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Robert Fisk’s World: Everyone seems to be agreeing with Bin Laden these days

Only Obama, it seems, fails to get the message that we’re losing Afghanistan

Obama and Osama are at last participating in the same narrative. For the US president's critics – indeed, for many critics of the West's military occupation of Afghanistan – are beginning to speak in the same language as Obama's (and their) greatest enemy.

There is a growing suspicion in America that Obama has been socked into the heart of the Afghan darkness by ex-Bushie Robert Gates – once more the Secretary of Defence – and by journalist-adored General David Petraeus whose military "surges" appear to be as successful as the Battle of the Bulge in stemming the insurgent tide in Afghanistan as well as in Iraq.

No wonder Osama bin Laden decided to address "the American people" this week. "You are waging a hopeless and losing war," he said in his 9/11 eighth anniversary audiotape. "The time has come to liberate yourselves from fear and the ideological terrorism of neoconservatives and the Israeli lobby." There was no more talk of Obama as a "house Negro" although it was his "weakness", bin Laden contended, that prevented him from closing down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. In any event, Muslim fighters wold wear down the US-led coalition in Afghanistan "like we exhausted the Soviet Union for 10 years until it collapsed". Funny, that. It's exactly what bin Laden told me personally in Afghanistan – four years before 9/11 and the start of America's 2001 adventure south of the Amu Darya river.

Almost on cue this week came those in North America who agree with Obama – albeit they would never associate themselves with the Evil One, let alone dare question Israel's cheerleading for the Iraqi war. "I do not believe we can build a democratic state in Afghanistan," announces Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who chairs the senate intelligence committee. "I believe it will remain a tribal entity." And Nancy Pelosi, the House Speaker, does not believe "there is a great deal of support for sending more troops to Afghanistan".

Colin Kenny, chair of Canada's senate committee on national security and defence, said this week that "what we hoped to accomplish in Afghanistan has proved to be impossible. We are hurtling towards a Vietnam ending".

Close your eyes and pretend those last words came from the al-Qa'ida cave. Not difficult to believe, is it? Only Obama, it seems, fails to get the message. Afghanistan remains for him the "war of necessity". Send yet more troops, his generals plead. And we are supposed to follow the logic of this nonsense. The Taliban lost in 2001. Then they started winning again. Then we had to preserve Afghan democracy. Then our soldiers had to protect – and die – for a second round of democratic elections. Then they protected – and died – for fraudulent elections. Afghanistan is not Vietnam, Obama assures us. And then the good old German army calls up an air strike – and zaps yet more Afghan civilians.

It is instructive to turn at this moment to the Canadian army, which has in Afghanistan fewer troops than the Brits but who have suffered just as ferociously; their 130th soldier was killed near Kandahar this week. Every three months, the Canadian authorities publish a scorecard on their military "progress" in Afghanistan – a document that is infinitely more honest and detailed than anything put out by the Pentagon or the Ministry of Defence – which proves beyond peradventure (as Enoch Powell would have said) that this is Mission Impossible or, as Toronto's National Post put it in an admirable headline three days' ago, "Operation Sleepwalk". The latest report, revealed this week, proves that Kandahar province is becoming more violent, less stable and less secure – and attacks across the country more frequent – than at any time since the fall of the Taliban in 2001. There was an "exceptionally high" frequency of attacks this spring compared with 2008.

There was a 108 per cent increase in roadside bombs. Afghans are reporting that they are less satisfied with education and employment levels, primarily because of poor or non-existent security. Canada is now concentrating only on the security of Kandahar city, abandoning any real attempt to control the province.

Canada's army will be leaving Afghanistan in 2011, but so far only five of the 50 schools in its school-building project have been completed. Just 28 more are "under construction". But of Kandahar province's existing 364 schools, 180 have been forced to close. Of progress in "democratic governance" in Kandahar, the Canadian report states that the capacity of the Afghan government is "chronically weak and undermined by widespread corruption". Of "reconciliation" – whatever that means these days – "the onset of the summer fighting season and the concentration of politicians and activists for the August elections discouraged expectations of noteworthy initiatives...".

