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Why are so many France Telecom workers dying?

In the past 19 months, 24 workers have committed suicide. Shocking? Not when compared to previous years' totals.

By John Lichfield and Alexandra Mauviel

A 53-year-old white-collar worker talks about her attempt to take her own life

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A 53-year-old white-collar worker talks about her attempt to take her own life

Some of the employees of France Telecom – which operates the "Orange" brand in France – have seen the future. It is black and comfortless. The latest person to come to that view was a 51-year-old father of two employed in an Orange call centre who threw himself from a motorway bridge near Annecy on Monday. His death brought the number of France Telecom employees who have committed suicide in the past 19 months to 24.

Trades union leaders blame the allegedly brutal management culture of a company which has transformed itself over a decade from a ponderous state utility to a leading telecommunications enterprise.

For months, the France Telecom management has dismissed the suicides as a contagious "fad" among its workforce. Its chief executive and president, Didier Lombard, admitted yesterday that he had "made mistakes, which has increased the stress on my employees".

The suicides are disturbing because they are, on one level, a modern plague with implications well beyond France. The number of suicides, especially work-related suicides, has been increasing in almost all developed nations.

The France Telecom victims have mostly been previously well-adjusted people in their 40s and 50s whose familiar working lives have been turned upside down by the triumph of the mobile telephone and the internet. Tens of thousands of France Telecom workers were once needed to deal with physical repair or installation work on land lines. Others dealt with familiar business clients. Frequently, they worked in teams.

The decline of land lines and the transformation of France Telecom into a successful mobile phone and internet provider has abolished the need for many of these jobs. But the employees remain.

Long-standing telecoms workers retain the protected status of French public servants. France Telecom cannot easily make them redundant. Instead, the company, which was spun-off in 1996 and became majority private-owned in 2004, is accused of adopting "bullying" tactics to "encourage" unwanted workers to leave the company. Many of the employees have been pitched overnight into faceless, high-pressure call-centres, where they are expected to compete for results against the person sitting in the next booth.

However, the alleged "epidemic" of telecoms suicides should also be placed in a wider context. France – the country of savoir vivre, whose President would like national "happiness" to be measured and included in a new international yardstick of political achievement – has a higher suicide rate than almost all other large, developed nations. Its rate of work-related suicides, up to 400 a year, is one of the highest in the world.

Some sociologists suggest a nation which sees personal contentment as a right is more likely to plunge into depression if disappointed. France also has one of the world's highest consumption of anti-depressants.

The 24 suicides among the 100,000 France Telecom employees since February last year is high but less than the overall French average (17.6 suicides a year for every 100,000 people, compared to 6.8 in Britain).

The suicide rate in France Telecom is, in fact, falling. It was higher six or seven years ago but received little publicity. There were 29 suicides among France Telecom employees in 2002, 22 in 2003, 12 in 2008 and 12 so far this year.

Some employees defend their company and suggest that publicity about a "suicide epidemic" has been generated by trades unions in an attempt to de-rail the company's restructuring programme. "These people should try working in a computer start-up company," said Michel, a France Telecom employee since 1998.

"France Telecom is idyllic by comparison. To suggest that the work conditions incite people to commit suicide verges on the indecent. Hundreds of thousands of people on the dole would love to have such jobs."

Jean-Paul Rouannet, 51, would presumably have begged to disagree. On Monday he threw himself from a bridge over a motorway. He left a suicide note for his wife and two children, aged 12 and eight, which said that the "conditions at work" had forced him to take his life.

Mr Rouannet used to work in a France Telecom agency which dealt with large business clients. Six months ago he was transferred, without any choice, to a "reactive call centre" in Annecy where he dealt with customers' problems and complaints but was also expected to chat them up to persuade them to buy new France Telecom services. A friend, Danièle Rochet, said: "He could not cope with the stress of having to meet targets ... He should not have been just abandoned like that, without personal guidance."

Many – but not all – of the other 23 France Telecom employees who have taken their lives in the past 19 months had also been transferred from manual or managerial work to Orange call centres. In some cases, they had to "cold-call" potential customers; in others they were under pressure to sell additional goods or services to customers who rang in with questions or problems.

Olivier Dunand is a delegate of the moderate CFDT trades-union federation on the Comité d'Entreprise, or works council, of France Telecom. He says many employees are being pushed into unsuitable work to try to "break their health" or encourage them to leave the company. "Many people don't want to go into direct sales," he told The Independent yesterday. "It's a difficult adjustment to make, especially for older people, and you have to remember the average age at France Telecom is 48."

