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Pakistan plays dangerous double game

From Andrew Buncombe and Omar Waraich in Islamabad 

Men place the coffin of commander Qari Zainuddin in a grave in Dera Ismail Khan, located in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province

Reuters

Men place the coffin of commander Qari Zainuddin in a grave in Dera Ismail Khan, located in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province

The assassin struck shortly after morning prayers, storming into a room at the compound where Qari Zainuddin was staying and opening up with a volley of fire. The militant leader was rushed to a nearby hospital but declared dead. Meanwhile, the gunman - apparently dispatched by Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud - escaped in a waiting car.

The following day, in a cemetery of Muslim and Christian graves encircled by fields of maize, the 26-year-old, who in recent months had pitched himself against Mr Mehsud, was buried. The militant leader's funeral was notable for two things. Firstly the town was filled with checkposts manned by both Taliban and Pakistani security personnel. Secondly, when the dead man's brother, Misabhuddin, vowed to reporters that he would take revenge against Mr Mehsud, he also let slip something else. "Jihad against America and its allies in Afghanistan will continue as well," he said.

The killing last week of Mr Zainuddin, who had been staying in a compound provided by the country's ISI security agency, has opened a window on a complicated, controversial and perilous element of the battle against militants inside Pakistan. Mr Zainuddin, himself a Taliban leader who supported al-Qa'ida and jihad against Western troops in Afghanistan, had recently been recruited by the Pakistani authorities to join their battle to kill Baitullah Mehsud, who has emerged as the country's deadliest militant. In essence, Islamabad is recruiting anti-American fighters to bolster  a joint US-Pakistani operation.

The arrangement underlines the competing strategic priorities in the region for Pakistan and the US, even as their leaders opt in public for the language of common interests and shared enemies. "Pakistan just wants to concentrate on the Pakistani Taliban. They do not want to go after the Afghan Taliban," said Giles Dorronosoro, a regional expert at the Carnegie Endowment. "The US wants to put the Pakistan-Afghanistan border under control. They have totally different goals. And the issue is not resolvable."

The Pakistan army continues to regard militants who are not fighting against it as enduring assets and in recent years a distinction has been made between "good Taliban" (pro-government) and "bad Taliban" (anti-government). In most cases, that distinction is between militants who fight in Afghanistan and those who fight in Pakistan

Indeed, for all his loathing of Mr Mehsud - a lot of which was based on historic, personal reasons -  Mr Zainuddin was scarcely the model of a hero rising up against the local tyrant. In interviews that catapulted him from obscurity, Mr Zainuddin pledged fealty to Mullah Omar, the leader of the Afghan Taliban, declared his fondness for al-Qa'ida, and voiced support for holy war against US and NATO forces. Part of his quarrel with Mr Mehsud was a difference over the focus of their militant activities. While Mr Mehsud and his allies in the Swat Valley were principally fighting against the Pakistani military, Mr Zainuddin believed that it was wrong to attack fellow Muslims.

For the administration of Barack Obama, Pakistan's recruitment of such individuals poses a pressing dilemma. Since the beginning of the year and the emergence of Washington's new Af-Pak policy, a decision has clearly been taken to try and eliminate Mr Mehsud, a former bodybuilder, and a flurry of missile strikes have targeted him, most recently this week.

As a result, while the US might think twice before turning away help in the effort to kill a man on whose head it has placed a $5m bounty, the case of Mr Zainuddin is a powerful reminder that one's enemy's enemy might not always be a friend. "The forces that have been recruited by Pakistan to attack Baitullah Mehsud are our enemies," said Christine Fair, a Washington-based analyst. "The Pakistanis are looking to use one militant against another. So you have people such as Zainuddin and Maulvi Nazir [another militant recruited previously by Islamabad] who are Pakistan's allies. But the problem is that they are the US's enemies because they are supporting attacks in Afghanistan."

