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Law will let Afghan husbands starve wives who withhold sex

By Jerome Starkey in Bamiyan

An Afghan law which legalised rape has been sent back to parliament with a clause letting husbands starve their wives if they refuse to have sex.

President Hamid Karzai ordered a review of the legislation after The Independent revealed that it negated the need for consent within marriage.

President Barack Obama described it as "abhorrent", Gordon Brown said Britain would "not tolerate" it, and other Nato countries threatened to withdraw their troops unless the legislation was drastically re-written.

The amendments were passed to the cabinet this week and signed by Mr Karzai on Wednesday, Human Rights Watch said last night.

The women's rights activist Wazhma Frough, who was involved in the review, said that conservative religious leaders had pressured the Justice Ministry to keep many of the most controversial clauses.

"There have been a few little changes, but they are not enough," she said. "For example, if the wife doesn't accept her husband's sexual requirements then he can deny her food."

According to civil society groups, the law, which regulates the personal affairs of Afghanistan's minority Shia community, still includes clauses which allow rapists to marry their victims as a way of absolving their crime and it tacitly approves child marriage. The law sparked riots in Kabul. Hundreds of Shia women took to the streets in protest. They were attacked by mobs of angry men who launched counter demonstrations outside the capital's largest Shia madrassa.

It is due to be ratified by parliament, which first passed the legislation in March with hardly any debate.

"Violence against women is already endemic," said Razia Jan, who is building a women's community centre in Afghanistan's Shia heartland, Bamiyan. "Men pay thousands of dollars for young girls and they are treated like slaves. Women here are already so vulnerable."

Critics claim that Mr Karzai signed the law to appease Shia leaders, ahead of the presidential polls on 20 August.

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Law will let Afghan husbands starve wives who withhold sex
[info]ozziepaul wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 12:11 am (UTC)
The only time Afgani women have had anything approaching decent civil rights in Afganistan was under the former Communist government that the United States spent millons of dollars subverting through its support for the mudjahadeen and indirectly, for the formation of the Taliban. British troops are now involved in protecting one group of total fascists from another group of total fascists. Given the passing of this vicious law, Britain should immediately withdraw its troops from Afganistan and encourage its other NATO allies to also do so. Furthermore being an Afgani woman should made, prima facie, reason enough to be granted permanent asylum in Britain and the UK government should actively promote and fund the escape of Afgani women from Afganistan.
Re: Law will let Afghan husbands starve wives who withhold sex
[info]north856side wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 01:17 am (UTC)
If NATO withdraw its troops then who is left to stop this and other inhuman laws from being passed? And giving automatic asylum to every Afghani women would not help them because before you know it, they'll bring their men folks over and be treated like dogs a again.

We could be in Afghanistan for a hundred years and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. These people are determined to live by shiria laws so ideas of equality is anathema to them.

I'm all for pulling NATO troops out but we must also seal the borders of this country along with Pakistan so that they are then not free to export their barbarous fundamentalism elsewhere. If this is not possible then the least we can do is severely restrict them from coming into this country.
islam is an insult to human dignity
[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 05:25 am (UTC)
another proof for those who argue for sharia law in britain. islam is a violent and barbaric religion. islam is an insult to human dignity . and for those who may argue otherwise,its simple,where do they think these laws come from ??? they all come directly from quran and they are supposed to be words of allad according to muslims and can not be argued against or one would be charged as mohareb (fighting against will of god) and sentenced to death.
bottom line islam has no place in this world specifically in western world. i am amazed at some people specially western women who convert to islam,i am sure they have not read the quran fully,i am sure of that.
Re: islam is an insult to human dignity
[info]had_it wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 07:23 am (UTC)
Islam does not require popping all women in a bag (burqas) or any other abuse of women, any more than Christianity requires the enforced slavery that no-contraception-no-abortion advocates would put on women. These are local political choices which perverts try to justify by the mis-use of religious texts.

