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Israeli elections: Be afraid. Be very afraid

Donald Macintyre reports from Jerusalem on an election campaign that is still too close to call, but one with ominous portents

Benjamin Netanyahu and Likud look likely to come out on top in Tuesday's election

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Benjamin Netanyahu and Likud look likely to come out on top in Tuesday's election

Israel's Foreign Minister, Tzipi Livni, last night launched a concerted final effort to become her nation's first woman leader since Golda Meir, despite the rightwards shift in public opinion that has threatened to propel Benjamin Netanyahu back into the premiership.

The leader of the centrist Kadima party, who began the closing stages of her campaign with a rally for Druze Arab voters in Galilee last night, issued a direct personal challenge to Mr Netanyahu to agree to the television debate which he has consistently refused.

As polls showing the lead of Mr Netanyahu's right-wing Likud party has narrowed to only two seats ahead of Kadima, Ms Livni's campaign team believes she can overtake her rival by the time Israel goes to the polls on Tuesday.

Mr Netanyahu has emphasised the threats from Hamas and a nuclear Iran in his campaign.

Ms Livni, who strongly supported the recent invasion of Gaza, but has pledged to continue talks on a two-state solution with the moderate West Bank Palestinian leadership, said there was a public demand from potential leaders "to specify with which policies they plan to cope with the threats, and lead [Israel] to a better future of peace and quiet". Meanwhile the outgoing Kadima premier, Ehud Olmert, was making what the Defence Minister, Ehud Barak, said were "supreme efforts" to leave a positive legacy by securing the release of Gilad Shalit, the army corporal seized by Gaza militants in 2006, before polling day.

Turkish TV reported on Friday that Turkish officials were holding talks in Damascus with exiled leaders of Hamas, which has been seeking a large-scale release of Palestinian prisoners in return.

At the same time Mr Barak, Labour's prime ministerial candidate, told Channel 1 TV that Cpl Shalit was known to be "well, alive, breathing and OK".

He added: "You know that I am a fierce critic of the Prime Minister, but in these matters, in these days, he is making a great effort, as am I ... in order to expedite the process." Whether the formidable obstacles to securing the release can be overcome remains to be seen, however.

A Hamas official, Osama al-Muzaini, said talks on the issue had so far made little progress because Israel "remained unwilling to pay the price".

While Mr Barak warned the release of Cpl Shalit would require "painful decisions" – presumably on a prisoner exchange – the electoral effect, if it happened, would probably be to help Labour and Kadima at the expense of Likud and the increasingly popular Yisrael Beiteinu, led by the hard-right Avigdor Lieberman.

According to the polls, the main features of a relatively lacklustre election so far have been the Likud comeback under Mr Netanyahu from its three-decade low of just 12 Knesset seats in the 2006 election, and the seemingly relentless rise of Mr Lieberman, who could yet prove the kingmaker in forming a coalition after Tuesday.

Polls published on Friday – the last allowed before election day – showed Likud with 25 to 27 seats, just ahead of Kadima, with 23 to 25. Mr Lieberman's party with 18 or 19, which, if fulfilled in actual voting, would push the once-dominant Labour Party into fourth place.

Most analysts think the rightward shift has resulted from a combination of two factors. One is Hamas's continued control of Gaza. The other is the stillbirth of the centrist programme under Mr Olmert of withdrawing from settlements and negotiating a peace deal with the moderate Palestinian leadership. This was envisaged at the international Annapolis summit sponsored by President George Bush at the end of 2007.

The change also reflects the widespread popularity among mainstream Israelis – despite the Palestinian death toll of more than 1,200 – of the three-week onslaught on Gaza. This had long been urged by Mr Netanyahu.

Mr Lieberman, a harshly right-wing West Bank settler who wants Israeli Arabs to forfeit their citizenship rights if they fail to pledge loyalty to the Jewish state, was characterised on Friday by a leading Israeli columnist, Nahum Barnea, as "the scarecrow that panic-stricken Israelis want to place in the political cornfield in the hope that the Arabs are crows... and take fright".

