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Robert Fisk’s World: Tanks roll and guns fall silent, but the clichés go on for ever

Catholics are always ‘devout’, Protestants in Northern Ireland inevitably ‘staunch’

Clichés are poison. They seep into our language like defoliants, pesticides that reside in our imagination, slowly destroying our power to express ourselves by dehumanising language, by industrialising speech. Newspaper and television reporting are to blame. We are all guilty. So why do we insult you, reader? And why do you put up with this?

Some of this claptrap has been around for years. Catholics are always "devout", Protestants (the Northern Ireland version, at least) inevitably "staunch". Bitterly hostile antagonists are always "foes" or "arch-foes". New dictatorial laws – the new press laws in Iran, for example – are always "draconian" (poor old Draco), while secret policemen (the Gestapo, the Shah's Savak, the Afghan Khad, the Syrian mukhabarat, the present-day Iranian Etelaat) are always "dreaded". Needless to say, the Israeli secret police – who also torture and murder – tend to be "elite" or (my favourite) "second to none". The point about all these words, of course, is that we do not use them in conversation. We never ask a Catholic if they are "devout" or describe a vexatious next-door neighbour as an "arch-foe". If we are discussing the Syrian secret service, nobody says: "Yes, they're fairly dreaded, aren't they?" We just don't talk like that.

Alas, we have been given a new set of tranquillisers to use on our fellow human beings. Unable to ask our friends if they are religious – a gross infringement of our privacy, of course – we ask them if they are "faith-based". "NO, BY CHRIST!" is my reply.

Our relationship with our neighbour may now contain a lot of "negativity" or "negative energy". If we get on well with our neighbours – or business partners or family – then there's a lot of "synergy" in the air.

I notice that most Muslims are now described by us reporters as "practising", though I'm still not sure what that means. That the men go to the mosque five times a day? Or say their five daily prayers at home? That their wives wear hijab? Or, mini-skirted, just believe in God? Or are they preparing to be suicide bombers? Note how we never refer to "practising" Christians – probably because there aren't many left. Christians, I mean. No, a "practising" Muslim is also a code word for "terrorist" – just as the accusation of being "pro-Palestinian" means that the accused is actually a supporter of terrorism. Likewise "pro-Israeli" has become a synonym for "Zionist" or "anti-Arab".

The same goes for less sinful clichés. In real life, do we really call borders "porous" – even when, like the Durand line which divides Afghanistan from present-day Pakistan, few of the people living on the frontier believe it's real? In ordinary conversation, do ever refer to "iconic" or "defining moments", even though speech-writers like to sprinkle them around the lexicon of third-rate politicians? Indeed, politics provides some of our most woeful clichés. Presidents and prime ministers like to demonstrate "soft power" – a descendant of the old "hitting above our weight" – when they are not on the "campaign trail". I have a special "AAAAAGH" for "campaign trail". It was presumably coined in the United States (the "trail" being a giveaway) but it now applies to any election anywhere on earth. MPs or US senators or French presidents are always "fighting for their political life", their arguments often "compelling". Which means what, exactly? Every newly inaugurated American president since Truman, it appears, has "hit the ground running".

Last week, in a self-regarding address which I had the misfortune to attend, our dear Lord Chancellor and Justice Minister, Jack Straw, invented an entirely new word: "justicability". His audience of Australian lawyers was as bemused as I was by such claptrap. Is the political descendant of Sir Thomas More – he of Utopia and a head loss to Henry VIII – trying to persuade us he's an intellectual?

Sometimes, clichés turn into real speech. How many times have we heard UN officials, business leaders and US generals – always keeping an "anxious eye" on "seemingly intractable" problems – tell us that "time is of the essence"? When Middle East leaders – either "hawks" or "doves" or "moderates" or "conservatives" – speak, their words often escape "under the radar" of us Westerners.

