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Victory (for a crooked, corrupt and discredited government)

Special report by Patrick Cockburn

Hamid Karzai

Reuters

The US and its allies may now push for a national unity government between Mr Karzai (pictured) and Abdullah Abdullah

The election in Afghanistan has turned into a disaster for all who promoted it. Hamid Karzai has been declared re-elected as President of the country for the next five years though his allies inside and outside Afghanistan know that he owes his success to open fraud. Instead of increasing his government's legitimacy, the poll has further de-legitimised it.

From Mr Karzai's point of view he won through at the end and showed that nobody is strong enough to get rid of him. For the US President, Barack Obama, the election has no silver lining. It has left him poised to send tens of thousands more US troops to fight a war in defence of one of the world's most crooked, corrupt and discredited governments. "It is not that the Taliban is so strong, but the government is so weak," was a common saying among Afghans before the election. This will be even truer in future.

The US and its allies may now push for a national unity government between Mr Karzai and Abdullah Abdullah, his main rival for the presidency. This might look good on paper, or at least better than the alternative of Mr Karzai ruling alone. But enforced unity between men who detest each other will institutionalise divisions. Its value will largely be in terms of propaganda for external consumption.

On 4 November 2008, when Mr Obama won the US election, he must have believed he had been right to take a soft line on Iraq and a hard one on Afghanistan. The former looked much the more dangerous place. Just 12 months later he is discovering that the reverse is true and Afghanistan is the biggest foreign policy problem facing the US. It is a more dangerous place for the US and its allies than Iraq ever was.

In Iraq, unlike Afghanistan, the government was democratically elected by a huge majority in 2005. There was a savage civil war because the fifth of the population, who are Sunni Arabs, did not accept that victory. The Shia did not relish US occupation, but they were prepared to co-operate with it while they took power. Only the Kurds were long-term US allies.

In Iraq the state was previously strong and can be made strong again. Above all the Iraqi government had money. Its oil revenues were $62bn (£38bn) last year. The Afghan government has in the past had limited authority outside the cities and it has no money apart from foreign aid handouts.

Another important difference between the two countries is geography. Iraq is flat outside Kurdistan and the great majority live in cities and towns on the Tigris and Euphrates. It is not good terrain for guerrilla fighters in contrast to Afghanistan with its high mountains, broken hills and isolated villages.

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The Taliban have been able to use safe havens in the Pashtun belt of north-west Pakistan. These areas are now under attack from US drones and the Pakistani army. But the suicide bombers who killed 35 people in Rawalpindi and maimed at least seven in Lahore yesterday showed that the cost to Pakistan of attacking an insurgency firmly rooted in its Pashtun community will be high.

One of the few benefits of the Afghan election might be a more realistic understanding in the US and Europe – particularly in Britain – of the mechanics of Afghan politics. These were eloquently summarised in his resignation letter to the US State Department by Matthew Hoh, the senior American civilian representative in Zabul province. He was previously a US Marine officer in Iraq. Mr Hoh makes the important point that the US has joined one side in what is effectively a 35-year-long civil war in Afghanistan. He sees this as being between the urban, educated, secular, modern Afghanistan against the rural, religious, illiterate and traditional Pashtun.

"The US and Nato presence and operations in Pashtun valleys and villages, as well as Afghan army and police units that are led and composed of non-Pashtun soldiers and police, provide an occupation force against which the insurgency is justified," concludes Mr Hoh. "I have observed that the bulk of the insurgency fights not for the white banner of the Taliban, but rather against the presence of foreign soldiers and taxes imposed by an unrepresentative government in Kabul."

Mr Hoh's observations are confirmed by opinion polls in Afghanistan. The majority of Afghans do not want more foreign troops. They think their arrival will mean more dead Afghans. The areas where the Taliban is most acceptable is where US and allied planes and artillery have killed civilians. The idea that the US Army is going to turn into a glorified Peace Corps is romantic and unrealistic.

Washington and London should really wonder after Afghanistan's farcical election if their political and military investment in the country is worth it. Their policy of propping up and strengthening the central government looks more ludicrous than before. There is something sickening when British troops had their legs blown off securing polling stations where Afghans could vote, when the British-supported government in Kabul was busily fabricating the vote so the presence or absence of polling booths was entirely irrelevant.