At least in theory, Ms Livni could be asked by President Shimon Peres to try to form a coalition even if Kadima does not emerge as the biggest single party, especially if Ms Livni secures the support of Mr Lieberman as a potential coalition partner. Like Ms Livni, Mr Lieberman is secular, and could baulk at a Netanyahu-led government which included ultra-orthodox parties such as Shas.

Nevertheless such a move by President Peres – while constitutional – would be unprecedented. It would provoke furious charges from Likud, if it is the single biggest party, of being undemocratic. For now Ms Livni will go all out to persuade the still-undecided fifth of the Israeli electorate that she is the only candidate to stop the polarising Mr Netanyahu.

Over coffee in one of the few downtown Jerusalem cafes open on the Jewish sabbath, Maya Ayvo, 35, and her husband Ezer, 38, described yesterday how 15 of their mainstream middle-class family members had discussed their "confusion" over how to vote at the traditional Friday night meal the previous evening.

While most did not want to vote for Mr Netanyahu or Mr Lieberman, said Mrs Ayvo, "they like Tzipi Livni, but are not sure about her party; others like the Labour Party, but are not sure about Barak".

Mrs Ayvo said she had been toying with voting Green, as she did in 2006, or the left-wing Zionist party Meretz, but that she had now come down in favour of Ms Livni. This was partly because she was a woman, but "I feel that this time I have to be responsible and not vote for a smaller party, because this election is so important". She said that she would be very disappointed if Ms Livni included Mr Lieberman in a coalition.

Her husband, who voted for the small Pensioners' Party in the last election because he was fed up with the larger parties, said he had not yet made up his mind, but might vote for Ms Livni. Like his wife, he supported the war in Gaza. "I wasn't happy about it, but I think it was very necessary," he said.

Meanwhile, over bacon, beer and coffee at another cafe, in the city's German Colony district, what was for Jerusalem an unusually leftist and secular group was debating the respective merits of the left-of-centre parties. Most were Jewish, but the group included a Christian Palestinian lawyer, Daoud Khoury. He and a Jewish friend, Moshe Simchovich, supported the communist Arab-Jewish party Hadash.

But Rachel, a 58-year-old teacher who asked for her family name not to be used because of her public servant status, said she would be voting for the newly combined Greens and Meimad party, led by the liberal and popular Knesset education committee chairman, Rabbi Michael Melchior. "The reason that Lieberman is doing so well is because of the one-sided media coverage of the war in Gaza,"she said.

Israel's four contenders for power

Tzipi Livni, 50

Foreign Minister and Kadima leader. Protégée of Ariel Sharon who was briefly a Mossad agent in her youth. Has staked her appeal on a cleaner politics and talks with the moderate West Bank Palestinian leadership over a two-state solution. Like Barak, has not ruled out military option on Iran. A hawk on Gaza, publicly opposed to idea of a negotiated end to the Gaza war, saying Israel's role is to "fight terror" not to talk to its perpetrators.

Ehud Barak, 66

Defence Minister and Labour leader. Prime Minister 1999-2001 and a much-decorated ex-military chief of staff. He went further than predecessors towards a two-state solution but blamed Yasser Arafat for the collapse of the Camp David talks. Favours an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire with Hamas if possible and was quicker than PM Ehud Olmert and Livni in seeking halt to Gaza operation. More sceptical than either about negotiations with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Benjamin Netanyahu, 59

Leader of main right- wing opposition, Likud. Prime Minister 1996-99. Strong opponent of Oslo accords and 2005 withdrawal from Gaza, over which he resigned from Sharon government. Says Gaza military operation not complete and that Hamas regime must be ended. Against territorial concessions to Palestinians and says Iran must "not be armed with a nuclear weapon". Says options "include everything that is necessary to make this statement come true".

Avigdor Lieberman, 50

Leader of Yisrael Beiteinu, secular hard-right party. Moldovan-born immigrant who wants Israeli Arabs to pledge loyalty to the Jewish state or lose the vote. Wants borders redrawn – unacceptable even to moderate Palestinians – to put more than 100,000 Israeli Arabs in future Palestinian state. Has faced corruption allegations. Israel may have to act militarily alone in Iran "in worst-case scenario". Has suggested treating Gaza as Russia did Chechnya.