Each call centre had about 150 employees in an open-plan office, he said. There was a manager for every 10 or 12 people. "Everything the employee does is counted: when he or she goes to the toilet; when he eats; when he smokes a cigarette. The workers are even made to wear wi-fi ear and mouth pieces so they can deal with calls during their breaks."

Patrice Diochet, the France Telecom representative of the CFDT trades-union federation, said that despite promises made to the government after the 23rd suicide this month, nothing had been done to ease the pressure on employees at the Annecy call centre. "Results were all that counted," he said. "The workers were treated like cattle. When they failed to meet their targets, they were punished or screamed at."

Market-oriented economists argue that unhappy France Telecom employees are victims, in part, of their public servant, job-for-life status. In another company, or another country, they would have been obliged to take redundancy and, possibly, find more suitable work. As it is, France Telecom does offer subsidies and training to employees who want to leave – 22,000 people have left the company in the past four years.

Mr Lombard – who was booed and pelted with rubbish when he visited the Annecy call centre on Monday – has suspended all job transfers and promised to employ more personal counsellors for his workers. He insists the poor France Telecom suicide record – which goes back at least seven years – is "partly a question of contagion". But in trying to impose a culture of risk and uncertainty on employees trained in a public-service culture, he admits he went too far.

'This is one suicide too many'

The employee: Anne-Marie, 57

Like Jean-Paul Rouannet, who committed suicide on Monday, Anne-Marie works at the France Telecom Annecy call centre.

"They sent me here in June. I had no choice. My old job [dealing with business clients] was abolished. After six weeks' training, I was declared ready to start.

"My job is to sell more and more stuff, new services, to clients who ring up with some kind of problem. I am supposed to be obsessed with making more and more money on commission but it doesn't interest me. I just do what I can.

"Apart from the occasional break, I spend the whole day with earphones on my head. Some clients are cruel. They say, 'Are you going to be just like the others? Are you going to commit suicide too?'

"My colleague's death will change nothing. For Didier Lombard [the CEO of France Telecom], we are just pawns. We mean nothing. He says that we are just suicide fashion victims, copying one another. But things cannot go on like this. It is one suicide too many."

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And where is Sarkozy?
[info]violetsmart wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 01:41 am (UTC)
Having fun? It's incredible that Telecom should be able to get away with murder. Where are the authorities?
Re: And where is Sarkozy?
[info]stanleycorbett wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 11:10 am (UTC)
Psycho Sarko is busy picking on their former colony Algeria for not shopping from them!
Re: And where is Sarkozy?
[info]leschwartz wrote:
Thursday, 1 October 2009 at 12:36 pm (UTC)
Good points. And it is important to realize that the deep recession the US finds itself in is in part due to "offshoring".

Unemployed people do not buy things, even really cheap things from China. So "offshoring" may result in a near term increased profit and a longer term decline.

In the US 3.5 million now live in tent cities. Even Obama has the audacity to tell people jobs will not be returning to the US. So do these maggots think they can rebuild the US economy on their Wall Street funny paper fictitious investments that no one in the world wants anymore? The "notional value" of derivatives still carried on the books of US banks is thousands of times grater than world GDP, and these fraudsters refuse to give up these forms of "investment" which in fact are no better than casino gambling.

Offshoring is destroying the US market for goods and services, and export driven economies can not depend on exporting to a nation of unemployed, deeply in debt ex-consumers.

On the topic of this story, employees should not be driven into taking jobs where they are not suited, rather, employment should be related to individual personalities, work preferences. So long as people are not driven into unemployment, cross company placement into appropriate positions should be found.

Which poison do you prefer?
[info]richard_hode wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 04:30 am (UTC)
In America they don't bother to torment the employees, but simply get rid of them. A large insurance company in my town recently booted out hundreds of technicians, analysts, programmers, etc. and farmed everything out to a pirate consulting company from India. So now the work is done "offshore," as they like to refer to it, at a far lower cost to the employer.

