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North Korea would use nuclear weapons in a 'merciless offensive'

Associated Press

North Korea today said it would use nuclear weapons in a "merciless offensive" if provoked — its latest bellicose rhetoric apparently aimed at deterring any international punishment for its recent atomic test blast.

The tensions emanating from Pyongyang are beginning to hit nascent business ties with the South: a Seoul-based fur manufacturer became the first South Korean company to announce Monday it was pulling out of an industrial complex in the North's border town of Kaesong.

The complex, which opened in 2004, is a key symbol of rapprochement between the two Koreas but the goodwill is evaporating quickly in the wake of North Korea's nuclear test on May 25 and subsequent missile tests.

Pyongyang raised tensions a notch by reviving its rhetoric in a commentary in the state-run Minju Joson newspaper today.

"Our nuclear deterrent will be a strong defensive means...as well as a merciless offensive means to deal a just retaliatory strike to those who touch the country's dignity and sovereignty even a bit," said the commentary, carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

It appeared to be the first time that North Korea referred to its nuclear arsenal as "offensive" in nature. Pyongyang has long claimed that its nuclear weapons program is a deterrent and only for self-defense against what it calls US attempts to invade it.

The tough talk came as South Korea and the US lead an effort at the UN Security Council to have the North punished for its nuclear test with tough sanctions.

Seoul's Yonhap news agency reported today that South Korea had doubled the number of naval ships around the disputed sea border with the North amid concern the communist neighbor could provoke an armed clash there — the scene of skirmishes in 1999 and 2002.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff declined to confirm the report, but said the North has not shown any unusual military moves.

Relations between the two Koreas have significantly worsened since a pro-US, conservative government took office in Seoul last year, advocating a tougher policy on the North. Since then, reconciliation talks have been cut off and all key joint projects except the factory park in Kaesong have been suspended.

Some 40,000 North Koreans are employed at the zone, making everything from electronics and watches to shoes and utensils, providing a major source of revenue for the cash-strapped North. The park combines South Korean technology and management expertise with cheap North Korean labor.

A total of 106 South Korean companies operate in the park. That number will go down by the end of the month when Skinnet, the fur-maker, completes its pullout.

A Skinnet company official said the decision was primarily over "security concerns" for its employees, and also because of a decline in orders from clients concerned over possible disruptions to operations amid the soaring tensions.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak with reporters.

The industrial park's fate has been in doubt since last month when North Korea threatened to scrap all contracts on running the joint complex and said it would write new rules of its own and the South must accept them or pull out of the zone.

The companies have also been concerned by the detention of a South Korean man working at the complex by North Korean authorities since late March for allegedly denouncing the regime's political system.

The two sides are to hold talks on the fate of the park Thursday.

Intensifying its confrontation with the US, North Korea handed down 12-year prison terms to two detained American journalists on Monday.

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Possible retaliation for a North Korean nuclear strike
[info]rolleicanonikon wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 12:36 pm (UTC)
If North Korea carries out its threat to use a nuclear weapon if its dignity is affronted, the United Nations will no doubt threaten to impose economic sanctions, the usual suspects will veto this and the major powers will offer to build a nuclear power station and send more food and fuel aid if Kim or his successor promises not to do it again.
Re: Possible retaliation for a North Korean nuclear strike
[info]joeyusa wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 02:42 pm (UTC)
sounds like you are talking about the USA
Re: Possible retaliation for a North Korean nuclear strike - [info]rimal05 - Wednesday, 10 June 2009 at 02:17 pm (UTC) Expand
North Koreans...where are you?
[info]smitty12345 wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 12:49 pm (UTC)
I'd like to know what the North Korean people believe and feel about this situation. It's almost as if no one lives in this country but military folks. Where are the people? Why aren't there any revolutions or revolts or protests? These people need to ball up and take their government back...if there are any people left in that country.
Re: North Koreans...where are you?
[info]lithion wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:09 pm (UTC)
As if the Chinese don't control every string on the North Korean Puppet. This is a rope a dope technique to tire and test the USA.
Re: North Koreans...where are you? - [info]john02110 - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:09 pm (UTC) Expand
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Bush's fault
[info]woodinio wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 12:57 pm (UTC)
I'd just like to point out before great swathes of people start calling for pre-emptive strikes that the situation is not as black and white as it is being presented to us by the media.

