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Andreas Whittam Smith: Seven ways we could reform our broken political system

Mr Brown thinks up a vote-winning headline he'd like to see, then conjures up a policy

How can we use the next few months to bring about such a profound change at the forthcoming general election that there can be a fresh start?

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How can we use the next few months to bring about such a profound change at the forthcoming general election that there can be a fresh start?

What is to be done? That question is being asked with increasing urgency about the British political system. Can we go on any longer with our dysfunctional, discredited, dishonourable arrangements? Or, to put the challenge in more practical terms, how can we use the next few months to bring about such a profound change at the forthcoming general election that there can be a fresh start? The scandalous exploitation by Members of Parliament of the expenses system, while it is far from the most serious deficiency of our system of government, has had the perverse benefit of making people very angry.

For fierce disgust is a necessary condition for carrying through substantial improvements in the way we are governed. The last time this happened was in the winter of 1978-79, when public sector workers went out on strike for weeks. Uncollected mountains of rubbish were piled high in the cities, army vehicles replaced ambulances and bodies remained unburied. At the subsequent general election, the untried Margaret Thatcher, proposing real change, swept Labour out of power for 18 years. Substitute MPs' expenses for the "winter of discontent" and you see that today's political conditions closely resemble those of 30 years ago.

However, to understand how far the rot in government has spread, note what Lord Malloch-Brown said last week when he resigned after a short spell as a Foreign Office minister. Gordon Brown's government was more "chaotic" than many administrations in the developing world, he said. Everything was cobbled together at the last minute and no one took the time to plan ahead.

It was no better when Tony Blair was Prime Minister. In one of the entries in his diary, recounting his days working at 10 Downing Street, Lance Price comments: "Tony Blair's political note to everybody today (14 May 2000) was quite funny. They never seem to produce any real action because of [No 10's] ludicrous lack of an effective command structure and absence of discipline. He has obviously spotted this and says, 'I don't write them for fun'."

Or go back to John Major's government. Writing about the BSE crisis in cattle, Sir Richard Packer, who was a senior civil servant at the time, wrote: "Ministers collectively panicked. None of these established conventions were followed In the absence of standard procedures, disorder and confusion abounded." Indeed, our last three prime ministers, John Major, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, have been masters of dysfunction.

The unnecessary deaths of our soldiers in Afghanistan because of shortcomings in their equipment flow directly from the pervasive chaos that penetrates much of government. Which brings up the first question for those of us who want a big change: would a government led by David Cameron be any better? I wouldn't bank on it for a variety of reasons. Like Tony Blair before him, Mr Cameron would enter Downing Street when his party had been in opposition for a lengthy period. He would be subject to the same strong temptation to put securing a second term as the overriding priority. If so, Mr Cameron might easily find himself driven to allowing presentation to dictate policy as Mr Blair was. We would again, for instance, have government by gesture.

As before, the announcement of new legislation would be chiefly designed to serve public relations purposes, with little consideration given to the detailed contents of the Bills placed before Parliament. The MP Chris Mullin wrote in his diary for May 2003: "Today we nodded through Blunkett's plan for ratcheting up life sentences and doubling (from seven to 14 days) the length of time that terrorist suspects can be held without trial. Both of these measures have only appeared in the last 10 days, so there has been no previous opportunity for discussion."

Mr Brown is an equally awful example. First, he thinks up the vote-winning headline he would like to see, then he conjures up a policy that would produce the desired result. After that, he watches with dismay as numerous objections to the desired policy are voiced and finally he makes a U-turn. Would Mr Cameron finally be so different once he got under way? Fears that Mr Cameron in office would be more or less the same as before, with a different voice, are causing many people to echo the title of Lenin's famous pamphlet and ask themselves: "What is to be done?" In a useful posting on the openDemocracy website, Anthony Barnett describes seven suggestions that are being actively discussed as ways of delivering change. I list them here.

1. Take a single issue like electoral reform and demand a referendum on it at the same time as the election, as the key issue that will open up change. This is the approach of "Vote for Change".

2. Generate basic pledges for change that are then taken to all candidates to create a reforming Parliament.

3. Meet, deliberate, hold a convention, decide, influence, elect and hold to account, starting with 1,000 meetings in pubs or living rooms around the UK, or as part of discussions in existing networks. This is the original "Real Change" proposal.

4. Get Parliament to pass an Act empowering a citizen's deliberative convention to decide on a set of major reforms. A Bill to do this has been written by "Unlock Democracy".