In my opinion, this is criminal conduct on the part of the companies. One cannot really blame the Indians who simply take advantage of the predatory capitalism that is practiced in America. It is American business, including the investors, who are the traitors who sell their fellow citizens' work to foreigners for profit, not minding the dislocation and destruction of others' lives in order to "earn" their immoral and treasonous money. And we cannot do anything about this because of the corrupt American political system that is set up to favor the business-traitors.
Battery hens
[info]solcreciente wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 06:05 am (UTC)
I would like to know what suicide and depression rates are for those who work in call centres generally. These poor people often take such jobs because they can't find other work. But it is the human equivalent of being a battery hen. A totally unnatural condition, incredibly monotonous. A real brain killer. I find the growth of call centres as opposed to genuine customer service departments in companies as bizarre anyway. We all complain about the treatment by call centres but companies have abandoned good customer service for higher profits. I have no doubt in years to come they will be reviled as seeds of depression and anti-social behaviour. Almost all people I know who work in one have become serious binge drinkers, getting blasted to forget. In many cases their diets go to pot to pay for the drink and drugs.
[info]doug_piranha wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 07:54 am (UTC)
eat - sleep - work - die
dreadful
[info]misterbull wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 08:01 am (UTC)
TO DESCRIBE SUICIDES AS A 'FAD' IS DREADFUL. THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF ATTITUDE THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THESE DEATHS. AGGRESSIVE MARKETING TECHNIQUES CLEARLY MAKE THE PERSON HAVING TO DO IT UNEASY AND UNHAPPY. WHAT SORT OF PSYCHOLOGY IS IT THAT WHEN SOMEONE CALLS TO COMPLAIN, THEY ARE BEING 'SOLD' NEW PRODUCTS AND SERVICES ? A LISTENING EAR VERY QUICKLY BECOMES A HARD SELLER. NOT VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE COMPLAINANT. HOW MANY SUICIDES HAVE THERE BEEN AMONG THE HIGHEST PEOPLE, SHAREHOLDERS, EXECUTIVES ETC.. ???
WHILE THEY CONTINUE TO LIVE OFF THE FAT OF THE LAND, THE PEOPLE WHO HELP MAKE THEM THEIR MONEY ARE TREATED THIS WAY. FRANCE AND ESPECIALLY FRANCE TELECOM SHOULD BE ASHAMED.
TO SAY THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD WILLINGLY TAKE THOSE JOBS SOUNDS LIKE THATCHER. DRIVE WELL PAID PEOPLE OUT OF WORK WITH THE THREAT OF REPLACING THEM WITH SOME EVEN MORE DESPERATE PERSON. THE RICH CREATE THIS SITUATION TO EXPLOIT WORKERS.
Why are so many France Telecom workers dying?
[info]mannewdan wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 08:06 am (UTC)
This is extremely sad, and definitely an extreme result of very bad top management.

I suspect that the suicide rate may well be even higher with the France telecom contractors. It would be very useful to know the comparison.

In any event this is a clear green light for the European Union to investigate and determine what EU directives have been broken. As I am definately sure many have.
A cacooned population
[info]tallise wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 08:24 am (UTC)
The French are brought up in a way which makes them unable to deal with stress. They expect all problems to be solved by 'them', and successive governments of whichever party do nothing to counter this approach. Moreover, industrial relations, 'them' (them again!) and 'us', attitudes, in both public and private sectors, are not far off those of Britain in the 19th century.
Headline vs story
[info]had_it wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 08:25 am (UTC)
Contrary to the headline, the article says
1) France Telecom's suicide rate is lower than the French norm
2) France Telecom's suicide rate is falling

Shouldn't the article ask why so few are dying? That is, what is France Telecom doing right that it's suicide rate is low and falling when compared to the nation as a whole?
Every Cloud has a Silver Lining
[info]flacksteen wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 08:42 am (UTC)
Richard Hode

Aren't you glad that hundreds, if not thousands, of Indians are lifted out of poverty by this enlightened move on the part of American capitalists?
Re: Every Cloud has a Silver Lining
[info]fastguyeddie wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 09:33 am (UTC)
Ah but there not are they - India's record on upward mobility is non-existant; any country that has the cheek to take western development grants from countries that can't afford a space program to match theirs; whilst over half the country remains illiterate is not being run by and for the people ... but then again where is?
Re: Every Cloud has a Silver Lining
[info]contrastcolour wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 10:15 am (UTC)
And anyway, say you've got a company that is a "Pittsburgh" (or wherever) company: they started there; they've always been based there.

Just how wrong is it for that company to still pretend that they are still a local Pittsburgh firm when their analysts and data people are based in a programming sweatshop in India, their HR department (such as it is even required, though HR bastards always seem to worm their way in whether needed or not) is contracted from a little boutique consultancy base in Manhattan, and all their sales teams and marketing is done on an ad-hoc contract basis (probably paying way over what some in-house people with some experience and common sense could provide better and cheaper)?