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Israel election
[info]mbhoyes wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:26 am (UTC)
All contenders make Hamas leaders look like moderates. Why can Israel threaten to bomb Iran with nuclear weapons while claiming dIran is a threat?
Israel Election
[info]manplant wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:45 am (UTC)
Why be afraid? If its nuclear war, then lets have one. Problem solved. A few generations and the region will recover. Why should only a few people get sacrificed?
'moderate'
[info]qunfuz wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 12:30 pm (UTC)
Please stop your journalist using the word 'moderate' to describe Arab regimes. It really is so annoying and so meaningless. Saudi Arabia is 'moderate' because it does what America tells it to and is a de facto ally of Israel. Never mind the public beheadings, secret police, religious police, bibles being banned, etc. Egypt is 'moderate' because it helps Israel cage the Palestinians in Gaza. Never mind the routine anal rape of detained young men, mass arrests of democratic opposition, infrastructural breakdown, total corruption. And Mahmoud Abbas and the PA are 'moderate' because they refuse to recognise that the Palestinians voted for Hamas, because they are staggeringly corrupt, because they police the Palestinians on behalf of the occupier.

Just say US-client, or 'pro-US'. We'll understand.
Re: 'moderate'
[info]copycat7 wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 01:03 pm (UTC)
HA HA!....Tellin it like it is!. Unfortunatly most people cant see through the word "moderate" as meaning pro US or pro Israel. Most people are too nieve to concider that western governments have a long history of supporting dictators in the middle east. Most people are too nieve to realise they live in an oppressive nation. They are too brainwashed with the propaganda of standing for Freedom, Liberty and a large dose of arrogance. The grand chess game of competing cultures will always decide who we term a moderate and whom we call a dictator. All nations opposed to globalisation are automatically put on the "oppresive regime" list. People are slowly waking up to this reality though.
So that leaves a choice of:
[info]copycat7 wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 12:52 pm (UTC)
So that leaves the Palestinians with a choice between total extreemist maniacs or the lunatic war war war party. Of cource we can always count on America to support Israel no matter what government they have. And yet nobody is allowed to suggest the reason why this unquestioning support exists for fear of being labled anti-semitic. Congratulations Obama on recruiting at least six jewish zionists into your cabinet of seventeen and giving them all the most important and most powerfull jobs in American Polotics. Is it any wonder we see America supporting Israel with the same jewish domination of American polotics. Nothing has changed as the press is trying to convince us. Same psychos, new faces in front of them and a new image for the same so called war on terror foreign policy. Unfortunatly most Americans are too busy eating donuts in front of the TV to notice there nation has been hijacked by zionism and is forever indangering the western nations in Israels wars.
Re: So that leaves a choice of:
[info]ziva10 wrote:
Monday, 9 February 2009 at 12:38 am (UTC)
Paranoia!
Israel Election
[info]ghirone wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 01:10 pm (UTC)
Sadly enough, this election is going to be about choosing between a killer and a murderer.
Y Sh
Israel, our great ally?
[info]giuseppesapone wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 01:27 pm (UTC)
The Lavon Affair, JFK assassination, the attack on the USS Liberty, Lockerbie, 9/11, the London bombings and the 'Samson option'.
With a freind like Israel, who needs enemies?
Re: Israel, our great ally?
[info]victormc wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 07:34 pm (UTC)
What in the world are you on about? You really must take more water with it.
Some democracy
[info]b_hornstein wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 01:28 pm (UTC)
Looking at the leading candidates profiles, it just appears to be a choice between "who is the best Arab hater". They may appear to be different engines, but they all come from the same engine block.
Re: Some democracy
[info]ziva10 wrote:
Monday, 9 February 2009 at 01:19 am (UTC)
Please bare in mind a large percentage of Israeli's are Arab & they shall be voting too. Israeli's aren't anti-arab they are against the Palestinian militant's use of violence. Race is not an issue, although that really doesn't sit well I should imagine with your own anti-semitic justifications.
Re: Some democracy - [info]b_hornstein - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 12:27 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Some democracy - [info]5664k - Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 03:27 am (UTC) Expand
The choice in Israel's elections...
[info]jerrycom wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 02:20 pm (UTC)