I won't go into "war-torn" – yes, Afghanistan, it's pretty war-torn right now, isn't it, we might say to a friend – or "embattled", but some clichés are like glue. Not long ago, I wanted to write about a South-west Asian country that was so shattered by war and corruption that it was no longer economically viable. I knew the old cliché: "poverty-stricken". But I wanted to express myself clearer, so I wrote that the country was – quite literally – "poverty-broken". But of course, a sub-editor changed it back to "poverty-stricken". He wanted to keep within the cliché code. Poverty-broken was offensive because it did not fit into the dictionary of clichés, that essential volume – it is in our brains, not in our libraries – that is supposed to safeguard all journalism from unorthodoxy.

I love new clichés, however, albeit for only a few days. One of Italian prime minister Berlusconi's latest women is now described by journalists, I notice, as a "high-end prostitute". Who dreamed up 'high-end'? Her pimp, I suspect. It means, presumably, that she's very expensive and thus available only to men with money and power. And be sure that we shall never – ever – refer to "low-end prostitutes", a phrase that would dehumanise "sex workers". But wait – the cliché has already begun to sink into our subconscious. A reader of Canada's National Post, writing a letter to the editor, last week described the newspaper as a "high-end publication" – which, I suppose, tells you a lot about the paper.

So do we just sit back and roll about in this shitty language? After all, it's not "rocket science", is it? Tanks may "roll" but the guns will always "fall silent". Now back to Canada for a moment. In New Brunswick, it seems, parents are not amused with the new French "immersion" course offered their children in local schools. Apparently, they are not actually taught the French language any more, merely told about France while, occasionally, an anglophone teacher drops by the classroom to sing a French song to the kids. "Experiential modules" is what their teachers call these courses. Modules indeed.

Justicability I suppose. And as his Liege Lord Henry would have said of Jack Straw and his friends: "Off with their heads."

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Total rambling nonsense
[info]joeny wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 02:52 am (UTC)
Another rubbish article by a rubbish journalist. For example:
" a "practising" Muslim is also a code word for "terrorist" "
Never heard that before.

According to Fisk, a common cliche for the "Israeli secret police" is
"second to none". It just isn't so - 119 hits on Google for both
phrases on the same page, and almost none actually link the two phrases.
Does Fisk he make this stuff up??

I can't imagine any other journalist getting such total rubbish published.
Re: Total rambling nonsense
[info]holysaints wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 06:00 pm (UTC)
google is the God book..!
Re: Total rambling nonsense - [info]goatbucket - Tuesday, 7 July 2009 at 01:22 pm (UTC) Expand
it doesn't take a science rocket
[info]mortacredit wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 04:15 am (UTC)
Thank you again, Mr. Fisk.

It is always a relief to read your ideas on language. I'm reminded of Jacques Ellul - we are witnessing the "humiliation of the word". It is my belief that "we" the readers, consumers, tv watchers become traumatised over the mutated, stagnating dross of 'plastic words'. We watch our language, our thought process and intellectual capabilities dwindle, and quietly resent it. Yet do nothing. We even perpetuate it. How many more times can managers stress a 'proactive work environment'? Or, indeed, a 'synergy' between human resources and strategic planning? Why would any warm body with thought appropriate this language? Why would the day workers take this home with them, 'negotiating' an 'effective' 'interface' Friday night with family?

Your article references the lifeless 'news' microlangue - we speak with the referent removed. 'Continued' 'heavy fighting' in 'war torn,' etc. Do we need to create this mental distance for familiarity? So that the present fits the chalky, schoolroom past? Is this how we sleep at night as really smart people ('experts') who master their understanding of world events?

What I find intriguing are the garbled cliches, the hybridized fruits that come from young speakers and non-native speakers. Backflips such as "it doesn't take a science rocket", or even Bush II channeling Paul Eluard with "where wings take dream". H.L. Mencken's analysis of the second-worst Presidential speaker captures our collective feelings best: "it reminds me of stale bean soup, of college yells, of dogs barking idiotically through endless nights"

Such is our modern life. A culture of children parroting the shell of wisdom.
Why? Its all for us so we can burn witches of course
[info]freedommonger wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 05:38 am (UTC)
The media does it Robert because the public want to righteously indignant. About what and who doesnt really matter, but usually we prefer our witches to be people we feel we can envy or at least our victims to be ones we can empathise with at a deep human level from our western luxury and security. And what people want is what sells.

