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Scientologists in France go on trial for fraud

By Thierry Leveque

The Church of Scientology in France went on trial today on charges of organised fraud.

Registered as a religion in the United States, with celebrity members such as actors Tom Cruise and John Travolta, Scientology enjoys no such legal protection in France and has faced repeated accusations of being a money-making cult.

The group's Paris headquarters and bookshop are defendants in the case. If found guilty, they could be fined €5 million ($7 million) and ordered to halt their activities in France.

Seven leading French Scientology members are also in the dock. Some are charged with illegally practising as pharmacists and face up to 10 years in prison and hefty fines.

The case centres on a complaint made in 1998 by a woman who said she was enrolled into Scientology after members approached her in the street and persuaded her to do a personality test.

In the following months, she paid more than €21,000 for books, "purification packs" of vitamins, sauna sessions and an "e-meter" to measure her spiritual progress, she said.

Other complaints then surfaced. The five original plaintiffs - three of whom withdrew after reaching a financial settlement with the Church of Scientology - said they spent up to hundreds of thousands of euros on similar tests and cures.

They told investigators that Scientology members harassed them with phone calls and nightly visits to cajole them into paying their bills or taking out bank loans. The plaintiffs were described as "vulnerable" by psychological experts in the case.

Scientology, founded in 1954 by science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard, describes the "e-meter" as a religious artefact that helps the user and supervisor locate spiritual distress.

Investigators have described the machine as useless and said vitamin cures handed out by Church members were medication that should not have been freely sold.

Judge Jean-Christophe Hullin ruled last year that the offices and members, including the group's 60-year-old French head, Alain Rosenberg, should be tried. The public prosecutor had recommended the case be shelved.

In a trial that has revived a debate about religious freedom in secular France, the defence is expected to argue the court should not intervene in religious affairs.

Scientology has faced numerous setbacks in France, with members convicted of fraud in Lyon in 1997 and Marseille in 1999. In 2002, a court fined it for violating privacy laws and said it could be dissolved if involved in similar cases.

The headquarters and bookshop account for most of the group's activities in France and a guilty verdict would in practice mean its dissolution, although it is unclear whether it could still open other branches in the future.

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But Scientology is really good for you!
[info]collin_brown wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 01:37 pm (UTC)
And scripture isn't a money making cult??
[info]collin_brown wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 01:40 pm (UTC)
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Video explanation below.

Copyright: Pat Condell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC69xFrQ-MM

Re: And scripture isn't a money making cult??
[info]john10_10 wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 07:43 pm (UTC)
"Freely (without pay) you have received, freely (without charge) give." Matthew 10v8

"I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance (to the full, till it overflows)." John 10v10

"He said to them, The Scripture says, My house shall be called a house of prayer; but you have made it a den of robbers." Matthew 21v13

To the church - "Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears and listens to me and heeds My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will eat with him and he will eat with Me." Revelations 3v20.

God isn't blind. He is the God who sees.





Re: And scripture isn't a money making cult?? - [info]collin_brown - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 09:50 pm (UTC) Expand
Yet France bends over for Islam?
[info]bpjam wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 02:04 pm (UTC)
Funny how the virtually entirely non-religious country of France has spend a generation trying to recruit Muslims to move there. Scientologists don't commit crimes againsts others, they don't blow up synagogues, they don't threaten to burn down buildings if you publish pictures of L Ron Hubbard, they don't hold protests in downtown Paris and shut down the streets and they don't treat women like cattle. And they don't appear to be killing or threatening to kill people or involving themselves in acts of terrorism in France or in any other country. But by all means, prosecute them and leave the Muslims alone (because Muslims would declare jihad on you if you put them on trial and the public would be threatened with suicide bombers).

So, yeah, this totally makes sense. No reason to listen to the Public Prosecutor who thinks this shouldn't even be a legal matter. Apparently, banning an entire religion over the complaints of five people is a logical action and a good use of public resources.

The real question should be: Should France even continue to exist? Can they really be trusted to run an actual country or should they be taken over by the Swiss or some other less arrogant and annoying country for the good of the rest of the EU.
Re: Yet France bends over for Islam?
[info]megalomania123 wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 03:04 pm (UTC)
"The real question should be: Should France even continue to exist? Can they really be trusted to run an actual country or should they be taken over by the Swiss or some other less arrogant and annoying country for the good of the rest of the EU."

ahahahahhahahahahaha. No obviously France shouldn't exist....moron.

