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Caroline Lucas: Forget the BNP. What about the planet?

The real success story of the European and local elections belongs to the Greens, who forge the way on environmental issues

There have been two big media stories of the 2009 elections: the demise of Labour and the rise of the BNP. Both were trailed heavily throughout the six weeks of the campaign. Both have received a good deal of attention since. But behind the headlines there's another story, a story that I would suggest offers Britain rather more hope than the other two: the rise of the Green Party.

In the European elections the Green Party increased its vote by 44 per cent compared with 2004. In both the South-east and the South- west, the Greens finished ahead of Labour. In Liverpool and Manchester the Greens finished ahead of the Conservatives. In the county elections fought on the same day, Green councillors broke through on to four more county councils. We won five more seats in Norfolk and another one in Lancashire. We out-polled all comers in Norwich and Oxford.

For the first time, the Greens are now within sight of winning seats at Westminster under first-past-the-post. Not many seats, but some. In the European elections we beat all the other parties across the three parliamentary constituencies of Brighton and Hove. In Brighton Pavilion, the seat I shall be contesting in the general election, we already hold a majority of the city council seats. I shall fight Brighton Pavilion to win.

We came first in Norwich in both the European and county elections. We hold a majority of seats in Norwich South, the seat to be contested by Green Party deputy leader Adrian Ramsay. Meanwhile, in Lewisham Deptford we came a close second to Labour. Lewisham Deptford will be contested for the Greens by Darren Johnson, the current chair of the London Assembly.

That we are on the brink of getting MPs into Westminster is good news, and not just for the Green Party. We are facing a triple crisis that the other parties still haven't quite got their heads round: the economic crisis, the climate crisis and the looming peak oil problem. According to a new report from a UN think tank, climate change is now reckoned to be killing 300,000 people, and damaging the world's economy to the tune of $125bn (£76bn), every year. So we urgently need to make prosperity sustainable in ecological terms. Who is going to do this?

Labour and the Conservatives are wedded to a neo-liberal ideology that insists market forces will solve problems that, for decades, market forces have demonstrably failed to address – not least the climate crisis. All around the world, people are calling for a Green New Deal. Gordon Brown gave us a so-called green stimulus package that on close inspection by the New Economics Foundation was only 0.6 per cent green. Far from selecting things that would create relatively large numbers of jobs quickly, like renewable energy and home insulation, Brown favoured things like nuclear and coal-fired power stations, which are not green and won't create jobs for many years, and even then will sustain far fewer jobs per megawatt than renewables would. This is what you get with a business-as-usual party.

Conversely, the Greens went into this year's elections with a manifesto calculated to create more than a million UK jobs within two to three years, while slashing CO2 emissions. For the Greens, it's never been about environment versus economics. It's always been about good economics, firmly rooted in social justice and sustainability, versus bad economics. The bad economics driven by the likes of Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair, whose economic policies have wreaked havoc on Britain's public services, threatened our NHS, widened the gulf between rich and poor and neglected the sustainability imperative.

Can we expect a big Green vote in the coming general election? I would hope so, because the Greens have a lot to offer the British public. Who else would re-nationalise the railways and slash national rail fares? Who else would re-regulate the buses and provide far more of them? Which party is solidly committed to keeping the Royal Mail as a public service, publicly owned and publicly accountable? Which party has worked out how to pay for a £165 weekly basic pension? And which party is committed to ending the scandal of PFI hospitals, restoring free eye tests and dental care, and providing far better maternity services?

These are policies that command a great deal of support in the UK, so the challenge facing the Greens is mostly about getting our message across. The Green Party is notoriously under-reported, which is why so few people know about our policies for social and economic justice and so many still see us as mere environmentalists. But I do believe our million-jobs manifesto has struck a chord with a lot of the voters. As well as a massive increase in vote share, the Green Party increased its membership by 12 per cent in the six weeks of the 2009 election campaign.

There's talk of a big protest vote at the next general election. But I hope it will be far more than a protest. I hope it will be a positive vote for a new vision. We need to restore what decades of Thatcherism and Blairism have destroyed. We need to transcend the boom-bust model of economics, to proof ourselves against another credit crunch and to put the British economy on a truly sustainable footing.

We need sweeping electoral reform to make British democracy more representative of the diversity of British people and their opinions. We want politicians to care about people, and people to care about politics.

With British politics in a greater state of turmoil than at any time for decades, there has never been a greater need for change, nor a greater opportunity to bring it about.

