Robert Fisk’s World: Some lessons in sacrifice from Liverpool in two world wars
Were we made of ‘sterner stuff’, as my Dad would have said, in those days
I used to read and re-read The Spire by William Golding – he of Lord of the Flies fame – awed by the corruption of the medieval church and stunned by the venality but determination of the bishop who insisted on building the highest spire in the land ever higher as a nail from the True Cross was wending its way in a baggage train from Rome.
Even when the architect warned the bishop that he was committing hubris by building God's mansion to such a height that its Gothic stones and arches were "singing" with the enormous and unprecedented weight, up went the cathedral spire, ever higher.
I was reminded of The Spire when I sat in Liverpool Cathedral last week, the first Anglican cathedral ever designed by a Catholic. Giles Gilbert Scott was the grandson of the man who built St Pancras, and Scott himself was the architect of Bankside power station – so no one had any excuse to be ignorant of what they were getting: technology and Gothic folly, Britain's largest cathedral with the highest and widest Gothic arches in the world, as Liverpool's Anglican Bishop James Jones reminded me. You could fit Nelson's column inside – provided you took off the admiral's hat.
Even if I would sometimes wish that bishops (Jones excepted, of course) would spend less time boasting of the size of their institutions and more time reflecting on the changing nature of their faith, you've got to be impressed. The whole edifice took 74 years to build, and they were still craning stones up to the heights as German bombs were bringing some of it crashing to the ground in the Second World War. Scott didn't live to see it but he was able to use modern building techniques to achieve what the technology of the 14th and 15th century couldn't do. Hence the width of the arches and the strength of their walls, adorned with Lutyens-like figures – who in some cases bore the faces of the 20th-century Liverpool stonemasons who actually built them.
A non-churchgoing Fisk, it has to be admitted, was being given an honorary doctor of letters from Liverpool Hope University – these honours are often given to long-serving foreign correspondents, more out of astonishment at their survival, I suspect, than their work – and was faced with a 10-minute mini-speech in the cathedral for the new graduates and their parents who included some of the finest burghers of a city whose wealth was originally supported by the slave trade. Dr Bob was introduced as "inevitably controversial" – "controversial", I long ago realised, was one of those code words applied to Middle East correspondents if they have been abused by Israel's so-called supporters abroad – so controversial I intended to be.
I said that we should not be in Afghanistan, that we Westerners now have 22 times as many military personnel in the Muslim world than the Crusaders had in the 12th century (the great age of real Gothic cathedrals, of course) and that the Muslim lands did not belong to us. Send them our doctors and our teachers and our agronomists – but not our soldiers. They should be brought home. This was the week in which we had all seen the heartbreaking grief which greeted the return of another eight Brits from Afghanistan.
And to my astonishment, the burghers and their families, students and their mums and dads – hitherto silent in expectation of a soft homily – began to clap, a great wash of sound that spread through the chapels and aisles of Scott's cathedral. This was due to no Fisk eloquence (nor did everyone applaud). But something had been touched off. That very morning, The Guardian had assured us that an opinion poll showed the great British public remained "firm" in its support for our campaign in Afghanistan. Well, I thought, as the clapping echoed through the nave, I wonder...
But unkinder ideas also crossed my mind. At the side of Liverpool Cathedral is a beautiful chapel dedicated to the dead of two world wars. British battle honours hang high above – I noticed "Chindits" sewn in gold on green (we shall let Wingate's bloody Middle East adventures pass without comment here) – and there is an alabaster panel showing Christ kneeling by the Sea of Galilee. But what struck me was the memorial to Liverpool's fatalities in the Hitler war, including the engineer to the Dean and Chapter, his wife and daughter.
In just one month – May of 1941 – Liverpudlians lost 1,453 men, women and children to Luftwaffe raids. In my cruel calculations, this means that our 185 dead in Afghanistan in eight years – from all over Britain – represent a mere seventh of what Liverpool alone suffered in one month of the Second World War. But the chapel archives also show that in the First World War, Liverpool lost 40,000 lives in the trenches and at sea – Liverpool alone, mark you – and the obscene exchange rate of losses thus demonstrates that for each of our total British losses in Afghanistan in eight years, 217 Liverpudlians (again, we're talking just Liverpool here) died in a war that lasted only half the length of the Afghan campaign.
Were we made of "sterner stuff" – as my Dad would have said – in those days? Churchill himself feared this in the 1940s, after Dunkirk and Greece and Crete and the fall of Tobruk. Have we all today come to expect war without death? Or is it that we accepted massive sacrifice when the enemy was, so to speak, "at the gates" – when the Germans wanted to destroy Europe in 1914 and 1939 – but cannot comprehend why our soldiers are dying, on however small a scale, in Afghanistan in 2009? It's the "why", not the "how many". Brits accept casualties, but not when the cause of those casualties is so vain – in both senses of the word when applied to the Blair/Brown governments.
That's what my Liverpool visit taught me. In a spiritual emporium, Brits showed that, even if their Government tried to convince them that Afghanistan was worth the bones of British grenadiers, they did not believe it. The Taliban are not on the Western Front or flying over Liverpool. In fact, the Taliban themselves have never bombed us – except in the land to which we have sent our soldiers. The clapping in Liverpool Cathedral last Wednesday had nothing to do with me. It had everything to do with a hopeless, lost military campaign in which we should never have become involved, whose casualties – yes, let's remember the thousands of Afghans here – are a mockery of the dead of two world wars.
And as the Catholic archbishop of Liverpool, Patrick Kelly, observed to me last week, most of the students receiving degrees in the cathedral were three years older than many of the soldiers who were dying in Afghanistan. That said it all.