Well, whatever... The continuing fragmentation of society, until nobody is left with a real "home" or any stability in work OR personal life because they're now just consumable/expendable pieces of an economy that only sees them as a (you guessed it) "human resource".
Re: Every Cloud has a Silver Lining
[info]richard_hode wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 12:04 pm (UTC)
No.
strange cultural toxic mlenage......
[info]nicholson007 wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 09:37 am (UTC)
1. The interesting employment details here is that none of the privateised phone companies can get rid of their previous state employed staff because of the power of the unions in France - so the existential crisis is not one of being disguarded to poverty or unemployment by the state but being incarcerated without any choice in a work environment.
Now add that to a gaelic propensity towards provincial conservative Catholicism and the non-Anglo Saxon exposure to philosphical ideas from a young age (The French teach all the major philisophical ideas to it's children from a young age where as the Anglo - Saxon axis has traditionally been suspicious of such knowledge and not included it in it's school's ciriculum.)
What you have is a thinking person saddled with a sense of personal guilt who is guaranteed rights to employment and pension for life so long as they do the job they are given. It's an odd kind of trade off - a kind of old school nanny state - big brother nirvana...with the risk od dispair and suicide.

Work place stress
[info]peersrogue wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 10:31 am (UTC)
I had the dubious pleasure of working in call centres at one time to keep food on the table. Some customers talk to you as if you were s**t on their shoes. We are working for companies that do not want to spend money reimbursing, mending or exhanging their goods. Hello! read the fine print, warranties, guarantees etc and write to the MD if you want to be rude. He's paid huge amounts more than the person on the phone. I did not make the rules but I had to abide by them.

Yes, I often found my self esteem so low that I felt I would either top myself or walk out. I walked out and never regretted it. I can well imagine those poor people having to deal with one snotty customer too many .........
Fire the unneeded
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 11:08 am (UTC)
There is a simple way to end this. Allow France Telecom to fire their surplus employees, so they don't need to force them to resign or commit suicide. Simple really.
Get real
[info]over325one wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 11:42 am (UTC)
Made in China and India - Western capitalistic suicide. I never buy anything made in these eastern slave and sweat shops.
Reason to work at FT
[info]seanrcarter wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 12:35 pm (UTC)
This seems like a non-story; if the suicide rate for FT workers is lower than the national average, this suggests that you can improve your chances of not committing suicide if you go to work there. What a great advert!
Why their unions don't act?
[info]baruchv wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 07:13 pm (UTC)
As far as I know, France didn't have Thacher to brake its workers unions. Maybe they could try a strike, instead of jumping off bridges.
Deplorable
[info]techstuf wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 08:51 pm (UTC)
Who knows, maybe France will get a break, and 'Didier' will see the error of his ways, step up and be honorable, and commit seppuku, himself.

God help all cwhoreporate minions everywhere.


[info]chriswol wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 08:52 pm (UTC)
All I can say is that France Telecom is a truly awful company to have a phone contract with, incredibly backward - its not as if they are investing anything in the products which are very 1980's - the service is also about 20 yrs out of dates. Avoid if you can.
Why France?
[info]peterahunter wrote:
Thursday, 1 October 2009 at 08:36 am (UTC)
In most countries where there is a deal of protection for the employees there has developed similar management strategies to ramp up the pressure on employees, to make life so uncomfortable for them that they leave. This avoids having to make redundancy payments and the costly nightmare of sacking them.

In the UK a popular variation is changing job descriptions then making all the current employees re apply for the new jobs. Everybody knows that there are not enough new jobs to employ everybody but the application and interview process is so stressful that management expect to lose enough people so that they will not have to go through the process of making anyone redundant.

Two years ago a leading management college in the UK tried the same thing, except that knowing exactly what management were trying to do the academic staff all went to other colleges and found themselves new jobs, but none of them told the college that was making them re apply. so nobody actually left.

The college were therefore forced to go through the redundancy process to achieve the cuts they wouldn't have to make. Redundancy and severance payments were made, tribunal cases were started and the college was forced to embark upon the whole expensive administrative mess.

When the appointees for the new positions were announced the college were very surprised at the low percentage take up of the new positions and they also found that after the new posts were announced many of the staff who had retained their old positions also left.

There is no easy answer when management apply this sort of pressure to the individual but knowing why they do it, to achieve their own short term financial goals, gives the individual the option of fighting back by frustrating those goals.

If management think that they can get away with behaving like this then they will, if like the management college they get burned then they will think hard before they do it again.