With a bit of reading around the subject you'll find that it was largely the Bush administration's fault in 2002 for recklessly lumping NK in with its 'axis of evil' and wrongly-accusing it of being in possession of enriched uranium.

The insult prompted Pyongyang to restart its plutonium-based nuclear programme which had been buried in concrete since 1994, culminating in a nuclear test in 2006. This forced the U.S. back to the negotiating table in 2007, and humanitarian aid was promised to North Korea if it abandoned its nuclear ambitions.

North Korea duly complied but aid was slow to arrive, so it declared it was pulling out of the agreement and restarting its nuclear programme, culminating this time in the test in May.

Couple this with the conservative government in Seoul which spends $20bn a year on its military compared to the $500m that Pyongyang spends, and you can begin to understand why it thinks pursuing the nuclear option is a good idea.

I'm not condoning North Korea's actions, I'm just saying it's worth finding out why things are happening the way they are.

Of course, it's a better read if only the scary half of the story is presented!
Re: Bush's fault
[info]john02110 wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:15 pm (UTC)
Ugh, shall we also blame bush for the "police action" in the 1950's? Like it or not, North Korea is part of the "Axis of Evil." A nuclear North Korea is the seed that will grow into WWIII.
Re: Bush's fault - [info]woodinio - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:42 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Bush's fault - [info]armount - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 02:29 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Bush's fault - [info]colincs - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 03:02 pm (UTC) Expand
Woodino - another Chamberlain Supporter! - [info]mideastvet - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 03:38 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Woodino - another Chamberlain Supporter! - [info]nome_sane - Wednesday, 10 June 2009 at 03:00 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Bush's fault - [info]whiterabbi7 - Wednesday, 10 June 2009 at 12:56 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Bush's fault - [info]citizendeux - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:19 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Bush's fault - [info]woodinio - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:50 pm (UTC) Expand
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Re: Bush's fault - [info]geronimo1971 - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:23 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Bush's fault - [info]lenscribe - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:24 pm (UTC) Expand
You are a clueless imbicile - [info]armed_texan - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:27 pm (UTC) Expand
GIMME A BREAK! - [info]themadking - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:27 pm (UTC) Expand
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Woodino, they admitted it - [info]jessica_tufts - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 07:12 pm (UTC) Expand
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Bloviating Pig
[info]schratboy wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 12:58 pm (UTC)
The puffery and pomp from the N Korean Piggy President is pure propaganda.
Possible retaliation for a North Korean nuclear strike
[info]saneamerican wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 12:59 pm (UTC)
And the U.N (useless nations) will do what? The relevance of this organization is in question when you realize they have done nothing of substance to reign in North Korea or stop terrorism. I view them with the same disdain attributed to the egos in Washington D.C. Given teh global warming crisis, why is it that the people allow this much hot air to be spewed.
Re: Possible retaliation for a North Korean nuclear strike
[info]bbiiggblackdog wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 03:07 pm (UTC)
Someday all the sheeple in America will learn "Hope" is not a strategy. Obama is a fool and his arrogance is a threat to world peace as we know it.
Don't worry. Be happy.
[info]armed_texan wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:01 pm (UTC)
We have nothing to worry about. Barrack Obama (aka King Barry on this side of the pond) will whip up a nice speech and, upon reading it from his teleprompter, NK will immediately disarm. In the meantime, let's all join our hands and sing kumbaya.