Seriously though, Scientology is an exploitative joke of a cult and should be treated and referred to as such; good on the French for making a stand against these people and their "religion"; hopefully the rest of the world will see sense soon.
Re: Yet France bends over for Islam? - [info]crusaderiam - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 02:49 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Yet France bends over for Islam? - [info]hitch2 - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 10:32 am (UTC) Expand
status of scientology in france
[info]nijs1 wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 03:28 pm (UTC)
Whatever the RSG now calls itself thinks that the Anglican church is a cult....I suppose it only escapes prosecution because it does not infringe the pharmacists' monopoly be selling vitamins.
A Fraud
[info]zenbuckaroo wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 03:34 pm (UTC)
I once had an emeter hooked up to me on the street in Hollywood. I was told I wasn't 'clear'. If a court finds out Scientology is a fraud, will that mean I AM clear??
Re: A Fraud
[info]ajlennon wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 11:43 pm (UTC)

Transfer Euro 15K to my Paypal account and I'll administer the test again so you can be sure :)
RELIGION FOR THE MASSES
[info]aninsiderout wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 03:43 pm (UTC)
When we cannot understand who we are we become an open pathway for religion. Religion is mankind's attempt to create a god that pleases them. Man made gods aren't new. Mankind has been inventing gods for thousands of years. We should make a distinction between "worship" and "religion". Religion is mans attempt to make a god in his own image. Worship is either directed toward the created or the Creator. If indeed Scientology proves to be man worshiping the creation rather than the Creator than they are in the company of many of the so-called established religions. I believe the definition of religion is to subjective to be questioned. We look for life changing experiences and find them all around us in the form of man made religions. Perhaps the question we all should be asking ourselves is, does my life honor the creation or the Creator? Are my efforts at worship designed to acknowledge my own insignificance compared to the incomparable significance of the Creator? Until we are clear on just what religion is, we will not be clear on what it is not!
Re: RELIGION FOR THE MASSES
[info]jabredfish wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 05:18 pm (UTC)
If you give them enough money they will declare you clear.
e-meter? I love it.
[info]zedelity wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 04:15 pm (UTC)
I wonder if Travolta's kid would be alive, had he tossed the e-meter and sought medical attention.
Re: e-meter? I love it.
[info]bachsitis wrote:
Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 12:25 pm (UTC)
You still believe in psychotherapy? YOU need Scientology!
Re: e-meter? I love it. - [info]dobiez1 - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 07:43 pm (UTC) Expand
Fraud
[info]hapman22 wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 04:33 pm (UTC)
When do they plan on putting Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc, etc, etc, on trial as well. All religion is fraud. Greatest con ever put out on man. "Do good now, give me money, and when you die, I'll pay you back!!"

What a joke. Religion has long outlasted it's use. Any adult who actually still believes in gods and spirits, miracles, etc., needs to seriously consider psycho-therapy.

Do you still believe in Santa Clause, too?

Re: Fraud
[info]heeheehee3 wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 04:47 pm (UTC)
hapman, if the seat of wisdom is the fear of God, are you a wise man or a fool?
Re: Fraud - [info]rexxxxxxxx - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 10:38 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Fraud - [info]heeheehee3 - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 11:08 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Fraud - [info]rexxxxxxxx - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 11:33 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Fraud - [info]heeheehee3 - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 03:47 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Fraud - [info]abs1978 - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 05:29 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Fraud - [info]heeheehee3 - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 09:58 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Fraud - [info]crusaderiam - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 03:50 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Fraud - [info]seetruthnolies - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 05:41 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Fraud - [info]indiedogg - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 10:29 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Fraud - [info]denbundy36 - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 12:06 pm (UTC) Expand
Scientologists
[info]jabredfish wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 05:12 pm (UTC)
In my very humble opinion Scientologists are no more than a money grubbing fraud cult.
Like the UK BUTTHE FANCO WAY
[info]famulla wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 05:14 pm (UTC)
I am a thief. Do you mind? After making money they call me I am very wise. Moreover, full of courage. Brave taking risks, clever to make money and not to be caught. That is France after 1979. When Ayatollah Khomeini liberated the Iran. Now they have many Muslims. Is that clever.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Re: Like the UK BUTTHE FANCO WAY
[info]rexxxxxxxx wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 11:26 pm (UTC)
still can't work out if you are very clever or insane.