5. Launch a campaign to "Take back our Parliament". This would focus on how it represents us (proportionality, open primaries), its honesty (transparency), defending our liberties (independence) and its funding (no corruption).

6. Bring about a network of independent candidates committed to implementing a reform agenda.

7. Organise an online force for change on the lines of MoveOn in the US. This is the approach adopted by the campaign group 38 Degrees.

It would be interesting to know what readers think of this list. Faced with such a choice of dishes, I would prefer to take something from most of them. I would cheerfully join a campaign to take back our Parliament. It has been at the centre of the nation's life for 600 to 700 years and it is only through Parliament that legitimate change can be achieved, so that is where I would start. British government can be reformed only from the inside, not the outside.

To do this, I would take up the suggestion that a network of independent candidates committed to implementing a reform agenda should be created. Their aim would have to be the incredibly ambitious one of forming the next government. I hope that such a force, if it could be formed, would commit itself to cleaning up our system of government within the life of a single Parliament and then withdraw. It wouldn't be possible to keep the traditional parties at bay for much longer than that.

I would also borrow from MoveOn its mastery of the internet for political purposes. And to establish what such a reform programme should comprise, I would go with the "Real Change" proposal and have the 1,000 meetings around the country. In his pamphlet, Lenin called for the formation of a new party. That, too, is what a lot of people are thinking about, though in my mind it would be strictly temporary – its task would be to make our political system fit for the 21st century. Job done, its representatives would return to ordinary life.

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Article - 12 years too late
[info]pete_s wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 05:08 am (UTC)

I doubt whether jounos have only just found out the TRUE character of this appalling government. The problem with gov is the time delay for the effects of their policies and huge mistakes to show up. After about early 2005, the National Audit Office (NAO) issued reports, where beyond doubt, it showed the full incompetance of this gov. The NAO showed they LIED and obfuscated to cover up their mistaes, delays, inaction and incompetance.

Yesterday, TV showed a classic example, McDoom was being interviewed by the commons by a commons committee. Arbuthnot, the chairman of the Defence committee, asked McDoom had he been asked for 2000 extra troops. McDoom basically refused to answer the question. Arbuthnot clearly knew he had, McDoom clearly knew he had, but gave a deliberately evasive answer. I was waiting for Arbuthnot to get aggressive, he did not. We are too polite for our own good. Some straight talking when the situation gets desperate does not do any harm. This moribund PM, gov and flock of MP sheep will lead this country to and over the precipice. - Article 12 years too late.
Re: Article - 12 years too late
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 10:33 am (UTC)
Spot on. I watched the same clip and waited for James Arbuthnot to ask the obvious question as to what was the point of the prime minister even bothering to come before the committee if he was unable or unwilling to give frank and open responses to members' questions.

And he didn't. The interrogatioon just sort of fizzled out. No wonder the executive is so almighty, if MPs are so supine. It just seemed to me to emphasize the intrinsic rottenness of the system of which they - and, even now, too many ordinary Brits - are all so incongruously proud.
'thius appalling government' has been in office for 32 years
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 18 July 2009 at 04:55 am (UTC)
...It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes, have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd; your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse the Augean Stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings, and which by God's help and the strength He has given me, I now come to do.
I command ye, therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. You have sat here too long for the good you do...
PR is a hobby horse - there is no evidence it leads to better governmen
[info]nbeale wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 05:33 am (UTC)
PR is a hobby horse - there is no evidence it leads to better government. There needs to be better legislative scruitiny - fewer laws and "eye-catching initiatives".
Re: PR is a hobby horse - there is no evidence it leads to better governmen
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 10:40 am (UTC)
PR's not any magic solution. But I doubt you'll get any sufficient and significant change to the manifest rottenness of our system without it. Too many vested interests within the present set-up that would simply re-emerge once the small flurries of dust created by small scale tinkering change had died down.

As we've just seen with the furore over the new Speaker. Anyone still seriously think, after the interval of a week or two, that the election of Bercow was a shaking of the foundations, and not just a cosmetic tarting up of the powder and lipstick on the raddled Westminster whore?!
Alors!
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 09:09 am (UTC)
I think it is time for what the French call "direct action".
Re: Alors!
[info]andrewholt wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 09:54 am (UTC)

Oui !!

Are you perhaps alluding to "Action directe" ?