It is not Islam or Christianity that has no place in the modern world, it is the perverts who abuse these religions that should be eliminated. What we need is a fatwa against anyone who proposes, votes for or tries to enforce these kind of laws. If the fatwa fails, there should be a call to jihad against them.
Re: islam is an insult to human dignity
[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 07:47 am (UTC)
my friend i agree with you as far a religions are concerned but when it comes to islam please do not preach me. i have been there , read it all,seen it all. if you go and read quran then you´ll see what i mean. its all there . tells a man how to treat his wife or i should say wives. its all there in black and white and can not be negotiated since the words are "coming from allah directly" , so no ifs and no buts. and if you see women treated in this manner in islamic countries it is due to the very same "god given rights to the men".
it is islam that should be eradicated.when i say islam is an insult to human dignity , i have a reason.
Hey had_it; don't try to justify barbarism in Islam with Christianity!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 08:38 am (UTC)
Christianity allows reformation; thus why we have diversity such as Protestantism. Although the Catholic Church still needs reformation, do you see it still practising ancient barbarism as in Islam, where such Dark Age practise is legitimized by so-called Sharia laws, such as this kind of disgusting treatment of women/girls, amongst many more unbelievable evils, that include stoning, amputating hands, killing gays and converts, suicide bombings whilst dreaming of having sex with so many virgins in 'heaven', etc; I mean, come on, what is this?
Re: Hey had_it; don't try to justify barbarism in Islam with Christianity!
[info]lkdamo wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 10:45 am (UTC)
I see we have diverse Protestants, like the ones in Northern Ireland that tried to cleanse thier enclave of Catholics.The last attempt being two weeks ago, not the dark ages.
All you folks are missing the point anyway, the west went to Afghanistan to bring democracy, so if the majority want this then the west must let them have it.
If such a law was passed in Saudi Arabia the west would not care, so it's not a matter of principle, it's a matter of what can we get away with, just like it is with everything in politics.
Now I'm not one of those stupid people that believes the west is in Afghanistan to bring democracy, but it is their stated claim, so I'm happy to use that stick to beat them with.
We can't say that Afghanistan is a sovereign nation and then tell them what laws they can and can't pass, it makes no sense. Plus if we were that bothered about peoples rights then we wouldn't do business with the Saudi's. It's our lack of consistency that makes everything we do so difficult. In Afghanistan and Iraq western soliders are told to destroy the Islamic fundamentalists, but in Saudi and Kuwait they told to protect these nutters, am I the only person that finds this odd.
If the war in Afghanistan is so important why is the west deploying a smaller force than U.S.S.R LOST with, that makes no sense to me at all and they wonder why it's been 7 years. God forbid the west ever get's into a real war, they would be F***ED big time.
Oh ye and what ever happened to that guy they were looking for, what's his name obama or something.
He could teach Alistair Campbell a thing or two about press releases and spin.
I can't find two people that can give the same reason why the British are in Afghanistan because nobody knows why the British are in Afghanistan. The best I can make of it is, the British will stay in Afghanistan until Afghanistan agees to do things their way and that could take an awful long time.
Oh well best of luck , you'll need it.
Re: Hey had_it; don't try to justify barbarism in Islam with Christianity!
[info]had_it wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 11:59 am (UTC)
I don't think that the barbarism in Christianity justifies barbarism in Islam. Nor do I think that one religion is better than another in this regard. My point was that the barbarism comes from perverts (whether Christian or Islamic) who use religious texts to gain power and to justify their own perverted view of the world.
Re: islam is an insult to human dignity
[info]00simian wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 09:26 am (UTC)
You are letting the iron age ideologies off the hook there a bit. Their texts contradict themselves on many subjects so can inevitably be interpreted in many ways. However, they most definitely do include and promote horrendous acts of subjegation and violence, usually in the service of the patriarchy. Christianity would not have tamed itself, the humanism of the enlightenment tamed it. Without this we in Europe would still be under the yoke of theocracy.
A fatwa from the religious elite might make things better but it doesn't liberate the people and teach them to reason for themselves does it...
Re: islam is an insult to human dignity
[info]had_it wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 11:54 am (UTC)
Well, yes...but If I said what I really thought of relgion, especially as passed down by old farts who have forgotten what freedom is - or who think it is only for themselves and too good for their congregations - it probably wouldn't get past the moderator.
Re: islam is an insult to human dignity
[info]webcore wrote:
Saturday, 11 July 2009 at 04:08 am (UTC)
there have been over 13,500 deadly attacks worldwide, in the name of islam, since 2001

why is it that islam appears to inspire more violence, oppression, inequality and intolerance than all other religions put together?

coincidence?

please do not try to tell me that it is just a few extremists - especially when i see no protests by muslims over murderous atrocities, yet they will take to the streets and even riot worldwide to protest a cartoon.
Double Standards.
[info]superkeith wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 09:13 am (UTC)
Is Afghanistan really so backward and are its men so lacking in honour and courage that they shame themselves and bring Islam into disrepute with such a law? Are these men or children because they seem to behave like stamp foot spoiled brats whenever anything threatens their need to sate their lusts. Have they become mature men or not because only a child would have have such a lack of self control?
Will the men of Afghanistan ever grow up to be mature males and take their rightful place in the world or are they for ever going to stay locked in this archaic world of permanent childhood?
Tragedy
[info]edjzet wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 09:18 am (UTC)
Tragedy and acandal. A tragedy for the women subjected to such barbarity.