Israelis are a great bunch. And they deserve the leaders they get: a motley collection of racists, crypto-fascists and openly declared fascists. And oh yes, a small bunch of softy-softy lefties and greenies to put "democratic" color on a nauseating political system.
Re: The choice in Israel's elections...
[info]mariquita1900 wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 03:12 pm (UTC)
God, thank you all for telling it like it is. But that ship will go down. Believe me. From within. One cannot keep living a lie, coated with bullets and behind walls. One will be eaten from within.
Re: The choice in Israel's elections... - [info]victormc - Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 07:33 pm (UTC) Expand
Israeli elections
[info]kbkm wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 03:06 pm (UTC)
Whether it is Livni or Netanyahu, it will make no difference. Israel remains a rogue state. The basic facts remain the same. Israelis are living on stolen land and all Israelis are thieves and murderers.
Re: Israeli elections
[info]victormc wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 07:36 pm (UTC)
Sick man. You need to see a specialist.
Re: Israeli elections - [info]jesusjudeu - Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:28 pm (UTC) Expand
Deciding between Tiddle-dee Darth Vaders and Madam Sade
[info]mariquita1900 wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 03:07 pm (UTC)
Totally, I do not understand the confusion of the Zionists in Israel. What is the difference between voting for flesh-and-blood monsters who kill children slowly, 100 at a time and monsters who kill everyone and children, 1,500 at a time? Aside from Meimad, the rest are one and the same: All cold blooded murderers just like our friends back in the U.S., Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Pearle, Bush, Cheney. Look at history guys! All violent, flesh-eating torturers have gone down. You will too if you don't stop stealing land and killing innocents.
Racism
[info]ehross wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 03:30 pm (UTC)
The can never be any legitamacy for the Jews until they give up their racism.

Does the World really need to have this continuing cancer in the World based on racism?

The World will be better off when they are removed from controlling Palestine.

Re: Racism
[info]victormc wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 07:40 pm (UTC)
'Removed' are you a total maniac??
Re: Racism - [info]jesusjudeu - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 02:04 am (UTC) Expand
Nazis of the world unite!
[info]fiskisadisgrace wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 04:00 pm (UTC)

Nazis of the world have united yet again under the same comment page.
Here's the best of the worst, here in the opinion page of this "LIBERAL HUMANIST NEWSPAPER":

"all Israelis are thieves and murderers"
"If its nuclear war, then lets have one. Problem solved."
"Israelis are a great bunch (in cynicism). And they deserve the leaders they get"
"The can never be any legitamacy for the Jews until they give up their racism"

OUR racism. RIGHT.
Is there NO editing here? Is this Nazi-Islamo-fascist NUT CASE newspaper open for any type of blood libel and inciting to violence?

Here's one of my own:
I hope Bibi gets elected, and starts getting busy by "dealing" with people like you.
Re: Nazis of the world unite!
[info]giuseppesapone wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 06:55 pm (UTC)
Ah yes, that old chestnut the 'blood libel'. Who proved it to be a libel?
Last year, Jewish Italian professor of history Ariel Toaff, after 20 years of research, published his book 'Blood Passover' proving that in medieval times a sect of Ashkenazi Jews did indeed kidnap and sacrifice Christian children at Passover.
After just 2 days, the ADL put so much pressure on the Prof. Toaff that he ceased publication.
For those interested in what he had to tell us, the book can be read here...
cwporter.com/toafftableofcontents.htm
Re: Nazis of the world unite! - [info]jesusjudeu - Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:35 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nazis of the world unite! - [info]afrojazzman - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 01:32 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nazis of the world unite! - [info]mak67nyc - Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 07:13 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nazis of the world unite! - [info]victormc - Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 07:41 pm (UTC) Expand
Yes, be VERY afraid!!!
[info]blobbox wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 04:17 pm (UTC)
Not one of the listed contenders is a real peacemaker. Tzipi Livni is scary as hell - and she's supposed to be the moderate!!!! Israel will get what it deserves from the arab world if it doesn't start thinking in terms of sharing the land they claim is theirs alone, but which history tells us it never was anything but a secular and multi-faith area full of many races and creeds and it will come in the shape of large nuclear bombs rainnig -down from Iran. Poor, misguided people that the Israeli's are, it'll onl;y be what they have brought upon themselves for their arrogant stance which has been airily supported by their puppets in the USA for far, far too long...........and I'm Jewish!!!!!!!!
ISRAEL FAST BECOMING A BRUTAL CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE
[info]chuckman_john wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 04:21 pm (UTC)
Olmert is a war criminal.

