repair 50 schools in Kandahar .
There are many cultures as old or older than Afghanistan who have evolved and are not threatened by Human Rights - in this context a womens right to her own body (not to mention leaving the house !). Human Rights are a Right to which all humans are entitled : Civil and Political Rights. The Right to liberty, freedom of expression. Equality before the Law. The Right to Food. The Right to Work. The Right to education .
(no subject) - [info] - Monday, 6 April 2009 at 05:46 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Modernising Afghanistan
[info]aerielbender wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 07:12 am (UTC)
It is a relief to read a sensible,mature assessment of the situation - It is sad 'we', modern day colonialists (fighting 'the war on terror') do not pay more attention to the history of the region - what will 21,000 more troops do? does anyone know what kind of behind the scenes, subtle and sophisticated espionage can achieve? all the young soldiers sent to this region will also be fatalities -
Sayed Pervez Kambash needs our support!
Why are we in Afghanistan?
[info]over325one wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 06:16 am (UTC)
We either do the job or we leave. The situation is hopeless we are trying to force modernity on a stone-age country.
Re: Why are we in Afghanistan?
[info]jo_sparkles wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 07:14 am (UTC)
over325one: I agree. It is their culture and they will not change just because the West is 'offended'. Bring our troops home and leave Afghanistan to its own devices.

infuriatus: how will banning headscarves in the UK help Muslim women? The majority of Muslim women wear headscarves through choice, so you want to take away that choice? Will you also suggest that followers of other religions are banned from wearing their crosses, bangles, turbans... By the way, my gran wears a headscarf when it's windy - will you want her banned too?

I feel so angry about the terrible way some women are treated in some middle eastern countries, but unfortunately that has always been the way of things. Sometimes there really isn't anything you can do to help and it's heartbreaking. I wonder if Mr Karzai would like to know his Mother, Sister or Daughter was being raped every night by the man who is supposed to cherish her, and that he legally approved it. It's sickening.
Re: Why are we in Afghanistan?
[info]barbaramurphy wrote:
Tuesday, 7 April 2009 at 01:54 am (UTC)

"....but unfortuanately that has always been the way of things."

" TO MOVE THE WORLD WE MUST FIRST MOVE OURSELVES." ( Socrates)

Start a petition, sign a petition , e-mail His Excellency President Karzai (President@afghanistangov.org)
google for other sources on-line for sites set up on behalf of the young and so so brave journalist , Sayed Pervez Kambaksh, who was just exercising his freedom of speech rights . Become a member of RAWA for example - feminine martyr whose organization desperately needs funds to run schools in refugee camps and Malalai Hospital . One person can make a difference.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 06:59 am (UTC)
Feudal landlords always twist the law to suit their agenda; Afghanistan or Pakistan are no exception.
my support
[info]aerielbender wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 07:03 am (UTC)
Sayed Pervez is a noble man - the women of Afghanistan must be allowed to live their lives in dignity and freedom. I hope his case is under review and he need not languish in jail for upholding this cause. He needs all the support we, out here, can give him. I hope a letter is to be sent to the relevant powers in Afghanistan - any info on this appreciated.
Julia Shaw-Lawrence gmail
Re: my support
[info]barbaramurphy wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 02:17 pm (UTC)
First of all let's note that Afghanistan is a Signatory of Universal Declaration of Human Rights .

Secondly Aghanistan's Constitution claims freedom of expression " shall be inviolable"

With those thought in mind there is a petition to be signed at

info@centerforinquiry.net

I have also sent an e-mail to address below and am assuming it will not be returned :

consulate@embassyofafghanistan.org

Attn: Ambassador Said Jawad
"Karzai fights back.........rape laws"
[info]syedsalamahali wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 07:10 am (UTC)
Just two brief comments, not to be confused with my taking sides.

1. Rape as understood by Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, even by Atheists and Communists is 'forced' sex between a 'male' rapist and a 'female', not his wife!

2. The so-called 'rape' is only one of several 'articles' in the 'Laws' being objected to. So, why is the total 'law' being marketed under the 'rape' title/misnomer.

Re: "Karzai fights back.........rape laws"
[info]adampooler wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 11:30 am (UTC)
I must say, I find your comment utterly baffling. You describe rape as forced sex: none of us would disagree with that, regardless of religion or political allegiances. It's a tautological truth, not really open to misunderstanding.

Or so I thought.

You then go on to claim that it doesn't apply between a man and his wife. Would you care to enlighten us as to why you think this is the case? Because you find yourself entirely at odds with the law of every western country. Forced sex is a crime quite rightly punishable by a lengthy jail sentence regardless of whether the perpetrator happens to be married to the victim.