Whichever it is I find your words intriguing
Re: Like the UK BUTTHE FANCO WAY - [info]famulla - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 02:41 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Like the UK BUT THE FANCO WAY - [info]famulla - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 02:44 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Like the UK BUT THE FANCO WAY - [info]famulla - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 05:08 am (UTC) Expand
[info]jabredfish wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 05:16 pm (UTC)
It is a garbage cult whose only god is money.
sciencecrackology
[info]cornian73 wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 06:06 pm (UTC)
Start with scientology and then go after every other organized religion
Re: sciencecrackology
[info]tampatombo wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 06:56 pm (UTC)
Start first with the biggest fraudulent religion: Global Climate change !! They make the Scientologists look like "street panhandlers" only collecting a few lousy $M's or Millions of EUROs.

The "Climate Change" folks demand Trillions of EUROs to fix mother nature. Actually, their religion is all about the destruction of our world economy so we can return to being "hunters and gatherers" farming with pointed sticks and eating rotten food.
Re: sciencecrackology - [info]abs1978 - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 05:31 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: sciencecrackology - [info]poppty - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 05:47 pm (UTC) Expand
Science Fictiontology
[info]binthere222 wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 06:18 pm (UTC)
L Ron Hubbard was a good science fiction writer. Read some of his stuff.

He was inspired by the space age and UFO speculation. Nothing wrong with that.

But extending that into a religion is like me charging you $$$ to look at the virgin mary in my tortilla.

Hubbard's followers-on have taken the imperfections in psychotherapy and introduced the memes which Hubbard initiated. At this time Scientology is just another ropes course which has turned itself into a trade association. When they go about distributing nutritional supplements and e-grams as supplements, that qualifies as criminal.
before you condemn.....
[info]dancouver wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 06:59 pm (UTC)
Consider the possibility of fighting the taleban with a group of volunteers with e-meters, and fascinating Hubbard literature being dropped on key targets in Tora Bora and the Swat Valley.
Re: before you condemn.....
[info]rexxxxxxxx wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 10:53 pm (UTC)
Muslims would decapitate you if you tried that
Re: before you condemn..... - [info]dancouver - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 11:33 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: before you condemn..... - [info]rexxxxxxxx - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 11:50 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: before you condemn..... - [info]rexxxxxxxx - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 11:54 pm (UTC) Expand
Same as all other religions
[info]apeist wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 07:03 pm (UTC)
No different than any other religion.

They all collect money from the stupid, whether for vitamins, or for indulgences.

Don't see why Scientology should be treated differently.
Re: Same as all other religions
[info]crusaderiam wrote:
Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 03:06 am (UTC)
Apeist wrote:

"All religions collect money from the stupid (here is where the rest of us are to assume that apeist was a child prodigy who grew to be a noble peace prize winning physicist) and continues ; " whether for vitamins, or for indulgences".

Well that certainly was profound. Ron Howard could'nt have said it better himself. But if your reference to the medieval practice of the Catholic Church is any indication of your acumen, you'd better get yourself back into school. Indulgences- the kind you are referring to- died with Martin Luther.
What you know about religion can literally be balanced upon the head of a sewing needle, of this I'd wager my soul, It is the hypocrisy of Man that alientates him from Faith not vice versa ,nitwit.
Re: Same as all other religions - [info]apeist - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 06:06 am (UTC) Expand
What nonsense... - [info]abs1978 - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 05:32 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Same as all other religions - [info]ebmasloff - Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 03:11 am (UTC) Expand
Gabrielle
[info]thenightscribe wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 07:05 pm (UTC)
Xenu is not pleased. We're all screwed.
[info]stuartmilan wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 07:15 pm (UTC)
Scientology's not a religion, it's a business model
The weak and the vulnerable
[info]john10_10 wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 07:32 pm (UTC)
Anyone that preys on the weak and the vulnerable and sells them the hope of happiness should face the legal consequences of fraud and more besides. The devastated lives left behind, broken families and relationships that may never be repaired at whatever cost.... This is a cult that isolates, manipulates, lies, controls and destroys precious individuals who are desperate for help. Sometimes the only friends that stick are the scientologists that religiously phone, visit and take your money. Shame on all of us for not being there.