Mr Zainuddin clearly had his uses for the Pakistani military. The militant leader hailed from Mr Mehsud's tribe and came from the same area, around the town of Makeen in South Waziristan. The Pakistan army has said it needs local support on the ground to be able to take on such militants like Mr Mehsud. While his claim of having the support of thousands of fighters may have been over-inflated, with his backing the army could potentially have destabilised the Taliban commander on more than one front.

Yet as Ms Fair points out, previous arrangements with "good militants" have come to ruin. In 2007 when Maulvi Nazir of the rival Ahmedzai Wazir tribe in South Waziristan took on Uzbek groups aligned to al-Qa'ida and Mr Mehsud, the Pakistan army backed him. After his men killed 250 Uzbek fighters, the army entered a non-aggression pact with Mr Nazir and his associate Hafiz Gul Bahadur.

Yet the US continued to see Mr Nazir as an enemy as he was still mounting attacks across the border. CIA-operated drone attacks showered his base. Enraged, Mr Nazir and Mr Bahadur shed their differences and formed a new alliance with Mr Mehsud earlier this year. Indeed, the creation of that alliance may been a factor in the US deciding to begin targeting Mr Mehsud. Now, all three groups could be lined-up against the Pakistan army when it presses ahead with its counter-insurgency operation in South Waziristan.

More publicly, but with comparably damaging results, was Pakistan's brief embrace of Sufi Muhammad, the hardline cleric it enlisted to broker peace in the Swat Valley earlier this year. In late 2001, he led hundreds of young men to fight in Afghanistan. Jailed upon his return, he was released last year on the condition he disavow militancy.

Faced with the prospect of Swat falling to fighters led by Maulana Fazlullah, the cleric's son-in-law, the government halted its faltering military operation and sued for peace. Mr Muhammad was tasked with urging his relative to lay down his arms in return for the government's implementation of Islamic law. Within weeks, however, it not only emerged that the Taliban had no intention of changing their ways, but Mr Muhammad turned from a supposed pacifier to an active enabler of their activities.

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Brilliant article! The Pakistan Govt. is clearly supporting terrorists!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 06:19 am (UTC)
The Pakistani Govt, is the one who constructed Taliban in the first palce; not CIA as the typical Islamist propaganda is claiming! It's so scary to think that thsi crazy govt is possessing nuclear weapon and supporting terrorists at the same time!
Re: Brilliant article! The Pakistan Govt. is clearly supporting terrorists!
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 07:36 am (UTC)
OMG, what drivel are you going on about now?

Even Asif Ali Zardari admits that both Al Qaeda and the Taliban were a joint mission between the ISI and the CIA, its pretty well known that Osama Bin Laden was a CIA asset and what is less known is that CIA funds and arms were still being sent that way well after 1989.

Oh and a FYI, Osama Bin Laden's CIA operational name was Tim Ossman and the NY Times (the great Islamic publication) listed that some 6 billion dollars during the eighties was given to Mr Ossman and his groups by the Americans and that was considered a "conservative" amount and many people thought a lot more was handed over.

Your hatred of Muslims is showing here, as is your blind obedience to all things American, absolving the US of its complicity in creating these organisations and heaping the blame all on the Pak's, you claim it is all "Islamist propaganda" but everything you stated above is just that... propaganda.

I would recommend some reading if you dare, go look up Iran-Contra, the Golden Crescent/Golden Triangle and the myriad of sites out there that catalogue the CIA's past history, this is all from declassified material and whilst you are at it, why not look up the wonderful MK Ultra programme as well, perhaps it was all "Islamist Declassification", US govt records maliciously set free into the public domain by evil "brown" people who live in caves.
Hey ancientoneuk, you sex-maniac Islamic STALKER loser, get lost!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 05:53 pm (UTC)
What a piece of nasty caveman loser you are; who cannot leave woemn alone! You have abused right from the beginning in different articles with vile sexual language and stalking me non-stop! You pathetic caveman Taleban!
Re: Hey ancientoneuk, you sex-maniac Islamic STALKER loser, get lost!
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 10:14 pm (UTC)
As I said before, this is a free and open forum and if you cannot engage in proper and intelligent argument, go **** yourself.