Steve, Texas USA
Re: Don't worry. Be happy.
[info]wrongwayreagan wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 04:19 pm (UTC)
Oh, God, another right-wing hate-radio repeating drone. Go back to your bunker and await the Rapture.
Re: Don't worry. Be happy. - [info]ezekiel3839 - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 06:22 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Don't worry. Be happy. - [info]slowdownamerica - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 06:28 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Don't worry. Be happy. - [info]sirkips - Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 06:39 pm (UTC) Expand
U.N (useless Nations)
[info]saneamerican wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:01 pm (UTC)
Obviously the U.N is unwilling to do anything of substance with this situation or the worldwide terrorism. Why do the environmentalists allow such an accumulation of hot bags of air here or in D.C.?
get ready
[info]srcamachonj wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:13 pm (UTC)
The children are taken and raised by the state, they believe they are poor because they are persecuted by others. Their leaders are held as the only ones that can help them, because only those that follow the mandates of the state get jobs, and food and housing and medical care, so they are completely controlled, and anyone who speaks against the state is reported and jailed, like the South Korean worker. Those that report on rebels are rewarded and held as hero's of the state. This is what happens in communist and socialist countries, it's like an ant hill, all for the one, any that don't comply are engulfed. Kinda like what's happening in the U.S right now.
Korea's policy
[info]acguy wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:14 pm (UTC)
Asia Chronicle (www.asiachroniclenews.com) had a great quote about this: "The worry isn't that Korea will use nuclear weapons if attacked - the worry is that they will use them if not attacked, solely to prove that a weakened, pariah regime still has staying power and might in a globalized world." I think they hit the nail on the head.
Possible retaliation for a North Korean nuclear strike
[info]illinoismike wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:19 pm (UTC)
What are we (US) willing to do if they initiate an offensive, even non-nuclear, strike against South Korea? I'd love to hear some unequivocal statement from this administration to that effect. Alas, I suspect we'll think the thing to death....
Controlling N Korea
[info]binthere222 wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:27 pm (UTC)
But I thought that Bill Clinton got all this under control when he was president.

Din't he pay them billions of dollars to shut down their program? He even promised not to check up on them to see if they were telling the truth, as a show of good faith and a "sweetener" to the deal.

Well at least his wife can now correct his "mistake" that allowed them to build things up. She is just howling at the top of her lungs about this, Isn't she? Oh, I guess not.

Maybe there is just something wrong with both of them. Maybe they don't realize what a disaster it is to let a stalinist dictator have nukes. Or then again maybe they do understand, but the payments from china are just too compelling.
Mushroom Cloud
[info]i_love_nukes wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:45 pm (UTC)
I would love to see a mushroom cloud at a distance. I bet it's pretty cool.
Clinton's Fault
[info]zoberist wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:48 pm (UTC)
Let us all just remember that it was the Clinton Administration that gave N. Korea what ever it wanted if it would tone done the rhetoric. North Korea thinks that it just has to threaten. The Clinton administration was a foreign policy disaster. Sucking up to North Korea does not seem to be working any more. We should help Japan, North Korea and Taiwan go nuclear and then pre-emotively strike North Korea with our own nukes after taking out their air force.
Re: Clinton's Fault
[info]kenville wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 04:17 am (UTC)
My understanding is that the missile technology of North Korea was bought from Iran, who received it from China, who got it from Clinton in exchange for campaign contributions for his second term (which was then awarded primary trade status by him when they claimed they stole it instead of bought it).

I'm not positive this is all true, but I'm not joking either. You just have to have a long enough attention span to follow the news of these transactions over a period of many years.

It would be more than unpleasantly ironic if we were hit by such weapons thanks to the deals of one of our own presidents ...
Big Surpirse Huh Chamberlain!
[info]amtr wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:53 pm (UTC)
Of course N. Korea's nukes are for offensive purposes, just as are Iran's! The only people dumb enough to buy the balony (Israel's leadership isn't one of them) are Obama, the idiotic Pelosi and the rest of the Democrat Congress! Stupid, stupid, stupid does come close to expressing Obamas total lack of intelligence which is why he had his university transcripts sealed!
Re: Big Surpirse Huh Chamberlain!
[info]us_patriot wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 03:29 pm (UTC)
Mutual Assured Destruction will NOT work against muslim dictators in Iran, because of their belief in Martyrdom. Iran is willing to destroy Israel even if being totally destroyed themselves because their radical muslim belief of going straight to their heaven with many virgins waiting for them there!
What happened to mutually assured destruction? M.A.D.
[info]howlameisthat wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:55 pm (UTC)
Perhaps N. Korea is run by a mad man. But high ups in his country need to realize that if they launch a nuclear attack- they are assuring their country will be destroyed. This is what kept the cold war from becoming a nuclear war. This is what will keep Iran from launching a nuclear attack on Israel. The administration needs to let one of its military brass leak to the press our plans for our nuclear response if N. Korea launches a nuclear attack.

U.N. sanctions don't seem to mean anything to the nut job running N. Korea. Perhaps people inside the country who are not so irrational will fear a more direct response possibility and not want their country and families destroyed.

M.A.D. worked. Fear works even with madmen.
UN VS North Korea
[info]joealan wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:56 pm (UTC)
If North Korea uses nukes, they will face the unthinkable wrath of the UN in a non-binding resolution condeming thier actions. They wouldn't possibly subject themselves to that.