But people who think and do not deny things that dont "fit" have noticed recently.

I believe that Iraq has been a turning point. So many lies that were the narrative for so much death have been shown beyond doubt to be so much ignorant and shallow cliche. No, the 13,000 billion a year gdp USA did not plan to spend 200 billion (actually spent 1,000 billion+) to steal Iraqi oil worth in total 70 billion a year. No, the USA does not need or want to colonise like say most Europeans did.

Its a good effort Robert, you seem to have recently started out on an intellectual journey, to the horror of your erstwhile followers. Your followers need a way to stop buring witches without admitting they have been doing just that. Still, if anyone can square the circle between the cliches of the past and reality that decent people address, its you. Keep writing (why not join a pilgrim in Tehran on his/her way to Najaf?)

Festina lente and bon chance!
Re: Why? Its all for us so we can burn witches of course
[info]goatbucket wrote:
Tuesday, 7 July 2009 at 03:24 pm (UTC)
I recently read a Bruce Anderson article that suggested that for many U.S. policymakers the reason for overthrowing Saddam Hussein was actually what you had stated - bringing freedom to millions in order to improve the global situation. And yet, in doing so, they so utterly failed to understand what was required to make the state viable after destroying it. Thus leading to the chaos and death that has plagued Iraq for the last six years.

Anderson makes the point far better than you. I found some of his words convincing. You might want to bear that in mind, instead of complaining about "witches" and reeling off your ridiculous invective.

However, it's more terrifying than the idea that the U.S. went to war for its own strategic self-interest. Not the idea of freedom, which has its virtues, but in an execution so inept that it it beggars belief. After all those years of being ruled by Saddam Hussein, having destroyed much of the nation's infrastructure, they magically expect these people to just become happy democrats, despite the shattering of their lives? Ignoring the huge cultural differences, expecting them to settle down after good ol' Uncle Sam has delivered them from their ordeal, not to mention the fact that they might be a little unhappy with the deaths of so many of their people, the lack of food, clean water, electricity, etc.

It seems that some of these people not only believed in the U.S. revolutionary ideal, but actually thought that they could export it to people from an entirely different background and circumstance, immediately overcoming any bitterness they might feel at the emasculation of their nation by the U.S. in order to get a warm, fuzzy feeling about being able to vote for a guy they didn't trust every four years or so.

It's completely nuts. How dumb do you have to be to make such decisions over other people? And you seem to worship these morons!

However, on balance, I'll still stick with the strategic self-interest motivation for many of the people in charge. It just seems a lot more plausible. That Obama may have changed things is a matter for the future.

By the way, anything to say about the coup in Honduras?
torture is illegal in israel
[info]laserdent wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 07:26 am (UTC)
Torture is illegal in Israel althought the defination of torture can be debated the interrogation actions allowed are defined in teh law.

Hard as it may be for some to believe .

The law against torture was passed several years ago in the knesset , and any abberations should be named,dated and placed for both moral and practicle reasons.