Even the primary aim of polio eradication – Ottawa's most favoured civilian project in Afghanistan – has defeated the Canadian International Development Agency, although this admission is cloaked in truly Blair-like (or Brown-like) mendacity. As the Toronto Star revealed in a serious bit of investigative journalism this week, the aim to "eradicate" polio with the help of UN and World Health Organisation money has been quietly changed to the "prevention of transmission" of polio. Instead of measuring the number of children "immunised" against polio, the target was altered to refer only to the number of children "vaccinated". But of course, children have to be vaccinated several times before they are actually immune.

And what do America's Republican hawks – the subject of bin Laden's latest sermon – now say about the Afghan catastrophe? "More troops will not guarantee success in Afghanistan," failed Republican contender and ex-Vietnam vet John McCain told us this week. "But a failure to send them will be a guarantee of failure." How Osama must have chuckled as this preposterous announcement echoed around al-Qa'ida's dark cave.

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Canadian Update
[info]libertarian09 wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 01:53 am (UTC)
Thanks Robert for the update of progress in the Canadian mission. All I get from the media in Canada is what a great deal we are accomplishing in Afghanistan. I have opposed our involvement there (or anywhere else for that matter) from the beginning and look forward to the day the mission ends. I could never understand how anybody thought NATO would be able to control this country. When I hear our leaders telling me a couple of thousand of our boys were going to succeed where half a million Russians had failed I don't know whether to laugh or cry
(no subject) - [info]abcuk - Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 04:27 pm (UTC)
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We don't live there
[info]49niner wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 07:39 am (UTC)
At the risk of repeating myself, as the late Enoch Powell said about the US in Vietnam, that they wouldn't win because "they don't live there". Fast-forward 40 years and the same message needs saying loud and clear - "We don't live in Afghanistan, so we won't win this futile war".

The only sensible course is to plan an exit strategy. The alternative is simply a humiliating retreat like Saigon in 1975. That really would be the worst of all worlds.

Why do successive British governments support foreign wars in places far removed from where we live, and where we have questionable legitimacy? That is the REAL question for now, and for the future.
Origins of 9/11
[info]quicklan wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 08:23 am (UTC)
All this seems to make more sense if you consider that 9/11 was initiated and executed by the US itself and that Bin Landen is just a pawn in the game. I've seen several reports on the 9/11 issues both conspiratory and non-conspiratory and it seems scientifically impossible that the towers collapsed on the simple impact of a plane. A B25 bomber crashed into the 78th Floor of the Empire States building on July 28, 1945... they just repaired it !
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Re: Origins of 9/11 - [info]palestinian_ian - Wednesday, 23 September 2009 at 03:13 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Origins of 9/11=age of lies as with iraq war. - [info]freedon4sale - Monday, 21 September 2009 at 09:29 am (UTC) Expand
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Corporate Wars
[info]rhinocircus wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 09:07 am (UTC)
The ideology is capitalism--by military means. "Democracy" is the pretext for waging these corporate wars--bolstered by an idea that, what is done will safeguard western security.

The truth is that terrorism has been brought to battlefields on our streets, because of interference in foreign countries, The beneficiaries are international corporations, who see natural resources and consumer markets--even in Islamic countries, in which materialism and capitalism are anathema.