A scandal, because I am supposed to show "respect" for people in this country who hold similar ideas.

Well, I won't, I only hold them and the religion from which they derive their behaviour beneath contempt.
Re: Tragedy
[info]rayamiles wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 10:42 am (UTC)
I agree one hundred percent.

Islam is nasty violent backward religion; we do not respect you we merely fear what you will do next in the name of your god.

Like many others I do not see why so many of our children should be sent to die in this god forsaken country, if the people really want to live in a Muslim medieval wonderland who are we to stop them?
Re: Tragedy
[info]alanski wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 12:57 pm (UTC)
I'm old enough to remember the grip the church had on the people of Britain. It made sure that everyone toed their line. It took the war, womens rights and a wake up call from the young, tired of being told what to do, to break it. Now the church is there for those who really need it and the rest of us get on with our lives. In other countries the church still holds, the US and Catholic countries spring to mind. Of course they respect women and I'm not saying that they are barbarians, but the mindset orf control is still there and will be there for many years to come. So.. if this is the case then what hope is there to change the minds and ways of those so deeply controlled by the Mullahs. It will take centuries to break this hold, the closest it ever got in Afghanistan was when the Russians were there. I hope the US feels satisfied at the way they broke that hold. Now this is gonna cost em dear. But for the people there's no hope of change. Iraqis lives were put back decades by the war. By the likes of Blair and Bush who like to chat with their god. Meanwhile the other lot are chatting with theirs too sometimes several times a day. If only the church would just learn to keep out of ordinary folks lives and government and just leave it for them to decide what religeous comfort they need.
Re: Tragedy
[info]_fingercuffs_ wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 12:43 pm (UTC)
I don't beleive at all that it is Islam which is to blame, - it is patriarchcal societies and chauvanistic male leaders who are the problem.

If you don't beleive me - maybe you shoul try actually speaking to and interacting with muslims in the UK. i get the impression that you and amny other people posting on this article do not.

Also consider the muslim women of China, the Uigyur women.Their exiled leader, Robena Kadeer is a woman. Earlier tis week the women of Urumqi took to the streets and rioted, demanding the return of their male relatives from Chinese officals. This really does not strike me as the kind of society were women are sidelined.
Re: Tragedy
[info]rayamiles wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 01:40 pm (UTC)
Quite an assumption to make that i know nothing of Muslim culture, i have spent the last two years living in Algeria, which i think you may agree is a Muslim country. Before i came here i was not so sure about the religion, however being here has shown me exactly what this religion will do if left unchecked.

The problem with Islam is that it is 100% chauvinistic and patriarchal, adding this to a society of the same bent does indeed make things worse, but it is the nature of the beast that is the real problem.

The authorities in Algeria have fought a long battle against Islamic extremist, but to little avail, militarily they may or may not be prevailing, (depending on who you listen too), but i have often witnessed young women dressed for the summer, (it is often 35C+ here), being shouted out by men in the street. You go to the centre of Algiers at the weekend, after sun down you will be lucky to see a single women, Christians are routinely persecuted, (its illegal for a Christian to pray outside of a designated building), Ramadan is strictly enforced, all the night clubs bar two have been closed in the city, (this happened late last year), homosexuality carries a lengthy prison sentence etc, etc ..

And remember Algiers paints itself a s a "moderate" Muslim state.

So fingercuff, i believe that you are entirely mistaken, just because a few Muslims in England behave like it is the 21st century does not mean that the rest of them do.
free women in the west
[info]tareksaid wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 01:12 pm (UTC)
Women who are not treated well have all rights to be divorsed in islam either by simply asking for it or by going to court and get a separation by the force of law. Other than this, no one starves in islamic community. however, I was really shocked when I saw how the west treats women in today's first page cartoon. please check
Re: free women in the west
[info]rayamiles wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 02:03 pm (UTC)
Umm, i guess if you think some poorly drawn cartoon is indicative of the way women are treated in the civilised world then you really do have issues. I for one am much more offended by so called honour killings, the wide spread abuse of womens rights, the waste of female talent, all of which is the hallmark of many muslim countries.

As for, no one starves in islamic community then i do wonder why on Fridays when i visit the main shopping area in Algiers i am besieged by desperate looking women, often with very young children in tow.
Re: free women in the west
[info]tareksaid wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 02:25 pm (UTC)
The waste of femal talent happened in germany last week when a russian-german stabbed to death the egyptian moslem lady because she was covering herslef. I wish you all read the true bible and understand it then read the quran and you will truely understand islam.
Re: free women in the west
[info]rayamiles wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 02:54 pm (UTC)
So one lunatic in German is all you have to back up your argument, you are getting really desperate.