The US and Britain have joined somebody else's civil war. It is not one that the Taliban are likely to win, because they rely on the Pashtun community which makes up only 42 per cent of the population. By the same token they are not likely to lose either. American troop reinforcements would give the anti-Taliban forces control over more of the country but would also intensify the war. The context of greater US involvement will be, thanks to the election, a weaker Karzai government so Americans, not Afghans, will take the vital political and military decisions. To Afghans this means the foreign presence will look even more like an imperial occupation.

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Come now, give the bloke a chance.
[info]hippydroog wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 12:14 am (UTC)
It's so easy to criticise but, face the facts, teething troubles are bound to occur when imposing a novel democratic system.
In 50 years time, all will be tickety-boo and the Afghans will show huge gratitude for our finacial faith and dead brave boys when they are living in the land of milk and honey.

They will be on their knees singing our praises, thankful that we have shown them the way towards peace, prosperity and corruption free politics. I can hardly wait.
Re: Come now, give the bloke a chance.
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 10:17 am (UTC)

I'm forced to say that your comment is the best joke of the day. And you say it with such a straight face to make it even more hilarious!

Keep it up, we need a good laugh in these gloomy days of recession.
Re: Come now, give the bloke a chance. - [info]timspooner - Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 06:13 am (UTC) Expand
And to think ..
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 01:42 am (UTC)
... that well over 200 ordinary British soldiers have died to create this signal victory for western democracy.

As usual, I suppose no one in Westminster or Whitehall knows the death toll of Afghans.

Or really cares.
Afghanistan
[info]sweetbriar12 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 03:16 am (UTC)
Finding billions of dollars to wage war in Afghanistan is apparently very easy; finding any dollars to improve the everyday life there is very difficult.
The former will not end this 'war' whilst the latter will.
International Community shoots self in foot
[info]alexweir1949 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 04:45 am (UTC)
International Community shoots self in foot

The International Community since 2006 has had on offer a voting system which cannot be frauded, and which is designed specially for third world conditions and for conflict zones. The IC refuses to consider this system for unstated reasons, which one has to imagine is in fact to do with the IC's underhand support for dictators - for whatever reason.

The fact that the IC is now in a mess regarding Zimbabwe and Afghanistan is quite amusing, if it were not for the fact that innocent lives will be lost.

It is now time for the IC to bite the bullet and accept that global change is coming. Surprisingly, the adoption of such fraud-proof voting systems will greatly help the struggle against extremism.

Mr Alex Weir, Baghdad and Harare
Re: International Community shoots self in foot
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 08:52 am (UTC)
They did have a system designed to remove fraud, that's why the number of votes Kazai had were reduced below 50%.

Stop promoting your voting system and making absurd claims that it is immune to fraud.
Strange, but not really
[info]walterwall wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 06:02 am (UTC)
I am struck by how America, Britain and even the UN rushed to congratulate Karzai on his "victory".
How different from their attitude to the Iranian elections.
THE WEST and the DEMOCRACY
[info]hjd001 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 06:46 am (UTC)
Mugabe, Kibaki and Ahmedinejad can now claim election fraud, WHAT election fraud? we told you so. In any case if however The so called International Community does not nulify karzai's win than I think democracy is dead.

It is talibanis who are celebrating this karzai's win. With karzai still around US and Nato troops will be there in Afghanistan for forseable future.

As to corruption name the Giver and the Taker, and also who started it in the first place.
Re: THE WEST and the DEMOCRACY
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 08:56 am (UTC)
Why should the IC nullify Karzai's victory? He got the most votes and the man who got the second highest number of votes decided not to stand against him in a run off. This is how democracy is supposed to work. By contrast if the IC go against the will of the Afghans and remove the candidate they choose this will kill democracy because the Afghans will not be allowed a to choose a leader the IC disapprove of.
Re: THE WEST and the DEMOCRACY - [info]hjd001 - Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 10:21 am (UTC) Expand
Fighting someone else's civil war - looney.
[info]over325one wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 07:10 am (UTC)
Victory (for a crooked, corrupt and discredited government). Well, at least the soldiers and Afghanis know what they are dying for.
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[info]sidsnot wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 07:15 am (UTC)
The victory is probably that non of our corrupt politicians will have their collars felt. I cannot see (and have never seen) what Afghanistan has to do with a tin-pot dictatorship like the UK
Western democracy means election by cabal
[info]jeanshaw wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 07:17 am (UTC)
Who are we to offer advice to any country about democracy. Without being given the chance to vote we are shortly to have a President of the EU who has no democratic legitimacy at all , we have no idea of what he will do . We are now allowed to know how the choice will be made since it will be discussed and agreed behind closed doors, we can only even guess at the candidates since there is no ballot paper.