There are no excuses, which can convince "Christian" nations of the morality of these wars, but the chaos brought to these countries is merely to break their Islamic cohesion and open the world further to global piracy.
Re: Corporate Wars
[info]quicklan wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 11:20 am (UTC)
here here, as far as I can make out from various sources including Fisk own books, American foreign policy seems largely to be to seek out and maintain at all costs (lives included), American corporate and geopolitical interests throughout the world. Give as little as possible, grab what you can today and don't worry about tomorrow. It would almost seem like a policy of iminent global collapse the way they are grabbing left right and centre. It would also seem that they have a very serious agenda with regards to defining middle eastern borders and influences, seperating severing Russia, China and India (along with the latter two's growing economies) from access to oil and other ressources in the middle east. Maintaining controle over African ressources and shipping routes may also be key in the near future.
Re: Corporate Wars - [info]freedon4sale - Monday, 21 September 2009 at 06:37 pm (UTC) Expand
A suggestion
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 10:00 am (UTC)
Why aren't Afghan poppy growers converting to growing biofuels?
Re: A suggestion
[info]juve_girl wrote:
Monday, 21 September 2009 at 02:44 pm (UTC)
No government subsidies
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A Basic Truth
[info]drjinnah wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 11:27 am (UTC)

"The time has come to liberate yourselves from fear and the ideological terrorism of neoconservatives and the Israeli lobby."
So it is up to Bin Laden to express this core truth, that no leading Western politician has the guts to say.
NO JOKES HE IS EVERYWHERE HERE IS THE PROOF
[info]famulla wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 02:53 pm (UTC)
Tell me does any one care about yesterday?s paper ? It is like the loo flushed and that is it. But this one will irritate her as Hillary is very temperamental.
Astronaut urine spotted in skies above North America
I was telling you to ask Bush to sign the Kyoto Protocol. Now see what happens?
A glowing trail spotted in the night sky above North America was caused by a falling block of astronaut urine, Nasa has disclosed.
It is not unusual for shuttles to eject urine, but this batch was particularly large and visible because the crew had been unable to unload waste for the duration of their 10-day stay on the International Space Station.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6206742/Astronaut-urine-spotted-in-skies-above-North-America.html
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla

Re: NO JOKES HE IS EVERYWHERE HERE IS THE PROOF
[info]sw1paul wrote:
Monday, 21 September 2009 at 04:02 pm (UTC)
Another foolish post from the fool !!
Re: NO JOKES HE IS EVERYWHERE HERE IS THE PROOF - [info]famulla - Tuesday, 22 September 2009 at 09:45 am (UTC) Expand
Oozing with cynicism and defeatism
[info]achilles0200 wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 03:29 pm (UTC)
"How Osama must have chuckled as this preposterous announcement echoed around al-Qa'ida's dark cave."

Oh he must be Robert, he must! And how that image must warm the cockles of your heart!

I do believe you have a rather soft spot for this mass murderer.

But of course winning and losing is as much a matter of a battle fro minds and a will to succeed as much as anything else. You talk of the 'ferocoius' casualties sffered by the Nato forces but in comparison to past wars (including Vietnam which appears to be the preferred comparison) they are absolutely miniscule. I don't say that complacently or with disregard to the value of each human life lost but simply to introduce some sort of perspective into the debate.

And while commentators, such as you, are forever holding the West to account for its responsibility for the human suffering and permits you the freedom to condemn its actions (as it properly should) do you think for a moment that such feedom would be available to those who would come under the sway of the Taleban? Much better to pass over the behaviour of the Taleban in silence isn't it?

It's sad that you can hold the individual human rights of the Afghans to be of such little value that they they are not worth protecting. It hardly squares with the position that you take on the issue of Palestinian rights. They do seem to matter to you - perhaps you could explain the difference!?



fake democracy?what west do to the shamful BBC during war on GAZA?
[info]abcuk wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 03:41 pm (UTC)
"I do not believe we can build a democratic state in Afghanistan," announces Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat says."
fake democracy...!
we all know it very well,in USA,as we know it is Israel under-occupation.
The only Democray is in GAZA, when election chose hamas anddid not suit USA/Israel/west .
all the world put sanction of GAZA and kept eyes and ears closed when crimial war killed 1400 civilians,250 children,240 women,BBC did not do airing because they wanted to be impartial?
Shame on You BBC!
Re: fake democracy?what west do to the shamful BBC during war on GAZA?
[info]corporeal_v002 wrote:
Sunday, 20 September 2009 at 09:10 pm (UTC)

BBC is run by Zionists or Zionist influence. The BBC trust is ruled that the BBC should not participate in the Gaza appeal - guess who the chairman is - Michael Lyons - a zionist. How bizzare, how bizzare...
[info]abcuk wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 05:51 pm (UTC)












how many names that you have than:

Origins of 9/11
quicklan wrote:


libertarian09 wrote:

that is the way to mislead media!
it is an old story!