As for your second point, the notion of a rape law being 'marketed' is patently absurd. Most of the civilised world has been up in arms about one part of this proposed law because it's so self-evidently barbaric. Frankly, who cares what the rest of it contains- so long as it legitimises rape, then it seems like an appropriate name for it.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 07:13 am (UTC)
Who cares about women's rights; the war in Afghanistan is merley a war to protect "market share" by the drug barons of this world; since the start of the war in Afghanistan the streets of Europe are paved with drugs.

Need anything more be said ?
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 07:16 am (UTC)
Incidently; male rape is far more common in Afghanistan than female rape.

In fact rape of boys is the most common occurance of rape in Afghanistan.

Alexander the Great left his habits in Afghanistan many thousands of years ago.
Sayed Pervez Kambaksh
[info]mtvmalta wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 08:16 am (UTC)
Is there no one amongst our Western heroes who is doing something to get Sayed Pervez Kambaksh out of jail? What are we in Afghanistan for if not to support the upright and the good
He/she is just another Pakistani......
[info]som_4 wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 09:32 am (UTC)
@ nooraza,

What are you barking about ?!

You are a Pakistani and am sure you are ashamed of your origin.

I am an Afghan man and very proud of my country, history, race, religion and tradition.
We afghans have 50,000 years of history and 6000 years of recorded civilization.

What have you got ?!

Chicken Tikka Massala ?




Re: He/she is just another Pakistani......
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 11:45 am (UTC)
Pity you never tried to improve your country, rather than just keep the same barbaric customs and practices.
Re: He/she is just another Pakistani......
[info]jari_zeglaz wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 04:44 pm (UTC)
RE:sam_4
"I am an Afghan man and very proud of my country, history, race, religion and tradition.
We afghans have 50,000 years of history and 6000 years of recorded civilization".

The Afghan man you may be, but mature you are not. Even though you may have a valid point that social change in Afghanistan will take time to occur, you have not answered to any VALID questions posted by "barbaramurphy".
It is too bad that with all that history, you are only good at throwing insults (though not very original).

I am afraid that during 50,000 years of history of human habitation in that region different human groups migrated, moved in and out of that area, so claiming ethnic continuity with the original inhabitants is laughable. Furthermore having 6000 years of recorded civilization is not the same as being civilized, which you just have proved.

Best Regards
Jari

Re Afganistan
[info]manplant wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 09:32 am (UTC)
Just a not to some of the more ignorant writers such as oomigoolies.

Rape within marriage was only recognised as a crime in the UK about 10 to 15 years ago. Was the UK living in the stone age prior to that event?

Islamic law concerning marriage is much closer to modern Western secular law. Divorce, pre nuptual contracts and a right to sexual pleasure and maintenence after divorce are all rights that both parties in a marriage have. In fact, Western marriage laws are getting closer to Islamic laws where marriage is concerned.

In those countries that are occupied by the West such as Saudi Arabia and Afganistan, Islamic laws concerning womens rights are interpreted against women. In those countries, unpopular dictators use women's rights (or lack of) as a means of keeping power by placating extremists. In fact, the Taliban, a Saudi invention, were funded directly and indirectly by the West before they were in power and during the time they ruled Afganistan. The Taliban and other extremist groups are still being funded by the West through Pakistani intelligence. Their interpretation of Islam is alien to the area and is basically extreme Saudi ideology (rulers intalled by uK and kept in power by the West).

Just as in the West, women's rights in some Islamic countries as well as the West are being compromised for power and financial gain. So next time oomigoolies, when you are being sick in the street after 'a good night out' and date raped by a stranger, think about exactly where the 'filth' is coming from. It's not down to any religion, it's from people who want to exploit your gender for gain.
Why are we sending British soldiers there to die?
[info]whostoletyke wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 10:52 am (UTC)
When I read this about Afghanistan I can only exclaim, oh, then barbarism is not dead after all! And yet hardly a week goes by when Gordon Brown at the start of PMQs doesn't read out the name of a British soldier who has been killed out there. I say, bring the troops back and let the Afghanis sort out their own mess. What on earth are we DOING by being there, except dying pointlessly?
Make him decide
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 11:48 am (UTC)
We should give Karzai the choice, clean up your country or we will withdraw our troops. That'll force him to consider who will protect him, the Coalition or the Afghan people.
uanime5
[info]som_4 wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 12:25 pm (UTC)
uanime5,

Neither you have the intelligence nor the necessary rationale to talk about Afghanistan.

We do not flog women in public as your barbaric people do in Pakistan.