This is the usual response to anyone that dares challenge the almighty Nooraza, never mind her abject racism and her very misinformed attempts at propagandising threads whilst offering ZERO evidence to support it...

I'm sick to death of people like you, that claim to belong to a certain faction, exhibit massive double standards and like a pathetic child, calls people names when they can't get their own way.
Re: Hey ancientoneuk, you abused me FIRST with vile sexual alnguage, don't forget you pervert!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 11:26 pm (UTC)
Yo're a sick man! You simply cannot stand a woman/feminist like me who simply won't be shut up by a coward primitive caveman bully like you, in spite of your persistent stalking and abusing me FIRST with vile language! To think that you are vgoing to be working in HOSPITAL with vulnerable mental patients! Instaed of being locked up in Broadmoor!
Re: Hey ancientoneuk, you abused me FIRST with vile sexual alnguage, don't forget you pervert!
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Wednesday, 1 July 2009 at 03:52 am (UTC)
Why don't you just give it a rest and change the record Nooraza, you are an abject racist who has serious and possibly pathological hatreds of anything Muslim and anyone that dares say a thing contrary to what you might say.

Civilised and intelligent adults have something called "debate", where one adult posits a viewpoint and the other challenges it with logical and intelligent argument until a viewpoint consensus can be agreed or not in many cases.

Your "adult" means of debate is to toss out into the open very outrageous and sweeping statements, without evidence or fact, then vilely abuse those that dare challenge it, reducing yourself down to highly offensive and extremely puerile name calling.

So I will waste no more time on you, I have tried many times to engage in real debate with you and received the vilest of names and abuses in return. I never meant to offend you and sought to calm matters down and in response have been called ranging names from "child abuser" to "terrorist" delivered in a manner that highlights your very disturbing racist views.

You claim to be a feminist, feminism was a counter movement developed to fight a bigotry being used against women, yet your views on Muslims are a bigotry too, you cannot claim to be a feminist with such racist views, you are inciting the same conditions on another range of people that you claim to fight yourself...

You Nooraza are a hypocrite, a racist and in my own honest opinion plainly insane.

And for all those names you called me, I say this... Why don't you go f**k yourself or failing that, go hawk your pearly down the nearest street corner and get f**ked there and please, do feminists around the world the greatest of favours and stop calling yourself one, you besmirch them everytime you claim to be such.
Hey ancientoneuk, You sex-pervert loser; and you want to work in a hospital?
[info]nooraza wrote:
Wednesday, 1 July 2009 at 12:23 pm (UTC)
I'm sending this sexual abuses to me for (I've lost count how many times),as you rant at me above,"Why don't you go f**k yourself or failing that, go hawk your pearly down the nearest street corner and get f**ked there", to the Metropolitan police, AGAIN! And I will inform them that you're training to work in a hospital as you told me, with menatl health patients! you should be locked up at Broadmoor you crazy Islamist psychopath and sex-pervert loser!
Re: Hey ancientoneuk, you sex-maniac Islamic STALKER loser, get lost!
[info]paklover wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 10:26 pm (UTC)
Brother ancientoneuk I love you...such a logical and well knowledgeable reply. This Nooraza doesnot have any argument to support his claim..he is just a dumb.
Re: Brilliant article! The Pakistan Govt. is clearly supporting terrorists!
[info]fin_d_empire wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 11:11 pm (UTC)
Wow, nooraza wrote an almost sane comment! Attagirl, now read this and you will understand how vain your hopes that the USA will save you from Jihadis are:

GLOBAL JIHAD, SECTARIANISM AND THE MADRASSAHS IN PAKISTAN


In the heyday of the Afghan war, USAID funded a project for writing and printing books for elementary schools established in refugee camps in Pakistan for Afghan children. The University of Nebraska, Omaha (UNO) oversaw the US$50 million contract with the Education Center for Afghanistan (ECA), a group approved by the Pakistani government and
various Mujaheedin factions.

