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Derk Stokmans: The dilemma facing mainstream Dutch parties

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The scenario that many Dutch politicians feared has become a reality.

The resounding success of Geert Wilders in the European elections riled the continent but it is here in the Netherlands that the ramifications will be most keenly felt. Mr Wilders says his victory is a condemnation of the current coalition, comprised of the Christian Democrats, the Labour Party and a small orthodox Christian party. They, of course, deny that's the case, and point to low turnout and all kinds of other incidental and European causes that have nothing to do with national politics.

But behind the scenes, many political parties are more worried than ever. Up until the vote on Thursday, Mr Wilder's opponents were able to publicly disregard the rising popularity of the right-winger by highlighting the fickleness of the opinion polls. They have abandoned that argument now. The mainstream politicians hoped that the people who said they would vote for Mr Wilders would not actually show up at the polls. But they did, and might do so again.

His fans have made it clear that they are not just driven by his anti-European agenda, so it's plausible that they will turn out for the 2010 local elections and national elections scheduled for 2011.

One of the main attractions is Mr Wilder's anti-Islamic stance, but he has also wooed voters generally disaffected with the political system. That he understands this, can be seen by his recent frontal attack on the "moral disintegration of the Dutch elite of politicians, judges, civil servants and journalists", who he sees as responsible for everything wrong in Dutch society.

The mainstream political parties have been struggling for two years to find a satisfactory answer to his attacks. Conditioned by generations of participating in coalition governments, they find it difficult to break traditional habits of forging compromises with political opponents, and are uncomfortable with a more confrontational style of politics. This makes them easy targets for Mr Wilders, who ridicules their consensus seeking, and portrays them as weak, ineffective and oblivious to the concerns of "ordinary people".

Ministers from the Labour Party, beaten into third place this election, have already vowed to step up attacks on Mr Wilders, whom they (and all the other parties in parliament) see as a divisive, negative force in Dutch society. Dutch voters will soon see if his competitors can beat the rule-changing politician at his own game.

Derk Stokmans is the Political Editor of the Dutch newspaper, NRC Handelsblad

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Dutch Election Results.
[info]gwilliamm wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 03:07 am (UTC)
This is a clear warning to all the muslim appeasing politicians in Europe ignore your own people at your peil.
Geert Wilders
[info]mushy_pease wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 05:38 am (UTC)
Geert Wilders is portrayed in the headlines of your paper and others as a right-wing extremist. Yet he wants the Netherlands to remain in the EU as an economic trading bloc. He wants less power for Brussels and, just like Margaret Thatcher, Wilders' mantra is "We want our money back". On Europe therefore he isn't as extreme as UKIP or indeed a significant portion of the British Conservative party. There's been a significant rise of disaffection with the Dutch political system among voters for several years now. The previous beneficary of this protest vote was Pim Fortuyn who was also dismissed as a right-wing racist. Wilders will garner votes as long as he doesn't have to govern.
moral disintegration
[info]isaacbrown wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 06:13 am (UTC)
Substitute the word "Dutch" by "British" in the quote "moral disintegration of the Dutch elite of politicians, judges, civil servants and journalists" - and it reflects the situation in the UK. Let us hope this is a beginning of the cleansing of Islam out of Europe.
a sensible debate is needed
[info]publunch99 wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 06:36 am (UTC)
We need a sensible debate about how Islam and modern western democracy can fit together. There are prima facie problems, perhaps most notably to do with the status of women. On the other hand, Islam may have some way of helping us in our credit-crunched usury-ridden society.

At the moment the headlines are being grabbed by Wilders and by the Taliban. I do not aspire to an uncritical acceptance of the faith, nor an uncritical rejection of all its precepts. I would like the compassionate voice of Islam to speak up, and for papers like The Independent to help it be heard.
Truth
[info]over325one wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 07:03 am (UTC)
Whyt is wrong with stating that we just don't need religious fanatics. Moslems are a drain on western societies. Who is it that threatens comic writers with death? Who is it that blow themselves and innocent people up? Who is it who have no tolerance? Do we actually need the agravation. They should stay in their own countries but then they would be starving, downtrodden and under dictatorships.
why are they called extremists?
[info]jerusalem1 wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 08:34 am (UTC)
Why is it when politicians call a spade - a spade - they're immediately branded by analysts and media - extremists, far-right ( oh, that sounds sinister), and when a left-winger talks about his illusions( UK is good? It can be so much better! - vintage Tony Blair. Yes , we can! Barak New Messiah Obama. Power to the people - John Lennon. Now even a room maid can govern the country - V.I. Lenin.) and throws empty lofty slogans around is called - a visionary, peacemaker, a man of vision and hope. etc?
Why does media hold voters and general public in such contempt? Do you mean to say that when people are genuinely worried about their own country,their home, their culture, traditions etc. it is extremism?
Extremism is Hugo Chavez or Ahmadenidjad or N.Korean leader. Wilders who stands for hard work, Christian values, respect of any newcomer to the law of his land, less centralization, less EU interference, more business freedom - is an extremist? I guess we're living in a world where reality doesn't matter anymore, only slogans from media do. This is a media communism , same like in the USSR people were told - you live in the freeist, happiest place in the world, and they were made believe that. Is the West going the same path now?
Re: why are they called extremists?
[info]treenonpoet wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 10:17 pm (UTC)
In UK media, including BBC radio and TV, Wilders is often described as vile, despicable, etc. I have followed English translations of Wilders' speeches and I have yet to come across justification of such adjectives. In a pioneering sense, the word 'extreme' might be applicable, but in the sense of going too far in a political direction (as suggested by the word 'extremist'), the word is more applicable to those in Britain who would deny Wilders entry into the UK, and to those in the Netherlands who would have him prosecuted.
History repeats itself
[info]findempire wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 08:51 am (UTC)
The Anne Frank schmaltz notwithstanding (The Dutch incomprehensibly brag about the fact that a little Jewish girl hiding in a hole was handed over to the Nazis by her Dutch neighbors), Holland is the most Judenrein (Jew-free) country in Europe, thanks to the high efficiency of the Dutch authorities and citizenry for the Eindlösung (final solution), surpassing even the Germans.