"Action directe was a French revolutionary group which committed a series of assassinations and violent attacks in France between 1979 and 1986. Members of Action directe considered themselves libertarian communist who had formed an "urban guerrilla organisation". The French government banned the group."
Re: Alors!
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 02:46 pm (UTC)
Harmony of pen and sword.
Re: Alors!
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 01:03 pm (UTC)
Agreed, this country's governance is in crisis, it is unable to stop the pork-barrelling, the British people are put last in any priority list, this government is a government of swindlers, liars, cheats and thieves.

In the end, if they don't bring the reform in, then sooner or later the people will, the Brixton and Toxteth riots sparked a flurry of police reforms that lasted from Thatcher to Blair, perhaps the government will finally take notice of its employer then rather than high handedly issue decrees without a thought for the British taxpayer in mind.

This is supposed to be a democracy so why isn't it being democratic?

And why so few charged over their expenses, fraud is fraud unless you are an MP, then its just a milch cow at our expense whilst us "peasants" rot.
Re: Alors!
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 02:49 pm (UTC)
I am tempted to reply either of two things will happen, a revolt or not. Emmerdale is on a 7pm so the revolt will be postponed. Britain will only rise up when Jonathan Ross goes off air or something equally banal. I wish Special Branch would bung a million quid in my account so I could shut up & emigrate!
Re: Alors!
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 03:45 pm (UTC)
Hehe for me it would have to be an Aston Martin too, if they gave me that and a bit o' dough I would be so gone out of here lol
Re: Alors!
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 08:11 pm (UTC)
You think I should hold out for a million plus a left hand drive car?
Re: Alors!
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 08:35 pm (UTC)
Mate, the way this government is going, be lucky to get a moped and a luncheon voucher...
Dream on...
[info]popskihaynes wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 10:11 am (UTC)
Sorry, that is all pretty much school boy stuff I'm afraid. Yes change is needed and it may well be about to happen albeit, through odd circumstances.

One both hopes and assumes that Cameron will be our next Prime Minister and this should be as true of a Labour or a Libdem voter as a Tory. The reason is that we need a Government that no longer has to keep justifying its past and largely failed policies, we need one to get on with restructuring the economy and the Country and Cameron's lot are the only game in town.

The most interesting thing about an incoming Conservative Government is that it will have no money to implement any favoured policies whatsoever, it will be confronted with cutting the size of the State, persuading people to expect less from the State and even so, having to raise taxes.

Now all of this will be very unpleasant and not the platform from which to win a second term, remember that without the Falklands War, it is questionable whether Maggie faced with a similar situation then, would have got a second term. So if Cameron wants to build a "narrative" that his is a radical government devoted to genuine change for the benefit of the whole population but costs no money, his salvation lies in a big open debate about Parliament, Governance, the Scope of the State and taxation...

His way forward is to engage all people in looking at radical reforms right across the board, getting the public to look at key long term issues such as pension funding and the funding of care in old age. from that to discuss the size of the "cake" and deciding what should be provided by the State and what by the private and voluntary sectors. Oddly without any money to spend, we might just be in for a bit of a treat in terms of very open Government.

Let's face it, by the time this Government has totally emptied the Treasury and mortgaged everything that can be mortgaged, Dave aint going to have a lot of choice in the matter, talk costs nothing and for once people feeling they are being listened to, might be a big bonus.
Re: Dream on...
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 12:07 pm (UTC)
You optimist, popski! Not many of those still around ...

You could just turn out to be right. But my fear is that, as with every election since 1979, the outcome will simply be "plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose". I agree that, as neither the Lib Dems nor the Greens have nothing like the nationwide organizational and voter base to be serious contenders for total victory, "Cameron's lot" are indeed the only alternative game in town.

But that brings the choice down to just two managerial conservative parties - "Butskellism redivivus" in a new form! I don't find much comfort or cause for hope in that, somehow - just not as optimistic as you, I guess. "Two prominent gangs of bullshitters", says guayacan below. I'd go with that!

Re: Dream on...
[info]popskihaynes wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 12:26 pm (UTC)
Dear John

You are right and I'm sure that it will be different once the medication has worn off !

But seriously and obviously I may be wrong but what I feel is that unlike Blair in 1997 who was so shocked to be in No.10 and inherited an economy rising on a global tide of increased activity, Cameron will have none of that.

What I extrapolate from that is that many "policy choices" or if you prefer possibilities have been totally removed from an in-coming Government. If one was talking about pure "Tory Policies", there just won't be any in a 5 year Parliament because of the fire fighting required to start to get public borrowing back into line.