These books were then distributed and used by the educators in Pakistan and, after the Soviet withdrawal, in Afghanistan. These books were not only replete with pictures of Kalashnikovs but also taught the children the Persian alphabet and basic mathematics in an unusual way. The first-grade language arts books introduced the alphabet:
"The letter Alif is for Allah [Allah is one]; Bi is for baba (father) [Baba goes to the mosque]; ?The letter Jim is for Jihad [jihad is an obligation. My mom went to jihad. Our brother gave water to Mujaheedin]." A fourth-grade mathematics textbook posed this problem: The speed of a Kalashnikov bullet is 800 meters per second. If a Russian is at a distance of 3200 meters from a mujahid, and that mujahid aims at the Russian?s head, calculate how many seconds it will take for the bullet to strike the Russian in the forehead?

The University of Nebraska (a CIA-run university) not only published the "J is for Jihad, K is for Kalashnikov" textbooks paid for by the good old US of A but graciously hosted the Taliban, trying to convince them what a good company Unocal was and why they should stand watch over its oil pipelines.

Those textbooks also contained the sort of Taliban misogyny and its burka-clad view of women as inferior creatures that make your menopausal flushes go white-hot. If you were at all capable of rational thought you would see that Yanks will sell their own mothers, never mind the women of Pakistan or Afghanistan. Do you know who was representing the Taliban is Washington in those days? Laila Helms, niece of the former CIA director Richard Helms!
Ms. Helms is married to a nephew of a former C.I.A. director, Richard Helms.

Since the Taliban took power in Afghanistan in 1996, Ms. Helms has acted as their unofficial liaison to the West, publicly defending their policies and, she said in a recent interview, privately urging them to steer a more moderate course.

New York Times, November 27, 2001
Hye
[info]muhshusa wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 06:59 am (UTC)
I just want to say that Pakistan is not the only one playing double game, US is also supporting Mr Mehsood and is involved in destabilising Pakistan. It is all part of the greator game. Every country has the right to defend itself and Pakistan is in the midst of crisis because of the false policies of US.
Finally, the West is seeing through the glass, albeit hazily...
[info]shahid911 wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 08:16 am (UTC)
Wise men say, "Never underestimate your enemy...it may well be the one whom you consider a 'close ally' "
[info]ashokmehta13 wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 12:59 pm (UTC)
The article contains nothing new; Pakistan has always nutured and supported the terrorists. The West, particularly USA is wasting its time propping up a failed State with aid, the sooner Pakistan is destroyed the better, a new and a better ans peaceful State will then rise from the ashes
US forces are working with every single war lord and drug lord
[info]tango123 wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 03:01 pm (UTC)
US forces are working with every single war lord and drug lord who is willing to support the US in Afghanistan. Pakistan is employing the same strategy on its side of the border.

Pakistan's goal is to get Mehsood and other Taliban leaders, statements by Qari's brother are more to his own troops.

Lets not forget the intelligence provided by the CIA before the Iraq war.
Names/Identities?
[info]ambricourt wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 03:03 pm (UTC)
Ambricourt

Is the Mr Mehsud referred to in the article the same local leader as a man named Mahsood who received Stingers and other armaments during the Soviet-Afghan war and was praised by western media as a mighty warrior? Or his son, or a relative?
Any information, please?
Re: Names/Identities?
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 10:16 pm (UTC)
The Stingers that the CIA were still trying to buy back as late as 2000? Offering millions to get them out of the hands of the warlords you mean?

The ones used to shoot down aircraft in Iraq and Afghanistan...?

Sounds like the same one to me.
Re: Names/Identities?
[info]fin_d_empire wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:35 am (UTC)
You probably mean Ahmed Shah Mahsoud, the Tajik warlord who was killed by the ISI. He was on the other side, i.e. the so-called northern alliance of Takij and Uzbek narco-warlords. Baitullah Mehsud is a Pashtun and takes orders from Mullah Omar, who commanded the victorious Taliban campaign against the northern alliance.