The supreme court has the power to enforce the law even to the level of presedent(ticking bomb suspects are not tortured but more intense limited interrogations can be given court approval after the evidence is proven)
Re: torture is illegal in israel
[info]holysaints wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 07:24 pm (UTC)
ha..ha.ha..
nice joke.
Re: torture is illegal in israel - [info]obsessedmind - Thursday, 9 July 2009 at 04:04 am (UTC) Expand
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Re: torture is illegal in israel - [info]laserdent - Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 01:32 pm (UTC) Expand
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Re: torture is illegal in israel - [info]laserdent - Thursday, 23 July 2009 at 04:17 pm (UTC) Expand
Israel in Immune..
[info]holysaints wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 02:07 pm (UTC)
short time ago Israel stopped the Ambassador of Frace in "Israel" for 17 hrs ,not single protest from France,the journalist were asked to keep quit.
Another incident to french diplomacy asked to lie down on the ground in "Israel"....nothing happened from France government or journalist ?
"all people are equal but some people are more equal that others.
Israel is immune...Why..? Sarkosi keep silent...?
Re: Israel in Immune..
[info]obsessedmind wrote:
Thursday, 9 July 2009 at 04:22 am (UTC)
Don't know about this silly story of french ambassador being "stopped" in Israel, but about some being more equal than others: Maybe you can explain why Israel's defensive war against next-door Gaza muslim jihadist terrorists is always mentioned in this newspaper and British war agains far away Iraq and Afghanistan is less mentioned, in spite of 1,400 people having been killed in Gaza and 500,000 were killed by Britain (and other coalition forces) so far?
Re: Israel in Immune.. - [info]goatbucket - Thursday, 9 July 2009 at 02:51 pm (UTC) Expand
Re:Obama said the world shuold not be Jungel..!?. - [info]high5pirit - Friday, 10 July 2009 at 10:07 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Israel in Immune.. - [info]high5pirit - Friday, 10 July 2009 at 08:19 pm (UTC) Expand
Fisk on cliches
[info]rainforest18 wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 04:10 pm (UTC)
No, not total rambling nonsense, but a timely reminder of the poverty of the language which passes for media discourse these days. Two others I'd add to the list: kick-start (career, campaign, economy, etc., etc.) and deliver (more or less anything, from a pizza to a policy). Oh, and a third, that refugee from postmodernism: narrative.

As to terms like 'peace process' involving a process: well, of course. But the term itself has become largely denuded of meaning, like all cliches, since it tends to refer neither to peace nor to process, but to some self deluded stitch up intended to fool the by-standing world into believing that Something Is Being Done.

Fisk may have got some of the details wrong, but the general gist of his article is to the point. No doubt somewhere, there's some serious linguistic analysis of contemporary media discourse which will rely on more than Google searches to identify the co-occurrence of key words.
Re: Total rambling nonsense
[info]joeny wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 06:16 pm (UTC)
Fisk simply invented several non-existent clicjhes, such as:

" a "practising" Muslim is also a code word for "terrorist" " No it isn't

"second to none" to desribe the "Israeli secret police" Virtually never used

And as for most of the other cliches he cited .... BORING !
Who really cares that tanks "roll" rather than move or drive?
Does he actually get paid for this awful writing?

I note that Fisk makes only a fleeting reference to Iran - maybe he's been told the revolution is over and he's not to talk about it anymore? The reality is that the regime is now threatening Moussavi with arrest and execution.