So why don't you just shut up ?!
Re: uanime5
[info]gondorplace wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 12:57 pm (UTC)
No wonder that your country is in such a sad state if this is the way that you communicate.
Re: uanime5
[info]jari_zeglaz wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 04:59 pm (UTC)
This guy (sam_4) is just a megalomaniac throwing insults.
Re: uanime5
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 06:49 pm (UTC)
Why do you think everyone comes from Pakistan?

Also they do flog women in Afghanistan, so the Afghans are just as barbaric as the Pakistans if not more so.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 12:40 pm (UTC)
Karzai was just a second hand car salesman in Sharjah; selling counterfeit parts and then moved on to be a small time restaurant owner in New York before he took on the mantle of leadership.

His only contribution to world politics is his skull cap and striped coat.

Karzai does not have the intellect to lead a nation out of the clutches of the tribal warlords.

Sadly all who enter Afghanistan perish; Alexander the Great; the British; the Russians and now the current occupiers are destined for the same; Afghanistan will only continue to be a drug barons paradise ever since the British converted it into a massive poppy field to suppy the Chinese Drug Barons who inturn intoxicated their own population into drug dependency.
Afganistan
[info]laertesgreece wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 01:19 pm (UTC)
Here in Athens I find it incredible but the numerous Afghanis,whilst full of mutual hate between Shias and Pashtun also hate the west,and even the Shia who reverently read local Pakistani newspapers are fuelled by fundamentalist
views,praising all terrorist acts against the outside world. Even the Hazar minority whom we are told suffered the most from the Taliban now claim Bi Laden as a type of hero and blame Russia and the west for all the ills that have befell Afganistan.
I do not know what the answer to the problems is but of all the refugees that we have here they are the most discontented.
MMC
[info]snavej wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 01:59 pm (UTC)
Until these Afghans and others get with the times, they will continue to suffer.
Let them fester in their own mess!
[info]kerrygold wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 03:47 pm (UTC)
They will always blame the West anyway whilst they continue with their barbaric customs.
[info]islgrl wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 03:57 pm (UTC)
Karzai needs to get or grow some! This obvious nothing figure head needs to live up to some of the opportunity for good that somehow life keeps offering him a chance to be part of!! Not power & wealth, but to confront issues for the people of this country he & we have interjected into the lead political position and DO SOMETHING real. We went into this country screaming freedom for ALL, and now it boils down to ...well freedom for men, as women are denied everything but being "owned" as cattle, with their lives literally in the hands of the men of their family. It is beyond troubling that all we have claimed we have done, and all the money spent, a few men risk their lives to help women as Karzai hides from the Religious zealots that have claimed the power our freedom brought, which of course we all know is not freedom. We need to leave, & bestow our dollars only for women's issues....health, protection ...with a mote! Education...with a mote!!! Not a dollar for the war machine, but protection of the hospitals, schools that take care of the most vulnerable half of the population.
ITS NOT BLACKMAIL
[info]chris9391 wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 03:57 pm (UTC)
SOM_4.

Its called trade, or aid etc..... Its not blackmail, if they want the law thats fine they can have it but they get no Nato troops. If they dont want it they can have the troops. How is that blackmail? Its not its showing Ethics, responsibility etc.... Nato might have done nothing that afgans have been grateful for for 7 years, but its been a hell of a lot longer than that since Afgan did anything anybody was grateful for! If you want our help there are compromises it was which allways thus. Its up to your govt/nation to decide if it wants the law....or the aid...