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So let's disregard all the scare stories about how, if we left Afghanistan, we'd get bombs on our streets and Al qaida would roam the land. And our drug problem is all about our dysfunctional society, not the fault of Afghan farmers who grow poppies.
It's time to bring the troops home. Their job is to guard the gates, not massage the vanity of politicians.
Is that a piece of evidence-based research regarding sleeping pattens of those who disagree with Heir Fisk? However as I have only just got up I guess I cannot disagree, alas I we must be lazier per se, in my!!
(just a thought US anti-Fisk Brigade can sleep a lot easier than you pro-Fisk'ers!?!?)
"Wolfs want to keep dogs satisfied by bringing investment".
Violence..
It also astonished and heartened me that the poll revealed that most Brits are opposed to our occupation of Afghanistan in spite of the media's gung-ho support. Thankfully, we have the internet which is the only place people can read the truth and which is no doubt going to come under attack by the Ziocons who wish to remain the masters of discourse.
I'd just like to add that the Merchant Navy lost 2,476 ships and more than 35,000 sailors, many from Merseyside, during WW2. At least 400 Liverpool-registered ships, were lost during the war - more than a quarter of all British tonnage lost.
So NATO went in.
Britain is not the only country who has suffered losses in Afghanistan.
But I agree that it would be nice if other countries would take over.
NATO is supposed to be a collective defense organisation where it´s members vow to protect each other when attacked.
Certain countries are not carrying the weight they should carry.
There should be sanctions put on those countries which refuse to go along by excluding them from NATO all together.
Afghanistan is a key location for proposed oil and gas pipelines, if only the country can be stabilised sufficiently for the pipelines to be viable. That requires a compliant government in Kabul that actually controls most of Afghan territory. This is the main focus of the current war. The Taliban are merely one of the forces that stands in the way of achieving that compliant and stable government. It's highly unlikely, of course, that such stability could ever be achieved.
Fisk is quite right. We should get out of Afghanistan. The war, as usual, is being fought on a lie to the people of the western powers involved. And the stability that the western governments and oil companies seek is likely unachievable. Sadly, the UK government will probably find it less risky to keep pouring money into this mess and sacrificing our soldiers' lives for nothing. The Tories, if elected, will do the same thing (they would have done the same thing in Iraq too -- another futile war that they supported).
It was planed long time ago....as Israel planed invasion to Lebanon on 2006, and as Israel planed on Gaza operation 2008/09.
Do not be naive....!
some one like to keep war to sell weapon,distracting minds from what is happening in the country.
we learned from history in Iraq invasion by saying :- Saddam (45 minutes ...),giving democracy to Iraqi people....! and many good reasons......etc..?! what we have seen .... now..?!
In politics ;there are many nasty reasons behind a good reason...!
NATO/UN has been used by USA .
Israel is involved in it.Moussad were dancing ,Not a single Jew was killed,injured,all money were taken out from the accounts,sell all the investment for Jews,the steel was melted, the building collapsed
in the the way that not only Ben Laden did it. in Mofaz was not allowing the investigator to enter Airport ,when he was told that the world will say ;Israel is not Democratic,Mofaz reply, was let the world say that;better than the world say when see Jennin burns ;that Israel is involved in 11/9...!!!!Burns shows the similarity..!
9.11 Revealed challenging the facts behind the war on terror......!
"by Ian Henshall/Rowland Korgan,
ISBN 1-84529-140-9.
think not to be receiver only....!!
many people insult only themselves y saying that,we know them....!
since you do not know about 9/11attackers !s
start with simple book,do you read books ? or Google education ?
read about 9/11 called Revealed,challenging the facts behind the war on terror by :-
Ian Henshall and rowland Mogan....
readers will see if you can not see....jl3793..the goats are those who see what USA/Israel want them to see..!
Nolw we know:-
1-election have been won.
2-Laws have been passed
3-War have been fought because of "9/11.
It is time for us to decide whether this story is right or fabricated by FBI,Mousad..!
he fight Russia ?far way from Palestine.
Afghanistan is main enemy TO ISRAEL no the long run..!
WE know better ;if we know What Israel is planing for..!
Why /
Because ISRAEL did not ask USA to do so...
many independent jouralist reveal the important part of the official story.
We have just been told what to think of 9/11 significance. Remember "9/11 changed everything". Why? Why didn't 1st of July 1916 when almost 20,000 Britons and God knows how many Germans lost their lives "changed everything"? Or the 2004 tsunami in Indonesia with its horrendous loss of life.
There are many unanswered questions surrounding 9/11. Only the perpetrators know for sure. The only thing I am certain of is that we are not being told the truth
I long ago realised, was one of those code words applied to Middle East
correspondents if they have been abused by Israel's so-called supporters
abroad - so controversial I intended to be."
Yawn. The honorary doctor is not simply boring with his repetitive and
persistent sniping at Israel he is exhibiting signs of paranoia. For
someone who dishes out abuse he seems surprisingly sensitive to
receiving it. And as for 'controversial' how about being considered,
dispassionate and objective? Or does that not get a look in as
qualities that we do not require from a 'commentator'.
What is truly pathetic about Fisk (sorry is that abuse?) is that within
weeks he has turned his back on the tumultuous events and the wholesale
oppression that is taking place there so that he can go back to
indulging in Israel bashing which he works into nearly all his articles
on the flimsiest of associations with the topic in hand.
It's not controversial, it's puerile. Grow up 'Dr' Bob!
The word "pathetic" is best kept for those manipulated by the likes of Fisk. Out they obediently trot when Fisk calls with their silly, and faintly offensive, nonsensical mix of urban myths and paranoia. I'm sure some of them would look you in the eye and with a straight face tell you that Mossad ran Auschwitz as a fiendish plot to establish Zionist hegemony over the blessed Palestinians.