Caroline Lucas MEP is leader of the Green Party

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IMMIGRATION - the elephant in the room - YET SILENCE!
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 11:34 pm (UTC)
Nick Griffin states: "It's not even likely [for us to get into power]. But the more successful we become, the more opponents will have to co-opt our policies."

As horrible as Nick Griffin is, this statement is actually right. There has been a silence from all the main parties regarding the Labour's unfettered immigration policy. The trendy lefties have trained politicians to keep their mouths shut, even when doing so is an abdication of their responsibility to the British people. Anyone who walks down any street in the UK can see the seismic changes that have occurred to the very fabric of society because of massive and unsustainable immigration. And this is not immigration by healthy, skilled or cashed up immigrants either - quite the opposite - many are a drain on the British economy and heath service. One convicted Islamic terrorist has openly admitted that he keeps his family on social security because "it weakens the infidel" and his eight children will not have to "mix with the infidel". This is an important insight into the psychology of some immigrants whose religious convictions are incompatible with modern society.

The left claim that somehow we are all mistaken about Labour's open-door immigration policy. Well consider this FACT - 25% of all babies born in the UK are from mother who have been born overseas. 25% !

Unless the main parties STOP ignoring the elephant in the room and stop the masses of unskilled, poor and unhealthy people pouring into the UK on a daily basis then people will continue to vote for the likes of Nick Griffin. Immigration through arranged marriages (a sickening and outmoded religious custom) and "family reunion" enables many thousands to be admitted to the UK each year.

Australian or New Zealand models of immigration are already in place and work very effectively in providing the these countries with HIGH QUALITY, SKILLED, QUALIFIED and HEALTHY immigrants who do not harbour a natural hatred towards the west. WHY NOT THE UK?
For some VERY disturbing statistics see the following

http://www.migrationwatchuk.com/

Apart from the fact that Griffin os correct, the force which gave him his seat is angry Real Labour
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 09:19 am (UTC)
Organised quisling snouts and fellow travellers may believe it prudent to ignore BNP but are advised not to ignore the Real Labour groundswell that put BNP into 2 MEP seats, as warning shots across the bows of all quisling snouts. I find that there are growing numbers of instances such ar this: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/browse_thread/thread/de7a91a179472bec/294823d8a38833aa?lnk=raot , of Real Labour awakening, not only to the extent to which they have been betrayed , but of people's power to force remediation by one means or another http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3xhD03ORSI
HA HA
[info]sixxstring90 wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 12:17 am (UTC)
Ha ha ha. The Greens, considering the supposed alarmism about climate change failed miserably last week. It was the centre right, us vicious capitalists who slaughter babies in Germanic forests to our capitalistic demon gods, that progressed.

Mrs Lucas, I have sent you seven letters and four emails, and have yet to receive an answer to any of them when I provided pages of statistics showing that anthropogenic climate change is a myth. I pay for you, so answer my queries.

You also compared travelling to Spain with knifing someone. Do you expect people to take you seriously with that sort of ideological rubbish.

You are the typical 1980's English graduate with an interest on sociology. A sandal wearing, yoghurt drinking, muesli eating, soap dodging hypocrite.
Re: HA HA
[info]nilcarbarundum wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 07:56 am (UTC)
Climate change is like Pascal's arguement for belief in God, sixxstring90; would you prefer to be safe or sorry? I know what I'd rather be.

Besides, accumulating wealth beyond your needs is fairly pointless - you can't take it with you, after all.
Re: HA HA - [info]tominlondon - Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 11:08 am (UTC) Expand
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UN Report
[info]sixxstring90 wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 12:20 am (UTC)
HA HA HA... you use the UN report that even Kofi Annan has admitted is spurious. It really shows the weakness in green thinking. There is no difference between the Greens and the BNP. Both are fascistic nutjobs who believe in big government, Pigovian taxes and coercion. Then again so do all of the parties now the Tories have been turned into a wooly liberal social democratic party under Chameleon Cameron. Where is a libertarian party when we need one?
Forget The BNP.What about the planet?
[info]simonguk wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 12:27 am (UTC)
I agree and we should not give the nasty party any more exposure. Where was the same support and exposure for The Green party across Great Britain? It all got wasted on the BNP,and UKIP,if the press had given the unbiased coverage, expected; The Greens would have done even better because more would have bothered to vote,and understood the need to vote.
What about it???
[info]famulla wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 03:15 am (UTC)
Is that not the party in India, Benjamin Nut Party.
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla
Nuclear Energy
[info]pauljs wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 04:30 am (UTC)
I think it very disappointing that the author, and presumably many of her followers still cling to the illusion that nuclear power is not eco-friendly. As an engineer it seems to me that a form of power that produces no carbon emmissions yet can provide the massive amounts of power reuired for the 21st century world in which we live is inherently green.
I appreciate the concerns about what to do with nuclear waste, but it seems eminently sensible to bury it safely as that is where it came from in the first place.
As to the concerns that the building of nuclear power plants generates enough CO2 to negate the savings made through their lifespan, maybe this should be balanced by considering the amount of CO2 generated during the building of wind farms etc., I have read that it will take 25 years of peak power production for a wind turbine to balance the amount of CO2 released during it's construction.
As an island nation it would be more sensible to be using the power of the tides to provide a lot of our energy needs, this could also be incorporated with the measures needed to protect the country from any future rise in sea levels.
The Green Party needs to take on board a more balanced viewpoint which will enable it to produce policies which will actually work. It is all very well saying that pollution must be reduced, but they must provide feasible, practical, and efficient alternatives.
Re: Nuclear Energy
[info]nilcarbarundum wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 08:10 am (UTC)
I agree with you, but after Chernobyl (sp?), Windscale and Three Mile Island, not to mention last week's debacle, people are always going to be leary of nuclear power.