Lieberman is a certifiable fascist.

And Netanyahu is on record having made hateful statements towards Arabs.

Israel is losing any sense of genuine purpose and meaning: it is fast becoming something approaching a brutal criminal enterprise.
Re: ISRAEL FAST BECOMING A BRUTAL CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE
[info]victormc wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 07:43 pm (UTC)
You are amongst the very sick people out there today posting your unthinking rubbish.
Re: ISRAEL FAST BECOMING A BRUTAL CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE - [info]ziva10 - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 01:07 am (UTC) Expand
Re: ISRAEL FAST BECOMING A BRUTAL CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE - [info]rabeea - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 12:27 pm (UTC) Expand
War with Iran
[info]changechange2 wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 06:30 pm (UTC)
That is all they can think of - war! And until they decide to live in peace with their neighbours - all their neighbours - by acknowledging and implementing the several United National resolutions over the last 40 years - to get out of the illegally occupied Palestinian lands, there will be no peace in Israel. PITY.
Re: War with Iran
[info]jesusjudeu wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:24 pm (UTC)
All muslims can think of is war. What have they done for thte world in the last five centuries? They can't live in peace even with themselves, let alone with the Jews. They kill themselves in Sudan, Somalia, Lebanon, Algeria, Iraq, etc. They even kill their own daugthers or sisters, for reasons of "honour".
Palestine is Jewish. Nothing illegal in occupying land taken in a defensive war. Israel even gave the Sinai back to Egypt - shouldn't have done. Bibi gave Bethlehem to the PLO! Bethlehem, capital of Judea, city of King David and Jesus
Re: War with Iran - [info]changechange2 - Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:59 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: War with Iran - [info]rabeea - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 12:24 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: War with Iran - [info]surftheland - Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 04:40 pm (UTC) Expand
what change?
[info]mak67nyc wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 06:39 pm (UTC)
So, Israeli candidates are veering toward the right, driven by an increasingly militant constituency? This is new??

Kadima and Likud have been flouting international norms for years by building and expanding settlements on Palestinian lands; building Apartheid walls (on Palestinian lands, no less); and adding checkpoints on Palestinian areas (700+ in the West Bank alone).

Enough is enough.

As a proud supporter of Obama, I am hopeful that the US will FINALLY show some much-needed (and long-overdue) balance in handling the Israel-Palestine conflict. Absent that, we will see more of the same -- hundreds of Palestinians (or Lebanese, or...) dead vs. a few dozen Israeli casualties.

The West chides Palestinians for voting in Hmas (and democratically, no less). But has anyone EVER dared say anything about the far-right hawks ruling Israel with a clenched fist?? Stop the double standards.
Re: what change?
[info]holyroly wrote:
Monday, 9 February 2009 at 12:20 pm (UTC)
by "balance in handling the Israel-Palestine conflict" am I right in assuming you mean denying Israel the right to defend itself? Having to sit still while being attacked by rockets? I thought that only people here in Austria think so. But hte pattern is apparently the same in Britain: You pity jews, as long as they are dead. Jews who defend themselves? Never!
Re: what change? - [info]afrojazzman - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 01:38 pm (UTC) Expand
It could be over tomorrow
[info]ehross wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 06:53 pm (UTC)
All that is required is that the Jews allow the Palestinians to return to their homes/homeland.

To continue to discriminate against the Palestinians is nothing more than Nazi like racism.