Sounds fair to me!
Women's rights and Afghanistan
[info]changechange2 wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 04:00 pm (UTC)
Let us be honest. NATO (really, the Americans) are there militarily to secure the gas pipeline route from Turkmenistan through Pakistan and eventually to India. Canadians got sucked into this war to appease the Americans when they refused to go to Iraq. The French and Germans are more honest in refusing to go on a mission based on a LIE. We should all stop trying to prove that we are NOT there to secure this gas pipeline. There are a lot of other countries in the world who need help with HUMAN RIGHTS and FOOD and SHELTER, etc. This is another American unjust war. All other countries should get out. I am a Canadian and I hold PM Stephen Harper and his Govt. responsible for all the deaths made deliberate by continuing to be in combat in Afghanistan when he has acknowledged publicly that there is no way NATO could win.
Re: Women's rights and Afghanistan
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 06:53 pm (UTC)
Got any evidence to support the pipeline theory?
Re: Women's rights and Afghanistan
[info]commentator123 wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 08:16 pm (UTC)
That information is in the public domain
Stone the victim
[info]lasvegasrich wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 04:23 pm (UTC)
This law allowing a husband to rape his wife, is just a continuation of the weird attitude toward sexual relations exhibited by some Muslims. In the past women who reported being raped, were accused of adultery, and some of them were stoned to death, Why don't sensible Muslims push for equality in the bedroom, instead of this nonsese. Oh I forgot, if they complain, they might be stoned or beheaded.
Human rights are self-evident rights
[info]commentator123 wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 08:04 pm (UTC)
One can argue the rights and wrongs of religon, culture etc forever . But there is ONE fact which is true- the right to human dignity. If you take that away and believe your religon or your culture gives you the right to do so in this day & age- you are on your own. There is a basic right to human dignity for every man & woman- wherever they live- & it is the greatest cowardice& ignorance to quash it through violence and terror. The west may not be the greatest civilisation in the world and no one has the right to impose another culture on another- but then no one - as a human being- has the right to take away basic human rights & dignity- under any excuse- religon or culture either. And the World is so interrelated now, that it cannot remain silent when this happen. There are some brave people in Afghanistan - who speak for human dignity which is remarkable under such great repression
Womens Rights In Islam
[info]manplant wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 09:22 pm (UTC)
Strange how the Muslim countries with the worst records on women's rights are controlled by the West.
Saudi Arabia, Afganistan, Pakistan are all controlled by the USA.

When thugs and bandits are put in power to assist in the rape of a nation's wealth, they're not going to be too bothered about raping their women.

A man does not have the right to rape his wife under Islam although rape is not recognised in marriage as consent, or lack of, is difficult to prove. However, buggary is forbidden in an islamic marriage and the result is an instant divorce.

If true Islamic law is applied accross the board in Islamic countries, then the present Western sponsered rulers cannot have legitemacy, and therefore those countries will cease to exist as client states, subservient to Western governments.

Taking the above into account, it seems to be a simple choice. Low oil prices and drugs and therefore legalising rape, or freedom and no legal rape. If put to a vote, what would most people in the UK and the US choose?
The origins of Islam
[info]arthur_ide wrote:
Monday, 6 April 2009 at 10:20 pm (UTC)
began with the degradation of women. When the mythological Muhammad had sex with seven year old Ashia, it was but the beginning, for the clergy that created the religion by plagarizing many old tales from the days of Alexander (such as the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus) and parts of the Old Testament (such as Noah and Abraham, both Hindu gods: Brahama, etc) into a new curse for mortal kind that would deny and then destroy the rights of choice for all people. Not until the evil that is Islam is vanquished will any mortal be free, for Islam is as great a curse as Judaism and Christianity--two twin religions founded on fantasy and fable.
Re: The origins of Islam
[info]dr_k1 wrote:
Tuesday, 7 April 2009 at 08:53 am (UTC)
It is really amusing how one can state the origins of Islam bagan with degrading women and their rights, quite the contrary in fact. Before jumping to conclusions analyse what the social norm was in those days, you can not simply state 'Muhammad had sex with seven year old Ashia' and form a conclusion, the fundemantals of the religion protect the rights of women.
Re: The origins of Islam
[info]arthur_ide wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 11:42 pm (UTC)
Have you ever read the Koran? I will quote it for you (if you need it in Arabic, I can do that, too), from the "infallible" word of the Qur'an, to be memorized by generations of Muslims for whom they have no possible relevance.

Sura (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed." No doubt millions of young Muslims, trying to outdo one another at memorizing the Qur'an, have wondered about what this verse means and why it is there. In fact, this is a "revelation" of convenience that Allah just happened to hand down at a time when Muhammad lusted after his daughter-in-law, Zaynab, - a state of affairs that disturbed local customs. The verse "commands" Muhammad to marry the woman (following her husband's gracious divorce). As for why this should be part of the eternal word of God...?

Sura (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; " This is another special command that Muhammad handed down to himself that allows virtually unlimited sex, divinely sanctioned by Allah. One assumes that this "revelation" was meant to assuage some sort of disgruntlement in the community over Muhammad's hedonism.

Sura (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased" Muhammad may sleep with whichever wife he wishes without having to hear the others complain... as revealed in Allah's literal and perfect words to more than a billion Muslims.

Sura (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why ban thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives?..." Another remarkable verse of sexual convenience concerns an episode in which Muhammad's wives were jealous of the attention that he was giving to a Christian slave girl. But, as he pointed out to them, to neglect the sexual availability of his slaves was against Allah's will for his life!

Sura (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle.

The Muhammad of myth and Islam had sex with girls as young as 5. He just married Aisha at age 8 (some give the age at 9). It is and was child abuse and rape. So much for the Holy Man and Prophet of Allah.


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