(no subject) - [info]abcuk - Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 07:17 pm (UTC)
Re: one is better than others !
[info]achilles0200 wrote:
Sunday, 20 September 2009 at 11:17 am (UTC)
achill0200 :"casualties sffered by the Nato force.....etc"
no worry about them "they are just Goyem",collateral damage accidental killed by preemptive strike done by NATO .


You clearly don't read what I wrote do you? I said this:

"You talk of the 'ferocious' casualties sffered by the Nato forces but in comparison to past wars (including Vietnam which appears to be the preferred comparison) they are absolutely miniscule. I don't say that complacently or with disregard to the value of each human life lost but simply to introduce some sort of perspective into the debate."

So it is clear that I do but as I said I wanted to introduce some perspective into the debate. Now where is YOUR concern for the Afghan casualties that are considerably higher. Aren't the Taleban to be held to account for the huge number of lives that they are squandering, eh?

Please, if you wish to have a debate on this issue at least deal squarely with the points that I raise and don't misrepresent me. And stop insinuating racial prejudice by the use of terms such as 'goyim'. Or perhaps it is reasonable to accuse you of racism as only 'kaffirs' appear to carry responsibility for the consequences of their actions!



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NO JOKES HE IS EVERYWHERE HERE IS THE PROOF
[info]famulla wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 10:43 pm (UTC)
Two old men, Abe and Sol, sit on a park bench feeding pigeons and talking about baseball. Abe turns to Sol and asks, "Do you think there's baseball in Heaven?"
Sol thinks about it for a minute and replies, "I dunno. But let's make a deal -- if I die first, I'll come back and tell you if there's baseball in Heaven, and if you die first, you do the same."
They shake on it and sadly, a few months later, poor Abe passes on. Soon afterward, Sol sits in the park feeding the pigeons by himself and hears a voice whisper, "Sol... Sol...."
Sol responds, "Abe! Is that you?"
"Yes it is, Sol," whispers Abe's ghost.
Sol, still amazed, asks, "So, is there baseball in Heaven?"
"Well," says Abe, "I've got good news and bad news."
"Gimme the good news first," says Sol.
Abe says, "Well, there is baseball in Heaven."
Sol says, "That's great! What news could be bad enough to ruin that?"
Abe sighs and whispers, "You're pitching on Friday."
The Public Tape from Osama YOU Are pitching Friday Which
I ask then I come back
In a span of four days, Obama will plunge into the politics of the United Nations and host a summit in Pittsburgh on the world's wobbling economy. The international stage is coming to him, and no one standing on it with him will have higher stakes.
Obama is under pressure to push along stalled Mideast peace, prove the United States is serious about climate change and rally allies against the nuclear threats of Iran and North Korea. Restless leaders in Europe and elsewhere are pressing Obama to reform risky U.S. financial behavior and get Congress on board.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla oops sorry wrong page the mouse you know

Afghanistan occupation and other frauds
[info]amvet wrote:
Sunday, 20 September 2009 at 11:25 am (UTC)
After the 9-11 attack done by Saudis and Pakistanis, we, naturally, occupied Afghanistan because our leaders concluded that they could not, at that time, sell an occupation of Iraq to the American public.

The official 9-11 story is of the same quality as a virgin birth story. It makes sense if you believe it.