In other words, economic necessity will trump "Slick Willy Politics". One lives in hope !
Re: Dream on...
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 02:52 pm (UTC)
You just could be right. I hope you are. It's not as much as I'd hope for, but pragmatically, given that Brits, unlike our neighbours to the south, don't usually go out on the streets in wrath, it may be the best we can look for ...
All politicians need to be independent
[info]guayacan wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 10:24 am (UTC)
The problem here, as everywhere, is control of power by parties. These parties act similarly to mafias, in which there are codes of conduct for their own, and they follow the drawn lines. However, parties do not have long-term leaders, and they are not as honourable in their execution of duties.
The main difference is that parties create, and (mostly) work within the law, but the objectives of monetary control (Tax) and peronal wealth are similar. The politicians can leave their parties, but the mafiosos are always accountable to their allegiance.
If politicians were independent, and elected as such, then we could also choose the policies they run. Further, we could have great people like Vince Cable.
People want organized government, not two prominent gangs of bullshitters.
Re: All politicians need to be independent
[info]dnmurphy wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 11:06 am (UTC)
Party power is certainly one part of the equation. I also think we need to properly separate legislature from executive. our system of government more or less worked when the politicos were willing to abide by the conventions, But since Blair and labour came to power, there has been an increasing cynicism amongst the politicians who have realised our system of government is easily explopoitable, and so have done so.

Banning MPs form becoming Ministers would at a stroke loosen party power and allow for parliament to start behaving as a watch dog, not as a supplicant for Prime Ministerial favour.
Re: All politicians need to be independent
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 01:08 pm (UTC)
Actually it annoys the hell out of me when a MP is instructed by his constituency to vote one way and he chooses to follow the whip regardless of what his constituents say.

Just who is in charge here? The rules say it is "we" but then why aren't "we" being heard when it comes to crucial voting in Parliament?
From hypocracy to democracy
[info]jimhogg wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 11:24 am (UTC)


Hypocrisy has always been the order of the day in this so called democracy, and it's true extent has finally become obvious to more than a tiny proportion of the electorate. So, what will be done? Not a lot I suspect. Culture and politics are inextricable entwined, and one has to change considerably before the other follows. Normally the change process is gradual/organic but now and again it happens rapidly - when there is a sudden charge of energy and will for it. Is this one of those times? Probably not. There's been a lot of noise and heat, and many good ideas have been expressed in various places, but the inertia in the system is substantial, and it takes more than repeated banging of tables and fired up contributions on discussion boards to overcome it, especially these days when the diversity of expressed opinion is probably greater than ever before.

Most of us have more outlets for our frustrations, more distractions, and probably shorter attention spans than ever before, and together these mean that a huge amount of discontent can simply evaporate, leaving things basically as they were. Witness the behaviour of Brown & Co since the expenses revelations. There was panic and bloodletting initiatlly but within a very short space of time the government was back into status quo mode, showing little concern for notions of justice or the views of the public at large. His subsequent ridiculous policy statements followed days later by U turns under media pressure were classic examples. He continues to think that he can get away with thumbing his notice at the people he's supposed to serve. His blatant evasiveness yesterday over the request for extra troops issue - on tv - was a good example. If he had any respect for the electorate he would heve been embarrassed into being truthful.

Popskihaynes (above/below) sees salvation of a sort in Cameron and his team. I see more of the same. Policies will be changed here and there, but the quality of governance will not be improved, because, like Labour, the Tories don't acknowledge the massive deficiencies in our democracy. Cameron will tinker here and there, and will heighten emphasis on transparency, but the changes will be little more than cosmetic. He is as much a prisoner of the party and privilege system as Brown, Blair, Major and et al were before him. And even if he did have revolutionary credentials he would still face the most intractable barrier: fear of change.

Action follows ideas, and when we have serious debate in the media about ideas that imply major change in the direction of enhancing democracy, guaranteeing transparency, recovering freedoms, the removal of privilege and all the paraphernalia associated with it, such as the various aristocratic titles, including Lords, Viscouts, Sirs etc; when we can finally see meaningful discussion about the pervasiveness of greed in our society; when we have politicians and theorists suggesting that for example no politician should ever serve more than two terms, that they shouldn't be paid more than the average wage, that campaigning expenses for parties should be reduced to zero so that they can be judged on performance alone and not on marketing; when issues such as these and many others receive a proper airing beyond discussion boards then the possibility of long overdue change will be within reach.