Re: It could be over tomorrow
[info]jesusjudeu wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:21 pm (UTC)
And the Arab countries allow the Jews they expled after 1948 to return. Just kidding. Of course Jews don't want to go back to that s.... Arabs have enough space to live, 22 countries in land they stole. Christian Portuguese and Spanish reclaimed their countries after nearly 800 years of occupation. They kicked all the Arabs out, not one square inch left for the Arab land usurpers.
As you mentioned Nazism: An Christian European invention. 100% of Austrians were Catholics and Germans were half Chatholics, half Protestant, 100% "Christians"
Israeli elections: Be afraid. Be very afraid
[info]rayleddy wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 07:40 pm (UTC)
Hi Guys!!

I was going to post a viewpoint but you guys beat me to almost every conceivable response! Except reading down I came across the fellow who has impaled himself with the moniker "fiskisadisgrace" Plainly not a bobfan, nevertheless as he twirls around copy and pasting all your best lines to culminate in his own ejaculation which amounts to hoping that Bibi gets elected, so he can "deal" with us too!! Like the article says "be afraid be very very afraid!!" He even explodes about why there is no censorship in the Indie?? I have (excuse me too) copy & pasted his school yard rant here for your perusal! ooooh what's that funny white cloud over my flat! Jesus what a world we live in now :-((

fiskisadisgrace wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 04:00 pm (UTC

all Israelis are thieves and murderers"
"If its nuclear war, then lets have one. Problem solved."
"Israelis are a great bunch (in cynicism). And they deserve the leaders they get"
"The can never be any legitamacy for the Jews until they give up their racism"

OUR racism. RIGHT.
Is there NO editing here? Is this Nazi-Islamo-fascist NUT CASE newspaper open for any type of blood libel and inciting to violence?

Here's one of my own:
I hope Bibi gets elected, and starts getting busy by "dealing" with people like you.
Re: Israeli elections: Be afraid. Be very afraid
[info]fiskisadisgrace wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 10:00 pm (UTC)


All your best lines? So for you, calling all Jews thieves, murderers and racists and expressing your desire to see them nuked constitutes a "good line"? Is this for you a political rhetoric?

Don't you people get tired living in your little bubble of extreme-left wing hatred?
Thanks for making a free copy comment for me, anyway. :)

Are you even aware that up to a few years ago, the majority of Israelis were in favor of the two state solution, giving the Palestinians 100% of the west bank? The Oslo accords were widely supported, and the left was in power, but it blew up in Israel's face with dozens of suicide bombing. Do you expect the Israelis to just open their doors to more terror and hundreds of deaths a year?

More people have been murdered by Hamas- 700, then civilians in the latest war in Gaza, yet you don't seem know or care.

you had one! suicide bombing- 7/7, and that was enough to send you to TWO wars killing TENS of THOUSANDS of people, yet I don't hear any of you disgusting hypocrites calling for the demise of the putrid, evil, BRITTAIN, am I?
And no, they did NOT got to war because Israel magically got them too through its wicked super control of all world media (that constantly displays Israel as the aggressor, yet for some reason you think is controlled by the "Zionists")

You country is killing as we speak, yet NOT ONE OF YOU claim either Britain or the USA are "Nazi and evil". How rotten and evil can YOU be?



Re: Israeli elections: Be afraid. Be very afraid - [info]ziva10 - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 01:03 am (UTC) Expand
Sad to see
[info]hodgeey wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 07:46 pm (UTC)
It is sad to see Israel torn apart by guilt over what they have done, and it is sad to see that they are sealing their demise by their atrocious behaviour.

Israel was given a chance to form a home for Jews in Palestine in 1947; but they were hijacked by the murdering Zionists, who ruined the dream.

If Israel wishes to remain in existence, they have to vote in a government which will engage with the Palestinians and negotiate reparations and permanent borders for two independent states.