Obomber forced Zardari to go after Baitullah Mehsud, who controls NATO's supply routes and regularly takes his toll on the convoys. After the Pak army failed to get Mehsud or any other Taliban leader after killing thousands of civilians and drove millions out of their homes, the ISI hired Qari Zainuddin to assassinate him. Zainuddin killed several of Baitullah's relatives but in the end, Baitullah once again prevailed.

As for Shah Mahsoud, he was nominally a mujaheed during the CIA Jihad but the Tajiks and Uzbeks mostly worked for the Soviets and while Mahsoud took money from the CIA, he made a deal with the Russkies not to attack them so they left him alone. He then started calling himself "Lion of the Panshir" because he pretended it was his bravery that kept the Soviets out of the Panshir valley.
All sides are Playing....Why blame Pakistan?
[info]thecage3000 wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 04:05 pm (UTC)
If Pakistan should't play double game then it must be stopped by all other players in this BIG game. If Us or India or others are protecting their interests in far fletch ares of the world then why Pakistan should give its neighbourhood in a plate to its enemies. Why people just want their own nations to be all powerful and their disliked countries all too weak?
Just read the the comment from "ashokmehta13", another Indian, full of hate towards Pakistan. Indian leaders predicted that Pakistan will be finished within six months after the independence but still WE are too strong for them to be destroyed and such hatred filled comments will keep us working hard to protect our motherland.
However, I beleive that other states must have to recognise Pakistans rights in the region as well and they must have to cut their ties with her enemies to get full support. this is the only natural way for US to get help from Pakistan.

So, Sincerety is required from all sides.
The pictures that tell the whole story
[info]fin_d_empire wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 11:24 pm (UTC)


Osama bin Laden (CIA codename Tim Osman) in Pak paratrooper uniform showing Carter's national security advisor (and Obama's foreign policy bigwig) Zbigniew Brzezinski the new guns he got with the CIA- and Saudi-donated cash for CIA's global Jihad.

Re: The pictures that tell the whole story
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Wednesday, 1 July 2009 at 04:00 am (UTC)
Might wanna resize that second pic as the mods might pull the post (they might anyway when they realise who that is lol)

Is it true that OBL spent some time too at the US Military death squad academy: School of the Americas?
Re: The pictures that tell the whole story
[info]fin_d_empire wrote:
Wednesday, 1 July 2009 at 05:17 pm (UTC)
The link to the second pic appears to be broken, I got it out of my archive so maybe it's gone. It's just a second frame from the Osama-Brzezinski gun lovers confab. What exactly are you seeing?

AFAIK Osama wasn't trained by the Yanks but by the ISI. That's one reason he's in Pak uniform, the other being that a civilian traveling on Pak choppers would be conspicuous.
Re: The pictures that tell the whole story
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Wednesday, 1 July 2009 at 05:38 pm (UTC)
The pic was massive for me.

I know OBL was primarily trained by ISI, that was the whole point in keeping him as a "deniable", I have seen documents though that showed he visited a few US bases as Osman in his time and my memory is letting me down probably but something to do with the SoA keeps ringing a bell.
Names/Identities?
[info]ambricourt wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 02:41 pm (UTC)
Ambricourt

Thank you, ancientoneuk and fin_d_empire, for your comments. If only journalists had the knowledge, the will and the freedom to give details such as fin_d_empire offers instead of scanning reports from authorized sources and paraphrasing them for mass consumption in newspapers and on television. . .

We already live in a time when well-informed bloggers are more reliable than professional journalists!

Today I find one of the photographs posted by well-informed fin_d_empire has been blocked out on my computer. But the photograph showing Bin Laden in Pakistani military uniform alongside Presidential advisor Brzezinski should be on the front page of every newspaper. Why not, in an allegedly "free" communications environment?
fin_d_empire,,,,A fact twister
[info]thecage3000 wrote:
Wednesday, 1 July 2009 at 02:52 am (UTC)


Dear ambricourt ,,,,do you really beleive this picture is of Osamas,,and do ya really think that Pakistan would allow him to wear its Army uniform during 1980s when no single country, even US, was helping the so called mujahideen openly,,,,what an innocent person you are??,,,and I am not impressed with your knowledge as well because most of the comments by "fin_d_empire" are based on twissted facts like his comment that Masood was killed by ISI. Sorry its compelete INNOVATION, not even a twissted fact......
and I can't accept that he is a genuine, ordinary commentator.......but a professional propagandist...