Until then, the best we'll get is repackaging of the old and discredited, and occasional economic booms to keep injustice off our minds.
ote for change
[info]steve41dog wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 12:23 pm (UTC)
you got my vote on these proposals: as my motto has bin for a long time 'keep it stupidly simple' and the seven main points here seem to fit well with this philosophy!

and, yes, I'm running as an independent candidate for bournemouth for those same reasons, just as soon as Our Gordon announces he's dissolving parliament (his choice and his alone unless we all tell him he's sacked!)!!!

if you wanna help setup this 'independent parliament', and forgive the self-promotion here but join the facebook group '20 million faebook users who wanna sack Gordon Brown!' and we can make it happen!

And yes, '12 years too late' as I feared 12 years' ago...
Here's the eigth way that will outperform the rest.
[info]buckpool wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 12:48 pm (UTC)
Vote for Scotland's independence.

Save 5 million people from Westminster's tyranny and use it to re-establish democracy for the remainder of the UK.
No change whatsoever!!
[info]elevengoalposts wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 12:53 pm (UTC)
Delivering change? And this bloke is complaining about failings of the current and previous PMs?
Where is the talk about a detailed action plan? Specific actions required to be undertaken, with resourcing and a schedule for when the deliverables must occur?
Why is it that politicians and the media are totally obsessed with policies? None of them seems capable of understanding what happens in the private sector.
You have to develop strategies, specific targets to be achieved and timings for the results to be delivered - all within budgets.
Actions are required and results achieved!
When does this ever happen with Brown. It is always "going to happen at some undetermined time in the future, never within a precise time-frame, as best estimated. That's why so many Chinooks have been sitting around for eight years waiting for someone to make firm decisions of precisely what must happen and by when.
If you want to summarise it, it is "all talk and no action".
If you want to know how it should happen, refer to the US Senate Committees where characters like Brown would be torn to shreds by their inquisitors - not the pussycats in the UK parliamentary committees, who are weak and have virtually no understanding of the subject matter they ask questions on. In short, they are a total embarrassment when an incompetent PM can fob them off with impunity.
Be clear about your agenda
[info]spaps24 wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 12:58 pm (UTC)
While I broadly agree with many of your suggestions for reform of Parliament, I think citing MoveOn and 38 degrees as exemplars is misleading. Both of these organisations have a clear lobbying agenda aligned to specific political issues, rather than being forces to promote and instigate 'change'.

Both organisations aim to generate support for their specific political ideals and agendas, they are not objective and well-balanced organisations, and they are not principally focused on delivering innovative institutional democratic change - as your article suggests.

MoveOn in particular concentrates a great deal of time and effort to convince readers to make donations (or campaign funds if you prefer) in order to support its own agenda. This isn't change, it is simply innovative political fund raising.
All this has already been thought through - The Plan
[info]gaiusmarcellus wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 02:06 pm (UTC)
All you have to do is read and put into effect "The Plan" by Carswell and Hannan
1. outlaw organised political gangs and demolish the Houses of Snouts
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 07:44 pm (UTC)
2. outlaw organised political gangs and demolish the Houses of Snouts
3. outlaw organised political gangs and demolish the Houses of Snouts
4. outlaw organised political gangs and demolish the Houses of Snouts
5. outlaw organised political gangs and demolish the Houses of Snouts
6. outlaw organised political gangs and demolish the Houses of Snouts
7. outlaw organised political gangs and demolish the Houses of Snouts
Re: 1. outlaw organised political gangs and demolish the Houses of Snouts
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 08:40 pm (UTC)
I;m thinking of Whoops Apocalypse when the Prime Minister had two aides publicly crucified... that would be a novel reform.
Re: 1. outlaw organised political gangs and demolish the Houses of Snouts
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 08:57 pm (UTC)
A Cromwell really is the only solution, but whereas in self-respecting banana republics the military can be relied on to intervene when government becomes an enemy of the State and of the people, mour military of officered by chinless jolly good chaps...

