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More Britons than Americans died on Titanic 'because they queued'

By Kathy Marks

British passengers on the Titanic died in disproportionate numbers because they queued politely for lifeboats while Americans elbowed their way on, an Australian researcher believes.

David Savage, a behavioural economist at the Queensland University of Technology, studied four 20th-century maritime disasters to determine how people react in life and death situations. He concluded that, on the whole, behaviour is influenced by altruism and social norms, rather than a "survival of the fittest" mentality. However, on the Titanic he noted Americans were 8.5 per cent more likely to survive than other nationalities, while British passengers were 7 per cent less likely to survive.

"The only things I can put that down to are: there would have been very few Americans in steerage or third class; and the British tend to be very polite and queue." (The ship's first-class staterooms were closest to the lifeboat deck.)

Mr Savage said there were plenty of examples of gentlemanly conduct by British passengers and crew after the Titanic hit an iceberg during its maiden voyage in 1912.

The captain, Edward John Smith, shouted out: "Be British, boys, be British!" as the cruise liner went down, according to witnesses. One wealthy passenger, recognising he was doomed, donned a tuxedo and declared: "I'm going to go down well dressed."

More than 1,500 people died, the majority men, as women and children were taken off first. Women had a 51.7 per cent better chance of survival than men, according to Mr Savage's analysis, while women accompanied by children were 74 per cent better off.

"Ideally, you would have been a female with a child in first class," he said yesterday. The same principles prevailed a century on, during last week's crash landing of a plane on New York's Hudson River, he observed. Women and children were rescued first, and the pilot remained in the aircraft until he was sure all passengers were safely out. "We find the whole concept of mass panic – everyone looking after themselves – doesn't hold that strong," Mr Savage said.

It was different, however, during another disaster: the sinking of an Italian ocean liner, the Andrea Doria, following a collision with a Swedish ship in 1956. Although most people survived, some passengers complained the crew had been more concerned with getting themselves into lifeboats than rescuing others. Mr Savage believes self-interest is more likely to take over when people are not in family or social groups.

After the cruise liner Lusitania was torpedoed by a German U-boat off the coast of Ireland in 1915, it sank in 18 minutes. "There wasn't a lot of time for people to organise themselves into their social groups." But Mr Savage said he had no direct evidence that Americans on the Titanic were pushy or rude, "But a significantly higher number survived, and there's got to be a reason," he said.

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There's got to be a reason?
[info]cottonshirt wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 06:05 am (UTC)
"...and there's got to be a reason," he said.

Sorry to disappoint you Mr. Savage, but it is not required that there be a reason. The lottery numbers are drawn at random, but some weeks there are more even numbers than odd, no reason, there just are.
Women and children first: why?
[info]greenman999 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 07:56 am (UTC)
One more piece of evidence showing that men and women value women more than men. No doubt there's a genetic survival reason, but it does give the lie to the feminist thesis that women are second class in Western society.
pushy Americans
[info]lasvegasrich wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 08:16 pm (UTC)
I think the problem was that they told the passengers to queue up. If they had said line up, we Americans would have understood. Another comment I heard was that the ships officers on the port side would only let women and children in the lifeboats, while on the starboard side, after the women and children were seated in the lifeboats, they let men get into them as well. maybe there were more Americans were on the starboard side(or maybe not). It's all conjecture anyway. As far as the Andrea Doria, Italians don't have the same matitime tradition as the British, or Americans.
Yanks No Thanks
[info]proximaking wrote:
Wednesday, 21 January 2009 at 11:42 pm (UTC)
Last into the wars but first into the lifeboats. Sounds pretty much like the Yanks to me.
Just another good reason...
[info]josnyc wrote:
Thursday, 22 January 2009 at 12:24 am (UTC)
Yet another good reason not to queue when on a sinking ship. Not much consolation from the bottom, eh?
Really, Proximaking?
[info]jmchugh4 wrote:
Thursday, 22 January 2009 at 03:01 pm (UTC)
Perhaps you ought reread some history, including your own.
Absurd
[info]william1046 wrote:
Thursday, 22 January 2009 at 04:19 pm (UTC)
Unless I'm missing something, this article seems to be based on speculation and not evidence. Not to mention a gross misunderstanding of statistical analysis.
As a New Yorker...
[info]spence147 wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 03:27 am (UTC)
I think the surviving Americans had to be New Yorkers. I'll bet the researcher did not consider which state or city the survivors were from. We New Yorkers will usually not wait on line (or in line, or queue up) for anything except tickets to a Yankee World Series -- and even then...









[info]lostnbrainspace wrote:
Friday, 23 January 2009 at 11:51 am (UTC)
I was amused by lasvegasrich's response,

He said "I think the problem was that they told the passengers to queue up. If they had said line up, we Americans would have understood."

It could be as crazy as that - and it's all guesswork, nobody knows.
reason
[info]bbarron25 wrote:
Tuesday, 27 January 2009 at 03:21 am (UTC)
perhaps the reason the Americans were more likely to get out was their were fewer Americans LOCKED in steerage by the crew that was patiently 'lining up'. Obviously just a guess as I am but a simple American.

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