Today's Jews are the Muslims, blamed for everything from unemployment to crime to Jihadi terrorism. The ugly face of fascism is once again welcome in Europe. Italians love it. The EU welcomes Jew-hating Nazi Latvia with its goose-stepping SS veterans and the fascist Croatian Ustashe in its midst without hesitation. Northern European fascism is once again alive and well, from Denmark to Holland to Belgium. In the UK, the spirit of Mosley lives on in the BNP and UKIP. Franco's fans are unrepentant in Spain and the hundreds of thousands he murdered & torured are never mentioned. Fortunately the center - France and Germany - still holds. Those countries have faced their Holocaust crimes and were chastened, the others never did.

Albert Camus's novel The Plague is a parable of fascism. In it he says that fascism is like plague rats, once they get into a town they never leave, lurking forever in the sewers. In Europe it looks like the rats are once again coming out for a big street party.
Sounds rather like attacks on the BNP in Britain
[info]old_green wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 10:04 am (UTC)

"...he has also wooed voters generally disaffected with the political system. That he understands this, can be seen by his recent frontal attack on the "moral disintegration of the Dutch elite of politicians, judges, civil servants and journalists", who he sees as responsible for everything wrong in Dutch society.

"The mainstream political parties have been struggling for two years to find a satisfactory answer to his attacks. ...Mr Wilders, who ridicules their consensus seeking, and portrays them as weak, ineffective and oblivious to the concerns of "ordinary people".

"Ministers from the Labour Party, beaten into third place this election, have already vowed to step up attacks on Mr Wilders, whom they (and all the other parties in parliament) see as a divisive, negative force in Dutch society. Dutch voters will soon see if his competitors can beat the rule-changing politician at his own game."

He could be writing this about Britain, Greece, Denmark, France, etc.

What we are actually reading about is a Europe-wide disenchantment of voters with the pro-EU political consensus - particularly the working class in al these countries.

Why don't we see our papers writing about how the working class feel shut out of Europe, because it's obviously a continent-wide phenomenon. Do we have to wait until people riot, as they did in Greece, and then several other European countries?
The pro-EU consensus is more fascist than the new Right
[info]old_green wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 10:17 am (UTC)
Perhaps it's time to remember Mussolini's claim that 'Fascism should more properly be called Corporatism' and that Fascism was the marriage of corporate finance with state power. He was brought to power through the backing of the banks, and he repaid this with favours. He called Fascism the 'Third Way'. He pioneered PFI. He privatised the railways and the post office. He started colonial wars abroad. Sound like anyone we know?

Apparently, all this is now called moderate.

It's a similar story all over Europe.