...It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes, have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd; your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse the Augean Stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings, and which by God's help and the strength He has given me, I now come to do.
I command ye, therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. You have sat here too long for the good you do...
7 ways to reform our system
[info]fdp100 wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 08:32 pm (UTC)
8 Vote Liberal Democrat and break the duopoly in Parliament.
The basic problem of our first past the post system is the distortion it brings between % of votes cast for each party and % of seats in parliament. Politics rather than becoming dysfunctional hsa become very sophisticated. Changes of Government between Labour and Tory are brought about by a quite small number of 'floating votes' in a small number of constituencies. Labour and Tories know through their 'Focus groups' that the profile of these floating voters is the typical Daily Mail reader. Hence Gordon Brown's obsession with vote winning headlines and the Tories election of a PR expert as their leader.
We have had 30 years of Thatcherite social and economic (loadsamoney) policies which have brought us to where we are. Only the Liberal Democrats have the will to make changes
Things to consider also.......
[info]rhysjaggar wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 09:03 pm (UTC)
1. What will the Americans do if yo do this?
2. Ditto the Saudis?
3. Ditto the Russians?
4. Ditto the EU?
5. Ditto the Chinese?
6. Ditto the Australians?
7. Ditto the South Africans?

I don't know the answer, but I fancy this action may need to be multinational, not just British.

Because no matter what the groundswell of international support might be, I wonder how much the politicos in power will appreciate it?
Time for action
[info]fishbase wrote:
Saturday, 18 July 2009 at 09:54 am (UTC)
If we're not very careful, this continual hand wringing over "What's to be done" will begin to look like weakness and indecision. We are, I believe, rapidly approaching the point where those of a progressive disposition must be seen to be taking action. We know something must be done. Where is the leadership to provide direction to the movement for change? Yes to 1000 meetings across the country; yes to all the campaigns in the 7/8-point plan. What are we waiting for? Let's go!
What's Good for the Celts is Good for the English.
[info]tremaine1 wrote:
Saturday, 18 July 2009 at 11:05 am (UTC)
Yes a new dawn in British governance is badly needed. We would do well to start with establishing a Parliament for England with the same powers as held by Holyrood. We should base this Parliament in Westminster and dismantle the ludicrous British government which has shown itself corrupt and ineffective. A UK Committee of some 30 members should then be st up to address truly British matters related to taxation and defence, leaving the English Parliament to address the needs of the Eng;lish people for contol of England'sown internal agenda. This English Parliament should have much fewer members than the Westminster talk- shop. It will, by definition, stop the outrageous practice of Scots voting on English matters, will rectify the disparity of treatment between the Scots elderly and the English elderly, end the unfairness of treatment between Scots and English students,and rectify the amount of money given to the Scots as compared to the English via the Barnett formula. More than anything it will allow the people of England sthe self-respect that comes from controlling their own affairs. Ask the Scots,they know. Let's be radical and let's be brave. Who will speak for England?
Democracy
[info]demoscience wrote:
Saturday, 18 July 2009 at 08:27 pm (UTC)
Mr Whittam-Smith,

Hopefully, many people will join these means for effecting change. But mass movements take some time to mobilise and you are talking about making reform happen before Mr Cameron gets in and emulates his three-term hero, Mr Blair, on a default electoral system the Tory party will not consider changing.

Re point 1, demanding a referendum on electoral reform. Alan Johnson wants a referendum on the Jenkins report recommendation of AV Top Up, a system designed, avowedly, to please the prevailing composition of Parliament, since eroded and soon to be obliterated.
AV+ was a system used nowhere on the planet, neither known nor wanted by anyone.
When the report came out, one Lib Dem supporter admitted on a newsgroup thread, in a moment of candor, that he had never met anyone in his party who thought it was a good system.
But it was all there was on offer.

Polly Toynbee reported last Friday at the Methodist hall meeting, that a referendum would ask, at the next general election, if the voters want electoral reform. And secondly whether they want AV+ or STV.

STV is the system that Labour's Plant commission excluded for allowing intra-party competition in Irish elections.
Essentially, STV is the system that allows prefering a free order of individual candidates within parties and across party lines, for some degree and kind of national unity. STV's electoral unity in liberty is
genuine representative democracy.

Since the Jenkins report, half a dozen more reports have come-out more r less in favor of STV. And STV has been shown to advantage against its main rival, the Additional Member system, when both systems were held on the same day in Scotland in may 2007.
This is why AV+ has been dug up again, despite the fact that no subsequent report supported AV+, tho some were asked by the government to consider it.

It would be difficult enough persuading an uninformed public that STV is the democratic voting system. But to fudge and confuse the issue with the novice AV+ is to make a laughing stock of reform.

It's as if the electoral reformers were a bakery that thought it might have to include some bread on the shelves that is not adulterated with chalk in order not to put customers off entirely.
This, when the present government is in no position to go on cheating the public of democracy, as it has done since Blair dictated, over a decade ago, that the closed list system would be used for British
Euro-elections, tho Ulster Euro-elections use STV's democratic PR without oligarchic party lists.



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