Re: Western democracy means election by cabal
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 08:57 am (UTC)
We didn't vote for the head of NATO or the UN either? So what's your point?
Re: Western democracy means election by cabal - [info]celticwelshman - Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 08:16 pm (UTC) Expand
Kazai won fairly
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 08:50 am (UTC)
Given that Kazai got about 49% of the votes after all the fraudulent ones were removed he was clearly the preferred candidate for most Afghans. Kazai has again been chosen by the Afghans to lead them and should be allowed to continue without criticism from countries outside Afghanistan and newspapers who seem to oppose him for no real reason.
Re: Kazai won fairly
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 10:25 am (UTC)

We dont know what percentage he got.

What sort of muppet would say "won fairly" - are you related to Karzai, his brother Wali Karzai is already on the CIA payroll?
Re: Kazai won fairly - [info]timspooner - Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 06:14 am (UTC) Expand
excellent article
[info]brinksman wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 09:13 am (UTC)
Once again Cockburn has come up trumps with his analysis of back-door corruption in faraway places. Thank goodness we have him.
www.millarcrime.com
Labour?
[info]arclight99 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 10:30 am (UTC)

"Victory (for a crooked, corrupt and discredited government)"

When I saw that headline alone I thought it was an unusually honest headline about Labour!

I guess the Afghans have their problems as well.



Re: Labour?
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 11:10 am (UTC)

The Afghan people have external forces manipulating their destinies. The Afghan people are not in control as you have assumed.
Re: Labour? - [info]rationalist99 - Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 09:26 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Labour? - [info]corporeal_v001 - Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 02:27 pm (UTC) Expand
Nationhood a Perquisite for democracy
[info]faridg wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 11:30 am (UTC)

The key building block of democracy is patriotism, rooted in a strong belief in nationhood. A further key aspect is unity. What various factions in Afghanistan fail to realize is that to the outside world they are just a bunch of ‘ragheads’ and as long as they cant come together under the banner of ‘one nation’ they will always live in a failed state. I am talking about a militant nationalist ideology, whereby all various peoples of Afghanistan are united under one flag and anyone who acts against the better interests of all is either expelled or killed. If someone is using a messed up version of Islam for their political gains or stuff’s their pockets for their own financial gain then they should be punished. Only then, real peace and real prosperity will come to this troubled nation. Established and powerful nations like Britain and America are built on these simple principles and to suggest that democracy can flourish without the principle of nationhood is load of …...
Re: Nationhood a Perquisite for democracy
[info]mycos wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 05:30 pm (UTC)
Give me a break! You began describing a typical authoritarian regime then suddenly veered off into the idea that right-wing nationalism and strict obedience and service to the "nation" somehow defines democracy. Except that it is a textbook fascist ideal you've asserted as being at the heart of the Western success as strong yet MOTR nations.

And your idea that Afghani's somehow care about whether spoiled wannabe nation-builders calling them derisive names from the comfort of their armchairs simply because they don't conform your own narrow vision of how a people can count their lives as successful tells me everything. (1)
What you fail to realize is that the tribes there already belong to "nations" similar to the identities people had during Biblical times. The "Nation of Esau" for instance was actually a description of a clan. As such, the Pashtun's are a solid national identity. More solid than calling oneself an "Afghani". And their nation will probably still be around long after the name "Afghanistan" has passed into historical obscurity along with the other relics of this /only/ recent period when man began arranging himself according to strict geographic lines rather than one's historic beliefs and blood-lines.
No doubt a tradition we will continue after we Europeans have our fling - learn our lessons over what happens when we let corporate/industrial interests decide what kings and petty tyrants had always done.