Re: Total rambling nonsense
[info]achilles0200 wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 06:57 pm (UTC)
My hunch is that while they might put Mousavi on trial they won't execute him because of the international outcry (which believe it or not still counts for something). I syuspect if they do execute anyone it will the smaller fry 'pour encourager les autres'. Better still just lock them up and torture them.
Re: Total rambling nonsense - [info]natew123 - Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 06:59 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Total rambling nonsense - [info]achilles0200 - Monday, 6 July 2009 at 05:41 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Total rambling nonsense - [info]goatbucket - Tuesday, 7 July 2009 at 01:24 pm (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]holysaints - Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 07:13 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]ganef - Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 09:16 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: you ganef need to find out about Zionism.. - [info]path1 - Saturday, 8 August 2009 at 08:26 pm (UTC) Expand
One's Own Petard
[info]pixaholic wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 08:25 pm (UTC)
All right, I agree in the main. But "third-rate politicians"? And I think it's bit rough to take on religious practitioners or not as a dubious attribute. Statistically I'm a confirmed member of the C of E, but as a non-practitioner can't be counted on to have any idea what the Archbishop said last week. I think this is a fair political distinction. Think of all those non-practicing Soviet Jewish emigrants to Israel, for more relevant example.
Iran's been here before.
[info]fredscribe1 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:58 pm (UTC)
Is it mad, bad, unfair, paranoid even, to consider that what's happening in Iran right now has all the hallmarks of spooky Western folk interfering, as is their wont, in another nation's affairs?
New Brunswick?
[info]jl3793 wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 03:50 am (UTC)
As a Canadian I was naively amazed when I read about the new French 'immersion" courses in my local newspaper. But to have Fisk know about this - now I am amazed! We all know that kids still won't learn French that way even if they live in NB which is our only officially bilingual province. The way for kids to learn French is to get a French girlfriend or boyfriend and spend hours alone discussing what ever young people discuss when they are alone. I want to see that encouraged, but I have some lingering doubts (never just doubts, but always lingering doubts) that the local school board won't exactly approve - nor will the parents ("mom we're just going up to my room to study..."), even if success is 100% guaranteed . And as a last aside, when Fisk refers to the National Post - what he is referring to is the National Jewish Post. It doesn't publish on Mondays during the summer and isn't worth reading on any of the other days unless you are a card carrying Zionist or want to be continually amazed as was Fisk.
Re: New Brunswick?
[info]ganef wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 05:12 am (UTC)
"Fisk refers to the National Post - what he is referring to is the National Jewish Post."

If you are a Canadian, why don't you know about the National Post?
http://www.nationalpost.com/

The owners have 14 papers across the country. Nothing Jewish about it.
Re: New Brunswick? - [info]goatbucket - Tuesday, 7 July 2009 at 01:21 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: New Brunswick? - [info]obsessedmind - Thursday, 9 July 2009 at 04:08 am (UTC) Expand
Re: New Brunswick? - [info]goatbucket - Thursday, 9 July 2009 at 02:52 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: New Brunswick? - [info]amenaman - Wednesday, 15 July 2009 at 07:06 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: New Brunswick? - [info]amenaman - Monday, 13 July 2009 at 02:56 pm (UTC) Expand
Israel is immune
[info]kopiago wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 10:57 am (UTC)
At least six british citzens kidnapped in international waters of the coast of Gaza last thursday and not
a mention of this outrage at all from the Brit Government or any redeemable news space. What a surprise.
Re: Israel is immune
[info]ganef wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 02:58 pm (UTC)
It was reported in the Daily Telegraph. British people are advised by the government not to travel to Gaza, including its waters.

Please explain what your posting has to do with cliches.
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Re: Israel is immune - [info]high5pirit - Sunday, 12 July 2009 at 07:54 pm (UTC) Expand
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Re: Israel is immune - [info]gaolhouse - Monday, 6 July 2009 at 10:20 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Israel is immune - [info]goatbucket - Tuesday, 7 July 2009 at 01:15 pm (UTC) Expand
In polictics; each reason has another one behind... - [info]high5pirit - Tuesday, 7 July 2009 at 06:44 pm (UTC) Expand
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Re: Israel is immune.....and racist..! - [info]amenaman - Monday, 13 July 2009 at 03:32 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Israel is immune.....and racist..! - [info]amenaman - Monday, 13 July 2009 at 04:52 pm (UTC) Expand
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[info]dnmurphy wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 02:22 pm (UTC)
I agree with the sentiment but not the way he tries to support it (eg as pointed out by joeny below). Orwell wrote a better essay on the same subject in the 1930s.