Scientology is neither science nor religion, just a con
[info]merdencore wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 08:34 pm (UTC)
My first girlfriend got hoovered up by the scientology mob. She took her parents' credit card to pay for the expensive courses. A year later I could hardly believe it was the same person. She was completely brainwashed (brain-dead?). Not me, nor any of her former close friends could influence her, she was basically lost to society, including to her family. It is a tragic loss when some vulnerable person gets infected by the lies of this so-called church. It is the ultimate pyramid society, with the money spiralling up to the top while the people down the bottom get further into debt and have to work for the "church" (recruiting members, etc) to pay off the debts for the endless scientology courses that they need to become "cleared". About time the world exorcised this loathsome, heathen mob.
another money making cult
[info]tonyloaf wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 08:55 pm (UTC)
If being a money making cult and practicing phony science is a criminal activity Al Gore and his global warming disciples better stay out of France.
Religous bigotry
[info]bigmind2 wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 11:12 pm (UTC)
Scientology, as with many small religions, have faced religious bigotry in France and Germany for many years. If you are an established religion, you are safe at this point in time --regardless of many practices that others would consider bizarre (circumcision, for example, also known as genital mutilation). Thus, established religions often join in the push of governments to get rid of institutions competing for their members. But at some point, they will find the government also severely restricting themselves and they will wonder how they got to this point.
Re: Religous bigotry
[info]hankreardon77 wrote:
Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 12:19 am (UTC)
I think it's obvious that Scientology is a fraud. Most other religions are typically not nearly as suffocating. There's plenty of room especially in Christianity and Judaism to practice the variation of your choice. Practice of Islam would depend much more on geographical location than for Judaism and Christianity. I wouldn't say there is any con in those religions in that someone is conning you out of money. In the US, you're pretty free to give what you would like. If you're not happy with the pressure, than you can find some other variation. Fraternities and sororities are also a bit of a con, too. There's a lot of focus on recruitment, paying dues, not letting you out after you are in, because they want you pitiful 200 a year. And, some of them haze pretty horrifically.
Go France!
[info]tessandrafae wrote:
Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 02:31 am (UTC)
Man, I wish USA was more secular. So much grief, suffering, and pain could be avoided if we could put certain religions on trial.
SHOW ME THE PLACE IN THE BIBLE WHERE IT SAYS
[info]ebmasloff wrote:
Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 02:51 am (UTC)
MARTIN LUTHER WOULD SAY, SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS FOR ME TO DO THIS IN THE BIBLE?> FANTICS, HERITICS, CULTISTS, SHOW ME WHERE GOD SAYS, TO PAY FOR THE HEALTH, WHERE IT SAYS-- GIVE MONEY TO ANYONE FOR ANYTHING---

IT IS CLEAR-- AND NO ONE CAN BOAST
Scientology?
[info]ebmasloff wrote:
Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 03:03 am (UTC)
Everyday, in the USA crackpots are selling diet pills that kill, the FDA approves sugar replacements that change your DNA to stop your digestion and ruin your health, smoking kills but its got so many taxes for eduacation and health bills its practically funding our childrens education,alcohol is pure poisen, but hey everyone does it so it must be cool, Marijuana is either a delusional death wish, or a private pain killer, the US Government is hiding the facts that they are changing the word Organic to be illegal, by making it virtually impossible to grow food without embedded toxic pesticides and altered genetic foods. When the oceans are dead, and the water is all toxic, when the dirt is so full of garbage and the sky is dark, we wont have time to be sorry, we will surely find new ways to pollute the universe, and the meek shall inherit the earth. Sooner or later, it will all have to end, believers know this, so why even take vitamins ?

One trial, one more cult , its easy to idealize when its us and them, too bad we cant say, one world, one ocean, and just one place to live.

fraud
[info]headtinkler wrote:
Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 03:44 am (UTC)
Scientology is a new "cult" like the Jim Jones cult that killed so many people several years ago...........they may have elements of what Jesus Christ taught when her was here on earth, but they distort the original `10 Commandments.
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