Strangely enough, many voters don't really want it. How unreasonable. That must make them extremists.
To be against muslim influx to Europe is NOT to hate muslims
[info]rex123 wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 11:26 am (UTC)
Why is that people mix notions? Islam is the word of God for those who feel it important for religion to control politics, law, human behavior patterns, family life, buisiness methods and social life - there always will be such people and the God have addressed their hearts and their nature....But there are other people who understand that religion is a personal matter and so (even being religious themselves) speak for separation of church from the state citing Jesus who said "Give to Ceasor what belongs to Ceasoe and give to the Gog what belongs to the God" - here in Europe those people got secular system which can exelently coexist with Christianity or for ex. Budhism...Not so with Islam which is not just religion - Islam if becoms majority inevirably impose its rules on the whole society - it is absolutelly normal for some societies in Asia where people choose it to be so - but it contradicts to what Europe and Christianity is about...I want to be friends with muslims and to respect their obedience to the God, but I also want to have the right to be respected as a Christian and so to live in secular state where I am free to confess my Christian religion and not to obey rules of Islam (starting from dress code etc, etc...)...My point is that I want to love muslims as neighbours in their countries, but I don't want to live among them because it is possible only playing by their rules...Well, if 2 people get divorce - it doesn't mean that one is good and another one is bad - they both are good probably but their marriage is not blessed by the God - so it is better for them to be good friends living separatelly rather then live in one house and hate each other - isn't it clear? Why there are so many substituting of notions in this question, why people don't understand that Islam is not religion for secular state? Turkey is secular of convinience - they want to pretend secular to get to EU - once they are in - they will show you their real face...Islam permits its adherents to comply with European rules as long as they are minority - but everythin will change the moment they'll grow in numbers for there will be different commandments for them to follow in such situation...And you should not blame muslims (they do and they will do what the Quaran demands) - you should blame politicians who provide for influx of muslims to Europe and thus facilitating for future troubles, perhaps bloodshed and ultimatelly decline of secularism and all the human rights, women rights etc. etc. connected to what we know as secular and democratic Europe of our days...
Not Rascist, not Paranoia
[info]kiphamilton wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 02:44 pm (UTC)
Frankly, I have no interest whatsoever in the race of someone who believes in the ultra conservative philosophy of Islam. European convert or Middle Eastern native, it makes no difference to me. It is the philosophy I object to. As for paranoia, when terrorist acts are committed all over the world by those who proclaim those acts done in the name of Islam, don't call us paranoid when we take them at their word. Some say that radical Islam is not Islam. Bin Laden would argue with that. It is whatever those who believe in it want it to be- so for some it is a religion of peace, for others in is a Jew hating, Infidel hating all consuming philosophy of violence. It is only a matter of percentages. For me, the percentage of radical Muslims is becoming ever more dangerous to the liberal (yes, liberal) values of the west.
Already Freedoms have been compromised
[info]kiphamilton wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 03:04 pm (UTC)
One more thing- due to Islamist pressures, certain freedoms are already being compromised in the west. I heard a Dutch government spokesman actually say, concerning the prosecution of Wilders for hate speech, "While freedom of speech is taken very seriously in the Netherlands, it does not give the right to offend". Sorry, but yes it does. Please tell me Mr. Dutchman, the speech which does not offend anyone which needs protecting?
As long as the speech does not purposely incite violence or is libelous, it is, in fact, speech which offends which needs protecting. Speech which does not offend usually needs no protection, as no one would take offence. And, by the way, the application of hate speech laws in Europe seem to be a bit one sided. Have there been any Imams charged with anti-Jewish hate speech, in spite of recorded evidence? Maybe there are, but I haven't heard of any as of yet.
Paranoya?...Maybe selfdiagnose?
[info]rex123 wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 03:37 pm (UTC)
Hey, scu1rture, who is saying about minority % taking control?...People here are conserned with INFLUX of more and more muslims to Europe...that is not that smth. should be made with existing minority, the agenda is to prevent this minority to become majority...and some counts show that given current immigration trend will continier- by the middle of this century Europe will be muslim 50% and by the end of century non-muslims will become minority...Don't you know that there are already towns in UK with muslim majority over there?...Have not you heard about their demands for sharia courts for family matters for muslim communities in UK, or about there demands in France that those suburbs of Paris which are now populated mainly by muslims be excluded from French police control so that only muslim-french police officers be authorised to patrol there?...And remember - according to Quaran the territory of Islam is everywhere where muslim majority lives - not are you afraid if they will effectively declear independance of that or another suburb within your national borders and start jihad from there (like they did in Chechnya)?... And again, I am not blaming muslims for that - they do it within their teaching which is the word of God...it is only that the God has given this Word for other regions of this world and for other types of national psyche taking into account that His followers in Roman Empire would accept the Bible and their decendants would stick to it...if those decendants (that is you) fail to do it - He will not protect you from the followers of His much more strict Law and much less liberal one (Quaran I mean) ...Where is racism here?...I respect Islam as the word of God, albeit as a Christian I want it to florish where it belongs...Stop muslim immigration to Europe as well as stop hate of muslims!...Blame your politicians, not muslims!...And what is probably even more important - wreck your brains before posting here...
Tax them
[info]clothcap wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 12:51 pm (UTC)
The place for any believers in an alternate universe where gods, goblins, ghosts, angels, CO2 and the host of other fantasies conjured by those who wish to profit from ignorance is far from schools and politics. Religion is nothing more than a back door entry to politics and the power lust of the unentitled must be resisted. That includes the big companies, royalty and other moneyed by birth or good fortune and foreign powers that have far to much say in what happens to everyday folk, not just in the UK. That it takes extremists to see this is a reflection not on the people but on those in power.
A start would be to remove the charitable status of all religions. They are no more entitled to have tax relief than people who believe in flying saucers or that CO2 is harmful to life.
Re: Tax them
[info]rex123 wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 11:50 am (UTC)
What's the use of all your theories, philosopher? Go to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia and try to preach your atheism there - I'll see how long you'll last...The problem is that you (or your kids) may face the same situation as over there in your own town within several decades if immigration policy will not be changed...CO2! CO2!...

Columnist Comments

andrew_grice

Andrew Grice: Enough of the philosophy, Mr Cameron.

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christina_patterson

Christina Patterson: Very nice - but forgiveness is overrated

Sometimes, as Lydon sang, in his post Sex Pistols band, 'anger is an energy.'

mary_dejevsky

Mary Dejevsky: Why not call Blair now and wrap it up?

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