I did have the amusing experience of listening to a woman order cheese in a local deli. She wanted a local cheese 'with big flavours happening'. I had heard Chefies use it but didn't think real people did. I did think of asking for some cheese with smaller flavours happening but wasn't sure whether that would be a popular request.....
Fatwah to Fisk
[info]obsessedmind wrote:
Thursday, 9 July 2009 at 04:41 am (UTC)
Mr. Fisk is an "independent" journalist based in the arab world, where there is no freedom of press and no democracy. He must please his masters by demonizing Israel. I would like to see him criticize Hezbolah, Hamas, the dictator of Syria, etc. "Jihad!", "Fatwah!", car bomb, beheading, etc. Fisk is a joke.
Re: Fatwah to Fisk
[info]goatbucket wrote:
Thursday, 9 July 2009 at 03:14 pm (UTC)
Try reading some of his work then. There you will find it.
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Re: Fatwah to Fisk - [info]high5pirit - Friday, 10 July 2009 at 08:35 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Fatwah to Fisk - [info]amenaman - Monday, 13 July 2009 at 09:26 am (UTC) Expand
Facts about palestine...!
[info]high5pirit wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 08:11 am (UTC)
in a report in 2005,the US Government concluded that there were now more Arab palestinians in Israel and occupied territories of the Werst bank and Gaza than Israel Jews.The palestinian population numbers 5.3 million and the Israeli jews numbers 5.2 million.thus Israel is now officially an apartheid state...!
Re: Israel is immune
[info]high5pirit wrote:
Thursday, 9 July 2009 at 04:55 pm (UTC)
There is no need to compare the Palestinian fighters with the enemy who had taken and stolen their lands. You cannot ever compare a thief with the land owner. The whole world had seen the Rabbi urging and encouraging the soldiers to kill any one even children that was a big scandal for Israel and it's savagery... I still remember the most famous winner cartoon in USA that shows two children one is Israeli stuffed with guns, bombs and Israel flag and the other boy is Palestinian with his torn clothes, wounded arm holding the Palestinian flag; the Israeli boy is pointing at him telling him: my father told me that you Palestinians are terrorists and killers. The Palestinian boy answered: Well, my father told me nothing because yours killed mine.. I think this is a very clear image reflecting the fact in Palestine...
g.Orwell feel sick if he is alive ?
[info]high5pirit wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 10:44 am (UTC)
on 28/1/09 on Hari johann about:Why should i respect the religion?,he didn't agree to UN restriction on free speech ?
see why in 4/7/09 independent deleted holysaint post about fisk "cliche".
Jack straw,goldsmith,cromwell,Zionist.
while the one Hari wrote was more "hate spreading "while Zionist attacking Gaza,Hari directly encourage to kill more from Gaza people.no one took it out as independent did to Holysaint?!.
G.Orwell who Hari carried his prize will be sick if he knows this:
"all people are equal,but some people are more equal than others"
more over:the following who were more offensive to Holysaints/Muslims/Islam,were kept! their membership...!!
1-ganef
2-exco-ceo
3-virginea
4-joeny
5-obsessionmind...at the rest.
these are some names of those who complained and still writing ,though they were more offensive than others.we all see people sending photos about similarly of Zionist and Nazism.......Why Dear fisk??????!!
Re: g.Orwell feel sick if he is alive ?
[info]amenaman wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 09:14 am (UTC)
highspirit you forget indino(fiskdisgraceful).
to joeny with ..
[info]high5pirit wrote:
Friday, 10 July 2009 at 08:17 pm (UTC)
you can not see..!
Israel is the only occupation in the world that took 60 years....!
Jesus only make the blinds to see..!
the big question..
[info]amenaman wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 09:10 am (UTC)
Dear Fisk:
Did you see in your Artical4/7/09 any one who was more equal than others?
Yes !
All of us seen it.!
Do you know who is he ?
???????????????????
The one who finance the country nowadays..
question..?
money talk....!
israel doen't care...! see the crimes of Apartheid...!
[info]amenaman wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 03:22 pm (UTC)
Re:Obama said the world should not be Jungle..!?.