Hey "nooraza" you are overreacting on someone's comments,,,specially by using foul language,,,,Take it easy girl....

Re: fin_d_empire,,,,A fact twister
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Wednesday, 1 July 2009 at 04:27 am (UTC)
The internet is a great place and one of those great places it allows you to visit are such things as declassified files in many countries, I suggest you do some research before condemning others who plainly have done their homework.

Why too are they twisted facts? On whose basis do you make this? On information derived from US propagandic sources maybe? I am amazed that anyone actually believes a damn thing the US and UK governments say as they have been found to lie, lie and lie again and so many people buy into that lie, repeating it ad nauseum, not realising that they have been duped into keeping that lie alive...

The US government and its agencies all say in regard to Iran that they had nothing to do with the recent problems, thats the "offcial line" from Obama himself but hold on, out there are little voices, voices like Brett Scowcroft who say "but yes we are involved, we are doing stuff in Iran" and when that man is part of the system accused of doing this, we catch again the liars out.

In regards to Iran-Contra, everyone all stated it was nothing to do with them, some under oath and then it all came out... lies and more lies and all conventienly wrapped up when Oliver North took the can not just for Reagan but the various Bush members and others. Operation Northwoods is the biggest example of just how far the US government will go to start a war, it planned to start a war with Cuba by dressing up dead bodies in Cuban uniforms and claim the Cubans had assaulted Guantanamo Naval base, it went on further to train and secure resources to plant bombs on mainland America, bombs that would have killed Americans but blamed on the Cubans, the plan even suggested flying a "hijacked" aircraft by remote control into a national and iconic US landmark with a script of "hijackers" doing it for Cuba. These files are all viewable on US govt servers, go see for yourself...

And is it pure coincidence that Mrs Bhutto on Sir David Frost's interview on Al Jazeera stated (and subsequently edited out) that she knew OBL was dead, isn't it strange that she was dead a week later...? In what was seen in reality as a professional hit but the media presented as a frenzied amateur attack. people might scoff at that but then don't draw the line between stuff like that and Seymour Hersch's impending expose on Dick Cheney's extralegal assassination squad, that had assassinated a great many people seen as "obstacles" to the Bush administration Bhutto was likely to win and refused America bases in Pakistan and threatened to prove to the world that the US was lying about Bin Laden).
Re: fin_d_empire,,,,A fact twister
[info]thecage3000 wrote:
Wednesday, 1 July 2009 at 07:01 pm (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion to research Mr. ancientoneuk but unfortunately I have other things to do as well mate,,,,and I don't think there was a need of special research for above mentioned comment and also I beleive that there is no lie in it, ,,Is't it?? However I did't condemn someone who beleived in a false information but the one who is propogating a lie himself. I compeletly respect his right to have his own opinion but I suggest that one should only propogate somethings which is a proven truth and beyond doubt as well.

I do agree with the major part of your remaining comment.
Re: fin_d_empire,,,,A fact twister
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Thursday, 2 July 2009 at 12:35 am (UTC)
Thank you... a refreshingly honest response.
Second Osama-Zbig picture
[info]fin_d_empire wrote:
Thursday, 2 July 2009 at 05:26 am (UTC)
Apologies, I just realized that the second pic I linked to was way too big. Here's a smaller version at another location:

Re: Second Osama-Zbig picture
[info]thecage3000 wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 12:42 pm (UTC)

Did't want to reply but its so big LIE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,DO YOU KNOW THE HIGHT OF OBL,,,,,,,,,ITS 6' AND 3/4"

And your FAKE OBL is not even 6'.....because every1 knows that Mr. Brzezinski is't even 6'......Pls don't come up with false information,,,because purpose of the comments are to get some correct knowledge and views.........................??????

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