Storage in the ground is also problematic; how do you prevent isotopes from entering the water-table? How will the local populace react to being told a large pile of potentially fissible material is effectively in their cellars?

As much as it grates to say it (I'm a biology undergrad) tide power is a good idea - but wave power is better; give the latter a few years, most of the university MechEnge departments in the country seem to have something in the works
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Climate Change
[info]sandn09 wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 07:25 am (UTC)
Perhaps The Independent could do a follow-up of the studies, initiated by a commission of the US House of Representatives and in The Royal Society, into the millions of dollars paid by just one multinational Corporation to scientists and pseudo-scientists to publish false information about global change because when it is accepted it will decrease the corporations profits.
[info]sofiero wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 07:25 am (UTC)
A misleading title perhaps. It is not a choice between the one or the other. The rise of rightwing nationalism is a sinister threat to Europe(I exclude SNP and other non-European nationalist movements such as IA of Greenland). If I were living in England I would be frightened by the BNP success as well as by the apathy of English and other European voters. It is surely time for national governments to embrace our European identity (for all of the disorder, corruption, etc of some EU organisations, it looks like that is what we must work on) and keep reminding ourselves why the EU was and is necessary.

PRep may help democracy whilst making BNP AND the Greens more visible. PRep type democracy, as shown by Denmark, does not mean the end of polarisation. The rightwing, anti-foreign party of Denmark is THE powerful force in that country which dominates govt. policy. Only real ontheground living, working and mixing in the areas of the "disenchanted" by Green and alternative liberal/left M(E)Ps may build support for them......the BNP is close to its constituents...personally and politically and socially. In this way BNP is old fashioned and that may be part of its appeal......one very important thing to learn from them??? The emergence of a political class(as demonstrated by the expenses debacle...and presumably an upcoming one on EU personnel, politicians, etc as we look on the Kinnock pension schemes) demonstrates the alienation of constituents from their political reps on too many levels. The BNP is close physically, socially....and that is certainly one of its great strenghts. Its genuine proximity (the cuddle factor) to its voters and, much more dangerous, to the disenchanted and cynical and embittered wouldbe voters is a source of its strength. So do not forget about the BNP. They are a threat to the planet, to peace and to democracy. Appeasement or passivity are nogoers.
Europe and the White Elephant
[info]sofiero wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 07:52 am (UTC)
(ref to richardm30)
And European countries must fight for a common immigrationand refugee policy ...only by social democracies and humanist taking the lead here can this elephant be deflated to mouse.
At the moment countries conduct their own often both inhuman, populistic and inconsistent politices reg refugees. In Italy and Romania the persecution of the Romany is a human scandal and tragedy which the EU looks passively upon. In Denmark xenophobic lawgiving forces Sweden to take in those split families, including fully fledged Danish ones, to flee to their regions. Suspicion the Other is close tothe norm in Danish society unfortunately. It comes acreeping.
A common, evenly distributed, and evenly financed genuinely European policy would take some of the wind out of BNP type organisations. It would also show those voters who feel unsafe and lost that attention is paid to their anxieties...without simple populistic, scapegoating lawgiving.
It might seem at times almost too easy to get into the EU if one looks at its core Enlightenment values...it is tragically ironic that Turkey is refused entry whilst at least one EU country is well behind in human rights record when compared to that country......a fanciful question perhaps might be ..... it possible to be thrown out of the EU for infringement of democratic values??
Arguement, not advertisement
[info]nilcarbarundum wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 08:16 am (UTC)
Mrs Lucas, as much as I voted for you in the last elections, if I wanted to read party political I would have gone to your, admittedly excellent, website. The Opinion pages are for the initiaton of (not always) genuine, sensible and friendly debate (as I would like to remind some of the posters here); not shallow self advertisement.
Yippeeee!!! I Agree lets forget the BNP
[info]soaring_eagle1 wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 08:16 am (UTC)
Thank god a voice of reason and sense at last.