For the 9-11 faithful and their controllers, the facts that the building that was damaged less and later collapsed first and that an undamaged building also collapsed are rantings of heretics. To the faithful, melting temperatures of metal, techniques of professional building destruction, and details of a building frame are not of interest. They know what they know.
Re: Afghanistan occupation and other frauds
[info]freedon4sale wrote:
Monday, 21 September 2009 at 08:17 pm (UTC)
freedom for sale :it was one of the reasons for the war in Afghanistan,to justify racist
prejudice on religion, 2nd was to control the sources of oil for ever,peak reached to top level,give Israel the upper hand in the M.E.
change the game law,by selling new rule :
-security laws
-no democracy
-create organized chaos;to change the system ;all over the place.
-no privacy.
- put police in M.E like Israel.
that explain why USA and Israel wanted stop Iran from Nuclear power.
-put new regime in S.Arabia is ready to make peace with Israel irrespective to the price to Palestinians;that is clearly shown in replacing King Abdullah with Bander ben sultan who was arested last month.and inherit Mubarak leadership to his son(JAMAL). replace Jordan to be for Palestinians,King Abdallah ben AL-hussein was upset.move Palestinians from 1948 +1967 to live Jordan.so Jewish stat dream fulfilled.any resistant in the Muslim world against such a "Peace with Israel"will be fought under the name of terrorism,Israel and West will help in that by training security police from each country(,Iraq,Palestine and Libya)(Pakistan-Afghanistan)that is why USA,west and Israel are working to gather,irony come when Police in Britain protest for training Libya who shot police women in London few years ago...!this is the democracy that USA,west and Israel wanted..!!the game is over..!
THIS IS THE REAL Hypocrisy in politics.
TruthSeeker
[info]urbadurbasnurba wrote:
Sunday, 20 September 2009 at 07:38 pm (UTC)
There is an Old Chinese Proverb: Never argue with a Fool - the Fool will always win. So it is with those who believe the Official Fiction of 911. You cannot convince them, they are either Disinformation Agents who know the Truth yet are VERY well paid to Ridicule it - or they are people who are too afraid to actually examine what we DO know. And we know very much MORE than enough to know that there was a MASSIVE COVERUP. Even if we do NOT know exactly every detail, we know there was a MASSIVE COVERUP. Just as we know there was a MASSIVE COVERUP of the JFK assassination and that the MAFIA, etc. could NOT have engineered the COVERUP. They could NOT have changed the Parade Route to facilitate an assassination. The ONLY ONES who could have Called Off the Fighter Interceptor Planes, who could have Ordered the metal rubble of 911 to be immediately sent to China to be melted down (Criminal Destruction of a Crime Scene), to ORDER the Gagging of those High Profile FBI employed WHISTLEBLOWERS, etc. who deperately WANT TO TELL WHAT THEY KNOW (which is EXTREMELY damning to very big people in the USA) are INSIDERS in the USA. The ONLY ones who had sufficient ACCESS to place the EXPLOSIVES which are now KNOWN to have been there, (up to 100 TONS of Super Nano-THERMITE Explosive) are INSIDERS....for Two WEEKS the Dogs were called off... Marvin BUSH (G.W.'s BROTHER) was with the company in charge of SECURITY for the World Trade Center. COME ON!!! Wake Up America - You are being PUNKED!!! They are LYING TO YOU, STEALING YOUR MONEY AND YOUR LIFE while you SLEEP!! Wake UP!!! Wake UP!! Wake UP!!! And NOW, they want you to Take an UNTESTED Vaccine for a LAB CREATED FLU!!! Will you be that STUPID? Time will tell. Call me silly, but I don't think you ARE that Stupid. To the Masters' GREATEST WORRY AND FEAR - I think many, if not MOST of you are Starting to WAKE UP!!!! There is NOTHING stronger than an IDEA whose TIME HAS COME!!! The Time for TRUTH is NOW!!! Seek it - Protect it - Serve it....
Re: TruthSeeker
[info]goatjuggler wrote:
Thursday, 24 September 2009 at 11:31 am (UTC)
Please, tin foil hat wearers everywhere, I'm begging you, MASTER THE PARAGRAPH!!!