Re: Sad to see
[info]jesusjudeu wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:17 pm (UTC)
Britain (and others) have killed so far nearly half a million people in Afghanistan and Iraq, but don't feel guilty. Till 1947 Britain was hanging Jews and Arabs alike in Palestine. The UN divided Palestine (what was left of it, after Britain gave a chunk, Transjordan, from a bedouin family from Arabia, the Hashemites), but the Arabs didn't accept and thought they could kill many Jews, Hitler style.
Re: Sad to see - [info]hodgeey - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 09:21 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Sad to see - [info]fiskisadisgrace - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 10:43 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Sad to see - [info]hodgeey - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 11:18 am (UTC) Expand
Re Nazis Of The World Unite
[info]manplant wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 07:52 pm (UTC)
You have nuclear weapons, and the world saw what you did in Gaza, but guess what, people are not afraid!
You control most of the media and the politics, but you won't do for ever!
Power is cyclical and the wheel is turning fast. Be very worried! What you are preparing for others will claim you.
Re: Re Nazis Of The World Unite
[info]jesusjudeu wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:13 pm (UTC)
You have nuclear weapons, Britain, and the world is seeing what you are doing in Afghanistan and Iraq (countries that never attacked you). You, the 5th richest nation in the world, control a lot of media and politics (even veto in the UN), but you won't forever (sharia is coming to you, soon). Power is cyclical. Be very worried! Another 7 / 7 is coming to you - hypocrites
Israeli elections
[info]hans1111 wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 08:07 pm (UTC)
If the wrong side wins (like in Gaza) can we blockade Israel?
Re: Israeli elections
[info]jesusjudeu wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:09 pm (UTC)
Very funny. The blockade only started after the rockets started hitting Israel. Muslims never fired a rocket on Britain and yet your professional soldier (killing for money) and Ghurka mercenaries killed, with other coalition forces, nearly half a million people, mostly civilians. Stop the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq now. Shame on you.
Re: Israeli elections - [info]hans1111 - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 01:25 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Israeli elections - [info]afrojazzman - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 01:48 pm (UTC) Expand
Nuclear war
[info]wannabeneutral wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 08:41 pm (UTC)
Among all the replies to this article the most sensible seems let's have nuclear war, let's be done with it and then may be the world will finally have peace! I sometimes marvel at the patience mankind is showing to the putrid presence of the zionist Israel, the way they are creating havoc in middle east and how millions of people are suffering because of them and how sane people are still trying hard to control their anger! But for how long? This anger will ultimately spill over... I think nuclear war is the only solution to solve all this quickly!
Again...
[info]jesusjudeu wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 10:51 pm (UTC)
Everyday - Independent / Guardian / Independent / Guardian... Jews, Israel, Zionists, Jews, Israel, Jews, Zionists, Jews, Israel, Zionists, Jews... British obsession. While you show the dead children in Gaza, killed in a defensive war, you fail to show the dead children the British army (and others) killed in Afghanistan and Iraq, in spite of them being greater in numbers. Nearly half a million killed (mostly civilians) after eight years of British invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries a continent away. When did Iraq or Afghanistan declare war or fire a single rocket on British soil?
Israeli Election
[info]slyfas wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:11 pm (UTC)
Who cares? Thou shall reap what you sow!
Re: Israeli Election
[info]jesusjudeu wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:33 pm (UTC)
If you are one of those Jew hater I forbid you using this "shal reap what you sow" - it's from the Bible, our holly book
Re: Israeli Election - [info]rabeea - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 12:35 pm (UTC) Expand
Again
[info]manplant wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:21 pm (UTC)
jesusjudeu, who was behind the Iraq war, who supplied false intelligence about weapons of mass destruction, who manipulated our politicians, who was behind sanctions? It was you! Don't give us this guilt trip, we are not buying it! You can only prosper by destroying, you are at odds with the rest of human kind! You are adept at working behind the scenes whilst burdoning others with your crimes.
You have hijacked our democracies. Don't underestimate peoples' intelligence, we know what's going on.
Re: Again
[info]jesusjudeu wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 11:32 pm (UTC)
I underestimate your British intelligence. Who was behind the war in Iraq? Who told you to invade Iraq and Afghanistan? The "Jews", the "zionists"? Why did you obey? Are you a banana republic?
Re: Again - [info]hans1111 - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 01:32 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Again - [info]ziva10 - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 01:11 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Again - [info]manplant - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 10:22 am (UTC) Expand
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