I voted Green and I really do believe that they are the only way, I used to vote Liberal, before the became democrats, a foolish name because they wouldn't know what democracy was if it stood up and hit them in the face.

Great article and for a change not a sneering tee hee type interview.

The Green Party is well on its way now and if Britain wakes up and stops slumbering in the slough of despond the other parties have left us in. There is nothing to be scared of in a green government, it is different and it will take a little bit of getting used too. Thankfully I am already there and living a self sufficient life, not using a car; Walking and using public transport, admittedly at present it isn't the cheapest and most comfortable way of getting about sometimes, but this will definitely change under the Green Party for the best possible use for everyone.

I am head of heels and cock-a-hoop over the growing move towards really caring for people and our wonderful planet.

WAKE UP and GROWN UP deniers of Climate Change, you will be the useless articles crying and snivelling into their hankies when they are caught out and unprepared to survive when oil runs out and gas and heating bills are so expensive you cannot heat your houses, food is not available because there is no transport to carry it to you. I'm alright though and I am living a very happy less complicated very happy life and I am not all worried about the climate, energy or transport problems.

Wouldn't you like to live a stress free and fun filled life like my family and friends?
Re: Yippeeee!!! I Agree lets forget the BNP
[info]colinru wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 11:00 am (UTC)
I see that, because I doubt the accuracy of the IPCC Models; I need to wake up and grown up. Perhaps you will explain to me why the Models have not predicted Global Temperatures since 1997? Since this is so, why should I believe them! If you believe we will run out of fossil fuel energy (you have to be correct eventually), I presume you will, unlike C. Lucas, support Nuclear Fission Power whilst we prove all the renewables (including Fusion) at iindustrial scale?
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Are people really interested enough to do without
[info]mishmos wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 11:12 am (UTC)
Will people really put their money where their mouths are and start to do without. Will politicians be honest enough to tell us what is really needed to be done.
I doubt either of these will become a reality unfortunately.
Re: people not really interested enough to do without
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 11:30 am (UTC)
the danger is that even though Real angry Britain is getting to its feet, thirty two years of blatcherist government has created what may be an uncontrollable monster that that dutifully consumes, consumes and consumes, anything and everything within sight , because of decades of top down training to the effect that the good citizen is above all else a gluttonous planet-buster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8
Nuclear not green and sustains less jobs
[info]colinru wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 11:23 am (UTC)
Nuclear is "green" from a CO2 emissions point and the reason that it sustains less jobs is because it is more efficient as a means of Production. This Comment by C. Lucas shows that not only does she not understand Engineering but she thinks it better to employ people less efficiently - Socialism in action, in other words.
(no subject) - [info]mishmos - Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 11:35 am (UTC)
whatever else you do or don't care about you should care
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 11:55 am (UTC)
that you have for thirty two years been governed by quislings, far more interested in the well-being of organised economic crime syndicates and of oil companies, than the well-being of you and/or of planet earth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8
"Thatcherism and Blairism" - why not spit it out?
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 12:09 pm (UTC)
The term in common usage is Blatcherism, reflecting the fact that the two phenomena implied by you are in fact two phases of the one
(that was ongoing until a recent failed coup by Blatcherism and with luck will now be eradicated as vigourously and thoroughly as was Baath influence in Iraq, where bloodstained Blatcherists supported the use of murder squads). An alternative descriptor with very similar meaning and the same implications in terms of a criminal trial, is of course 'quisling' as a prefix of 'government'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8
Job creation
[info]ponder81 wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 12:33 pm (UTC)
Your jobs remark shows a remarkable lack of understanding of economics. Jobs are a *cost* - people need paying. If a technology requires more jobs to achieve the same end that implies that it's inefficient and expensive.

You could make a case that it's still more efficient than having people unemployed - but it should still be done in the most efficient way. You could create jobs be paying some people to go round breaking windows and then some more people to fix them, but that doesn't make it sensible.
Green day
[info]thegonzokid wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 01:50 pm (UTC)
Green vote up 44% It's a shame this didn't lead to any new Green MEPs.