I was brought up by Baptist parents, and would happily pitch my knowledge of the bible against yours any day. And yes i have read bits of the Koran, as much as i could stomach, rarely have a read a book so filled with hatred, bile and the urgings to do violence to whoever disagrees with the so called prophet. it is truly one of the nastiest books currently in print.

Yes of course it is an utterly outrageous that this young lady was killed in Germany, perhaps you would care to comment on yesterdays lead news item, just remind me how many young children did the good Muslims of Afghanistan murder? In fact as you well know the news is stuffed practically every single night day in day out with the atrocities committed by your faithful.

You know you can say what you like about Islam being a faith of peace the rest of us will judge you by your actions.
Re: free women in the west
[info]tareksaid wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 03:24 pm (UTC)
it's my pleasure as a moslem to go to any church and sit beside your Baptist parents and pray to god to forgive the atrocities comitted by your faithful soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Gaza. blowing up women and children with the extreme forces and arms that god gave you the knowledge to build. please tell me which chapter in the bible does your faithful soldiers and leaders follow?
Re: free women in the west
[info]webcore wrote:
Saturday, 11 July 2009 at 04:18 am (UTC)
tareksaid, if that is what you believe, then I must say that it is my pleasure to watch apache gun camera videos on liveleak until our governments come to their senses by allowing ridiculous theocracies to cave in upon themselves and they finally live up to their promise of separating church and state.
[info]dnmurphy wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 02:16 pm (UTC)
SO now our soldiers are dying to allow a corrupt barbaric society and religion to have laws allowing rape and to starve women who refuse sex. If we try and stop this barbaric activity then we are imposing our cultural norms and provoking further terrorism against us, and if we walk away we have no souls.

And the cretin Brown wont 'tolerate' it. And pray tell Mr Brown what you will do to stop it? Pull our soldiers out, depose their elected president? reduce our largely worthless aid?

It gets better every day.

Democracy
[info]walterwall wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 03:59 pm (UTC)
And British soldiers are dying for this!
flawed policy
[info]loyalop wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 11:24 pm (UTC)
This is just another example highlighting the problems with nation building. A poor policy on its own is made worse when its passive nation building; giving far too much latitude to people who are only going to commit old atrocities, but now under the protection of the US and NATO troops. placing us between a rock and a hard place since things will only get worse if we withdraw, and if we stay these policies become blood on our hands. I don't agree with nation building period as it makes little sense to take over a country then spend untold amounts of wealth rebuilding a country you just destroyed only to give it back, thus never receiving any return on your investment. But, if we are going to persist with this insanity we should at least take direct control over the country's evolution while its being restored. That way any problems that arise will at least be our doing. And in this case we could guarantee better rights and protections for women, which could atleast make it more difficult to for them to revert to an archaic age when we leave. Should that ever happen.
Afghani Laws
[info]webcore wrote:
Saturday, 11 July 2009 at 03:23 am (UTC)
Stop wasting the lives of brave servicemen and women on people who neither want democracy or appreciate it when it is offered to them. Islamic law is incompatible with the democratic process, as many muslims are so keen to point out.
The only result of trying to help islamic regimes is the constant accusation of "invasion".
Withdraw, disallow trade with regimes that promote such inequality and save lives and taxpayers money by allowing these countries to decide for themselves.
Bravo
[info]roadsgt97 wrote:
Saturday, 11 July 2009 at 06:19 pm (UTC)
would be a lot of skinny women in the u.s. for a change if we did that here LOL LOL
[info]budrick55 wrote:
Sunday, 12 July 2009 at 04:50 pm (UTC)
charia coming to eurabia...

will the y cut the head of the queen of england, the president of france etc..
rape all the women ?
kill all the jews, gays etc... ?

yes


because it s the law of charia that all eurabian countries are going to accept !
charia coming to eurabia...
[info]budrick55 wrote:
Sunday, 12 July 2009 at 04:51 pm (UTC)
will the y cut the head of the queen of england, the president of france etc..
rape all the women ?
kill all the jews, gays etc... ?

yes


because it s the law of charia that all eurabian countries are going to accept !
Law will let Afghan husbands starve wives who withhold sex
[info]johnh2009 wrote:
Saturday, 15 August 2009 at 03:04 pm (UTC)
This treatment of women is beyond disgusting! How is it even possible to pass laws like this in 21 century? Islam is such a violent and barbaric religion.
Very sad!

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