still Israel have a window to kill more;idiot obsessedmind.
that is why Israel was involved in 11/9,it cover and distract the Zionist crimes in Palestine...!and justify its crimes,thought Palestinian did not occupy USA/West?
80% OF UN are jewish,pure jewish..what we expect?A major violation of the wall is the west bank that amounts to effective annexation of occupied land(United nations charter,art.2.4);that is the maximum to get from.
The destruction of Palestinian land and building to accommodate the wall has amounted to numerous more violations of the fourth Geneva convention.
see more 1979.under article 1 of the international convention on the suppression and "Punishment of the crime of Apartheid",it is words not deeds..!that is also Israel doesn't listen to UN.is it a jungle law ?
To be fair, I expostulate robustly when reading claptrap.......
[info]rhysjaggar wrote:
Monday, 13 July 2009 at 09:16 pm (UTC)
It is of course perhaps the aim of certain peculiar journalists to see what writhing written arrows they can elicit by writing a LOFB, which I am happy to share with you was the output, if not the aim, of one of your colleagues earlier this week. I think I included the words 'dorkhead', 'dunderhead' and 'tosser' in my epithet. To be fair to him, he did not suppress it........

One does not usually know what the ulterior reasons for an article are: perhaps crudely commercial, perhaps a legal need for 'balance'? It is somewhat ironic, though, to read articles espousing diametrically opposed positions in the same organ within the same calendar week........at least we are seeing both sides of the argument I guess........although 'runaway climate change' and 'dangerously rising sea levels' do tend to see me in paroxysms of 'for f***'s sake, we've filleted this argument 100 times already, if you were a bloke asking a girl out, the coppers would have arrested you for molestation weeks ago!' I genuinely wonder about the merits of living in the challenging environs of Beirut if it would free me of all that AGW nonsense being spouted - spout me Genesis and I'd be more motivated to plant a tree and recycle compost, for God's sake........and to portray me as a practicing Christian would be to cast yourself as somewhere close to 'off with the fairies'.......

I must admit that it is not a lifelong ambition to see the original edition of the Dead Sea Scrolls......it's the evidence of history, but not its message.......would you prefer to see the peaceful Belfast or hear the words of Rev Ian Paisley in 1997??

In fact, it would probably be a higher aim to meet a 'high-end-prostitute', who I think are termed 'escorts' in the UK.........I'm not sure I could fly them to Sardinia, but apparently London is good enough for most of them........

Perhaps you saw the story about the enterprising young New Zealander, who has set up as an escort manager to fund his training for the Olympics in 2012? He thought his parents had subbed him enough and his mother, after casting a beady eye o'er his 'talent' collection, pronounced herself satisfied and supporting. The Olympic Committee is apparently showing somewhat more sniffy tendencies........one wonders whether the NZ NOTW will be watching carefully for signs of hypocrisy?
Re: To be fair, I expostulate robustly when reading claptrap.......
[info]amenaman wrote:
Wednesday, 15 July 2009 at 06:38 pm (UTC)
HI friends : read this and remember that one day the fact about the True Bible will come crystal clear despite of Israel hiding/twisting the scrolls of the dead sea;few added facts i like to say :- :(Google will not say for obvious reason).
1-not every thing in the bible is in the scrolls,many more original facts of the scrolls are hidden in Israel/Rome; Chief Rabbi urged Israel to arrest Pope in his last visit to Israel til he releases the documents (true bible).
2-The true bible (rest of the scrolls that fisk did not see ;are the most important that proves that Jesus was not on the cross or saying that he is the God or even the son of God).
3-that was known to the Jewish leader Yigael Yadin who got the all the scrolls when he hit it with radio active "C" to see its timing at Jesus despicable.

4-Scrolls were taken from Khalil shahin to London to sell it to a christian,but the Israeli bought it in London though Israel agent; without knowing the true agent was Jewish. taken to Israel to use it against the pope to blackmail him.....! that is why all popes apologized to Jews.and will abuse them.
:why pope did not go to Al-AQSA mosque...?
Pope did not like Jews to upset , as turkey will be upset from Canada..as Fisk says..!
right wing /religious leaders in Israel ask Israel to arrest the pope til they get the document from him..!
If Pope allow Israel to build the temple in the Al-Aqsa Mosque.will betray Jesus who said never build the temple again...!
Gaza operation victims and Baha all are Israel security forces.!
[info]amenaman wrote:
Wednesday, 15 July 2009 at 09:15 pm (UTC)
Charles De Menezes, remember him?