Please?
Re: TruthSeeker - [info]freedon4sale - Friday, 25 September 2009 at 07:27 pm (UTC) Expand
Robert Fisk thinks we're mushrooms
[info]rabbit63 wrote:
Monday, 21 September 2009 at 05:19 am (UTC)
Robert Fisk, as always telling 95% of the truth, like few others dare, but its that 5% of falsehood, glaringly obvious as they always are, which has pretty much lost you credibility amongst those who mostly don't even need to fairer reporting you bring to the Middle East. Perhaps Afghanistan is too far out of your "territory" and maybe you don't read any other honest and fair reporting about that or anything else, but surely YOU cann't believe that "Obama has been socked into the heart of the Afghan darkness by ex-Bushie Robert Gates" Can you really be so unsophisticated, so uninformed that you truly believe that Obama, or indeed any 'selected' US president is a free agent and has his own agenda? Can you honestly believe yourself that Obama came inbto office as anything else but a candidate selected and groomed by the same power hungry, insatiably greedy psychopaths who have installed each of the US presidents since Johnson at least? Obama is and always was nothing more or less than a third Bush term, although Bush too was nothing but a sockpuppet. That is why NOTHING has changed, except for more of the same chasing after oil pipelines and trying to prop up the dying US dollar. Barky was NEVER going to do anything different, because he is ONLY doing the bidding of the Military Industrial complex which incidentally President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned against in 1961. Unsuccessfully as we can see.

When I see you tell it so well, then slip in some major Israeli propaganda lie, or innocently pretend that US elections have any meaning or that there is any difference in US foreign policy depending on who is in office, then we can only conslude that you are not to be trusted. Its OK too Robert, we have plenty of very articulate and honest and thorough "journalists" these days who have nothing to do with the long since prostituted trade you practice. Journalism is arising anew, having been slaughtered by corporatism and Zionism, it is refinding itself, because surprise surprise, you mainstream media types, couldn't ever OWN the concept of news reportage and commentary.

Other than that, as usual you get it 95% of the way there and if not for the blatant disinfo, you'd be right up there amongst the best journos the world has just now. Indeed MOST people tend to agree with Osama Bin Laden more and more these days. Never mind that he is dead and has been for years now, his words have turned out to be more moderate, more truthful and more reasonable and less extreme than anything the USA or Britain or the rest of this coalition of the killing gaggle of national disgraces have to put up./
Re: Robert Fisk thinks we're mushrooms
[info]freedon4sale wrote:
Friday, 25 September 2009 at 07:42 pm (UTC)
you may be right!
Fisk is a catholic,he can not accept the one who believe in Jesus as a prophet,even if he see
Hamas are right,but he as catholic has to disagree with hamas.
It's not Bin Laden
[info]earlofbrigand wrote:
Monday, 21 September 2009 at 09:28 am (UTC)
'No wonder Osama bin Laden decided to address "the American people" this week'

Bin Laden is probably dead. One only has to look at his face in the so called Al Qaeda videos to see that he is either capable of shapeshifting, or is in fact being played by multiple personas.

The question is therefore, what does bin Laden represent and to whom. Obviously, this Emmanuel Goldstein figure is invoked by many different parties, some of whom are on face value, on opposing sides of the ideological debate.

"How Osama must have chuckled as this preposterous announcement echoed around al-Qa'ida's dark cave"

Said in jest surely - but this mythical cave has been invoked twice in this article, and countless others on numerous occasions. Think about it...... it's all b*llsh*t!!!
two generations of flight:)
[info]usausausagigle wrote:
Monday, 21 September 2009 at 09:49 am (UTC)
I have two generations of aircraft engineers and machinist in my family.
both have worked for Boeing and Douglas aircraft factories.

so with that said take this into account why are air planes made of aluminum?

well because it's light and has a stiffness and flex ratio perfect for flight.

Why are Tanks made of steel? Because it is harder than aluminum and can take a hit with great force by fast traveling objects.

And just for the sake of this topic why are bunkers made from re-bar and concrete? because it's tough and can also take a impact from a fast moving projectile. Yes?