(1) RWA who is also a political conservative. You had at least one parent be extremely demanding and fickle with their affection, who also never really satisfied at your efforts to please. (As a result) you had a troubling adolescence when others began to socialize. You actually feel a warm glow when a panhandler asks for money so you can refuse him. http://www.doc.state.ok.us/offenders/ocjrc/95/950725C.htm
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Re: Nationhood a Perquisite for democracy - [info]faridg - Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 07:45 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nationhood a Perquisite for democracy - [info]mycos - Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 08:51 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nationhood a Perquisite for democracy - [info]faridg - Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 09:09 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: !8:88 - [info]mycos - Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 11:54 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nationhood a Perquisite for democracy - [info]faridg - Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 05:58 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nationhood a Perquisite for democracy - [info]mycos - Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 12:15 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Nationhood a Perquisite for democracy - [info]faridg - Wednesday, 4 November 2009 at 08:52 am (UTC) Expand
Surprised?
[info]bobav wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 11:34 am (UTC)
I am unsure how anyone could think that the way to build democracies in places with absolutely no structure that is reminiscent of anything we in the West recognize as democracy can be done through drone attacks, bombings, extraordinary renditions, secret concentration camps and massacre.

This is not to say that the Afghans and other peoples with governments (or lack of governments) seen as barriers to easy resource access and exploitation do not have traditions and historical/cultural systems that could be adapted to a more bottom-up, populist inspired, democratically inspired, state... but to feed those already existing systems and move them into positions of recognizable, wide scale, governance would require a degree of, at least, sharing power in a way that the current neo-colonialists, with their supports and motivations inextricably linked to energy producers and their hunger for extraordinary levels of profit for those in the upper echelon of their systems, cannot fathom and will not allow.

It remains quite clear, as it did during Bush's reign, and now Obama's (albeit Mr. Obama likes to be portrayed as having a softer touch) that there will be no true populace-inspired democratization anywhere where there is oil profit and geo-political energy trade routes to control. The current silence in corporate media about the goings-on in Iraq foretell the future of any nation that happens to stand in the way of, especially US, access to the dwindling supplies of oil. All manner of lies and deceit, self and other, will be employed and tolerated in order to secure the very system of combustion that will soon cause the further impoverishment of impoverished people the world over due to climate change. We will tolerate and actually foment bloody chaos as long as we and our mega-wealthy oil barons can have complete control over the access to and profits from the oil fields and pipelines.

This is a kind of cancer on the species. As it metastasizes globally it will appear in various forms, recognizable and unrecognizable as linked to the primary site. That the wealthiest among us show no willingness to forgo their level of privilege and access to stem the growth of the cancer and get at the root causes will only propel the spread of the disease until the more virulent and violent forms of it become more common place as well.
There isn't any oil in Afghanistan
[info]arclight99 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 01:08 pm (UTC)

There is no oil in Afghanistan so conspiracy theorists like yourself should take a day off.

The West is Afghanistan to try and stabilize a country which failed. Clinton's strategy was to ignore the place and that led directly to 9/11. Now the West recognizes it has to engage. There is a war and that's caused by the Taliban trying to prevent democracy, the rule of law, women's rights and stability.
Re: There isn't any oil in Afghanistan - [info]ascot2 - Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 02:20 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: There isn't any oil in Afghanistan - [info]unexpectedtiger - Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 06:32 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: There isn't any oil in Afghanistan - [info]corporeal_v001 - Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 06:41 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: There isn't any oil in Afghanistan - [info]bobav - Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 08:24 pm (UTC) Expand
Aghanistan Non-Election
[info]jazmayeli wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC)
And this is what they call democracy? No, this is what we call an acute embarrassment.
You don't have an answer to the Afghan Question.
[info]maverick212 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 12:52 pm (UTC)
International forces must recognise the Afghani’s as being part of the resolution towards stability. Therefore, the western forces need to depart immediately in order not to create another eight years of despair.
Consequently, there is not a single viable reason for British forces residing in Afghanistan. The only achievement that is possible is a swift departure, which will present an opportunity for the Afghan government to remove themselves from their indolent nature and restore their international standing.