When recalling the case of this innocent Brazilian man who was shot dead at point-blank range in London in 2007, few remember that the disregard for public safety, the disproportionate use of force and the disinformation that flowed in the immediate aftermath of the incident were all influenced by the policies formed in the psychotic minds of that same machine - in the minds of the defenders of Israel. "Operation Kratos" adopted by the British Metropolitan Police was imported from Israel (and Sri Lanka, whose security forces are also students of the Israelis).
to whom and why Police is corrupted .......?
[info]amenaman wrote:
Wednesday, 15 July 2009 at 09:32 pm (UTC)
fisk is right:
Gaza victims,Baha,Marwa,and the famous Braziliam victim all are "ISF"..."IDF"as well in the world.
Charles De Menezes, remember him?

When recalling the case of this innocent Brazilian man who was shot dead at point-blank range in London in 2007, few remember that the disregard for public safety, the disproportionate use of force and the disinformation that flowed in the immediate aftermath of the incident were all influenced by the policies formed in the psychotic minds of that same machine - in the minds of the defenders of Israel. "Operation Kratos" adopted by the British Metropolitan Police was imported from Israel (and Sri Lanka, whose security forces are also students of the Israelis).
phone call in Gaza ....to save civilians..?
[info]amenaman wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 07:35 pm (UTC)
"PHONECALLS AND CEASEFIRES DURING SET HOURS FOR RELIEF OF CIVILIANS TRAPPED" after massive raids that killed 100 in one go,they give 2-3 hrs to take civilians to grave or if they were lucky to hospital under siege;half dead from irreversible shock..?Acute shock lunge syndrome known as(RDS) "ASLD" .Raid also attacked Ambulance,ODP,Nurses even friend of me were killed while saving children under rabble,with electric power shortage; I have been there myself trying to save civilians from illegal Phosphorous bombs,that make burns like in 11/9 that is a prove that Israel involved in 11/9 without Bin laden knowladge,that is the most Barbaric AND Sadistic way of psychotic leaders of Israel. You say WAR...?you must be joking..
Israel army could not call it war...!
WAR is between Army and Army...!
That is why "Israel" call it Operation against Gaza?
It is not a Joke..!
Operation ?
without surgeon ?
without Anesthetist ? without drugs,blood,except blood shied..and crazy psychotic Zionist minds,who are willing to win the election..!at what cost..?
In Gaza 1.5 millions 75 % have no food and drink,would the people have mobile like you ?
There is no a safe place in Gaza ,as UN said when "Israel" attacked school of UNRWA,Pilot got Sophisticated microscope,that can see the car plate number ? can not they see that it was a School for UN?
No resistant in the school said UNRWA...? It is a criminal operation against civilians as the Israeli soldiers said.
Also in Cinema
[info]juve_girl wrote:
Monday, 17 August 2009 at 06:36 pm (UTC)
If you reach for a classic ("An Affair to Remember" comes to mind) and compare it to any current film of a similar genre, two things will be evident:

(1) the acting and the special effects have improved a great deal; and
(2) the character development and storyline have declined a great deal.

We are now expected to already understand who each character is, what their drives are and what they may do in a given situation before the movie even really begins. Back in the classics though, they introduced you to the charcters slowly as the plot built up and you were left with complex and interesting individuals. I presume this was cut in favour of more nude scenes in films.

Regarding language specifically, there is always some change and development over time, and words come to mean different things to different generations; we must all adapt. But at the same time, if my boss asks if I can synch up with him for lunch one more time, I might have to advise him that my interface is not compatible to that subset.

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