So in my common sense lobe in my brain if you take a soft aluminum air craft ( full of gas or not) and ram it into a Steel reinforced Concrete/ re bar building it should take a the hit with No problem.
This (9-11) thing is a product of the US Government in my educated opinion. I'm American so it sucks for me to say but thats what I believe and it's not going to change.
The United States has had the most corrupt government in world history since the late 40's and no matter how many well spoken black men you vote for this will not change until we are invaded or till this government has to deal with another revolution.

To all the Canadians! Thank you very much for taking care of my people during my Governments planned disaster:)
To all the people that think that this was a terrorist attack you are blinded and need help sorry but thats the facts.
Re: two generations of flight:)
[info]theykillsisters wrote:
Wednesday, 23 September 2009 at 11:04 pm (UTC)
Realy? And the name of those relatives? So, those planes that took of from JFK full of passengers were made of steal instead of aluminum?
line of deceit-war on terrosism is bogus.
[info]freedon4sale wrote:
Monday, 21 September 2009 at 09:57 am (UTC)
the project for the (PNAC),project for new American century plans hows Bush cabinet and who behind it intended to take military control of the gulf region whether or not bsaddam huseini was in power.it says "while the unresolved conflict with iraq provides the immediate justification the need for a scends the issue of the regime of saddam hussein.
"so call it war on terrirism".....many in the region will agree with this,suit them to organize "Israel peace" by forceing it on Arab Countries.
that was reported for guardian 2003 by micheal meacher under;this war on terrorism is bogus.
look from far to see the picture writ......
who make befit from this war?
who is collecting the cards?
Who wanted to control the M.E ?probaly the whole world?
war on freedom? or war on terrosim?
[info]freedon4sale wrote:
Monday, 21 September 2009 at 10:13 am (UTC)
nafeez mosaddeq ahmed collated shippers allegationjs in his seminal book on 9/11 ;the war on freedom.
according to shippers,those agents knew,months before the 9/11`attacks,names of hijckers,the targets,dates,sources of their funding,
This is losing war.
[info]dastu11 wrote:
Monday, 21 September 2009 at 03:12 pm (UTC)
By all means the Afghan war is not going to be won.It is cystal clear from the history of Afghanistan and Obama will understand that truth soon.It is going to be his Vietnam.
Re: NO JOKES HE IS EVERYWHERE HERE IS THE PROOF
[info]royb55 wrote:
Tuesday, 22 September 2009 at 07:49 am (UTC)
Fuzzy Moola is the only one of this lot that makes any sense.
Withdraw
[info]shoestring7 wrote:
Tuesday, 22 September 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)
Thanks Robert,

Let's leave the dreadful place to your old mate Bin Laden and his Taliban buddies. After all women really don't need educating, and who on earth wants to dance, fly kites or listen to music anyway? I'm sure the West's security forces can stop the products of those training camps, and if a few get through to inflict death and destruction on the general public it will be worth it to know you were right all along.

SS7
NO JOKES HE IS EVERYWHERE HERE IS THE PROOF
[info]famulla wrote:
Tuesday, 22 September 2009 at 09:58 am (UTC)
Two prostitutes were riding around town with a sign on top of their car that said: "TWO PROSTITUTES -- $50.00."
A policeman stopped them and told them they'd either have to remove the sign or go to jail.
just then, another car passed with a sign saying, "JESUS SAVES."
One of the girls asked the cop, "Why don't you stop them?"
"Well, that's a little different," the cop smiled. "Their sign pertains to religion."
The two ladies frowned as they took their sign down and drove off.
The following day the cop noticed the same two ladies driving around with a large sign on their car again. This time the sign read: "TWO ANGELS SEEKING PETER -- $50.00."
BOB The Italian had 6 coffins yesterday and thy want to lodge a complain to who I have to idea but they feel that they are victims to the international conspiracy. Any idea who is behind al these killings. It cannot be Osama as he is Africa teaching small boys and girls hoe to go heaven the shortest way and take few with the Whiskey Americas burgers and UK chips
Let me know how they want drop dead. I like this ends No Not that I a cruel I am bad.
"If you have knowledge, let others light their candles in it"
Re: NO JOKES HE IS EVERYWHERE HERE IS THE PROOF
royb55 wrote:
Tuesday, 22 September 2009 at 10:49 am (local)
Fuzzy Moola is the only one of this lot that makes any sense.
I am sending you one of those the blond Happy??If nit ask BOB
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Everyone seems to be agreeing with Bin Laden these days
[info]kevin1frm_us wrote:
Tuesday, 22 September 2009 at 05:44 pm (UTC)
Thank you Mr. Fisk. Your insight and comments are sincerely appreciated.