Peter A Hunter
www.breakingthemould.co.uk
Re: Why France?
[info]baruchv wrote:
Thursday, 1 October 2009 at 05:36 pm (UTC)
An interesting story, but the academic staff easily finding new jobs in other places, just to show how the management was messing up, seems to be just a too good outcome for our difficult times of depression. Anyway, the stress of finding a new place isn't trivial at any times, and the college will not have much trouble to find new academic stuff, replacing those who left. So, it doesn't look a great victory for either side
Re: Why France?
[info]peterahunter wrote:
Friday, 2 October 2009 at 07:09 am (UTC)
The victory was not in finding new jobs, that is always traumatic. The victory was in frustrating the goal of the management strategy which was to have achieved redundancies without paying the people who left.
Peter A Hunter
www.breakingthemould.co.uk
Re: Why France?
[info]baruchv wrote:
Friday, 2 October 2009 at 09:05 am (UTC)
Is it possible that the same victory could have been achieved by staff just doing nothing, and then getting severance payments etc? Only difference - hunting for jobs afterwards.
A small advantage here - avoiding the extra stess of simultaneously fighting on two fronts, and, possibly, getting a better chance of finding a new job, later, towards the end of recession, rather than at its midst.
Re: Why France?
[info]peterahunter wrote:
Saturday, 3 October 2009 at 03:53 pm (UTC)
Staying and doing nothing is the action that creates the levels of stress that force employees to jump off bridges.
Management know that people can't tolerate that level of stress, that is why they do it.

Giving employees an understanding of what management are trying to do is small comfort but it allows them to bear the stress because they know that they are frustrating management.

Most destructive behaviour in industry is caused the same way.
Intrusive directive management trying to force their wills on the workforce create exactly the same destructive response from the workforce.
The workforce are then blamed by management for their destructive behaviour, which was actually caused by the destructive behaviour of management.

Peter A Hunter
www.breakingthemould.co.uk
Re: Why France?
[info]baruchv wrote:
Sunday, 4 October 2009 at 08:16 am (UTC)
If the game is based on employees losing their nerve, quitting, even before management employs all of its planned tricks, then, the best tactic would be just holding strong, and it doesn't really matter at what point employess may start looking for jobs outside the organization. Just don't run away, leaving without compensation, as it is exactly what the management wants you to do.
It is a bit like a card game - if you aren't very "squizable", so to speak, you might see your opponent reconsidering his position.
The reorganization in France Telecom was well known, and practiced, with reallocations, transferring workers to call centers with their targets, etc. The stress here isn't because of the lack of knowledge of what management are trying to do. It is because of the lack of choice.
My original point here was about trade unions. I see no substitute for a legal counter-force to management. How else one can stand against slave-driving practices. Not everywhere, and not everytime one can easily find enough friendly organizations to offer you a great job, instead of the one you have.
Is it just a coincidence that, "France has one of the lowest union densities in Europe, with only about 10% of the workers belonging to unions." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_unions_in_Europe ) ?
French telecom workers committing suicide
[info]lupina39 wrote:
Thursday, 1 October 2009 at 02:40 pm (UTC)
I used to look to France as being a progressive country only to find out it is more like the United Stsates in its idea of work.

I was saddened to read about those poor people driven to the Orwellian brink just like we are here in the States. If France is trying to get rid of the middle class too, Sarkovsky's doing a fine job of it.

Karen E. Hetherington
Wisdom```
[info]thinkdiffrently wrote:
Saturday, 3 October 2009 at 06:15 am (UTC)
No matter how much MONEY they can give you, they can't give you the knowledge or the wisdom, to become spiritual and seek higher education it's not all about money, curse the leopards who try to blame the UPPER LEVEL management for doing what they are told to do, the law of the jungle does not seek sympathy, it does seek continuous ways to empathize with our fellow man, and that means don't stab your fellow man in the back when things go wrong in your life, PEOPLE HONESTLY don't know that they are from the HOLY FATHER, and when you stop being a VICTIM and looking for the PRESS to save them, remember only YOU can surrender your RIGHT'S, YOUR LIFE, like smoky the bear always told me as a kid, i keep this motto close to me still, ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT FORREST FIRES! P.S. WELL DONE, INCREASED PRODUCTION MEANS, INCREASING KNOWLEDGE, My Corporation and I SHONDALE CHATMAN Inc. support Telecom..
[info]marcokrk1 wrote:
Saturday, 3 October 2009 at 10:24 pm (UTC)
*Every* suicide is one too many. However, whilst I have been suicidal myself, it was not work-related, and I find it difficult to believe that people, in a developed country at least, would commit suicide rather than resign and begin frantically looking for a change of job. I must admit the possibility has entered my mind that some people may commit suicide for reasons other than their job and use the job as a convenient 'cover'. Though I must say, from what I have read in this article, certain conditions of work at FT are unacceptable, indecent. And there is of course the problem, not exclusive to FT or to France, of a company not needing employees but being hard-pressed to let them go.

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