Maybe they'll feel better after Hillary stops in for a cup of coffee and tells them we love them.
Blast!
[info]randolphdj wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 01:57 pm (UTC)
The world as it is constructed today in today's reality, cannot afford to allow a continual threat from a pariah nation that has no other relationship with the rest of the world but offensive nuclear threats. We should all quake in our boots and shiver at the consequence of this ongoing blackmail threat of nuclear decimation, we must not. Its time to put this rogue nation out of its misery once and for all, no matter what it takes, setting an example by doing so, such that any other rogue nation that ever thinks of pulling the same kind of bluff and doing the same, will see that it doesn't pay at all to use threats of nuclear annihilation to try to get one's way. A price must be paid, better now than later, when its too late.
Good thing....
[info]anthonymountain wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 02:00 pm (UTC)
Good thing we have such a strong secretary of state in hillary clinton. she'll know what to do (*rolls eyes*).
Mcain
[info]reagandem wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 02:01 pm (UTC)
Who out there thinks that NK would pull this crap if Mcain had been elected?
n korea
[info]patrickmanion wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 02:02 pm (UTC)
the neculear trouble is the result of the apeasement tactice of a naive obama anbd like kennedy failing to confirm his egotism with his first meeting with the russian world leaders it lead to the cuban missle crisis and then to sacve face kennedy showed how tough he was with our children in vietnam where 50000 were killed countless maimed and now we know that s many have commited suicide over the years

pbams i repeating history hes the most dangerous threat in the world to dy a weak man and the animals are at the gate for the power grab

mad max and the thunder dome is happening before our very eyes
Exterminate the Vermin
[info]sjhollar wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 02:02 pm (UTC)
Are we going to sit around until that evil little slug, Kim, follows through with his threats? Probably. We are a gutless world when it comes to things like this. We have to stop this before it gets any worse. The world has to unite and go into that disgusting arm pit of a country and wipe it out once and for all. Sure, bad things will happen until it's done, but, it will be nothing compared to what we will face when they have a true nuclear arsenal and the missiles to carry them all over the world. Let's do it before it is too late.
Who will blink first? Not China!
[info]gsoboy wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 02:22 pm (UTC)
I don't quite understand why we (the USA) spin our wheels on this. The Chinese could easily bring the NK government to its knees. They simply don't want to. It's not in their interest. They site the ensuing refugee crisis would overwhelm them, but even that's a stretch of an argument. If every one in NK fled to China it would only impact China's population by 1.5%. No doubt that it would create a humanitarian crisis in the border area, but it's not like China has ever been a pillar of humanitarian issues in the past.

The real issue is China. They stand to benefit the longer this drags out. A nuke blast would affect them very little. The prevailing winds would carry the radio activity towards Japan and the Pacific. I'm convinced that this is all about China draining U.S. resources and sticking it to Japan at the same time. NK provides an easy way for China to have its cake and eating it too.
Re: Who will blink first? Not China!
[info]cashterry wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 04:44 pm (UTC)
How about this, "suddenly" Japan builds a nuclear program too. I wonder how China & NK would feel then... throw Taiwan in there for good measure ; )
Re: Who will blink first? Not China! - [info]kenville - Monday, 15 June 2009 at 04:23 am (UTC) Expand
Do you possibly think
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 02:26 pm (UTC)
Do you possibly think that the North Koreans may be harboring weapons of mass destruction?
North Korea and it's lunatic leader
[info]socialismsucks wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 02:28 pm (UTC)
I can't help but notice that every time I see a picture of that little twerp Kim Jong "ILL" (as in mentally) that he looks more and more like his puppet in the "America, World Police" movie from the South Park guys!
Re: North Korea and it's lunatic leader
[info]jeffpettys wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 05:11 pm (UTC)
Dems, its time to stop blaming Bush for everything. Its your economy now. Its your war now and its your policies now. This current problem with NK started up again under Clinton. Do your homework!
N. Korea: Run by a teenager?
[info]thebooch wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 02:28 pm (UTC)
What the hell. All this stomping and posturing by N. Korea sounds more like the country is run by an immature teenager going through puberty ... an immature teenager who has nuke knowledge, that is. Wow. Grow up, get a life, do something good for your people for once, and get back to the bargaining table so you don't remain the political armpit of the world. Geez!
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