Kevin
Plans of yanoon in Israel.
[info]freedon4sale wrote:
Tuesday, 22 September 2009 at 08:25 pm (UTC)
this war is part of long standing plan for:disarming & dismembering to the Arab countries.using right wing of Israel as a hammer to let them accept what Israel wanted to give to Palestinians(non of people in M.E accept)that is why West and USA are training police in each country.

I think you are right:that started 30 years ago(With plan of Disarming & dismembering to those who may threat Israel security):
THEY were using the "war against Terrorism"
to put end for (freedom,privacy,new security law,interfering with other countries,give Israel the only police in the M.E ;and make chaos in the area to fight each others,after disarming them to keep Israel safe and keep small guns with neighborhood of Israel to dismember them.AS IN (Lebanon,Iraq,Sudan,Yemen;Palestine.....)
Re: Plans of yanoon in Israel.
[info]boeticia wrote:
Wednesday, 23 September 2009 at 04:42 am (UTC)
Following your thoughts, everything revolves around Israel, the omphalos, or the navel of the world.
Re: Plans of yanoon in Israel. - [info]freedon4sale - Wednesday, 23 September 2009 at 12:40 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Plans of yanoon in Israel. - [info]freedon4sale - Thursday, 24 September 2009 at 06:51 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Plans of yanoon in Israel. - [info]freedon4sale - Thursday, 24 September 2009 at 06:56 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Plans of yanoon in Israel. - [info]freedon4sale - Friday, 25 September 2009 at 05:58 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Plans of yanoon in Israel. - [info]theykillsisters - Wednesday, 23 September 2009 at 10:43 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Plans of yanoon in Israel. - [info]freedon4sale - Thursday, 24 September 2009 at 06:36 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Plans of yanoon in Israel. - [info]freedon4sale - Thursday, 24 September 2009 at 08:47 pm (UTC) Expand
Knowledge is power
[info]boeticia wrote:
Wednesday, 23 September 2009 at 04:31 am (UTC)
During the first Afghan war, the first thing the Talibans did was to target teachers all over the country.
They were against children being educated. To be a teacher in Afghanistan needs much courage because of the risk involved. . Seen in that background, the school building project in that country takes on a highly symbolic act of defiance as well...but expensive in terms of money, and in human lives.
Re: Knowledge is power?! or ruining the manners & values?
[info]freedon4sale wrote:
Wednesday, 23 September 2009 at 07:39 pm (UTC)
TO THose one who care about"Children Education"!
Dear reader and boeticia:
Are you telling me that (USA & west)care about Children education in the the world? especially in Muslim countries? they did not give a damn for them !
See the hypocracy when Israel and USA attacked schools in Gaza,encouraging the Pakistani military to close the school that will not follow their idiolgy.
International bankers do not pay a piny to the schools unless they teach sex to children at age 12!and no money to the government that refuses to delay age of marriage to above 19!to give better chance and time for the devil to work easily.
why is that?
early sex education,delay age of marriage,close school who teach ethics,behavior.do not give authority for parents,teachers,police and the law who keep moral,manners and respect to the values of the society & family ties in a conservative society in Muslim country!
knowledge by losing east value is not power; west now are trying to come back to ethics,manners and values ,and you want the east to try what west failed to keep?
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