Suddaf Chaudry
You (US & Uk) don't have a an answer to the Afghan question.
[info]maverick212 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 12:55 pm (UTC)
International forces must recognise the Afghani’s as being part of the resolution towards stability. Therefore, the western forces need to depart immediately in order not to create another eight years of despair.
Consequently, there is not a single viable reason for British forces residing in Afghanistan. The only achievement that is possible is a swift departure, which will present an opportunity for the Afghan government to remove themselves from their indolent nature and restore their international standing.
[info]fcbarca wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 02:45 pm (UTC)
Let's not forget that this current crooked government was once again, propped up by the good ole USA
Those in glass houses....
[info]chippychap wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 04:23 pm (UTC)
At least Karzai HAS elections.
Creepy Gordon has more in common with Robert Mugabe.
One is a despicable little despot and the other is an African leader
Never About Democracy
[info]neil639 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 05:28 pm (UTC)
This was never about Democracy, it was all about the installation of a puppet government who will dance when the US President pulls the strings (just like Blair and Brown do). The US has that in Karzai, but in getting him the claim for "democracy" has been well and truly demolished. I suspect there will now be a series of corrupt puppets before the US withdraws ignominiously from Afghanistan - see Vietnam for role model.
Russians been there, done that
[info]mycos wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 06:22 pm (UTC)
Recently released documents recording Soviet Politburo meetings reveal many of the same obstacles, missteps and unrealistic assessments by both military and political thinkers finally forcing them to withdraw in defeat. In fact the parallels are so numerous that it surely says something about the inability of authoritarian personalities to accurately predict how other people will react to events. It appears both ours and theirs cannot empathize with people who are different, expecting them to react to force, threats, enticements, in the same manner that they themselves would. Just one of the reasons the framers of the Constitution took pains to ensure that a civilian always has primary control of the military.

Anyhow: "Afghanistan did not fit into the mental maps and ideological constructs of the Soviet leaders. Their analysis of internal social processes in Afghanistan was done through the conceptual lens of Marxist-Leninist doctrine, which blinded the leadership to the realities of traditional tribal society. Believing that there was no single country in the world, which was not ripe for socialism, party ideologues like Mikhail Suslov and Boris Ponomarev saw Afghanistan as a ?second Mongolia.? Such conceptualization of the situation led to the attempts to impose alien social and economic practices on Afghan society, such as the forced land reform."

Sound familiar? Much more at the security archives: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB57/soviet.html
Time to Leave
[info]stickytruth2 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 06:25 pm (UTC)
Afghanistan is a no win situation, Their government is no different from any other one in this world.
Time to bring our troops home NOW.
Re: Time to Leave
[info]mycos wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 08:14 pm (UTC)
What REALLY needs to happen....altho this is definitely pie-in-the-sky dreaming....is for Americans to sit down, shake their heads, take a breathe, and ask themselves how it is possible for a nation that outlasted Red China, stared down and eventually defeated the combined Soviet Bloc armies with their satellite intelligence abilities, nuclear submarines, million-man standing armies with tactical nuke capabilities, and be able to do it all without resorting to any methods of the sort we said now for generations is the type of thing we stand as beacon against. BUT! Because a small band of low-tech, bicycle-riding, cave-jumping religious kooks got lucky with some plane tickets and a plan... suddenly they became elevated up to AND BEYOND the status of the combined nuclear armies just defeated in a planet-destroying confrontation known as the Cold War.

How - the - hell - on - earth did such a tremendously exaggerated reaction ever take place, not by the rightfully frightened civilians targeted by AQ, but the very people elected to make sure we don't do stupid things out of fear and/or inexperience in such matters?

How did AQ extremists become exaggerated into the "Muslim Holy Jihad" against all that's good and decent (as well as queering your children!) in America? How could a nation that won't even enact a health policy for itself become full of voices who quite honestly believe and warn others that Sharia Law will become the "law of the land!" if we turn our heads from them for only a split second?

In other words.... What The Fuck is going on!!??
Heroes and villains
[info]snickid wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 06:50 pm (UTC)
If there is a hero in Iraqi, it is Ayatollah Sistani, who:

1. Rejected the novel interpretation of Twelver Shiite Islam introduced by Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran that the clergy has ultimate authority over the state (vilayet-e faqih), and maintained the orthodox view that clergy should act as a moral counterweight to political power.

2. Rejected American attempts in 2003 to impose a neo-conservative-oriented constitution on Iraq, and insisted that democratic elections be held before a constitution was drawn up.

Muhammad Karzai was handpicked by the Bush administration because he was corrupt, and in the expectation that once in power he would grant contracts for mineral extraction and other activities to favoured US firms. It should be no surprise that Karzai in fact turned out to be corrupt (but less controllable that Bush, Cheney and the other crooks had originally imagined).
[info]mr_scummy wrote:
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 07:38 pm (UTC)

Unfortunately we in the UK are all too familiar with crooked, corrupt and discredited governments...

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