The Guardian was correct when it called the Green Party a "refuge for the progressive left". The Greens have been ahead of the game on political, economic, social and environmental sustainability for years. Keep up the good work!
Re: Green day
[info]colin_brown wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 07:10 pm (UTC)
'Progressive Left' is hardy a term one owns up to. Do you understand what a PL is?
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Re: Community Policing
[info]colin_brown wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 07:16 pm (UTC)
Fascists go around beating people up for displaying overt support of the democratic process. Therefore, do you remain resolute in your opinion, that Griffin is indeed a fascist?
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Forget the BNP.
[info]rayatcov wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 07:18 pm (UTC)
Those pesky nationalists:-
First, they they decide that they don't like foreign influence or foreign governments.
Then, they start to preach against these foreign things.
Next thing you know, they have a following.
Then the following grows.
Then come the civil disobedience campaigns.
and before you know it, there's upheaval and they toss out the foreigners.
Of course, I'm referring here to the Nationalist Ghandi, not the Nationalist Griffin.
Finance Policy
[info]scousekraut wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 07:30 pm (UTC)
By fat the best policy of the Green Party is their Monetary Policy. This can be found under Economy on their website and includes EC660-667. Here they give an outline on how the banking system would be made to work for the benefit of the economy instead of finance.

They have policies on giving more power to local governments. Also good.

What is not good is the continued basis of their economic policy on climate change and so-called sustainable development. Peak oil is a myth. There are huge oil fields in Alaska, Montana and other places just sitting there. Since 1971 when the USA came off the gold standard oil has been used as a political weapon, just like gold has been for so many years. Oil is not a free market and it is most certainly not running out.

Basing so many policies on such a contentious theory as CO2 is causing the world to warm up a bit is irresponsible. Also I cannot find any policy on immigration. Some other policies look a bit Stalinist to me. On the whole a strange mixture of real democracy and communism.
Symptom versus cause
[info]hetopi123 wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 07:32 pm (UTC)
Climate change? Anthropogenic global warming is a myth propagated by the global elite to further their cause of global corporate anglo-saxon hegemony. Of course we should care for our planet. However, the illnesses our planet faces are merely symptomatic of our unhealthy way of doing economics. We need to change our values first, then our way of doing business and understanding economic life. That way we will address the cause of our unhealthy relationship to the planet. Slashing Green House emissions merely deals with a symptom.
The first online Green Group meeting?
[info]flibberdy wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 08:45 pm (UTC)
Caroline -

When the Green Group decides to organise a Group week online, turning its back on the expenses that MEPs would get from attending a physical meeting and setting the ecological standard for the Parliament, we will certainly start paying attention to you. I promise.
TONY BALIRE IS COMING BACK LIKE IT OR NOR WITH AL GORE THIS TIME
[info]famulla wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 01:25 am (UTC)
Half of Labour members want Tony Blair back.
I guess they are like me. I always make mistake when I spell Tony Blaire and Dell Carnegie says to a man his name is most important. Even the dogs like good names. Nevertheless, will Tony Blaire come after a very long holiday in the Red Sea and the breeze of the Mediterranean? Even St. Peters is playing games with Windows and doors
Bill Gates goes to purgatory.
St. Peter says, "Now Bill, you have done some good things, and you have done some bad things. Now I am going to let you decide where you want to go".
First, St. Peter shows Bill an image of Hell with beautiful women running on beaches. Then, St Peter shows Bill an image of Heaven with robed angels playing harps on clouds.
Bill chooses Hell.
About a week later, St. Peter checks in on Bill in Hell and finds him being whipped by demons.
Bill says to St. Peter, "What happened to all the beautiful women and the beaches?"
St. Peter replies, "That was just the screen saver."
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Forget The BNP.What about the planet?
[info]briancosworth wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 07:54 pm (UTC)
Why forget the BNP? They seem to have very real and very green solutions to environmental problems, should anyone actually bother to read up on their environmental agenda. And while they are at it they will put control of British resources into British ownership and British workers' hands. All the Greens want to do is keep us in Europe and follow more left wing agendas. No thanks
[info]duncanmcfarlane wrote:
Monday, 15 June 2009 at 10:52 pm (UTC)
One of the solutions to the problems of climate change and beating the BNP is the same for both - create jobs by public investment in green energy technologies and electric cars.

As for immigration the idea that it's a problem or uncontrolled is the reverse of the truth - genuine refugees are being sent back to their deaths. The BNP is not right on immigration, it's claims on it are wild fantasy.

For more details and sources proving these claims see
http://inplaceoffear.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-beat-bnp-stop-pandering-to.html
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